Yeah, well, I think the question in the title of this thread has been answered: Definitely not. Use them while you actually know what you get.
:rolleyes:
I haven't been around for the dil conversion, but I'm starting to get the idea...
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
And where are the Conversion Rates? No numbers released... per usual, from Cryptic. We never got the numbers for the Dilithium Conversion pre-F2P.
The conversion crate will be implemented on TRIBBLE prior to S7 launch so that every character can log in and see exactly how much their existing items converted to.
The conversion crate will be implemented on TRIBBLE prior to S7 launch so that every character can log in and see exactly how much their existing items converted to.
How long are we going to have to make the decision/examine what's going to happen? Several days at least, I hope?
The conversion crate will be implemented on TRIBBLE prior to S7 launch so that every character can log in and see exactly how much their existing items converted to.
I applaud you for keeping posting while deep into enemy territory.
Well, let's hope this "crate" really works on Tribble before Holodeck gets the nerf.
Still doesn't solve how wrong the Omega fleet reputation system is (as it is presented currently).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
The dev blog wasn't really specific enough for me to make an informed decision.
The question is: Do I save my salvage and tech, or convert it to dilithium now.
We're told that salvage and tech will be useful after we reach reputation level 5, but we don't know
1.) How long does it actually take to reach reputation level 5
2.) How much our tech and salvage will actually progress toward new gear
3.) How common the new Marks will be
^ This is the "Future" value from keeping tech and salvage
3.) How much dilithium will we be earning in season 7 in general
4.) How critical dilithium will be to new gameplay
^ This is the "Immediate" value from converting to dilithium
Depending how each of these questions is answered will have a big impact on whether we should keep tech and salvage.
Really the answer to the post is: Wait until the changes are on tribble so we can see the actual numbers and impact.
when the personal reputation system comes out will our edcs be turned into omega marks or will we have to recycle them? or should we use them while we can?
The way I read it, those converted edc's/salvage aren't converted equally across all players, and the converted currency will be locked up until you grind to tier 5 in the new system. So if you can buy mk11 gear now DO IT, else you'll need to grind to tier 3 to be able to buy mk11 in the new system, and your saved/converted marks wont be available till tier 5.
Any items converted this way will go into a storage device which cannot be retrieved until the character reaches Tier 5 in the Task Force Omega Reputation System.
So... You're telling me that the items only give me a headstart in buying XII gear, rather than giving me more rep so that I can get to XII faster? By which the time I get to T5, I'd already be awash in Marks because I'm already in XI purples?!
If the above is true, then there's no point hoarding them. Cash out now, people.
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then there's no point hoarding them. Cash out now, people.
This is what they want. The more that cash out now, the less they have to give for free which in turn makes you grind that much more. That's why they are making it look so un-attractive to save them.
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-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
well my issue is, as i posted in the blog's thread is that in the fleet system i grind enough to buy what ever i want once it's unlocked. If this is the same system, then by the time i've ground out tier 5 i won't need any of my stock piled STF loot because i'll have already made enough in the intitial grind, essentially making it all useless any way. This is why they should make it bind to account rather than character.
In the blog he mentions this being a "leg up", but from the look of it, it's a kick in the teeth.
So according to those comments above, each Elite Mark (or whatever they're calling them today) is worth 10 Dilithium (50 x 10 = 500 Dil) and you get one for each Elite STF.
Since you currently get 2 EDCs for each Elite run, likely they'll be valued (for conversion purposes) at 0.5 of an Elite Mark (or 5 Dilithium).
On Holodeck, you can currently trade 10 EDCs for 1056 Dilithium, making your EDCs currently worth 105.6 Dilithium each. Each piece of common or rare Borg Tech/Salvage is also worth 10 EDCs and Prototypes over double that.
So - for conversion purposes based on what Cryptic proposes the value of Elite Marks to be, in the Season 7 conversion you'll get something like this:
Rare Borg Tech/Salvage (currently 1056 Dil) = 5 Elite Marks (50 Dil)
Proto Borg Tech/Salvage (currently 2304 Dil) = 10(?) Elite Marks (100 Dil)
Now, due to its rarity, Cryptic may value the Tech/Salvage more highly - given how little they seem to think each Elite STF run is worth though, I doubt it.
