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So lockbox ships get buffs, but for C-Store we have to pay double!

trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
OK, so this gets me:
Updated the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, Cardassian Galor, and Ferengi D'Kora so they have bonus HP, bonus shields, and an additional console slot so they are competitive with the fleet ships.

and from the Priority One Shipyard interview we have that we need to buy C-Store schematics for higher tier ships and own C-Store ships (for the console and skin) to get an upgraded C-Store Fleet ships. So does this mean, we have to buy the C-Store ships, grind up to a Tier 5 shipyard and be at the grace of our fleet to build us a Fleet ship with our C-Store Ships Schematic to get our Fleet tier ship? That is at as much as $25 for the base ship, time and another who knows how much for the schematic, possibly putting the ship value at over $30 of our fleet doesn't end up stealing the schematic for the greater good of the fleet?

I would love an explanation, please. I already bought most of the high end ships.
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  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    My guess would be so that the lockboxes become more prized and so more people inclined to spend loads of cash to buy master keys to try and obtain one.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    All I want is for those lockboxes to do kinetic damage to the enemy, when I space them.
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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'm really not happy with being made to pay extra to upgrade ships I already paid for. :(
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  • dant158#3249 dant158
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    edited July 2012
    Honestly, I stopped being baffled by some of the stupid decisions made by cryptic with respect to balance a long time ago.
  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    trhrangerxml wrote: »
    I would love an explanation, please.

    It's a big pile of bull made specifically because Cryptic doesn't care about you unless you're gambling on lock boxes?
  • article001article001 Member Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    All I want is for those lockboxes to do kinetic damage to the enemy, when I space them.

    a new lockbox that has a chance to drop a lockbox firing lockbox cannon . . . brilliant!
  • adampdreschadampdresch Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Someone with video editing skills, should get that scene from Nemesis where the wing of the Valdor ship hits the enterprise' shields

    Replace it with a lockbox lol
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Yeah, awesome. I can't get the T5 Excalibur/Exeter-kitbash I basically wanted since before the game was released (even though at that time it still was a Constitution/Excalibur-kitbash) and I can't upgrade my Excelsior to a fleet ship. I have absolutely no reason to play season 6. Guess I'm going to work on my perfect Dragon Age playthrough while I wait for the next featured series.
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  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited July 2012
    The real kicker is a different one. The lockbox ships get their upgrade for free when s6 comes out. Everyone else has to spend a long time working for their upgraded ships.

    Balance once more kicked in the family planing.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited July 2012
    I'd be fine with paying dilithium or fleet marks for my Galor upgrade but I also think it's wise not to leave ships people spent hundreds of dollars on average to obtain in the dust.

    Fewer ships being upgraded or being upgradeable is not a good thing. More ships being upgradeable is good.

    I'd like to see solutions for the Excelsior, the Dreadnaughts, the Kar'fi, and the Atrox as well.
  • foundrelicfoundrelic Member Posts: 1,380 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lostusthorn wrote: »
    The real kicker is a different one. The lockbox ships get their upgrade for free when s6 comes out. Everyone else has to spend a long time working for their upgraded ships.

    Balance once more kicked in the family planing.

    SO what? WHen S6 hits my Jem'Hadar attack ship magically gains these new boosts?


    As long as I don't have to buy a **** ton of master keys to get a new one, Being in a fleet kinda means I'm already going to be set for the T5 boosted vessels which means only a time investment.
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    foundrelic wrote: »
    As long as I don't have to buy a **** ton of master keys to get a new one, Being in a fleet kinda means I'm already going to be set for the T5 boosted vessels which means only a time investment.

    To get some of the more advanced Fleet ships your going to need some kind of a crafting schematic which you need to buy in C-Store, was mentioned in Priority one interview.
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  • superherofansuperherofan Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Whoever made these design decisions should be fired. It just pisses me off to no end this whole system.
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Well this is good news.

    Everyone who's pissed now. Imagine how much more pissed you'd be if you'd sunk $200+ just to get one of these only to find out they're going to be outclassed by a ship that could cost cumulatively no more than $40-ish.

