even if you're not gonna, i say give Cryptic a break
this was a fan-requested ship for a good 2 years... they made it, and in their excitement, gave it to you right away. are a couple of minor issues really gonna ruin that?
answer = no
Complete agreement with your statement. Besdies any new class needs a shake-down before it goes on critical missions
I LOVE THIS SHIP. Now if only I can find someone will to train a bridge officer in gravity well at the LT position I wuill be in 7th heaven.
Man you guys will complain about everything. Nothing works 100% of the time, so it has a bug, big deal. I think they do a great job even if you guys complain about every little thing. If its so bad don't play, go some where else and play some perfect game. Every game has its bugs. The problem with you complainers is that you want everything now, instant fast food style and in perfect working order. its not possible with millions of lines of code. I know thats what testing is for but it does not always catch everything.
I think the new ship is great, good job
Personally I like the new ship, but I gotta chime in here.
People are absolutely allowed to (and should) complain about things they don't like. That's called feedback. If nobody complains, nothing gets fixed. Generally, people happy with the game state are less likely to post about it on the forums, that's normal.
The developers need to know the opinions of the unhappy just as much as the happy, so they can adjust their needs based on what they're hearing. The very nature of the MMO genre means that the game is a moving target with regards to what the community wants. Saying "don't play" doesn't work, because if people who are unhappy just left the game and didn't say why, the game would end up very lonely but the devs would think it's perfect.
Even if they look like they're just being angry for angry's sake, they're a necessary part of the process.
As I bought this ship before it was know of the Bug, I would like to suggest a slight refund of 400 CP to all who bought the ship prior to the bug being exposed, I am not mad at all, she is a great beautiful ship. Bugs happen but at 25 dollars and it not working, when it was not posted to a test server shows a draw back that should be fixed. But amazing ship I can only wait to use here in STF's
Personally I like the new ship, but I gotta chime in here.
People are absolutely allowed to (and should) complain about things they don't like. That's called feedback. If nobody complains, nothing gets fixed. Generally, people happy with the game state are less likely to post about it on the forums, that's normal.
The developers need to know the opinions of the unhappy just as much as the happy, so they can adjust their needs based on what they're hearing. The very nature of the MMO genre means that the game is a moving target with regards to what the community wants. Saying "don't play" doesn't work, because if people who are unhappy just left the game and didn't say why, the game would end up very lonely but the devs would think it's perfect.
Even if they look like they're just being angry for angry's sake, they're a necessary part of the process.
I certainly get what you are saying, but I don't see there being much of a process here. Cryptic admitted to the issue straight up and stated when it would be fixed. What exactly do the not all that descriptive EPIC FAIL! replies add in this case?
What could Cryptic have done better? More testing IMHO. On the flipside, they also could have not owned up to it, or not advised when there would be a fix, or delayed the ships release entirely. In that last scenario we would not be able to use it in STFs... or anything else in the game.
I agree that feedback is important to the devlopment and enjoyment of STO, but if it is not constructive (evil overlords, personal attacks on devs or other players, EPIC FAIL and the like) or proportonal we run the risk of not being listened to in the future.
So there are multiple bugs that need to be addressed with this ship:
1. can't take it into STFs
2. some have reported the console can not be used on other ships
3. can only use type 4 windows
4. some have reported scorpion and stalker fighters can not be used on it
5. phased polaron cannons can not be used on it
I see now that the PDS is only usable on the escort carrier. Due to that, I will not be buying this ship. Despite how nice it is, I will save my money.
Man you guys will complain about everything. Nothing works 100% of the time, so it has a bug, big deal.
Typically I would agree, but this is an End Game ship that can't do the End Game content (STFs), It is an Escort Carrier that can't use devices EVERY other Escort AND Carrier can use (Consumed-on-use fighters), combining the parts of the new ship with all the other variants makes for a crappy looking ship because of the size difference and the fact the parts don't line up. Not to mention that there are TWO test servers and it didn't make an appearance on either of them at all to actually test this thing (why do we have test servers again?). If there wasn't enough testing by the devs to notice it can't be used in STFs how did they test it, or did they?
Don't get me wrong, I am glad they finally added this thing, but a little testing would go a long way.
As a software UX designer/developer I have been part of major releases and patches on server-side software systems for the better part of a decade. These systems have 500,000+ active users hourly, so ensuring that QA catches issues is a financially motivated process. Think: your income will stop if this fails. Not everything is perfect though, and occasionally something slips through.