AND...
Right now, your Proto Salvage gets you a MK XII weapon for effectively 2304 Dilithium - expect the new ones to be at least 22620 Dilithium (the current cost of Mk XI weapons in the Dilithium store) and more likely around 7500 Dilithium more expensive (the price difference between X and XI in the Dilithium store).
Even if they're '5% cheaper' as mentioned by Borticus, for a MK XII that be approximately 28600 Dilithium for a single weapon (or 171600 for a 6-beam Cruiser).
PLUS the 36000 Dilithium per piece for a ground/space set.
Sooo...
If you have 100 EDCs.
Today they're worth 10560 Dil.
After S7? 500 Dil.
Oh, and the 50 Elite STFs you'd run now to get those 100 EDCs? That'll earn you 61000 Dil - after S7? 24000.
yep and this is an improvement to how it is now
or so they say..
but you know they also say that anything that costs dilithium is a convenience and not really needed..
i would love to see a team with normal gear that doesnt cost dilithium doing an elite ground stf and winning the optional.
all this is gonna do is make stuff so expensive people wont use it..
post season 7 ground stfs are going to be dead.. pugs will be more useless then they are..
its going to be a dark time for sto
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i would love to see a team with normal gear that doesnt cost dilithium doing an elite ground stf and winning the optional.
That's like super easy, when the STF became what they are , that's pretty much how my fleet rolled...we had non Dil weapons from either drops for Otha, or other drops, and pretty much ran the STF's easy PZ.....not that hard to run STF's without MACO or OMEGA set's as long as you have a good team.
So according to those comments above, each Elite Mark (or whatever they're calling them today) is worth 10 Dilithium (50 x 10 = 500 Dil) and you get one for each Elite STF.
Since you currently get 2 EDCs for each Elite run, likely they'll be valued (for conversion purposes) at 0.5 of an Elite Mark (or 5 Dilithium).
You seem to be a little off there on the value of elite marks. According to the post you linked to, The 500 dil project requires 50 Omega Marks, not Elite Marks. Each elite STF on Tribble now, if I remember correctly, gives you 60 Omega Marks. We don't seem to have a valuation of the elite mark equivalent yet. Then again, this project will only unlock at max level, so that gives us a few months with low dil payouts for STFs.
You seem to be a little off there on the value of elite marks. According to the post you linked to, The 500 dil project requires 50 Omega Marks, not Elite Marks. Each elite STF on Tribble now, if I remember correctly, gives you 60 Omega Marks. We don't seem to have a valuation of the elite mark equivalent yet. Then again, this project will only unlock at max level, so that gives us a few months with low dil payouts for STFs.
Where's the sense in awarding 480 Dil for completing an Elite STF plus 600 Dil worth of Omega Marks?
Unless the conversion project is horribly gated like the Veteran Dilithium refining (500 Dil per day effectively).
Even if you can convert all of those marks, you're still down on how much Dil you can earn per STF now:
Currently: 1220 + 210 (2 x EDCs) = 1430 Dil.
Proposed: 480 + 600? = 1080 Dil.
It's been suggested that 3000 Omega Marks are required to reach Tier 5 - that's 50 STFs.
So currently: 71500 Dil. (not counting the value of almost guaranteed additional EDCs, common/rare/proto salvage+tech across 50 runs)
Proposed: 54000 Dil. (of course, you have to spend those Omega Marks so those 50 STFs will actually only net you 24000 Dil).
Either the conversion will be bad (how you perceive it) or it'll be worse - how I perceive it - or possibly somewhere inbetween.
But the chance of getting comparable rewards to those currently available to us seem slim to none.
And even if the conversion is a one-to-one value you'll still end up with a pile of Omega Marks that need converting to Dilithium and then refining whereas now you could just convert them to Dilithium (or weapons and space/ground gear).
Where's the sense in awarding 480 Dil for completing an Elite STF plus 600 Dil worth of Omega Marks?
Unless the conversion project is horribly gated like the Veteran Dilithium refining (500 Dil per day effectively).
Even if you can convert all of those marks, you're still down on how much Dil you can earn per STF now:
Currently: 1220 + 210 (2 x EDCs) = 1430 Dil.
