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  • shakesfistatskyshakesfistatsky Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I think I might be taking a break soon. I've been here since closed beta and have been in 5 fleets; all of which were absolute screaming dramafests. I now have a small 3 man fleet with some RL friends but they simply aren't online enough to help with the starbase projects.

    I'm burnt out already from the grind and my base isn't even Tier 1 yet. Maybe I'll be back for Season 7...we'll see.
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  • shorlasshorlas Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Asking if season 6 will be the solution to Perfect World's sucking is a lot like asking if TRIBBLE is the solution to adultery. The answer is a resounding no. The idea was great the implementation is beyond frustrating.

    Having hundreds of people rushing to the same area creates insane lag. The story and plot behind the new quests is dismal. The starbases are a slap to the face of smaller casual fleets. The rewards are great ideas but also bugged. The tutorials and information on the new content virtually does not exist.

    Playing with a dedicated team is irritating on the new content because not only is your instance not properly numbered like say, ESD is but you also have upwards of 80(?!) instances on this planet to shuffle through to try and get to the one your team mates are in which often times takes longer to do than the actual quests themselves.

    While I think season 6... which it should NOT be called.. is a great idea on paper I think the final results introduced more bugs and problems than useful features.

    If their goal was to utterly trash smaller fleets this season will do it.
    If their goal was to localize and create more lag, this will do it.
    If their goal was to frustrate more players this will do it.
    If their goal was to release a new and immersive season such as the Breen and Reman war, this utterly fails.
    If their goal was to try and add in something new to the MMO market this utterly fails in doing so.
    If their goal was to remind people like me why we refuse to play Perf**ked world games this was their greatest success to date.

    You may call it hating. I call it an objective evaluation.
  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    denizenvi wrote: »
    Seconded. A little break can do wonders. No need to mock the hopes and satisfaction of players who actually enjoy the new content.

    Ahh, I wondered when you would show up, with your trusty +20 shield of Go go Cryptic...

    I took a break, 3 weeks after the game was released. I took a second break after season 2, then 3, then 4, then a longer break until, not played again....

    Hey, if you're more than happy to accept mediocrity and being a Herbert, fill yeh boots m8. I think you will find that after a few week of season six, things will return back to normal except more people will leave in droves, with nothing to do but rinse and repeat and or get fleeced.

    Already some of your CDFer friends, have posted that they are not happy and are already bored!! This is from a couple of CDFers. I'm shocked!

    The point is, that no matter how much you love STO, Cryptic and PWE are killing it. This is fleece on line or grind on line now.

    Wait until the next lock box comes out, the howls will start again.

    Where's the content? Where's the exploration? Where's the one captain, one ship? Basically, where is Star Trek?

    They should have made the game based on Judgement Rights!
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  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    solomace wrote: »
    Where's the content? Where's the exploration? Where's the one captain, one ship? Basically, where is Star Trek?

    They should have made the game based on Judgement Rights!

    This pretty much sums it up.

    I used to think of Star Trek, as having a Captain, and 1 ship to command. The Captain and crew become "attached" to that ship, and stick with it for as long as possible (unless destroyed or decommissioned).

    Sadly, there is no realistic way of going through the ranks of Ensign through Vice Admiral, using your trusty Miranda Class, and still have it be "somewhat effective" as a Vice Admiral. Cryptic created scaling content for the Missions (scales to your level). Sadly, they don't seem as interested to allow your ship to level up alongside your Captain. The ship is essentially an extension of your Captain, so it would make sense for it to level with you.

    Star Trek Online has:
    - Endless combat
    - Lockboxes
    - Grind mechanisms
    - Broken crafting system
    - Broken pvp system
    - Unintuitive UI and tutorials
    - Oversized interiors
    - Meaningless ship interiors
    - An abundance of currencies (What happened to the currency-squish of 2011?!?)

