i could care less who you post,just so happends everyone you listed are pandas. as well as your a panda. lets see what half thoes guys can do against delphic, mew,and many other players in game. TRIBBLE ive seen way better players in pug matches that would lol stomp pandas. sorry dude but when i see a panda doing a big thanks to pandas it just seems.....glory posting? the only person in pandas i havent killed yet was bieber and mt. yes you and everyone else i had poped. so i guess ill make a glory post and a big thank to me to post on fourms. kinda like how you guys are doing the top 5 and 10 players of pvp in sto. what a joke. hlaf the names that was listed arent even good at all. lol tho for saying yoda is a good player. just shows the nub in you.
both yoda's arent even all that great. you guys love to talk about other players and only chose to see who u think is good. maybe open up your eyes and see there are far more better players out there then you think. because naz, your half as good as you think you are.
2 people on that whole list are pandas. Are you blind?.....lol
You been drinking this evening ? Or just really overcompensating for something ?
and its very easy to pop you. have the need to defend ur b/f or soemthing? really we can end this by doing a fleet verse fleet. but i stand by what i say. a stupid pride post. really, why tell all of us about what ever it is u feel the need to say and just pm thoes people. and please do explain how you get the people in top 10 top 5 and that top 1% because i seen it in ovpvp chat the other day and it was very lol. when you give thoes number please tell us all because i can easily dispute thoes facts.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
and its very easy to pop you. have the need to defend ur b/f or soemthing?
Indeed I go pop all the time... go hard die hard.
Still I can't say I remember you... guess thats why you don't make anyones lists. lol
I think you need to really sleep it off bud... tomorrow re read Nazs post... get that he no where says all other players are trash... he simply says these are guys I have learned from over the last 3 years... he listed 2 fleet mates... and a bunch of TSI guys... I listed a bunch of Ex RZR players that haven't logged in a year. They are the people that I learned from thats all... pull your head out of your backside and post who taught you what you know, seems you likes Mr. R Thor... wait your not fleeted with him are ya? lmao
No one will expect the Panda Inquisition.... or is it Spanish Pandas... I know I wouldn't expect Spanish Pandas.... Wait... "show me your Spanish Pandas" hmmm don't think that fleet tag would display proper.
No one will expect the Panda Inquisition.... or is it Spanish Pandas... I know I wouldn't expect Spanish Pandas.... Wait... "show me your Spanish Pandas" hmmm don't think that fleet tag would display proper.
I know this wasn't directed at me but I've gotta be honest, my earlier posts about acquiring skills have been nagging at me.
I've been playing KDF side almost from the start. I got my original Fed up to 50 after sitting at 46 for years only a couple of months ago even though it was the first toon I made. The MVAM was the ship I wanted to fly even before STO launched so I bought it back in the day, but I really never flew it. I flew the Guramba klink side a little bit, but mostly the Kar'fi, BoP, and now the Fleet Vorcha.
A few weeks ago I hopped in my MVAM and realized that I am a disgrace in a proper escort. I went back to my Klink in the Fleet Vorcha and realized that it's letting me shrug things off and succeed despite a lack of situational awareness or finesse.
So, it might not be tonight due to RL concerns, but this week I will be on my Fed looking for help in the process of becoming less of a trainwreck as an escort pilot, starting with the Sad Panda Cubs channel. If anybody else wants to donate their time I would welcome the help.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I know this wasn't directed at me but I've gotta be honest, my earlier posts about acquiring skills have been nagging at me.
I've been playing KDF side almost from the start. I got my original Fed up to 50 after sitting at 46 for years only a couple of months ago even though it was the first toon I made. The MVAM was the ship I wanted to fly even before STO launched so I bought it back in the day, but I really never flew it. I flew the Guramba klink side a little bit, but mostly the Kar'fi, BoP, and now the Fleet Vorcha.
A few weeks ago I hopped in my MVAM and realized that I am a disgrace in a proper escort. I went back to my Klink in the Fleet Vorcha and realized that it's letting me shrug things off and succeed despite a lack of situational awareness or finesse.
So, it might not be tonight due to RL concerns, but this week I will be on my Fed looking for help in the process of becoming less of a trainwreck as an escort pilot, starting with the Sad Panda Cubs channel. If anybody else wants to donate their time I would welcome the help.
