So we Klingons have a new ship available from lockboxes that we didn't ask for. Please don't misunderstand, I like new stuff I wasn't expecting, and I like the ship look and layout (I think) but I have a concern...
In the Mirror Universe the Klingon/Bajoran/Cardassian alliance (referred to hereafter as the Klingons) did not exchange ships for cloaks with the Romulans. To reiterate, the Mirror Klingons have NO CLOAKING DEVICES. For the life of me I cannot remember the episode in DS9 where Quark and Rom have to steal the cloak from the Rotarran to give to Mirror Ezri to take to Regent Worf in exchange for Grand Nagus Zek but they did so because, and I feel I have to make this clear, the Klingons did not have the tech themselves and the Mirror Defiant did.
So, my concern is this... should the Mirror Vor'cha have a cloak and if so, why? By the same token, the Terran Empire in 2409 is a direct descendant from the resistance so the Terran ships could conceivably have cloaks (why, since they had the plans for one, which Smiley stole, would they not use it in all their ships?).
On a simpler note... LOVE the tholian ships, LOVE them!
EDIT: I realise after asking the question that the KDF could just fit their own cloak so I feel a bit thick but the question about the possibility of a basic Terran cloak still remains...
30 years is long enough for the mirror-Klingons to have stolen or reverse-engineered the cloaking tech themselves, especially since it seems that in more recent times the Mirror people have been stealing more Prime universe tech.
Yeah, whats so trek about a Tholian Web anyway. :rolleyes:
LOL. Love you Geko!
I do think it's silly for either FED or KDF to be flying Tholian ships, but at the end of the day doesn't make me want to quit. It's an MMO, some flexibility and sacrificing "reality" for the sake of enjoying the game is necessary.
It would have made more sense just having like ship match like ship and making T-Empire ships more aggressive. The Enterprise was still the Enterprise in Mirror-verse; just that T-Empire used it for conquest instead of exploration. :rolleyes:
You make a good point, thanks for pointing that out. Can you elaborate what you know about the C-store sovereign? Can you provide a link?
Nobody knows... But based on a look at the differences between the Tactical retrofit, Heavy Escort Carrier, Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier, and a sideways glance at the existing sovreign and Fleet Sovereign that was on Tribble... It will probably be:
Hull:39,000
Standard Shields:5,300
Weapons: 4 4
Crew:800
Bridge Officers:
Lt. Tac, Lt. Cmdr Tac, Ensign Eng, Cmdr Eng, Lt. Sci (One of these could be universal. Standard thinking would be the sci Lt. but I think it will be the Ensign Eng replaced with Ensign Universal on the C-Store ship)
Device Slots:4
Consoles: 3 Tactical 4 Engineering 2 Science
(Although my gut says 4-2-3.)
Turn Rate:7
Bonus Power:+10 weapons power
+5 shield power
+5 auxiliary power
(I think these latter two might be replaced with a +10 to shields)
And... a special ability console. Which *I* think will be the skintight shields from Nemesis which I think, when equipped, will enhance evasion and turnrate passively while giving a shield buff. (Hence why I think it will differ from the fleet version by having an Ens Universal and Lt. Science instead of a Lt. Universal and Ens Engineering, have a 4-2-3 console loadout, and have +10 shields in place of +5 shield/+5 aux.)
What I'm fairly certain of are 7 turnrate (these don't change between versions of the Sovvie), 5300 Shields (2500 ZEN ships have 6% more shields than the stock T5 model which is more than stock and less than Fleet). It will almost certainly be a 9 console ship with a special ability console and a new 2409 costume.
Going off what makes the Sovereign unique, it seems awfully maneuverable for such a big ship and it had different shields in Nemesis. The various Sovereign costumes are close enough it shape that a console that makes the shields "skin tight" seems viable and I could see some technobabble for also making it maneuverable... so IF they went that route, I'd expect a combo shields/evasion tanking model, where shields are enhanced in a cool way, turnrate perhaps gets a buff, and it is given evasion of a much smaller ship to balance out for the low turnrate and relative inferiority of shield tanking.
Then again, maybe the console will be something relatively familiar like Saucer sep.
Or perhaps skintight shields could be something like a defensive variation of saucer sep.
For example, a toggle power for skintight shields that does something like this:
+15% Shield HP
+5% Hull HP
+10% Impulse Speed
+4 Turn Rate
+4 Dodge Chance
-10 Weapon Power
+20 Shield Power
??m - Enterprise Tholian Webslinger(named per designer Doug Drexler's blog) 60m - STO Widow Fighter 70 to 75m - TOS Tholian vessel (type was never defined) 123m - STO Mesh Weaver 408m - STO Orb Weaver 871m - STO Recluse Carrier
Isn't the STO Widow Fighter an advancement of the 22nd centurey Webslinger? A Webslinger which managed to team up to web and destroy the Mirror NX?