Proposed: 480 + 600? = 1080 Dil.
It's been suggested that 3000 Omega Marks are required to reach Tier 5 - that's 50 STFs.
So currently: 71500 Dil. (not counting the value of almost guaranteed additional EDCs, common/rare/proto salvage+tech across 50 runs)
Proposed: 54000 Dil. (of course, you have to spend those Omega Marks so those 50 STFs will actually only net you 24000 Dil).
Either the conversion will be bad (how you perceive it) or it'll be worse - how I perceive it - or possibly somewhere inbetween.
But the chance of getting comparable rewards to those currently available to us seem slim to none.
And even if the conversion is a one-to-one value you'll still end up with a pile of Omega Marks that need converting to Dilithium and then refining whereas now you could just convert them to Dilithium (or weapons and space/ground gear).
I do agree with you that we're going to be worse off by quite a bit. I just wanted to point out the error. Relating back to the op, I feel fairly certain that we'll lose out from the conversion of our existing assets. There is still a very slim chance that I could be proved wrong, though. Because of that, I'll probably wait till I see the conversion rates on Tribble before I dump everything. We should still have a little while after that to convert to dil at the old rates on Holodeck, so waiting just to be safe may be best.
Still, having to wait until tier 5 to regain access to our existing stuff is a huge bummer, and, to be frank, doesn't really serve a valid purpose. Unless I can seriously profit from the conversion, this will be the deal breaker for me.
If you cash in, go for the STF DOffs. They won't be available in S7 and who knows when if ever they'll come back?
Yes - you'll get the most 'value' from your STF currencies by spending them now - on Doffs, weapons, gear whatever. Dilithium is just Dilithium and there's plenty of that to be found in game (though seemingly much less on the horizon).
I do agree with you that we're going to be worse off by quite a bit. I just wanted to point out the error.
In retrospect (it was late) both amounts seem in error to me - getting a token 10 Dilithium bonus for each Elite STF run is so miserly that I doubt even Cryptic would propose it - on the flipside, they're not going to offer a 600 Dilithium bonus either (when the 'reward' is 480).
The truth lies somewhere inbetween and I suspect it'll be in the gating of the conversion projects (which will almost certainly take several days to complete).
Ultimately, much like Dilithium you'll end up with piles of Omega Marks that you're unable to convert.
We also don't know yet if we'll be able to convert them to Refined Dilithium or Ore - hopefully the former, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's the latter...
i would love to see a team with normal gear that doesnt cost dilithium doing an elite ground stf and winning the optional.
My fleetmates and I could. STFs are a walk in the park for us. As long as you have a [Pla] green Mk XI shield or above and a Mk XI pulsewave, that's clearly enough. I'm not sure it would be easy to get IGE optional with that but I've got the optional several time with undergeared characters. Actually I always get the Team commander accolade (all optionals) before getting any Mk XI or XII stuff element when i level up a new char.
If you've got the tech for a Mk XII piece now, spend it as soon as possible. Not spending it would only be shooting yourself in the foot, most likely. If XII is what you want, doing anything else would be silly.
The rare/uncommon tech is your call. You could use the materials you get for the conversion towards Mk XII stuff instead of XI or X, which I would think would be preferable, but if you've got complete sets of XI or X, you could use them to outfit BOffs or something.
The salvage I'd lean a lot more towards spending now. They say the new weapons coming out are better, but I haven't seen anyone test that yet. Having alternate sets of XI weapons of various energy types could have its uses, too. But again, this could also be put towards Mk XII stuff post-conversion, so it's worth considering holding out at least.
As for everything else you may have, let it convert and use it for XII stuff. Dil conversions in the current system are TRIBBLE, so there's nearly no point in cashing in that way. And while I might kick myself later for saying that, I frankly don't see that as very likely.
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:rolleyes:
I haven't been around for the dil conversion, but I'm starting to get the idea...
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
The conversion crate will be implemented on TRIBBLE prior to S7 launch so that every character can log in and see exactly how much their existing items converted to.
How long are we going to have to make the decision/examine what's going to happen? Several days at least, I hope?
I applaud you for keeping posting while deep into enemy territory.
Well, let's hope this "crate" really works on Tribble before Holodeck gets the nerf.