    Star Trek Online doesn't have:
    - Proper exploration (Seek out new life, and new civilizations)
    - Proper Diplomacy (10 XP per diplomacy + DOff assignments isn't proper)
    - Competitive pvp system
    - Balanced gameplay
    - Realistic (within gameplay) interiors/exterior environments
    - Social activities such as Poker and U'shaan'tor (dueling)

    Just looking at the list above, what STO has far exceeds what it doesn't have. Problem is, what it doesn't have, is also what makes Trek, more like Trek.

    Season 6 will be the end for me, not about to hang around for 5 months on the off chance that they -might- make some actual story content, and progress the storylines of the game. I suppose given tradition in Star Trek, Season 7 will likely be the last if they continue down this path.

    Wasted opportunity.
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  • sparhawksparhawk Member Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    My short answer to the topic question: no.
  • rheatitanrheatitan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    when the new "content" includes stuff like go kill 30 weak tholians to get their data pads and just kill 50 of them to "thin out the numbers" the game has really stopped being star trek!
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    You know... This question is asked almost every season since season 3...

    The answer is no... The ones who will save STO is us.. We are the ones who have to keep STO going... The minute we loose interest in the game, it dies.

    To prevent that, it's cryptic of cause who have to make sure that dosen't happen.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • mazikenmaziken Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I had just bought and started in on Secret World about a week before Season 6 launched. I have yet to play Secret World again since the Season 6 launch. Granted, I always play STO and had heard good things about Secret World, but Season 6 has just brought so many neat things for me to do that I've kept myself busy in STO even with the Foundry being down.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    meurik wrote: »
    This pretty much sums it up.
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    Wasted opportunity.

    This. Best post describing STO.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ya, I may also take a break- season 6 is SO broken, and has crippled the rest of the game.

    The last straw has been 'The vault'- IF a run ends after the event ends then dilithium is rewarded instead of a datalog. If it's not bad enough that it takes 5 minutes to que up for the first run the last one must be started at least 10 minutes before the event ends. In 3 events I managed to score ONE datalog (and 2 dilith awards) where I used to score 4 per event. It also appears to have some kind of sliding difficulty scale as scorpions spawn like crazy lately.

    Then there's the Tholian ground grindfest, the broken mines, broken foundry, rubberbanding, map zoom issues, new lockbox spam, and Tholian spiders that spawn faster and at more random locations than the Borg on Defera.

    I'm sure the list is endless but these are my favorites.
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  • hawks3052hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The game is more unstable then ever. I have a serious lag since Season 6.

    Big problem Season 6 caters to the big fleets with many mebers, small fleets get under the car. This season has promise, but won't solve the long term problem that STO has to less content in itself to keep somebody occupied for long.
  • foxfire2000foxfire2000 Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    To answer the op question........NO!!!
  • abyssinainabyssinain Member Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    From what I've seen, cryptic took a perfectly good update and ****ed it up so hard that the season can be accurately called a 'flop'

    I was a tribble tester like many others, and what I saw in season 6 plainly excited me greatly, I thought it was the best update ever to come to ST:O.

    I was excited for the new fleet ships, the new gear, upgrading my star base, even for the grind a little bit.

    and then Season 6 launches...

    After struggling to log in, I find everything to be... broken!

    I find that the fleet ship that I was once very excited for, now costs 2000 zen to even touch!

    Then, the tholian event, which was a GREAT fleet mark generator, gets it's fleet mark rewards time-gated!

    Finally, now I have to spend 5 contraband and wait 4 hours for my dilithium!

    What the **** were you thinking Cryptic? You STILL haven't fixed a large majority of the bugs.
  • rdm1958rdm1958 Member Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    solomace wrote: »
    So I see a lot of long time returnees have come back to the STO forums, so I can only guess that they haven't been playing much or posting much, but have come back because of the delights of season 6.

    I'm curious to know, that is 6 the DBs? Will it be the saviour of STO and that with fleet bases, they have finally cracked it?

    Will the haters (like me), start to become less and less and STO finally rises from the pits it's been in and become a "must play" game?

    Will Secret Wars, Guild Wars 2, LotR,TOR, DCUO, all be looking over their shoulders now?

