We also just noticed that the Shield Multiplier on the Krenn and Mobius is incorrectly listed as 1.2
The actual Shield Multiplier is 1.05
No further updates until we've gone thru these with a fine-tooth comb, at which point we'll issue a final list of changes, if necessary. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Is the 15 turn rate on those science ships also an error?
BoPs are considered science ships by Cryptic and have over 20 turnrate. 15 is not that much more than the Intrepid's 12. It's in that "more than a cruiser, less than an escort range" and I suspect turnrate isn't heavily tuned for balance but is treated more as cosmetic based on size.
BoPs are considered science ships by Cryptic and have over 20 turnrate. 15 is not that much more than the Intrepid's 12. It's in that "more than a cruiser, less than an escort range" and I suspect turnrate isn't heavily tuned for balance but is treated more as cosmetic based on size.
Those 3 points make quite the large difference.
For reference, the Patrol Escort has a turn rate of 16.
My main is. And sensor analysis means +33% dmg. Or two tac consoles. Which means this escort is a 12 console ship with 6 tac ones (including two free ones).
Well, I think the D'Kora is pretty beastly when it comes to balance and that it's underrated because people mistakenly think its battle mode is an activated power and don't realize that it's an always on toggle.
The D'Kora, in battle mode is:
+15 weapons power, +5 Shields, +10 Engines
+30 Energy and Projectile Weapons Damage
10.4 turnrate
36k base hull
1.15 shield modifier
Swarm Missile special ability (90 degree targeting, 649 kinetic damage x8)
4 front, 4 aft weapons
Can equip cannons
Has an additional 9 consoles free.
So the D'Kora is already capable of achieving higher forward DPS than any other ship while having high end tanking ability, and decent shields.
I'm not sure that I see any of these ships (or any other lockbox ships) as being as insanely OP as the D'Kora is. These are a notch below the D'Kora and a notch above the bug ship, which is a notch above the Galor.
We also just noticed that the Shield Multiplier on the Krenn and Mobius is incorrectly listed as 1.2
The actual Shield Multiplier is 1.05
No further updates until we've gone thru these with a fine-tooth comb, at which point we'll issue a final list of changes, if necessary. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
regardless of how P2W it is, its still an escort. they shouldn't have beyond cruiser shield mods, especially with the insanely flexible station setup
BoPs are considered science ships by Cryptic and have over 20 turnrate. 15 is not that much more than the Intrepid's 12. It's in that "more than a cruiser, less than an escort range" and I suspect turnrate isn't heavily tuned for balance but is treated more as cosmetic based on size.
Actually, 15 is the same turn rate as most tier 5 escorts. If it's going to turn that fast, it should pay the price in hull and shields.
Temporal Backstep and rewind time approximately 13 seconds. Your ship's position reverses, and some of your ship's hull and shield damage is restored. Additionally, the cooldown and recharge times on all your abilities are reset. The Tipler Cylinder is part of a set, and can be used on any Timeship, including the Wells, Mobius, Korath, Krenn, Aeon or Rozhenko class vessels. If you also have a Manheim Device equipped, activating the Temporal Backstep will also cause all nearby foes to freeze in time until the sequence has ended.
Is this a 13 second hard stun?
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Actually, 15 is the same turn rate as most tier 5 escorts. If it's going to turn that fast, it should pay the price in hull and shields.
thats silly, the bop is the only ship that gives something up to have an advantage. every other type of ship gets advantages stacked on advantages, you should know that by now!
In such a rush to make money, the finer details like the stats get messed up!
Not everyone at cryptic, has time to sit on their butts and make snarky comments. sometimes in a rush to punch the clock and go home, people make mistakes.