We call these 'unintended consequences' :mad: or as developers say 'undocumented features'. :
When these are discovered too late (ie customer experiences the issue), the question is ALWAYS financial. Do we live with it until a patch can be scheduled - or - do we roll everything back to the pre-update. In the case of an MMO or our software (security related), server roll-backs are insanely expensive due to downtime.
A patch, usually with 24-hours notice is fine for non-mission-critical updates. MC or Mission Critical constitutes a lot of different scenarios, but it always boild down to affecting your income.
Each time we get a new set of unintended consequences, we rewrite our launch check-list. That's right - we use an old fashioned check-list to ensure each new element doesn't impact another. For those of you who do not understand software - it isn't one giant program, but thousand of separate elements that play together. Now see that model duplicated across many interconnected servers, you can visualize the potential for error. Yes, we do have tools to track everything, but to be honest sometimes one little glitch can have a cascade failure across the system.
For some companies that little glitch can come from something they didn't expect: routine server OS updates, hardware with defective software, or even an overzealous developer who added something at the last minute. I've experienced it all and YES if I could avoided it, I would have.
Sometimes in the rush to deploy, the development team is pressured to deliver by the date they themselves have come up with. Never let a developer select the date. Let him propose it, then double it for good measure. (I expect a lot of flack for that comment, but reality bites).
Sometimes in the rush to deploy - little things we assume will work, we don't bother to test. In this case ti might be something as simple as a flag in a dbase enabling access to STF's or fighter types. You can't manually edit the dbase and propagate the change on multiple servers, so a patch is scheduled.
It's not the end of the world. Nobody dies.
If it happens again, then look to the QA team with a steely gaze, and carry a baseball bat in the office.
yes there are some things you can not use til they apply the fix tonight at midnight pacific time.... if you are so much of a fail player that you require scorpion fighters to be able to finish a mission then you do not need this ship to start with. if you guys would read the posts instead of just posting your own nerdrage you might have seen that yourself.
it is a game first and foremost i have said before and will say again if you do not enjoy it and get so filled with rage please find another game to play. i would assume and hope that most of the people who play this game are indeed adults and not spoiled children. being the 20th person in 7 hours to complain that you can not do a STF or use scorpion fighters does not make you look cool in fact it does the opposite.
yes there are some things you can not use til they apply the fix tonight at midnight pacific time.... if you are so much of a fail player that you require scorpion fighters to be able to finish a mission then you do not need this ship to start with. if you guys would read the posts instead of just posting your own nerdrage you might have seen that yourself.
it is a game first and foremost i have said before and will say again if you do not enjoy it and get so filled with rage please find another game to play. i would assume and hope that most of the people who play this game are indeed adults and not spoiled children. being the 20th person in 7 hours to complain that you can not do a STF or use scorpion fighters does not make you look cool in fact it does the opposite.
Yeah, you said right, it's a game. So which is the fun part in buying for 20 Euros a non functional ship? Please tell us.
They will put a new ship out every month, That is the intention stated by Sthall in an interview if I remeber well.
They just chose a ship to put out this month.
Yeah, totally non-functional. And I hate the part where they told us they wouldn't be fixing it ever.
I'm glad you do not mind coming home, waiting to buy the new ship, and after trying to convince yourself that it will be worth the money, 20 euros, you discover it's not. Yes, they said it will be fixed and probably will be. But next time you'll have to convince yourself harder to buy another new one.
2. some have reported the console can not be used on other ships
Certain thisis not a bug. The console does say "Heavy Escort Carrier" as the only type of ship that can use it.
It's not that odd. You can't use any of the other T5 refit ship consoles on other ships. The MVAM console being somewhat of the exception, since it can be used on the Advanced Escort, but that's only because the MVAE is just the Advanced with different console, and Boff layouts.
I see now that the PDS is only usable on the escort carrier. Due to that, I will not be buying this ship. Despite how nice it is, I will save my money.
Why would you expect it to be any different than any of the other T5 consoles?
Certain thisis not a bug. The console does say "Heavy Escort Carrier" as the only type of ship that can use it.