    Can bases keep the fan base occupied until season 7?

    So far, all I am reading is that people feel like they are getting fleeced and then fleeced again, with a final topping of fleecing.

    If your not getting fleeced, then I'm reading it's the long, dark, boring route of grind, grind, grind.

    So, I repeat, is 6 all gravy? Has Dan kept his initial word that QC and testing will be better than before?

    Dooommmmm....

    i have only been playing for a few months. i think the game is great and think that for every person you see complaining a dozen are content. for example, look at new ships that come out. the minute they are available you see 100's of them, like the armitage and caitlan.

    since season 6 started it seems like everyone is playing and i think most people really like what they are seeing. i was going into queues when 6 started and there were thousands in them waiting. i noticed last night where ever i went the crowds were big.

    may STO live long and prosper!
  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    rdm1958 wrote: »
    i have only been playing for a few months. i think the game is great and think that for every person you see complaining a dozen are content. for example, look at new ships that come out. the minute they are available you see 100's of them, like the armitage and caitlan.

    since season 6 started it seems like everyone is playing and i think most people really like what they are seeing. i was going into queues when 6 started and there were thousands in them waiting. i noticed last night where ever i went the crowds were big.

    may STO live long and prosper!

    Hmm, nice sentiment, however just like me, you don't have a shred of proof about how many are actually content. For all you and I know, the game is dying with PWE trying to get as much cash as possible from a "gullible" fan base (be it only 10% that pays), before their real baby, NWN comes out.

    100s of new ships, possibly, but how do you know they're not payed for by lifers Stipend? Even then 100s, is that all?

    As you say, you have only been playing a few months, well every season release, the game is flooded with returnees hoping the game has change. As with every season, many leave within a few weeks.

    Just have a look around the forums, they are not exactly jumping for joy about 6 are they?

    And before the CDFers come on and talk about minority of people post on the forum, blah blah blah, I usually counter that with saying, how do we not know that the forums are not a reflection of people playing the game? Just because they don't post, doesn't mean they're not just as unhappy as others...
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    solomace wrote: »
    Hmm, nice sentiment, however just like me, you don't have a shred of proof about how many are actually content. For all you and I know, the game is dying with PWE trying to get as much cash as possible from a "gullible" fan base (be it only 10% that pays), before their real baby, NWN comes out.

    100s of new ships, possibly, but how do you know they're not payed for by lifers Stipend? Even then 100s, is that all?

    As you say, you have only been playing a few months, well every season release, the game is flooded with returnees hoping the game has change. As with every season, many leave within a few weeks.

    Just have a look around the forums, they are not exactly jumping for joy about 6 are they?

    And before the CDFers come on and talk about minority of people post on the forum, blah blah blah, I usually counter that with saying, how do we not know that the forums are not a reflection of people playing the game? Just because they don't post, doesn't mean they're not just as unhappy as others...

    So basically you're countering an assumption with an even bigger assumption?
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  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012
    solomace wrote: »
    So I see a lot of long time returnees have come back to the STO forums, so I can only guess that they haven't been playing much or posting much, but have come back because of the delights of season 6.

    I'm curious to know, that is 6 the DBs? Will it be the saviour of STO and that with fleet bases, they have finally cracked it?

    Will the haters (like me), start to become less and less and STO finally rises from the pits it's been in and become a "must play" game?

    Will Secret Wars, Guild Wars 2, LotR,TOR, DCUO, all be looking over their shoulders now?

    Can bases keep the fan base occupied until season 7?

    So far, all I am reading is that people feel like they are getting fleeced and then fleeced again, with a final topping of fleecing.

    If your not getting fleeced, then I'm reading it's the long, dark, boring route of grind, grind, grind.

    So, I repeat, is 6 all gravy? Has Dan kept his initial word that QC and testing will be better than before?

    Dooommmmm....

    There's a Secret Wars game? Nevermind. Season 6 is here to stay, so you may as well get with the program, or get outta the way.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Eh, it's not going to be the "Savior". Let that be Season 8 or 9. Season Six is however a very good, large step in the right direction.