You going to be on tonight around 11:15pm EST? Cause I'd be willing to help your mvam. Anything to keep my beloved airframe in pvp.
Now who taught me the most: I think it's Criminal that no one has said this before.
Bigredjedi: Bigred taught me the basics of flying Cruiser. If it weren't for him I would have remained a Scort pilot and probably have left sto along long time ago. (since the healer, is against my natural personality, it's a challenge to fly it in pvp against Skill) Had he never decided to make a Scort toon, I'd have never made my first sci starcruiser (way back, before it was cool). Bigred taught me alot more than that though, and alot more than basic game mechanics for things like SDR calculation or Accuracy. Bigred, or Ben as I commonly refer to him in vent or TSes the universe over also taught me how to be a Team Mate. Before I came to STO and before I met Bigred, I was a duelist type pvper through and through, I blame Ace Combat (as at the time it's multiplayer consisted of one to 2 players on a team at most) and RTS games (where every decision is on You), but beyond the basics which were to me obvious, like basic Focus Fire, and "never leave your team mates side" I wasn't a Skilled in a Team. Bigred also taught me that you can make very good friendships online. Up till I joined the CAC and had Bigred as a team mate, my online experience, even within my own clans was..... off putting to say it mildly.
As far as improving my game across the board goes, I think I have TSI, RZR, Old Lore, and old SOB to thank for that. I -had- to make my scorts better.
Ricky, I can strongly recommend you take Mavairo up on the offer. The MVAE's also easily my favorite rig and fighting a MavairoVAM was like trying to box smoke.
i could care less who you post,just so happends everyone you listed are pandas. as well as your a panda. lets see what half thoes guys can do against delphic, mew,and many other players in game. TRIBBLE ive seen way better players in pug matches that would lol stomp pandas. sorry dude but when i see a panda doing a big thanks to pandas it just seems.....glory posting? the only person in pandas i havent killed yet was bieber and mt. yes you and everyone else i had poped. so i guess ill make a glory post and a big thank to me to post on fourms. kinda like how you guys are doing the top 5 and 10 players of pvp in sto. what a joke. hlaf the names that was listed arent even good at all. lol tho for saying yoda is a good player. just shows the nub in you.
both yoda's arent even all that great. you guys love to talk about other players and only chose to see who u think is good. maybe open up your eyes and see there are far more better players out there then you think. because naz, your half as good as you think you are.
You're upset. Which is understandable to a degree.
Yoda will be glad to cheer you up in a 1v1 or a premade vs premade action?
Otherwise, leave the trash talk out of a personal opinion that Naz posted. Just because you disagree, it doesn't mean you need to go trash others.
Turkish RP Heroes vs Risa Squadron. Let's go. Otherwise go home.
PS: There's two Yoda's? LoL. I think you're seeing double bro. Which can be a nightmare if you're on the receiving end from "both" Yodas lol. Damn mind tricks.
No one will expect the Panda Inquisition.... or is it Spanish Pandas... I know I wouldn't expect Spanish Pandas.... Wait... "show me your Spanish Pandas" hmmm don't think that fleet tag would display proper.
Panda pate on critz crackers with a shot of tsi always hits the spot
Have to agree with husanak on Simon and Thales (hi). They fly under the radar as he said, but are some of the best "team" players I've ran with. Husanak is king when it comes to finding quirky game mechanics that work together, then taking it to an evil level. His plasma boat is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He was out damaging tacscorts with it before they even buffed plasma.
There are a lot of great players that didn't get mentioned here, but the title isn't "the best players in the game", it's my advisors, as in the ppl naz respects as authorities in the game. This coming from one of the best players in the game IMO. If you want to shout out whose best in your opinion, list them out or better yet, go start your own thread. Why are trolling this thread?
I am a few seasons removed from the hard core pvp scene and my list would be sentimental of folks long gone, but I would add that I truly appreciate the collective works and collaboration of the hard core PvP community in STO.
You guys push the boundaries of each new change and update in the game on the space combat side and represent a tremendous source of innovation and inspiration for STO space combat. In many ways this community represents a talented focus group for one of the best parts of STO, and I still learn a lot lurking this forum and OPvP even as my participation in PvP has never been lower in game.
are you fking kidding me? 1v1 with thales and he lost. rand al thore has way better skills. where are you guys getting this info? some stupid contest that not everyone ws invited too?tell you what, make a pvp bracket get all pvp players in it. que the 1v1 and we can have a my ship is better then your ship and post it.