Still doesn't solve how wrong the Omega fleet reputation system is (as it is presented currently).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
The question is: Do I save my salvage and tech, or convert it to dilithium now.
We're told that salvage and tech will be useful after we reach reputation level 5, but we don't know
1.) How long does it actually take to reach reputation level 5
2.) How much our tech and salvage will actually progress toward new gear
3.) How common the new Marks will be
^ This is the "Future" value from keeping tech and salvage
3.) How much dilithium will we be earning in season 7 in general
4.) How critical dilithium will be to new gameplay
^ This is the "Immediate" value from converting to dilithium
Depending how each of these questions is answered will have a big impact on whether we should keep tech and salvage.
Really the answer to the post is: Wait until the changes are on tribble so we can see the actual numbers and impact.
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So... You're telling me that the items only give me a headstart in buying XII gear, rather than giving me more rep so that I can get to XII faster? By which the time I get to T5, I'd already be awash in Marks because I'm already in XI purples?!
If the above is true, then there's no point hoarding them. Cash out now, people.
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This is what they want. The more that cash out now, the less they have to give for free which in turn makes you grind that much more. That's why they are making it look so un-attractive to save them.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
In the blog he mentions this being a "leg up", but from the look of it, it's a kick in the teeth.
So according to those comments above, each Elite Mark (or whatever they're calling them today) is worth 10 Dilithium (50 x 10 = 500 Dil) and you get one for each Elite STF.
Since you currently get 2 EDCs for each Elite run, likely they'll be valued (for conversion purposes) at 0.5 of an Elite Mark (or 5 Dilithium).
On Holodeck, you can currently trade 10 EDCs for 1056 Dilithium, making your EDCs currently worth 105.6 Dilithium each. Each piece of common or rare Borg Tech/Salvage is also worth 10 EDCs and Prototypes over double that.
So - for conversion purposes based on what Cryptic proposes the value of Elite Marks to be, in the Season 7 conversion you'll get something like this:
10 EDCs (currently 1056 Dil) = 5 Elite Marks (50 Dil)
Rare Borg Tech/Salvage (currently 1056 Dil) = 5 Elite Marks (50 Dil)
Proto Borg Tech/Salvage (currently 2304 Dil) = 10(?) Elite Marks (100 Dil)
Now, due to its rarity, Cryptic may value the Tech/Salvage more highly - given how little they seem to think each Elite STF run is worth though, I doubt it.
AND...
Right now, your Proto Salvage gets you a MK XII weapon for effectively 2304 Dilithium - expect the new ones to be at least 22620 Dilithium (the current cost of Mk XI weapons in the Dilithium store) and more likely around 7500 Dilithium more expensive (the price difference between X and XI in the Dilithium store).
Even if they're '5% cheaper' as mentioned by Borticus, for a MK XII that be approximately 28600 Dilithium for a single weapon (or 171600 for a 6-beam Cruiser).
PLUS the 36000 Dilithium per piece for a ground/space set.
Sooo...
If you have 100 EDCs.
Today they're worth 10560 Dil.
After S7? 500 Dil.
Oh, and the 50 Elite STFs you'd run now to get those 100 EDCs? That'll earn you 61000 Dil - after S7? 24000.
or so they say..
but you know they also say that anything that costs dilithium is a convenience and not really needed..
i would love to see a team with normal gear that doesnt cost dilithium doing an elite ground stf and winning the optional.
all this is gonna do is make stuff so expensive people wont use it..
post season 7 ground stfs are going to be dead.. pugs will be more useless then they are..
its going to be a dark time for sto
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That's like super easy, when the STF became what they are , that's pretty much how my fleet rolled...we had non Dil weapons from either drops for Otha, or other drops, and pretty much ran the STF's easy PZ.....not that hard to run STF's without MACO or OMEGA set's as long as you have a good team.
You seem to be a little off there on the value of elite marks. According to the post you linked to, The 500 dil project requires 50 Omega Marks, not Elite Marks. Each elite STF on Tribble now, if I remember correctly, gives you 60 Omega Marks. We don't seem to have a valuation of the elite mark equivalent yet. Then again, this project will only unlock at max level, so that gives us a few months with low dil payouts for STFs.