    Attitudes have been slowly getting worse ever since the 2800 released, and this is the first time they've been mostly optimistic. (In spite of all the changes, not all for the better)

    It finally feels like stuff is happening. I hope that we can leave behind the Year of Hell, the May of Woes, and the Season of Lockboxes for good. We shouldn't get too optimistic and start dancing songs of joy around a maypole just yet, but it shouldn't be all doom and gloom either.

    We're in a new season, so there's plenty of room for horribleness, but keep in mind there's a lot of room for improvement and good as well.
  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    walshicus wrote: »
    So basically you're countering an assumption with an even bigger assumption?

    Hmmm. Yup...;)
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  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Season 6 is here to stay, so you may as well get with the program, or get outta the way.

    Lol. They must love you at Cryptic m8.:) Get with the program... That's exactly what it's like isn't it. "It's the only Trek MMo we will ever get, so we gotta love it"... Say's the fans that except anything...

    Have you seen the film They Live? Watch it, you might learn something ;) (forget about the 40 mins fight behind the bins:eek:)
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  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    "Lead, follow, or get out of the way"

    I concur with solomace here. Cryptic/PW are the ones doing the "leading", while most of us are sheep that blindly follow along. The sheep who actually stand up, and think for themselves, get trashed by the other sheep, telling us to "get out of the way". That's not how a free and open democratic society works. Everyone is free to voice their opinions, no matter if it's positive or negative. And anyone who listens (or reads, as the case of being in a forum), is free to agree or disagree with said opinion.

    Season 6 is the "beginning of the end", just wait and see... It's certainly not the "second coming", or "a new beginning".
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  • aveldraaveldra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    STO is it's own creature, there's really nothing like it out there or else I'd be playing it instead. This game offers fastpaced combat and action for space battles. It's got an active combat system unlike most MMOs right now. All the upcoming MMOs are great and all but who really offers a game that lets you control large spaceships and shoot stuff in a fastpaced level?

    I've beta tested and bought some of those games you listed and with exception to GW2, STO just hits that spot when it comes to keeping me from falling asleep on the keyboard waiting for cooldowns and napping in between button presses.

    For all the faults and criticism lobbed at this game true as they may be, this game is here to stay for so long as no other company with AAA funding and talent is willing to make a sci-fi action game with spaceship combat.

    I can't imagine myself leaving this game until the above happens. We should all hope that STO continues to grow and with that catch the attention of big name gaming companies that can take this type of sci-fi MMO to the next level. If anything the success of this game will determine the future of MMOs like this.
  • solomacesolomace Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    aveldra wrote: »
    If anything the success of this game will determine the future of MMOs like this.

    Do you hear that? Beep.Beep.Beep. That's the sound of STO on life support.

    The game is not successful, never has been successful and because of the Cryptic brand, will never be successful.

    When I listen to other non STO only gaming podcasts, they always seem to laugh at Cryptics name, not just because of their reputation, but because of the business plan, both before and after PWE. The same can be said for the many different gaming forums.

    They're known as a small (smaller than the average Starbucks:P) company, that create fast, shallow, content light, excellent customisation,double dipping games. If it wasn't for PWE coming in, NWN would have been released months ago as a different game, that I bet was just CO and STO combined with a D&D paint, slacked on it...

    So, STO can never be successful, simply because Cryptic and Now PWE are attached to it. Mud sticks and I think they are truely hoping that they can redeem themselves with NWN and get back to having a decent name like when they made COH.

    If anything STO has set back the space genre and ask yourself a serious question, if this was Space Trek online, with different ships, none of them "Star Trekky", would you still play? Even the hard nose CDFers would be hard pressed to say "yes, I love Space Trek online, give me more lock boxes and grind please."...

