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Did anyone else think S'taass was a bad choice for the Klingon's representative at the talks in the new FE? I found it weird that he had such zealous devotion to the KDF and the Klingon's sense of honor.
We know through the games lore that the Gorn HATE being vassals of the KDF and they all harbor deep resentment from loosing the war. We also know how S'taass acts from the KDF tutorial (he's a schemer and badmouths the Klingon High Council and how they act).
So why the change in character? It would've been nice if S'taass was sarcastic and biting in his discussion about the KDF, but in all I think it would've been better for a KLINGON to represent the KDF. S'taass is not even technically on the council, he's the Gorn's ambassador.
Anyone else?
-Quiiliitiila
We know through the games lore that the Gorn HATE being vassals of the KDF and they all harbor deep resentment from loosing the war. We also know how S'taass acts from the KDF tutorial (he's a schemer and badmouths the Klingon High Council and how they act).
So why the change in character? It would've been nice if S'taass was sarcastic and biting in his discussion about the KDF, but in all I think it would've been better for a KLINGON to represent the KDF. S'taass is not even technically on the council, he's the Gorn's ambassador.
Anyone else?
-Quiiliitiila
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It bothers me because
1. The mission takes no consideration of allegiance or species. We see people arrive at DS9 and Klingon get a different beam down message than Fed players. So clearly the game can register who's who so it doesn't make any sense to me as a player why they didn't take the time to develop the mission in a way that it detects a players faction.
2. It proves that once again these Featured Episodes are simply Federation missions that Klingon characters are permitted to play. This is the norm, as at one point the Defera in one of the Breen Missions even thanked Starfleet after we saved their worthless neutral hides. Considering how short the mission is, and how outside of voice acting and dialog and the one conference map the mission could have been made in a day using the foundry, I think it's just sad that they didn't take the time to actually make a dedicated Klingon version. But that's what I've come to expect from Cryptic in regards to the Klingon Empire.
Maybe he was sent because he knew the Deferi Ambassador? Or maybe J'mpok wasn't keen on the idea of the talks at all, but didn't want to be seen to refuse them outright. So he sent S'taass because he reckoend that S'taass might make himself difficult for the other delegates and sabotage the whole effort?
His attitude to the player if they're on the KDF side would be a problem whether he was a Klingon, Orion or Gorn imo. Likewise, I outrank Captain Shon on my Fed characters. I wanted to order him to leave the room and let me handle the Starfleet end of things, rather than attempting to lecture me on Federation principles.
I absolutely see what you're saying and I agree, however it was S'taass's dialauge that annoyed me. It was not the fact that he was lecturing me on honor, that's fine. It wasn't even the fact that it was HIM that was there, that was fine too. It was the fact that he acted and spoke in such a manor that it portrayed him as a zealous KDF supporter. He seemed like the Klingon's loyal lapdog in the mission!
This annoys me because we know all of this lore about the Gorn and their feelings for the empire, we even know S'taass's personal feelings on the KDF, but now in this mission it's as if none of that mattered...
-Quiiliitiila
Yeah, he presented his case like he was a Klingon. Which may have fit the story arc, but didn't ring genuine to me either.
cyrptic missed a great opportunity. instead of a starfleet officer sending us on an errand (the way it was presented, my character was new to the station, why would you send somebody running around in unfamiliar territory?), they should have sent kdf toons to the kdf delegate who was waiting on his ship.
the delegate could have decided to stay on his docked ship, rather than stand, alone, in enemy territory. kdf players could have boarded the ship, met with the delegate, talked to the ship's crew to get intel on the station and starfleet forces there, and then got the doff missions from the delegate.
It made we want to carve a pair of boots from him Or possibly a Longcoat.
I do believe it could have been overcome if the wording of his dialouge was better written to display him as a representitive of the EMpire instead of giving him the lines a full Klingon warrior.
for example, " As a representative of the Gorn hegemonay , vassals of teh Mighty Klingon Empire, I agree with our allies that it is not the federations place to dictate the how and why of things........."
Such a dialouge idea would have betetr suited me.
If anything he should've been sent only as a servant or messenger of the Klingon Empire.
It never sat well with me having the Gorn, Nausicaan, etc incorporated into the KDF.
The Klingons would never have allowed that to happen. They would impose harsh taxes, conscription and exploit their homeplanets resources, but they would certainly not allow so many Gorn, etc on Qo'noS, unless as slaves.
When I first walked around the First City "it looked like Qo'noS" but certainly not as I expected it to feel. Everywhere I looked I saw the Gorn. Near the exchange there's a group of KHG Gorn!
Also, the Gorn and the Nausicaans would have been allowed to maintain their own military so long as it was in support of the KDF, like mercenaries. Those mini-factions should have had their own ranks e.g. Slavemaster, etc.
Having a Gorn, Nausicaan etc called by the same rank as Klinons just doesn't feel right.
