Not just timelines, but alternate universes. The JJ-verse is the same thing as the Mirror Universe; it is an alternate universe that exists alongside the prime universe. What happens in one has nothing to do with what happens in the other, with the rare exception of crossovers from one to the other. But the main point which you obviously understand, yet others do not, is that after Nero/Spock disappeared, the prime universe continued to go on unchanged. It's history was not rewritten.
The story takes place in an alternate reality not a Universe
With all due respect, completely redesigning the game like that is not the solution to this problem. The solution is in fact already in game: the foundry. The only thing that needs to be done is to give foundry missions comparable rewards to official missions. If they did that, people would actually be motivated to play them, and it would solve the content disparity issue for the KDF and any future factions.
You are entitled to your opinion, but the foundry in its current incarnation will never be an alternative to developer created content, let alone the de facto solution to deeply rooted design issues.
If the Foundry Missions is intended to offer a compelling story/experience than the reward is largely irrelevant, if they aren't than the reward needs to be on par with other content the developers make, Risk vs Reward, and in the end just diminishes them to be little more than hamster wheels. Ergo Foundry is not the solution.
I take it you never saw the TNG episode "Parallels"?
yes i did lol i have them all DS9 tng and voy all on dvd
but you do forget it was dun by A quantum incursion is an event wherein an object or person from one quantum reality gains access to another not time travle
Please can you make certain ships and uniforms available to buy with Energy Credits please?
if you talking about romulan stuff never will happen for if they do the romulan shortcut all you can hope for is to play the romulan toon nothen more then the only way we will see romulan ships if the come in a lockbox if we are lucky and dont see uniforms to for the playble federation klingon dose not have either
yes i did lol i have them all DS9 tng and voy all on dvd
but you do forget it was dun by A quantum incursion is an event wherein an object or person from one quantum reality gains access to another not time travle
And it would seem that is what happened with Spock and Nero as well. They may have very well thought they went back in time, but the fact that the prime timeline remains unchanged proves they did not actually change the past, but went to an alternate reality/universe. If they had actually time traveled, then their actions in the past would have changed the future of the prime timeline.
And it would seem that is what happened with Spock and Nero as well. They may have very well thought they went back in time, but the fact that the prime timeline remains unchanged proves they did not actually change the past, but went to an alternate reality/universe. If they had actually time traveled, then their actions in the past would have changed the future of the prime timeline.
"but you do forget it was dun by A quantum incursion is an event wherein an object or person from one quantum reality gains access to another not time travle"
That is what happened with Spock and Nero. If they had actually traveled back in time, then their actions would have effected the future of the prime timeline. But that didnt happen. Therefore they were in an alternate reality/universe.
Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of great ways to introduce Romulans into the game that would have a profound boost to C-Store sales.
A Romulan minipet. Who doesn't enjoy having a Romulan to kick around?
A Romulan ear necklace. Display your valor with this great conversation starter!
A Romulan courtesan. After that much bloodwine do looks really matter?
So many possibilities, these great opportunities and more have surely been lacking.
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"but you do forget it was dun by A quantum incursion is an event wherein an object or person from one quantum reality gains access to another not time travle"
That is what happened with Spock and Nero. If they had actually traveled back in time, then their actions would have effected the future of the prime timeline. But that didnt happen. Therefore they were in an alternate reality/universe.
"but you do forget it was dun by A quantum incursion is an event wherein an object or person from one quantum reality gains access to another not time travle"
That is what happened with Spock and Nero. If they had actually traveled back in time, then their actions would have effected the future of the prime timeline. But that didnt happen. Therefore they were in an alternate reality/universe.
Why can't time travel have different effects depending on the method used?
The big consistent thing in Trek is the "time is like a river" comment by Spock.
Traveling back along the course of a river is something you can do multiple ways and they don't all have the same effects. Sometimes a river can change course. Other times it can splinter. Sometimes, your actions upstream make no change at all.
The more I read it does not look like playable race and what you want are the same. That KDF content and a faction that is playable from the start as a level 1 to 50 race are the same either.
This poll is looking more and more like less and less of what players are really asking for. I think there is still a wide disconnect between Developers and Players here.
The more I read it does not look like playable race and what you want are the same. That KDF content and a faction that is playable from the start as a level 1 to 50 race are the same either.