Once upon a time I cared about 1v1. Hell, there was a time when I could 2v1 90% of the players in Lore during my time with that fleet.
Guess what? After a certain point in skill level 1v1's don't tell you anything about how a player will perform in a team, and a lot of 1v1 focused builds are mediocre 5v5 builds.
The reason Thales gets a lot of love from anyone who has played with him on voice comms is because he is an absolutely amazing team player. He has a calm, focused demeanor, and as a primary target caller is able to channel the rest of the team to apply a constant pressure wherever it's needed. He is aware of the rest of the team, and able to coordinate them as a force multiplier. He's probably some sort of communications officer in real life, because more than anyone else in STO he seems to have gift for it. He's probably the best target caller in the game.
It's interesting that you would mention Rand al Thor specifically, because I've played with both those guys on voice comms and the difference between them is night and day. Now, I don't mean to put Rand al Thor down or anything -- I'm sure he's a fine escort pilot -- but when he was the primary target caller our entire team fell apart from lack of coordination. We were so lacking that I was able to out-DPS him for all of our matches in my sci/sci trannie build. If you were to put both Rand al Thor and Thales on the same team, it's possible Rand al Thor might have the higher damage numbers at the end, but it would be Thales setting up the kills. Again, I don't mean to knock on Rand al Thor because the truth is that there are very few good team players let alone primary target callers in the game, and I myself used to be terrible at communication before I got into premade PvP. It's not something that you can learn from pugging, and being bad at communication isn't something to be ashamed of, but is rather something you need to be aware of and put in an effort to improve. And that doesn't only go for Rand al Thor, but also for the vast majority of PvPers reading this thread.
Once upon a time I cared about 1v1. Hell, there was a time when I could 2v1 90% of the players in Lore during my time with that fleet.
Guess what? After a certain point in skill level 1v1's don't tell you anything about how a player will perform in a team, and a lot of 1v1 focused builds are mediocre 5v5 builds.
The reason Thales gets a lot of love from anyone who has played with him on voice comms is because he is an absolutely amazing team player. He has a calm, focused demeanor, and as a primary target caller is able to channel the rest of the team to apply a constant pressure wherever it's needed. He is aware of the rest of the team, and able to coordinate them as a force multiplier. He's probably some sort of communications officer in real life, because more than anyone else in STO he seems to have gift for it. He's probably the best target caller in the game.
It's interesting that you would mention Rand al Thor specifically, because I've played with both those guys on voice comms and the difference between them is night and day. Now, I don't mean to put Rand al Thor down or anything -- I'm sure he's a fine escort pilot -- but when he was the primary target caller our entire team fell apart from lack of coordination. We were so lacking that I was able to out-DPS him for all of our matches in my sci/sci trannie build. If you were to put both Rand al Thor and Thales on the same team, it's possible Rand al Thor might have the higher damage numbers at the end, but it would be Thales setting up the kills. Again, I don't mean to knock on Rand al Thor because the truth is that there are very few good team players let alone primary target callers in the game, and I myself used to be terrible at communication before I got into premade PvP. It's not something that you can learn from pugging, and being bad at communication isn't something to be ashamed of, but is rather something you need to be aware of and put in an effort to improve. And that doesn't only go for Rand al Thor, but also for the vast majority of PvPers reading this thread.
This is absolutely correct. Although, whenever Thales has run with TRH vs TSI or Critz, he was not the target caller. I've yet to hear him call it in INTPVP TS channel, but I am aware he calls "like a champ" as per Pheo said a whiles ago.
Target calling is perhaps one of the most vital assets to have on a team. You can have the best players in the game on a team, but they will lose the match if their talent is not channeled or channeled incorrectly.
Just to clarify, the whole purpose of this thread is to share with you the people in my eyes, who helpped me climb the learning curve from PVE to PVP via their advice or their displayed abilities i had the honour of witnessing.
I got mucho contradicto advice from people when it came to pvp, however the words/actions coming out of the mentioned people always was and is gospel.
It is in no way intended to be an ego stroking panda procreational activity. It is meant to be a guide for PVP'ers new and old to obtain accurate knowledge to pvp related things from guys who experiment/ practice day in, day out.
I really do care about the state of PVP and want more people to be as good as or if not better than the Pandas / Critz / TSI.