"Most of the 29th century tech has been stripped off, presumbly in service for the Tholian Assembly"
Knew it And people worried about the logic of 29th century tech in the 25th century
And yeah, Omega 13 reference Especially funny if you consider Galaxy Quest to be in-between Insurrection and Nemesis (that way it keeps the movie curse intact). After all, Galaxy Quest IS an affectionate parody of Star Trek
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Ah... I'm thinking though, Cryptic should take this and the Tholians and the fact that they still mean to do a time travel mission for the Ambassador class at some point, and try to really up-play 2409 as a front in the Temporal Cold War. Keep it in as a second major arc, alongside the Iconians, provided they're not involved in the whole mess anyway. That way, deviations from canon can be explained away (by Enterprise's rather underwhelming space TRIBBLE temporal reset button) and all the different people who adhere to different views of canon don't need to argue quite so much. We can all believe canon is whatever our favorite crappy excuse for a novel says it is, but it's just (made official) that the timeline got a little sidetracked.
I also love the bridges. First time we got shown those in advance. Not that we didn't know what the Wells one was supposed to look like. Only disappointment for me here is possibly the Mobius. If I was to seriously consider playing this ship, I'm no fan of science ships, so it would have to be that. But then, I like the mirror universe even less, and I'm doubtful the Mobius comes with a Wells skin. It might if one gets both, but even that's not stated one way or the other in the article, and it would be a costly thing to find out isn't there. So I guess I'll just retheme a science officer alt afterall.
I applaud the improving skill of the interior map designers in translating canon ship sets. Every iteration seems to markedly improve and get closer and closer to what we saw in the TV shows and movies, in size, scale, and detail.
However...
The Relativity's bridge is still the worst bridge set shown on TV or movies.
BoPs are considered science ships by Cryptic and have over 20 turnrate. 15 is not that much more than the Intrepid's 12. It's in that "more than a cruiser, less than an escort range" and I suspect turnrate isn't heavily tuned for balance but is treated more as cosmetic based on size.
BoP's have always been in their own class as "Raiders" (they could put more small, quick ships with universal slots in this class if they really wanted to). They are not Science ships. They are not Escorts. The only reason *players* call them "science" ships is because the KDF didn't have any actual science ships for a long time, and if you wanted a science-heavy ship on the KDF side, the BoP was your only option because of the universal BOff stations.
When I said tier 5, I wasn't talking about tier 5.5 too.
Cryptic considers them all one broad tier with leeway for the high end to outclass the others. But if you're making a distinction, this ship is supposed to be "Tier 5.5" or "Tier 5.75" so Tier 5 doesn't make sense as a comparison.
BoP's have always been in their own class as "Raiders" (they could put more small, quick ships with universal slots in this class if they really wanted to). They are not Science ships. They are not Escorts. The only reason *players* call them "science" ships is because the KDF didn't have any actual science ships for a long time, and if you wanted a science-heavy ship on the KDF side, the BoP was your only option because of the universal BOff stations.
That doesn't mean it's a science ship.
I call them Science because when class restrictions were in place on consoles, they could equip sci ability consoles.
I like the Bridges that comes with these ships. I am still wondering though, when (if ever) will we get the bridges for the NX, Vulcan, Caitian, Gorn, and Nausican ships.
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We also just noticed that the Shield Multiplier on the Krenn and Mobius is incorrectly listed as 1.2
The actual Shield Multiplier is 1.05
No further updates until we've gone thru these with a fine-tooth comb, at which point we'll issue a final list of changes, if necessary. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
BoPs are considered science ships by Cryptic and have over 20 turnrate. 15 is not that much more than the Intrepid's 12. It's in that "more than a cruiser, less than an escort range" and I suspect turnrate isn't heavily tuned for balance but is treated more as cosmetic based on size.
Hey it looks great. It's everything but a connie clone with nacelles!
I really hope we can choose this costume if we get both ships.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
hey that might actually come to one full expansion worth of content
Those 3 points make quite the large difference.
For reference, the Patrol Escort has a turn rate of 16.
Well, I think the D'Kora is pretty beastly when it comes to balance and that it's underrated because people mistakenly think its battle mode is an activated power and don't realize that it's an always on toggle.