This poll is looking more and more like less and less of what players are really asking for. I think there is still a wide disconnect between Developers and Players here.
im not going to lie if romulan shortcut are what they are talking about then i want to change my 3 votes :P
and change it to get KDF more content for the more they have sooner i get the romulans i want
The more I read it does not look like playable race and what you want are the same. That KDF content and a faction that is playable from the start as a level 1 to 50 race are the same either.
This poll is looking more and more like less and less of what players are really asking for. I think there is still a wide disconnect between Developers and Players here.
im not going to lie if romulan shortcut if what they are talking about then i want to change my 3 votes :P
and change it to get KDF more content for the more they have soon i get the romulans i want
These posts just go to show how meaningless these poll results really are. The lack of explanation on what "Playable Romulans" meant when this poll was posted lead to many people voting for that option thinking it would be a full faction, not a neutered sub faction.
These posts just go to show how meaningless these poll results really are. The lack of explanation on what "Playable Romulans" meant when this poll was posted lead to many people voting for that option thinking it would be a full faction, not a neutered sub faction.
look at my post history ive said they are riged said it here in this very place any one with more then one account can vote more then ones and the Dev has said only a minority go to the forums so that alone makes them pointless
Feel free to list them in here -- the team is watching this thread.
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Hello Brandon, here is my list:
Fix ALL missions Even in combat it shouldn't remove my cloak just because somebody is talking to me. This is not a submarine where people must be quiet. Hm, I never saw a movie where Klingons or Defiant's crew lost their cloak because somebody was talking on their ship.
CO LT, STO LT, played NWN and NWN2 before and another DnD games
Fix ALL missions Even in combat it shouldn't remove my cloak just because somebody is talking to me. This is not a submarine where people must be quiet. Hm, I never saw a movie where Klingons or Defiant's crew lost their cloak because somebody was talking on their ship.
When it comes to a Romulan faction, the question still remains, would it be healthy for the game to introduce an entirely new faction that is now in the situation we just worked to solve? More than likely, if we were to add the ability to play as a Romulan, we would want to make it so that they could have their own experience, but ultimately fit somehow into the confines of our two faction game. Whether or not this means Romulans ultimately having to choose between which faction they support or something else entirely, the idea that Romulans would be a 3rd unique faction unto itself is a road STO may not take, if only to ensure the future health of the game.
Why not make it a Foundry faction? Give us the bones to work with and we'll create the content. Players would level playing ugc, and every lvling experience would be different for every Rom toon.
Plus, you guys could not deliver a full-fleshed out third faction, even if it was the focus of two seasons. That should be obvious to everyone at this point. If you need an excuse to make another half-finished faction, you have it. Use the foundry, instead of slapping a few good missions together with a stew pot of patrols and explorations.
Ships, skins, costumes, and foundry assets, plus a way to level playing that ugc. Don't worry about doffs or starbases or any of that. Just a way to level as a Rom playing ugc spy missions. There's your third faction.
Go ahead and test it with the KDF. Reduce the mission xp and put in foundry rewards. See if the kdf grows, when people have a reason to play ugc as a mechanism for progressing up. You'd hugely increase the amount of playable xp content on the kdf side, and there would be no reason for a player to say there is a "lack of content." Chicken v. egg debate? Let's test it.
Doing something that incorporates ugc into the lvl process could please the top two groups here.
Why not make it a Foundry faction? Give us the bones to work with and we'll create the content. Players would level playing ugc, and every lvling experience would be different for every Rom toon.
Until they make foundry mission rewards comparable to official missions, it would take forever to level simply from the xp you get from killing NPCs in foundry missions. So if they actually get the rewards up to par, then what you said would be a viable option.
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That's why I remain skeptical.
However if a playable Romulan faction is finally introduced I will be so in on that.
The story takes place in an alternate reality not a Universe
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The same thing is true of the "Mirror Universe", but you will note the term "Universe" in it's name.
You are entitled to your opinion, but the foundry in its current incarnation will never be an alternative to developer created content, let alone the de facto solution to deeply rooted design issues.
If the Foundry Missions is intended to offer a compelling story/experience than the reward is largely irrelevant, if they aren't than the reward needs to be on par with other content the developers make, Risk vs Reward, and in the end just diminishes them to be little more than hamster wheels. Ergo Foundry is not the solution.
then by that logic then every time time travel has happen there is a new alternate universe man how many would we be up to then?