Where's the sense in awarding 480 Dil for completing an Elite STF plus 600 Dil worth of Omega Marks?
Unless the conversion project is horribly gated like the Veteran Dilithium refining (500 Dil per day effectively).
Even if you can convert all of those marks, you're still down on how much Dil you can earn per STF now:
Currently: 1220 + 210 (2 x EDCs) = 1430 Dil.
Proposed: 480 + 600? = 1080 Dil.
It's been suggested that 3000 Omega Marks are required to reach Tier 5 - that's 50 STFs.
So currently: 71500 Dil. (not counting the value of almost guaranteed additional EDCs, common/rare/proto salvage+tech across 50 runs)
Proposed: 54000 Dil. (of course, you have to spend those Omega Marks so those 50 STFs will actually only net you 24000 Dil).
Either the conversion will be bad (how you perceive it) or it'll be worse - how I perceive it - or possibly somewhere inbetween.
But the chance of getting comparable rewards to those currently available to us seem slim to none.
And even if the conversion is a one-to-one value you'll still end up with a pile of Omega Marks that need converting to Dilithium and then refining whereas now you could just convert them to Dilithium (or weapons and space/ground gear).
I do agree with you that we're going to be worse off by quite a bit. I just wanted to point out the error. Relating back to the op, I feel fairly certain that we'll lose out from the conversion of our existing assets. There is still a very slim chance that I could be proved wrong, though. Because of that, I'll probably wait till I see the conversion rates on Tribble before I dump everything. We should still have a little while after that to convert to dil at the old rates on Holodeck, so waiting just to be safe may be best.
Still, having to wait until tier 5 to regain access to our existing stuff is a huge bummer, and, to be frank, doesn't really serve a valid purpose. Unless I can seriously profit from the conversion, this will be the deal breaker for me.
But yeah, season 7 stfs will pay a lot less well.
If you cash in, go for the STF DOffs. They won't be available in S7 and who knows when if ever they'll come back?
Yes - you'll get the most 'value' from your STF currencies by spending them now - on Doffs, weapons, gear whatever. Dilithium is just Dilithium and there's plenty of that to be found in game (though seemingly much less on the horizon).
In retrospect (it was late) both amounts seem in error to me - getting a token 10 Dilithium bonus for each Elite STF run is so miserly that I doubt even Cryptic would propose it - on the flipside, they're not going to offer a 600 Dilithium bonus either (when the 'reward' is 480).
The truth lies somewhere inbetween and I suspect it'll be in the gating of the conversion projects (which will almost certainly take several days to complete).
Ultimately, much like Dilithium you'll end up with piles of Omega Marks that you're unable to convert.
We also don't know yet if we'll be able to convert them to Refined Dilithium or Ore - hopefully the former, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's the latter...
My fleetmates and I could. STFs are a walk in the park for us. As long as you have a [Pla] green Mk XI shield or above and a Mk XI pulsewave, that's clearly enough. I'm not sure it would be easy to get IGE optional with that but I've got the optional several time with undergeared characters. Actually I always get the Team commander accolade (all optionals) before getting any Mk XI or XII stuff element when i level up a new char.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
With the new conversion, I am wondering what it would be prudent to spend and what to keep.
I have one prototype tech (I was working on unlocking my second set) and a bunch of rare and common tech, plus about fifty prototype Borg salvage.
I am assuming that I should buy the prototype Omega weapon and leave everything else for the conversion process? Or am I being foolish?
The rest... I can't speak to untill they convert the stuff on tribble
The rare/uncommon tech is your call. You could use the materials you get for the conversion towards Mk XII stuff instead of XI or X, which I would think would be preferable, but if you've got complete sets of XI or X, you could use them to outfit BOffs or something.
The salvage I'd lean a lot more towards spending now. They say the new weapons coming out are better, but I haven't seen anyone test that yet. Having alternate sets of XI weapons of various energy types could have its uses, too. But again, this could also be put towards Mk XII stuff post-conversion, so it's worth considering holding out at least.
As for everything else you may have, let it convert and use it for XII stuff. Dil conversions in the current system are TRIBBLE, so there's nearly no point in cashing in that way. And while I might kick myself later for saying that, I frankly don't see that as very likely.
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