Only way in my eyes of getting to this state of game play is to share where i got my experience from and me pass that knowledge on almost (Excluding newly developed teamplay tactics) without any restriction.
My biggest downside is that i get really annoyed at individuals /groups who spread inaccurate pvp related information and cannot channel this annoyance in a constructive manner.
That being said, i thought this was a constructive way of channeling that annoyance.
Once upon a time I cared about 1v1. Hell, there was a time when I could 2v1 90% of the players in Lore during my time with that fleet.
Guess what? After a certain point in skill level 1v1's don't tell you anything about how a player will perform in a team, and a lot of 1v1 focused builds are mediocre 5v5 builds.
The reason Thales gets a lot of love from anyone who has played with him on voice comms is because he is an absolutely amazing team player. He has a calm, focused demeanor, and as a primary target caller is able to channel the rest of the team to apply a constant pressure wherever it's needed. He is aware of the rest of the team, and able to coordinate them as a force multiplier. He's probably some sort of communications officer in real life, because more than anyone else in STO he seems to have gift for it. He's probably the best target caller in the game.
It's interesting that you would mention Rand al Thor specifically, because I've played with both those guys on voice comms and the difference between them is night and day. Now, I don't mean to put Rand al Thor down or anything -- I'm sure he's a fine escort pilot -- but when he was the primary target caller our entire team fell apart from lack of coordination. We were so lacking that I was able to out-DPS him for all of our matches in my sci/sci trannie build. If you were to put both Rand al Thor and Thales on the same team, it's possible Rand al Thor might have the higher damage numbers at the end, but it would be Thales setting up the kills. Again, I don't mean to knock on Rand al Thor because the truth is that there are very few good team players let alone primary target callers in the game, and I myself used to be terrible at communication before I got into premade PvP. It's not something that you can learn from pugging, and being bad at communication isn't something to be ashamed of, but is rather something you need to be aware of and put in an effort to improve. And that doesn't only go for Rand al Thor, but also for the vast majority of PvPers reading this thread.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Hurley also gets my vote for as being another fountain of knowledge and one of the handful of ppl I always read when I see one of his posts. While he can be abrasive at times, his posts almost always are based in facts. Unfortunately, sometimes the truth hurts. I will also go on the record of saying that I don't always agree with him either. However, if I'm not open minded enough to listen to other opinions of ppl in the game that I KNOW have a better understanding of the mechanics of the game and how to use them, then I'll never be better than a mediocre player
Just to clarify, the whole purpose of this thread is to share with you the people in my eyes, who helpped me climb the learning curve from PVE to PVP via their advice or their displayed abilities i had the honour of witnessing.
I got mucho contradicto advice from people when it came to pvp, however the words/actions coming out of the mentioned people always was and is gospel.
It is in no way intended to be an ego stroking panda procreational activity. It is meant to be a guide for PVP'ers new and old to obtain accurate knowledge to pvp related things from guys who experiment/ practice day in, day out.
I for one think this is a good thread and thank you for starting it.. I dont think it came off as an Panda ego sroking thread to anybody besides that one guy..
As far as my advisers go, that's simple -- the rest of the Pandas. Everyone there has some kind of meaningful knowledge to share with the rest, and people are constantly experimenting.
My biggest personal influence though? Without a doubt that would be Wrath from old Science Wizards/TSI. He led me to the realization that being good at STO, or any kind of competitive team game for that matter, has more to do with attitude than it does with knowledge or skill -- though the later does eventually stem from the former. Without his influence, there probably wouldn't be any Pandas (and by extension Critz) right now, and I wouldn't have became one of the top players in Stellar Impact. If I get to the top of MWO, it will be because of Wrath.
What is this competitive attitude that I speak of? Well, let me lay it out for you guys:
Most importantly, no matter what happens stay calm and cool headed. Yes, this is harder than it sounds.
Relish the oppurtunity to play your betters, even if they are beating you 15-0 over and over again. I see a number of things happen far too often:
-Team A runs into team B in the queues, Team A destroys Team B and Team B doesn't queue up again.
-Or, Team A runs into Team B in the queues, Team A usually beats team B, but this time team B eeks out a win. Fearing that Team A will adapt and win any subsequent games, Team B stops queueing.
-Or, Team A asks for a premade match in OPvP. Team B has more than enough members on to field a premade, but is silent.