I think of them like the various groups of non-german volunteers that joined the Waffen-SS in WW2. S'taass is most likely hated by many other Gorn for being a collaborator, and when they get their freedom back he'll probably be first against the wall.
He seemed to believe what he was saying yet all I could think was that he couldn't possibly believe what he was saying.
The day before the fall of gorn was he saying the same about his empire?
Anyways he redeemed himself by oneshotting the jemhadar assassin
It's been 6 years and unlike in previous cases the government was not executed.
On the contrary the Gorn got a non-voting seat on the Klingon High Council.
Since the government was not...disruptorly reorganised it's quite possible he
didn't start to rise to his current position after the Gorn surrender.
And given we know so little about the Gorn it might just be a case of Klingons and Gorn
being so very much alike in some way it doesn't really matter whether they send a Klingon
or a Gorn representative to deal with the Federation.
I can believe Nausicaan more than Gorn. Nausicaan's are mercs and would function well enough within the framework of the KDF to a certain extent. They'd have a glass ceiling, no doubt. But right now the entire KDF has a glass ceiling imposed on them by Cryptic anyways. But yeah, the Gorn were conquered. The dialog works better for an actual Klingon in that role.
I think though, that at some point someone just thought "Hey, the Gorn look cool and they're our new hotness within the KDF, lets use a Gorn" and that's how it got in with dialog that doesn't fit a Gorn.
Exactly what I'm saying... I can see all the possible reasons for S'taass to be in the role, but it just doesn't feel right.
Also as I said before, S'taass's dialogue in the KDF tutorial is completely different than this new FE dialogue. He LITERALLY downplays Klingon honor and speaks sarcastically about their politics. He comes off as scheming, sarcastic and it is obvious his thoughts on the KDF do not jive with the fellows that share the great hall with him. It was refreshing to talk with this S'taass after dragging through the dialogue with all the other Klingon KDF officers preaching honor and glory.
However, this S'taass (as i've said) is completely different in tone and actions! He went from the cool sarcastic "KDF supporter" to a true honor preaching KDF lapdog. It just isn't right.
-Quiiliitiila
Yeah I prety much felt the same way....
There are other established figures for that.
Not at least Worf.
Or may be the other way arround... may be they wantet to show the federation the middle finger by sending an unimportant jerk like him...
Of course, in all likelihood this probably isn't the case but it certainly would be an interesting direction to take. *WINK FREAKING WINK CRYPTIC*
Everyone in the empire knows that there's a lot of infighting going on and very violent and bloody political power plays- but the empire still needs to present a unified front to the feds.
S'tass quite obviously doesn't believe the talk about honor, since he's quite ready to violate it at the slightest notice- the doff missions he orders you to do are a good example of this.
It's quite clear that he's there because the council couldn't be arsed to send anyone else, but figured they might as well take advantage of the opportunity- and S'tass is nothing if not sly.
Actually I couldn't imagine a more boring decission than that one of the powers has been infiltrated AGAIN and they just cannot figure ways out to protect themselves. Even if it were just for the blood-test
Klingons respect strength and the series are full of examples of Starfleet being given the same respect as any Klingon when they prove themselves worthy in their eyes.
Previous missions hint at the fact that the Gorns are making pressures to be included in the High Council itself. They are not "slaves".
Gorn are probably the most sofisticated of the KDF races judging by their ships (science, etc..). They've also been around for a long long time even if their empire may have been in decline. They're no naussicans shock troops or w/e.
While his speech may seem superficially as "klingon" the main message is actually "You don't dictate strategy to the Klingon Empire". And implicitly "You don't dictate strategy to S'taass" (because he can run circles around your thick ridged klingon skull).
Many of the Diplomatic Doff officers are Gorn.
And finally, if you think he doesn't get to order you than challange him, he'd only bite your head off and spit out the remains. That's how KDF honor works not "i'm klingon i rule".
It was a brilliant choice to include him imo. It hints at a changing power balance within the empire - sorry klingon fanboys
Exactly, His speech was inconsistent with his place and history within the Empire.
I wonder why the Devs can not just make a branching dialouge for the FE's that changes based on faction and race to give the whole conversation at the conference a better flow that makes sense for a LG of the Empire and not just a fed gloss over?
Exactly!
I can understand what Dymor is saying, but no one's stated he shouldn't be there because he's a Gorn. It's because his dialogue's been written in a completely different manor than before. It is in fact NOT S'taass that is in the mission, but a copy/paste of his physical features and name. Everything character wise was thrown out the airlock.
But in my honest opinion, no Gorn would speak in such a way that S'taass did anyway...
-Quiiliitiila
Yup. I was pretty much fine with him after he leapt across the ENTIRE table and KOed that Jem'Hadar in one hit. Dat's mah boyyyyy.
He tussles good, but I'm also thankful I can heal/revive him.