It's not that odd. You can't use any of the other T5 refit ship consoles on other ships. The MVAM console being somewhat of the exception, since it can be used on the Advanced Escort, but that's only because the MVAE is just the Advanced with different console, and Boff layouts.
it should be able to be used on the kitty carrier as well but is not
As I bought this ship before it was know of the Bug, I would like to suggest a slight refund of 400 CP to all who bought the ship prior to the bug being exposed, I am not mad at all, she is a great beautiful ship. Bugs happen but at 25 dollars and it not working, when it was not posted to a test server shows a draw back that should be fixed. But amazing ship I can only wait to use here in STF's
Something tells me that will not happen! Sorry man hate to break it to ya.
Heh, expect an emergency patch early next week that changes the description of the Armitage to :
"Not intended for use in STFs" and "Cannot equip Scorpion Fighters"
Heh, expect an emergency patch early next week that changes the description of the Armitage to :
"Not intended for use in STFs" and "Cannot equip Scorpion Fighters"
There, it's fixed!
Ummmm ... Fix comes after midnight Cryptic Time (PST)
The brand-new Federation Heavy Escort Carrier: Armitage Class is now available in the C-Store. Check out this Blog to read more about it, and this Blog for information on how to command a carrier.
And with it, another piece of KDF uniqueness is lost. Soon cryptic will say the KDF is dead and remove them entirely.
Really people i am amazed that the sto players will complain about anything and everything..
And klinks, just wow... You should be happy for continued game content in a free to play game. Also anytime anyone mentiones youre ships being OP its a huge fit by the entire KDF. I am proud to say that the FED's dont cry every time something happens for klinks that the FEDs dont get. Lets just ignore the fact that in carriers FED is only catching up and the KDF still has way more hangar toys then the FEDs.
This comes down to a very few things.. People who want something for free, people who want everything for the faction they play, people who wish to mantain some type of "advantage" that they think helps them in game. Might be time to grow up for the sake of the community itself and productiveness of the game.
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Complete agreement with your statement. Besdies any new class needs a shake-down before it goes on critical missions
I LOVE THIS SHIP. Now if only I can find someone will to train a bridge officer in gravity well at the LT position I wuill be in 7th heaven.
Personally I like the new ship, but I gotta chime in here.
People are absolutely allowed to (and should) complain about things they don't like. That's called feedback. If nobody complains, nothing gets fixed. Generally, people happy with the game state are less likely to post about it on the forums, that's normal.
The developers need to know the opinions of the unhappy just as much as the happy, so they can adjust their needs based on what they're hearing. The very nature of the MMO genre means that the game is a moving target with regards to what the community wants. Saying "don't play" doesn't work, because if people who are unhappy just left the game and didn't say why, the game would end up very lonely but the devs would think it's perfect.
Even if they look like they're just being angry for angry's sake, they're a necessary part of the process.
That is the entire point of the Tribble/Redshirt servers: To test.
I certainly get what you are saying, but I don't see there being much of a process here. Cryptic admitted to the issue straight up and stated when it would be fixed. What exactly do the not all that descriptive EPIC FAIL! replies add in this case?
What could Cryptic have done better? More testing IMHO. On the flipside, they also could have not owned up to it, or not advised when there would be a fix, or delayed the ships release entirely. In that last scenario we would not be able to use it in STFs... or anything else in the game.
I agree that feedback is important to the devlopment and enjoyment of STO, but if it is not constructive (evil overlords, personal attacks on devs or other players, EPIC FAIL and the like) or proportonal we run the risk of not being listened to in the future.
Just my 2CP.
1. can't take it into STFs
2. some have reported the console can not be used on other ships
3. can only use type 4 windows
4. some have reported scorpion and stalker fighters can not be used on it
5. phased polaron cannons can not be used on it
Anyone else have anything else to add?
Typically I would agree, but this is an End Game ship that can't do the End Game content (STFs), It is an Escort Carrier that can't use devices EVERY other Escort AND Carrier can use (Consumed-on-use fighters), combining the parts of the new ship with all the other variants makes for a crappy looking ship because of the size difference and the fact the parts don't line up. Not to mention that there are TWO test servers and it didn't make an appearance on either of them at all to actually test this thing (why do we have test servers again?). If there wasn't enough testing by the devs to notice it can't be used in STFs how did they test it, or did they?
Don't get me wrong, I am glad they finally added this thing, but a little testing would go a long way.
We call these 'unintended consequences' :mad: or as developers say 'undocumented features'.