Team B is doomed to perpetual mediocrity because they don't have the right attitude -- they are more worried about reputation and winning than they are about improving, but you can't really have the former without the later.
When you read the first point you were probably thinking "Wait, that's it? That's obvious." Now realize this -- the second point is an extension of the first one. If you truly are calm and collected, there's no reason to do any of the team B stuff. Now do you see how deceptively simple the first point really is?
Use less than optimal abilities and builds if it will help build team work. Remember back when Pandas was getting started and Torp Spread had a habit of one shotting people? We decided that we would all use high yield because it required more team work and coordination to get kills. Our goal at the time was to beat TSI and we were smart enough to realize that simply slotting the most overpowered skills wasn't going to do it, that we had to improve drastically as a team. Remember when we were going around in full tier 3 setups? Same thing. The reason you don't commonly see Pandas running overpowered C-store consoles or broken things? In order to insure fair and fun fights? No! Because it would hurt team play. Why do we let opposing teams pick the rules in challenge matches? I think by now you can fathom a guess!
If you want to set up a competitive team, do so as a group of friends. Don't have a rank structure. Rank structures lead to drama, which violates the first point, and prioritizes certain players over others, making it difficult for team members to learn from each and every member as opposed to just the guys at the top who have the most weight to throw around.
Last but not least, surround yourself with people who share the same attitude. If you have a good, competitive attitude for God's sake don't suffer in a group that doesn't. And if you have a group with a competitive attitude, don't suffer members with less. Most people simply aren't capable of thinking at this level, not because of a lack of intelligence (it's a simple concept) but rather out of pride and pettiness.
I've spoken about attitude before on the forums to little benefit, but this is the first time I've really laid it out. Hope this helps a few of you guys to take that next step.
Very well put Hurleybird, Thing is this game lacks alot of competitive people. To be sure this game would need more organized-pvp fleet that are interested in premade pvp, thats why we in Tsi or me in particular have been very skeptical to invite people who where in previous premade fleets.
To be sure most of my infuences are long gone from this game, faithborn, edgecase and basicly anyone who beat me
Indeed he and really all the CAC guys where always fun to fight against... learned plenty of things in our epic battles. Another high quality innovator that we are short right now. I feel bad I didn't put him on the list....
Reminds me of a few other guys as well... Ultime and Ninjaboy, Ultime and his beam escort before it was cool... ninjaboy one of the few tac cruisers that did it well... I can still hear NB on our vent saying "hey guys come play some DCO with me and we can kill some nerds" lol
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Well at least those Pandas in the picture can reproduce naturally.
2 people on that whole list are pandas. Are you blind?.....lol
Damn son!
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
come back to me when you learn some skill.
/end posting
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1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up
Dude calm down, its just a game.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
You been drinking this evening ? Or just really overcompensating for something ?
and its very easy to pop you. have the need to defend ur b/f or soemthing? really we can end this by doing a fleet verse fleet. but i stand by what i say. a stupid pride post. really, why tell all of us about what ever it is u feel the need to say and just pm thoes people. and please do explain how you get the people in top 10 top 5 and that top 1% because i seen it in ovpvp chat the other day and it was very lol. when you give thoes number please tell us all because i can easily dispute thoes facts.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
Indeed I go pop all the time... go hard die hard.
Still I can't say I remember you... guess thats why you don't make anyones lists. lol
I think you need to really sleep it off bud... tomorrow re read Nazs post... get that he no where says all other players are trash... he simply says these are guys I have learned from over the last 3 years... he listed 2 fleet mates... and a bunch of TSI guys... I listed a bunch of Ex RZR players that haven't logged in a year. They are the people that I learned from thats all... pull your head out of your backside and post who taught you what you know, seems you likes Mr. R Thor... wait your not fleeted with him are ya? lmao
Really go get some sleep. haha
guess i better mention to aytahni, era, and linty that theyre not spanish inquisitors anymore and instead have been pandas.
it was the pandas all along!
... i guess that also explains this hairy black and white feeling ive been having lately... who'd have thunk that i myself am also a panda... weird...
Its true! Aythani is a cuddly Charr, erh, Panda i meant
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
I foundz em
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
I've been playing KDF side almost from the start. I got my original Fed up to 50 after sitting at 46 for years only a couple of months ago even though it was the first toon I made. The MVAM was the ship I wanted to fly even before STO launched so I bought it back in the day, but I really never flew it. I flew the Guramba klink side a little bit, but mostly the Kar'fi, BoP, and now the Fleet Vorcha.