    Shesh, I don't like em do I?:o. They shouldn't have messed up my IP then...
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  • proteus22proteus22 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i beta tested both this game and dc comics online bought both before release and abandonded the dc game after 3 weeks after launch it just too much of a headache to play. this game while it has had its problems but at least it has been playable from get go.
  • jkstocbrjkstocbr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    After a few days, I am back to boredom actually. What is there to look forward now? A good sleep until Season 7?
  • foxfire2000foxfire2000 Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    meurik wrote: »
    "Lead, follow, or get out of the way"

    I concur with solomace here. Cryptic/PW are the ones doing the "leading", while most of us are sheep that blindly follow along. The sheep who actually stand up, and think for themselves, get trashed by the other sheep, telling us to "get out of the way". That's not how a free and open democratic society works. Everyone is free to voice their opinions, no matter if it's positive or negative. And anyone who listens (or reads, as the case of being in a forum), is free to agree or disagree with said opinion.

    Season 6 is the "beginning of the end", just wait and see... It's certainly not the "second coming", or "a new beginning".

    BINGO!!!.

    And what makes all this much more worse is that Star Trek has 46 years of ideas behind it, yet we get this empty game which suffers from serious lack of content and has turned into nothing more than a grind feast, that seems to have been left to just limp along in the hope that a unending supply of FTP players will join up and buy from the store......in the short term that will no doubt work for them, but with the game going nowhere how long before that supply of FTP players get bored and leave and are not replaced.

    Very short sighted of PW and a view i think will bite them in the TRIBBLE real soon....and that is a shame because this game in parts is so unique and could be the best MMO on the market simply because of the source material......but it feels Star trek online now is part of the franchise from way back in 2003, where the franchise across the board was dying a death, TV show was dead, film franchise was dead, and nobody wanted the gaming franchise.......all due to TPTP thinking they could produce any old tat and Trek fan would lap it up....and as they found out that does not work.

    It's a bloody shame, it really is.
  • tetonicatetonica Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    For myself, I'm left feeling very disappointed with this release. While it does have potential, I grow tired of burning through the same 15 minute duration content over and over for meager rewards that, in the end, will only let me blow through the same content faster.

    I dunno, I guess I just don't do well with mindless tasks. I would personally prefer to have these stf's take 30-60 minutes and double to quadruple the rewards which would IMO help offset the repetitiveness a lot.

    I'm currently considering going back to Eve and coming back to see what happens once season 7 launches
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  • andomiindandomiind Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    As sum already stated, I play just because it is Star trek
    I can only speak for my self and my form of " Trekkie " 'ness,
    I for one is very passionate & caring about my world of star trek,
    unfortunately I live in a country that does not have any conventions
    or gatherings around sci-fi or star trek,
    but I would imagine that its hard to find any other fan base that is
    so caring and open minded than Trekkie's.
    As I wrote before and said this makes me very forgiving,
    specially when it comes to star trek online.
    Allow me to be blunt and straight forward,
    the only thing you have going for you is, that it is star trek,
    for bad or worse, only platform we can enjoy the world together.
    So many faults and under par I dont even know where to begin.
    But you " perfect world " have an opportunity to boldly go,
    where no man gone before.
    If you reach out to us and make the new generation of sci-fi gaming,
    with us and along side us,
    for what is needed here is to start outlining Star Trek Online 2 !
  • atomicfbatomicfb Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    No content release or MMO is ever perfect. There is no "best mmo evar".

    Like it or not at least season 6 adds to the game. Is it the best season? No, neither were any of the others.

    The point is , it really doesn't matter one way or the other because either you play the game cause you like it or you don't.

    In any mmo there will always be "haters" and "fanboys" regardless of the subject matter. I love playing Star Trek Online because it is Star Trek and I have fun while playing. It doesn't matter what other people think. Do they have good points? Yes. Can the game improve? Yes. Will everyone like the improvements? No.

    For me, I will keep playing STO as long as I am having fun and when I stop having fun I will stop playing.
  • rdm1958rdm1958 Member Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    some good posts here. i play STO because i have been a Star Trek fan since 1966 (i believe that is the TOS start year).

    i really like the game and hope for continual improvement.
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