When these are discovered too late (ie customer experiences the issue), the question is ALWAYS financial. Do we live with it until a patch can be scheduled - or - do we roll everything back to the pre-update. In the case of an MMO or our software (security related), server roll-backs are insanely expensive due to downtime.
A patch, usually with 24-hours notice is fine for non-mission-critical updates. MC or Mission Critical constitutes a lot of different scenarios, but it always boild down to affecting your income.
Each time we get a new set of unintended consequences, we rewrite our launch check-list. That's right - we use an old fashioned check-list to ensure each new element doesn't impact another. For those of you who do not understand software - it isn't one giant program, but thousand of separate elements that play together. Now see that model duplicated across many interconnected servers, you can visualize the potential for error. Yes, we do have tools to track everything, but to be honest sometimes one little glitch can have a cascade failure across the system.
For some companies that little glitch can come from something they didn't expect: routine server OS updates, hardware with defective software, or even an overzealous developer who added something at the last minute. I've experienced it all and YES if I could avoided it, I would have.
Sometimes in the rush to deploy, the development team is pressured to deliver by the date they themselves have come up with. Never let a developer select the date. Let him propose it, then double it for good measure. (I expect a lot of flack for that comment, but reality bites).
Sometimes in the rush to deploy - little things we assume will work, we don't bother to test. In this case ti might be something as simple as a flag in a dbase enabling access to STF's or fighter types. You can't manually edit the dbase and propagate the change on multiple servers, so a patch is scheduled.
It's not the end of the world. Nobody dies.
If it happens again, then look to the QA team with a steely gaze, and carry a baseball bat in the office.
...
we run the risk of not being listened to in the future.
Just my 2CP.[/QUOTE]
Did it ever happened in the past?
it is a game first and foremost i have said before and will say again if you do not enjoy it and get so filled with rage please find another game to play. i would assume and hope that most of the people who play this game are indeed adults and not spoiled children. being the 20th person in 7 hours to complain that you can not do a STF or use scorpion fighters does not make you look cool in fact it does the opposite.
Yeah, you said right, it's a game. So which is the fun part in buying for 20 Euros a non functional ship? Please tell us.
Yeah, when Cruiser drivers cried and got escorts nerf'd into the ground in the first 6 months of the game being live..
Well a lot of people asked for a T5 Akira....
So once every 3 years? that's a good average lol
Yeah, totally non-functional. And I hate the part where they told us they wouldn't be fixing it ever.
They will put a new ship out every month, That is the intention stated by Sthall in an interview if I remeber well.
They just chose a ship to put out this month.
I'm glad you do not mind coming home, waiting to buy the new ship, and after trying to convince yourself that it will be worth the money, 20 euros, you discover it's not. Yes, they said it will be fixed and probably will be. But next time you'll have to convince yourself harder to buy another new one.
Certain thisis not a bug. The console does say "Heavy Escort Carrier" as the only type of ship that can use it.
It's not that odd. You can't use any of the other T5 refit ship consoles on other ships. The MVAM console being somewhat of the exception, since it can be used on the Advanced Escort, but that's only because the MVAE is just the Advanced with different console, and Boff layouts.
Why would you expect it to be any different than any of the other T5 consoles?
it should be able to be used on the kitty carrier as well but is not
just like i said in my statement you read 4 words of two paragraphs. i even told you in my post it will be fixed in 7 hours.
And so I do not have the right to be disappointed? Ah, ok.
Something tells me that will not happen! Sorry man hate to break it to ya.
"Not intended for use in STFs" and "Cannot equip Scorpion Fighters"
There, it's fixed!
Ummmm ... Fix comes after midnight Cryptic Time (PST)
Ok, so then I expect them to change the description at midnight.
And with it, another piece of KDF uniqueness is lost. Soon cryptic will say the KDF is dead and remove them entirely.
Really people i am amazed that the sto players will complain about anything and everything..
And klinks, just wow... You should be happy for continued game content in a free to play game. Also anytime anyone mentiones youre ships being OP its a huge fit by the entire KDF. I am proud to say that the FED's dont cry every time something happens for klinks that the FEDs dont get. Lets just ignore the fact that in carriers FED is only catching up and the KDF still has way more hangar toys then the FEDs.
This comes down to a very few things.. People who want something for free, people who want everything for the faction they play, people who wish to mantain some type of "advantage" that they think helps them in game. Might be time to grow up for the sake of the community itself and productiveness of the game.