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I take it you never saw the TNG episode "Parallels"?
yes i did lol i have them all DS9 tng and voy all on dvd
but you do forget it was dun by A quantum incursion is an event wherein an object or person from one quantum reality gains access to another not time travle
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Quantum_incursion
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"The Needs Of The Many Out Way The Needs Of The Few!"
if you talking about romulan stuff never will happen for if they do the romulan shortcut all you can hope for is to play the romulan toon nothen more then the only way we will see romulan ships if the come in a lockbox if we are lucky and dont see uniforms to for the playble federation klingon dose not have either
system Lord Baal is dead
And it would seem that is what happened with Spock and Nero as well. They may have very well thought they went back in time, but the fact that the prime timeline remains unchanged proves they did not actually change the past, but went to an alternate reality/universe. If they had actually time traveled, then their actions in the past would have changed the future of the prime timeline.
no they got suck in to a red matter black hole
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Yes. But to quote you:
"but you do forget it was dun by A quantum incursion is an event wherein an object or person from one quantum reality gains access to another not time travle"
That is what happened with Spock and Nero. If they had actually traveled back in time, then their actions would have effected the future of the prime timeline. But that didnt happen. Therefore they were in an alternate reality/universe.
A Romulan minipet. Who doesn't enjoy having a Romulan to kick around?
A Romulan ear necklace. Display your valor with this great conversation starter!
A Romulan courtesan. After that much bloodwine do looks really matter?
So many possibilities, these great opportunities and more have surely been lacking.
Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
you may want to look at this then http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Red_matter
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Yes, I am aware of all of that.
so where did you see a red matter black hole and a Quantum incursion are the same thing?
system Lord Baal is dead
Why can't time travel have different effects depending on the method used?
The big consistent thing in Trek is the "time is like a river" comment by Spock.
Traveling back along the course of a river is something you can do multiple ways and they don't all have the same effects. Sometimes a river can change course. Other times it can splinter. Sometimes, your actions upstream make no change at all.
When you release the Reputation system in S7, Keep it Reputation for the Federation, but Honor for the Klingons.
It just sounds better...
"His Reputation as a Starfleet Officer precedes him..."
"We are Klingons and we fight for Honor!"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up
very good point
system Lord Baal is dead
The more I read it does not look like playable race and what you want are the same. That KDF content and a faction that is playable from the start as a level 1 to 50 race are the same either.
This poll is looking more and more like less and less of what players are really asking for. I think there is still a wide disconnect between Developers and Players here.
im not going to lie if romulan shortcut are what they are talking about then i want to change my 3 votes :P
and change it to get KDF more content for the more they have sooner i get the romulans i want
system Lord Baal is dead
These posts just go to show how meaningless these poll results really are. The lack of explanation on what "Playable Romulans" meant when this poll was posted lead to many people voting for that option thinking it would be a full faction, not a neutered sub faction.
look at my post history ive said they are riged said it here in this very place any one with more then one account can vote more then ones and the Dev has said only a minority go to the forums so that alone makes them pointless
system Lord Baal is dead
i got a big filling i will be joing you
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Hello Brandon, here is my list:
Fix ALL missions
and humans love to talk lol
system Lord Baal is dead
Why not make it a Foundry faction? Give us the bones to work with and we'll create the content. Players would level playing ugc, and every lvling experience would be different for every Rom toon.
Plus, you guys could not deliver a full-fleshed out third faction, even if it was the focus of two seasons. That should be obvious to everyone at this point. If you need an excuse to make another half-finished faction, you have it. Use the foundry, instead of slapping a few good missions together with a stew pot of patrols and explorations.
Ships, skins, costumes, and foundry assets, plus a way to level playing that ugc. Don't worry about doffs or starbases or any of that. Just a way to level as a Rom playing ugc spy missions. There's your third faction.
Go ahead and test it with the KDF. Reduce the mission xp and put in foundry rewards. See if the kdf grows, when people have a reason to play ugc as a mechanism for progressing up. You'd hugely increase the amount of playable xp content on the kdf side, and there would be no reason for a player to say there is a "lack of content." Chicken v. egg debate? Let's test it.
Doing something that incorporates ugc into the lvl process could please the top two groups here.
Until they make foundry mission rewards comparable to official missions, it would take forever to level simply from the xp you get from killing NPCs in foundry missions. So if they actually get the rewards up to par, then what you said would be a viable option.