The D'Kora, in battle mode is:
+15 weapons power, +5 Shields, +10 Engines
+30 Energy and Projectile Weapons Damage
10.4 turnrate
36k base hull
1.15 shield modifier
Swarm Missile special ability (90 degree targeting, 649 kinetic damage x8)
4 front, 4 aft weapons
Can equip cannons
Has an additional 9 consoles free.
So the D'Kora is already capable of achieving higher forward DPS than any other ship while having high end tanking ability, and decent shields.
I'm not sure that I see any of these ships (or any other lockbox ships) as being as insanely OP as the D'Kora is. These are a notch below the D'Kora and a notch above the bug ship, which is a notch above the Galor.
I meant to say: a Mobius with Reman shields!!! Now THAT is Batman.
regardless of how P2W it is, its still an escort. they shouldn't have beyond cruiser shield mods, especially with the insanely flexible station setup
In such a rush to make money, the finer details like the stats get messed up!
Actually, 15 is the same turn rate as most tier 5 escorts. If it's going to turn that fast, it should pay the price in hull and shields.
These look like just the right ships to help me beat the PvE in this game. Thanks! :P
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
thats silly, the bop is the only ship that gives something up to have an advantage. every other type of ship gets advantages stacked on advantages, you should know that by now!
:mad::mad::mad::mad:
The average turnrate for an escort is 16.5 and the median (most common) is 16. It's OP but 13 or 14 wouldn't seem so insane to me.
Not everyone at cryptic, has time to sit on their butts and make snarky comments. sometimes in a rush to punch the clock and go home, people make mistakes.
Why do you think that balance will become an objective of the design team?
Knew it
And yeah, Omega 13 reference
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Ah... I'm thinking though, Cryptic should take this and the Tholians and the fact that they still mean to do a time travel mission for the Ambassador class at some point, and try to really up-play 2409 as a front in the Temporal Cold War. Keep it in as a second major arc, alongside the Iconians, provided they're not involved in the whole mess anyway. That way, deviations from canon can be explained away (by Enterprise's rather underwhelming space TRIBBLE temporal reset button) and all the different people who adhere to different views of canon don't need to argue quite so much. We can all believe canon is whatever our favorite crappy excuse for a novel says it is, but it's just (made official) that the timeline got a little sidetracked.
I also love the bridges. First time we got shown those in advance. Not that we didn't know what the Wells one was supposed to look like. Only disappointment for me here is possibly the Mobius. If I was to seriously consider playing this ship, I'm no fan of science ships, so it would have to be that. But then, I like the mirror universe even less, and I'm doubtful the Mobius comes with a Wells skin. It might if one gets both, but even that's not stated one way or the other in the article, and it would be a costly thing to find out isn't there. So I guess I'll just retheme a science officer alt afterall.
When the time comes.
However...
The Relativity's bridge is still the worst bridge set shown on TV or movies.
Excellent detail though!
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Hopefully this means T5 Connies are now on their way!
Can't wait to blow up a few Galaxy class behemoths in the best ship ever made!
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I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
When I said tier 5, I wasn't talking about tier 5.5 too.
BoP's have always been in their own class as "Raiders" (they could put more small, quick ships with universal slots in this class if they really wanted to). They are not Science ships. They are not Escorts. The only reason *players* call them "science" ships is because the KDF didn't have any actual science ships for a long time, and if you wanted a science-heavy ship on the KDF side, the BoP was your only option because of the universal BOff stations.
That doesn't mean it's a science ship.
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Cryptic considers them all one broad tier with leeway for the high end to outclass the others. But if you're making a distinction, this ship is supposed to be "Tier 5.5" or "Tier 5.75" so Tier 5 doesn't make sense as a comparison.
This is supposed to be a notch above Fleet ships.
I call them Science because when class restrictions were in place on consoles, they could equip sci ability consoles.
Commander Science, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Commander Universal, Lieutenant Tactical, Ensign Science
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