Might the not-much-bigger, TOS Tholian vessel also be an advancement of the Webslinger which teamed to snare Kirk's 23rd century Enterprise in a web?
I'm wondering why the [Console - Universal - Tholian Web Generator] is only available for use upon the third and fourth largest STO offerings?
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I would not rely on the shows for canon when it comes to the mirror universe. in one episode two klingon ships decloak, but in a later one Quark has to steal one from the prime universe.
My only gripe with the Vorcha is nothing is done to make it readily apparent that it's an Alliance ship. It would've been a nice nod to the Cardassians if the Vorcha had come with/been able to equip Spiral Wave distruptors like the Galor.
My only gripe with the Vorcha is nothing is done to make it readily apparent that it's an Alliance ship. It would've been a nice nod to the Cardassians if the Vorcha had come with/been able to equip Spiral Wave distruptors like the Galor.
^^^^THIS. Some Cardassian or Bajoran slant to the ship would be great.
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Yeah, whats so trek about a Tholian Web anyway. :rolleyes:
and OP p2win ships,2 new tholian ships, catian carrier, cardassian galor, iss ships, andorian escort, and bug ships flown under the banner of the federation are?
Yeah... your the pot calling the kettle black there geko.:rolleyes:
IMO, this is the main "balancing" aspect of the Orb Weaver and the carrier--they have only an Ensign Tactical station, with no built-in Lieutenant or Lt Cmdr Tactical station. This means that you are forced either to use your Universal station on a Tactical officer, or else adjust your play style to accommodate the lack of Tactical bridge officer powers powers. Having at least one significant drawback like this helps to keep it from being the "one ship to rule them all" (till the next one)--and it needs it, given how both the Orb Weaver and the carrier have higher shield modifiers than the comparable Fed/KDF ships. Also, the fact that the Orb Weaver has a slightly slower turn rate than most RA/VA Science ships (9 vs 10-11) also helps to keep it from going quite so far out of balance.
That's likely true. My issue isn't the lack of tac powers, it's the fact that to get a second ensign engineering power (and isn't the DSSV), which is what it'd take to get me back in a sci ship, I have to take a second Lt Com Engineering.
I'll keep waiting.
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I would not rely on the shows for canon when it comes to the mirror universe. in one episode two klingon ships decloak, but in a later one Quark has to steal one from the prime universe.
I still like my pet explanation that the Romulans are dealing cloaks while pitting people against eachother (ie. they were dealing to the Terrans until Spock took over, then they dealt to the Klingons, then they started arming the Terrans again) and the Romulans go through and wipe all traces of their involvement, which is why people "forgot" about cloaks. (Ie. the Romulans assassinated everyone who had a cloak and scuttled them all whenever they switched sides. Presumably under that model, the Klingons who had a cloak had them installed without informing KCA command.)
this skin swap just confused me. I had a star cruiser, I wanted an assault cruiser, and in the end I got another star cruiser, that looks like an assault cruiser...
Quick question, when opening lock boxes, if you get a mirror ship can it be the other factions one or only a ship suitable for you faction?
eg I'm on KDF side and want the lobi to be bound to that character but also want the assault cruiser for my fed toon. If I open all lock boxes on my kdf toon do I still have a chance to get a fed mirror ship (to send to my fed toon) or only the kdf ship?
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30 years is long enough for the mirror-Klingons to have stolen or reverse-engineered the cloaking tech themselves, especially since it seems that in more recent times the Mirror people have been stealing more Prime universe tech.
LOL. Love you Geko!
I do think it's silly for either FED or KDF to be flying Tholian ships, but at the end of the day doesn't make me want to quit. It's an MMO, some flexibility and sacrificing "reality" for the sake of enjoying the game is necessary.
THIS is what made me happy.
I'm thinking something from the flip side designed for war or at least should have another chair to make it so
Nobody knows... But based on a look at the differences between the Tactical retrofit, Heavy Escort Carrier, Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier, and a sideways glance at the existing sovreign and Fleet Sovereign that was on Tribble... It will probably be:
Hull:39,000
Standard Shields:5,300
Weapons: 4 4
Crew:800
Bridge Officers:
Lt. Tac, Lt. Cmdr Tac, Ensign Eng, Cmdr Eng, Lt. Sci (One of these could be universal. Standard thinking would be the sci Lt. but I think it will be the Ensign Eng replaced with Ensign Universal on the C-Store ship)
Device Slots:4
Consoles: 3 Tactical 4 Engineering 2 Science
(Although my gut says 4-2-3.)