A few weeks ago I hopped in my MVAM and realized that I am a disgrace in a proper escort. I went back to my Klink in the Fleet Vorcha and realized that it's letting me shrug things off and succeed despite a lack of situational awareness or finesse.
So, it might not be tonight due to RL concerns, but this week I will be on my Fed looking for help in the process of becoming less of a trainwreck as an escort pilot, starting with the Sad Panda Cubs channel. If anybody else wants to donate their time I would welcome the help.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
You going to be on tonight around 11:15pm EST? Cause I'd be willing to help your mvam. Anything to keep my beloved airframe in pvp.
Now who taught me the most: I think it's Criminal that no one has said this before.
Bigredjedi: Bigred taught me the basics of flying Cruiser. If it weren't for him I would have remained a Scort pilot and probably have left sto along long time ago. (since the healer, is against my natural personality, it's a challenge to fly it in pvp against Skill) Had he never decided to make a Scort toon, I'd have never made my first sci starcruiser (way back, before it was cool). Bigred taught me alot more than that though, and alot more than basic game mechanics for things like SDR calculation or Accuracy. Bigred, or Ben as I commonly refer to him in vent or TSes the universe over also taught me how to be a Team Mate. Before I came to STO and before I met Bigred, I was a duelist type pvper through and through, I blame Ace Combat (as at the time it's multiplayer consisted of one to 2 players on a team at most) and RTS games (where every decision is on You), but beyond the basics which were to me obvious, like basic Focus Fire, and "never leave your team mates side" I wasn't a Skilled in a Team. Bigred also taught me that you can make very good friendships online. Up till I joined the CAC and had Bigred as a team mate, my online experience, even within my own clans was..... off putting to say it mildly.
As far as improving my game across the board goes, I think I have TSI, RZR, Old Lore, and old SOB to thank for that. I -had- to make my scorts better.
Very embarrassing!
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
You're upset. Which is understandable to a degree.
Yoda will be glad to cheer you up in a 1v1 or a premade vs premade action?
Otherwise, leave the trash talk out of a personal opinion that Naz posted. Just because you disagree, it doesn't mean you need to go trash others.
Turkish RP Heroes vs Risa Squadron. Let's go. Otherwise go home.
PS: There's two Yoda's? LoL. I think you're seeing double bro. Which can be a nightmare if you're on the receiving end from "both" Yodas lol. Damn mind tricks.
-PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes
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CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Panda pate on critz crackers with a shot of tsi always hits the spot
Have to agree with husanak on Simon and Thales (hi). They fly under the radar as he said, but are some of the best "team" players I've ran with. Husanak is king when it comes to finding quirky game mechanics that work together, then taking it to an evil level. His plasma boat is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He was out damaging tacscorts with it before they even buffed plasma.
There are a lot of great players that didn't get mentioned here, but the title isn't "the best players in the game", it's my advisors, as in the ppl naz respects as authorities in the game. This coming from one of the best players in the game IMO. If you want to shout out whose best in your opinion, list them out or better yet, go start your own thread. Why are trolling this thread?
You guys push the boundaries of each new change and update in the game on the space combat side and represent a tremendous source of innovation and inspiration for STO space combat. In many ways this community represents a talented focus group for one of the best parts of STO, and I still learn a lot lurking this forum and OPvP even as my participation in PvP has never been lower in game.
Rules of Acquisition at Priority One
Once upon a time I cared about 1v1. Hell, there was a time when I could 2v1 90% of the players in Lore during my time with that fleet.
Guess what? After a certain point in skill level 1v1's don't tell you anything about how a player will perform in a team, and a lot of 1v1 focused builds are mediocre 5v5 builds.
The reason Thales gets a lot of love from anyone who has played with him on voice comms is because he is an absolutely amazing team player. He has a calm, focused demeanor, and as a primary target caller is able to channel the rest of the team to apply a constant pressure wherever it's needed. He is aware of the rest of the team, and able to coordinate them as a force multiplier. He's probably some sort of communications officer in real life, because more than anyone else in STO he seems to have gift for it. He's probably the best target caller in the game.