    As much as this is going to TRIBBLE balance over in the short term, in the long haul things will even out.
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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I think it shows just how much of an omnishambles Al Rivera's ship system really is.
  • superherofansuperherofan Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I know PVPers are going to scream at me, but if the only reason to pick up a c-store ship is to to get the new skin and a console, then the consoles should have their cooldowns greatly reduced. Otherwise, seriously, what's the point of paying the money for these? Except for the Plasmonic Leech, I don't really even use the c-store consoles, since a single power used once every three minutes just doesn't do it for me.
  • maddog0000doommaddog0000doom Member Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    wow i dont see why everyone is crying.

    so what the lockbox ships are not being left behind boohoo you have to play in a fleet to upgrade cstore ships. whats the problem
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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    maddog0000doom wrote: »
    wow i dont see why everyone is crying.

    so what the lockbox ships are not being left behind boohoo you have to play in a fleet to upgrade cstore ships. whats the problem

    Because the word is we need to pay extra in order to actually upgrade such ships?
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  • maddog0000doommaddog0000doom Member Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    alexraptorr wrote: »
    Because the word is we need to pay extra in order to actually upgrade such ships?

    yes u need to pay fleet credits not cpoints it doesnt cost u anything
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  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Listen to Priority One Shipyard special, some ships will be made with fleet credit, some you will need to buy a schematic from the C-Store.
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  • thepleasuredomethepleasuredome Member Posts: 308
    edited July 2012
    fulleatherjacket wrote: »
    They didn't get that big a buff. The D'kora and Galor now have 3 science consoles instead of 2. Those are dump slots anyway.

    Except that the bug ship, the best escort in the game, got a buff of like 3k shields, 2k hull and another tactical console slot (to 5 slots). And one only got that ship by paying lots of cash or hundreds of millions EC.

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  • thepleasuredomethepleasuredome Member Posts: 308
    edited July 2012
    trhrangerxml wrote: »
    Listen to Priority One Shipyard special, some ships will be made with fleet credit, some you will need to buy a schematic from the C-Store.

    It sounded to me like *all* fleet ships from the starbase will need a C-store token as well as crafting materials in order to be acquired.

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  • brodie0854brodie0854 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The c-store schem is only for ships on the c-store.
    If you already have that ship, if its one you have already bought you dont need to buy the schem.
    Its just there to stop people making c-store ships without buying them on the c-store.
    It's actually quite a good system.

    For Example, I have the Defiant, i bought it from the C-Store. When i want to make the fleet upgraded version i will not need to buy the schem as i have already unlocked the schem because i have bought the ship on the c-store.

    But If i didnt have the Defiant, if i'd chosen not to buy it from the C-Store. If i wanted to make a fleet upgraded version of it i would need to buy the schem (probably the same price as the original ship and comes unlocks the basic ship also).

    Listen to the priority one interview again. its stated quite clearly.
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We need a fraggen transcript of that episode or a dev to clear things up.
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The fact that IF I have to use C-Points (or grind a TRIBBLE amount of dilithium to convert to Cpoints) to upgrade my c-store ships then it will be the greatest BUYERS REMORSE ever recorded.


    It will be a precedent that any ship you pay Cryptic for will, in the future, be used as yet another mean to get cash from you otherwise you'll see your initial investment become mostly worthless.

    I would not purchase any cstore ship if the existing cstore vessels are not upgraded at the very least in bridge officer stations.
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  • dant158#3249 dant158
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    edited July 2012
    The point that these ships will get a totally free upgrade with the S6 launch is a real kicker... Every other fleet ship will take months and months of grind to even unlock... Then you have to buy them!

    I would also complain about ships that people have spent real money on becoming outclassed being a bad business practice, but Cryptic just doesn't seem to care :rolleyes:
  • ebeneezergoodeebeneezergoode Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Considering the time and/or money some folks invested in getting the lockbox ships, why shouldn't they be kept at parity? I don't understand the anger towards this decision. Unless you don't have the regular version of a Fleet ship, like say the Scourge Destroyer, it's my understanding (as somebody already posted) that it's just a grind to trick it out, not another investment of C-points.
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Its not anger at the lockbox ships getting an upgrade. Its that the cstore ships are not getting the same treatment.


    Take for example the T5 Nebula. That ship has been nerfed nonstop and is now a useless TRIBBLE thanks to the way Cryptic destroyed science abilities and turned the game into a silly escort-centric DPS-only game. Its boff layout is now obsolete given the ships that have been released since and the ship itself is already behind in shield/hull stats (new escorts have literally the same hull/shield for all practical purposes). Where is the 'fleet' upgrade for that ship? It doesn't exist unless you pay to upgrade the damn thing. THAT is wrong and its nothing more than a reason for buyer's remorse when it comes to cstore ships.

    (not to mention its console is also completely useless in PVE and in PVP).
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  • dant158#3249 dant158
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    edited July 2012
    ebeneezergoode wrote: »
    I don't understand the anger towards this decision.

    Player A spends money on a ship. Player B spends money on a ship.
    Player B's ship gets buffed up to match fleet ships
    Player A has to grind for months to unlock the privilege of buying their fleet ship 'upgrade' for fleet credits.

    The source of the anger should be obvious.

    And just for the record, some people with the lockbox ships got them without spending a penny of real money.
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