Turn Rate:7
Bonus Power:+10 weapons power
+5 shield power
+5 auxiliary power
(I think these latter two might be replaced with a +10 to shields)
And... a special ability console. Which *I* think will be the skintight shields from Nemesis which I think, when equipped, will enhance evasion and turnrate passively while giving a shield buff. (Hence why I think it will differ from the fleet version by having an Ens Universal and Lt. Science instead of a Lt. Universal and Ens Engineering, have a 4-2-3 console loadout, and have +10 shields in place of +5 shield/+5 aux.)
What I'm fairly certain of are 7 turnrate (these don't change between versions of the Sovvie), 5300 Shields (2500 ZEN ships have 6% more shields than the stock T5 model which is more than stock and less than Fleet). It will almost certainly be a 9 console ship with a special ability console and a new 2409 costume.
Going off what makes the Sovereign unique, it seems awfully maneuverable for such a big ship and it had different shields in Nemesis. The various Sovereign costumes are close enough it shape that a console that makes the shields "skin tight" seems viable and I could see some technobabble for also making it maneuverable... so IF they went that route, I'd expect a combo shields/evasion tanking model, where shields are enhanced in a cool way, turnrate perhaps gets a buff, and it is given evasion of a much smaller ship to balance out for the low turnrate and relative inferiority of shield tanking.
Then again, maybe the console will be something relatively familiar like Saucer sep.
Or perhaps skintight shields could be something like a defensive variation of saucer sep.
For example, a toggle power for skintight shields that does something like this:
+15% Shield HP
+5% Hull HP
+10% Impulse Speed
+4 Turn Rate
+4 Dodge Chance
-10 Weapon Power
+20 Shield Power
I loved flying my star cruiser and with this fancy looking turn rate i may have to get one of these
60m - STO Widow Fighter
70 to 75m - TOS Tholian vessel (type was never defined)
123m - STO Mesh Weaver
408m - STO Orb Weaver
871m - STO Recluse Carrier
Isn't the STO Widow Fighter an advancement of the 22nd centurey Webslinger? A Webslinger which managed to team up to web and destroy the Mirror NX?
Might the not-much-bigger, TOS Tholian vessel also be an advancement of the Webslinger which teamed to snare Kirk's 23rd century Enterprise in a web?
I'm wondering why the [Console - Universal - Tholian Web Generator] is only available for use upon the third and fourth largest STO offerings?
Why on earth would you put dual cannons on a carrier with no turn rate? That sounds completely pointless....
Kirk's Protege.
^^^^THIS. Some Cardassian or Bajoran slant to the ship would be great.
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and OP p2win ships,2 new tholian ships, catian carrier, cardassian galor, iss ships, andorian escort, and bug ships flown under the banner of the federation are?
Yeah... your the pot calling the kettle black there geko.:rolleyes:
I was talking about the sci ship, not the carrier.
That's likely true. My issue isn't the lack of tac powers, it's the fact that to get a second ensign engineering power (and isn't the DSSV), which is what it'd take to get me back in a sci ship, I have to take a second Lt Com Engineering.
I'll keep waiting.
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Anyhow, with the mirror universe ships just being skinswaps, I've officially lost interest in the whole affair.
The NPC Klingons even those odds and then some.
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Was covered a few pages pack. It's just called something different :P
Kirk's Protege.
I still like my pet explanation that the Romulans are dealing cloaks while pitting people against eachother (ie. they were dealing to the Terrans until Spock took over, then they dealt to the Klingons, then they started arming the Terrans again) and the Romulans go through and wipe all traces of their involvement, which is why people "forgot" about cloaks. (Ie. the Romulans assassinated everyone who had a cloak and scuttled them all whenever they switched sides. Presumably under that model, the Klingons who had a cloak had them installed without informing KCA command.)
Just got one of these on Tribble and it is exactly the same as my current starcruiser - only got a skin unlock
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Righteous stats too. Looks like fun/new flavor/gameplay.
I would love to fly them and would totally buy them if:
1) I had new things worth doing, in them (ie story missions/content, not ever-looping grindfests).
2) They were for a set (reasonable $15-25) price in the C-Store. I don't play lotteries.
It's a damn shame. Such nice ships. Thanks though.
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eg I'm on KDF side and want the lobi to be bound to that character but also want the assault cruiser for my fed toon. If I open all lock boxes on my kdf toon do I still have a chance to get a fed mirror ship (to send to my fed toon) or only the kdf ship?