It's interesting that you would mention Rand al Thor specifically, because I've played with both those guys on voice comms and the difference between them is night and day. Now, I don't mean to put Rand al Thor down or anything -- I'm sure he's a fine escort pilot -- but when he was the primary target caller our entire team fell apart from lack of coordination. We were so lacking that I was able to out-DPS him for all of our matches in my sci/sci trannie build. If you were to put both Rand al Thor and Thales on the same team, it's possible Rand al Thor might have the higher damage numbers at the end, but it would be Thales setting up the kills. Again, I don't mean to knock on Rand al Thor because the truth is that there are very few good team players let alone primary target callers in the game, and I myself used to be terrible at communication before I got into premade PvP. It's not something that you can learn from pugging, and being bad at communication isn't something to be ashamed of, but is rather something you need to be aware of and put in an effort to improve. And that doesn't only go for Rand al Thor, but also for the vast majority of PvPers reading this thread.
This is absolutely correct. Although, whenever Thales has run with TRH vs TSI or Critz, he was not the target caller. I've yet to hear him call it in INTPVP TS channel, but I am aware he calls "like a champ" as per Pheo said a whiles ago.
Target calling is perhaps one of the most vital assets to have on a team. You can have the best players in the game on a team, but they will lose the match if their talent is not channeled or channeled incorrectly.
Team work kills everything in this game.
-PaxOttomana TRH
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I got mucho contradicto advice from people when it came to pvp, however the words/actions coming out of the mentioned people always was and is gospel.
It is in no way intended to be an ego stroking panda procreational activity. It is meant to be a guide for PVP'ers new and old to obtain accurate knowledge to pvp related things from guys who experiment/ practice day in, day out.
I really do care about the state of PVP and want more people to be as good as or if not better than the Pandas / Critz / TSI.
Only way in my eyes of getting to this state of game play is to share where i got my experience from and me pass that knowledge on almost (Excluding newly developed teamplay tactics) without any restriction.
My biggest downside is that i get really annoyed at individuals /groups who spread inaccurate pvp related information and cannot channel this annoyance in a constructive manner.
That being said, i thought this was a constructive way of channeling that annoyance.
Oh well....
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Hurley also gets my vote for as being another fountain of knowledge and one of the handful of ppl I always read when I see one of his posts. While he can be abrasive at times, his posts almost always are based in facts. Unfortunately, sometimes the truth hurts. I will also go on the record of saying that I don't always agree with him either. However, if I'm not open minded enough to listen to other opinions of ppl in the game that I KNOW have a better understanding of the mechanics of the game and how to use them, then I'll never be better than a mediocre player
I for one think this is a good thread and thank you for starting it.. I dont think it came off as an Panda ego sroking thread to anybody besides that one guy..
Quote of the week:
My biggest personal influence though? Without a doubt that would be Wrath from old Science Wizards/TSI. He led me to the realization that being good at STO, or any kind of competitive team game for that matter, has more to do with attitude than it does with knowledge or skill -- though the later does eventually stem from the former. Without his influence, there probably wouldn't be any Pandas (and by extension Critz) right now, and I wouldn't have became one of the top players in Stellar Impact. If I get to the top of MWO, it will be because of Wrath.
What is this competitive attitude that I speak of? Well, let me lay it out for you guys:
-Team A runs into team B in the queues, Team A destroys Team B and Team B doesn't queue up again.
-Or, Team A runs into Team B in the queues, Team A usually beats team B, but this time team B eeks out a win. Fearing that Team A will adapt and win any subsequent games, Team B stops queueing.
-Or, Team A asks for a premade match in OPvP. Team B has more than enough members on to field a premade, but is silent.
Team B is doomed to perpetual mediocrity because they don't have the right attitude -- they are more worried about reputation and winning than they are about improving, but you can't really have the former without the later.
I've spoken about attitude before on the forums to little benefit, but this is the first time I've really laid it out. Hope this helps a few of you guys to take that next step.
To be sure most of my infuences are long gone from this game, faithborn, edgecase and basicly anyone who beat me
Indeed he and really all the CAC guys where always fun to fight against... learned plenty of things in our epic battles. Another high quality innovator that we are short right now. I feel bad I didn't put him on the list....
Reminds me of a few other guys as well... Ultime and Ninjaboy, Ultime and his beam escort before it was cool... ninjaboy one of the few tac cruisers that did it well... I can still hear NB on our vent saying "hey guys come play some DCO with me and we can kill some nerds" lol