A much as I have wanted the Steamrunner and Andorian battle cruiser in game, I am going to have to lean towards the T5 Akira. Since T3 specials for Excelsior and Nebula reapper at T5, another Akira makes sense.
i want the New Orleans class to but thats a hybrid of escort/cruiser IMO
Yeah, but when you consider that it's actually smaller than the Akira-class which is an escort in this game then it makes some sense for it to be one too.
We are working with Rademaker. But details still need to be worked out.
Current T5 Escort options include:
Andorian
Merian Class
T5 Akira
These are probably not the next ships on the schedule, but I would expect one of them soon. Eventually, we will probably see them all and more.
Please don't put that Merian in the game. In my mind, The Prometheus does not fit the Star Trek/UFP aesthetic. That Merian is even worse. Star Trek ships should not look like Daggers made to fast through space. Though the Nacelles on it are pretty awesome.
And Please, T5 Akira. With Tac LtC and Engy LtC options (or maybe uni LtC???). If Logan can make it work, merge the Fleet Escort Models and the Akira Models. Those ships are similar, structure wise, and would be awesome if we could mix and match their parts.
Yeah, but when you consider that it's actually smaller than the Akira-class which is an escort in this game then it makes some sense for it to be one too.
The T3 Fed Escort is bigger than the T3 Fed Cruiser.... >.<
The T3 Fed Escort is bigger than the T3 Fed Cruiser.... >.<
yep. the akira's proper place is at tier 4 or 5 natively. tier 3 for it is ridiculous, that would only make sense if it hadn't had a single refit for 40 years
Incidentally, I'd definitely want a tier 5 Akira. Maybe you could finally add those port and starboard torpedo launchers in too.
Maybe that could be implemented as a special console doing a torpedo spread power, but in 360 around the ship? That'd be like a variant of the point-defense turret, but with photons instead! xD
The T3 Fed Escort is bigger than the T3 Fed Cruiser.... >.<
Hell the New Orleans is smaller than the Intrepid. So, since we've now determined that size doesn't matter there shouldn't be an issue with having it as an escort.
At least then there would be a ship of similar design available to all three career profession.
Maybe that could be implemented as a special console doing a torpedo spread power, but in 360 around the ship? That'd be like a variant of the point-defense turret, but with photons instead! xD
Akiras are big ships. I mean, they're big ships. The game's got them decently scaled but they should be bigger. DS9 TM, I believe, is the only official source we have for data on the Akira's length and it places it at 464.43 meters. That makes it almost as long as an Excelsior (467 meters), longer then a Nebula (442 meters)..That makes the Akira what, the 5th longest canon Feddie ship? Sovereign, Galaxy, Ambassador, Excelsior, Akira?
She's a big ole' girl..with an hour-glass figure!
That makes her longer then even the tier 4 Science ships. Lol. Luna-class is 450 meters. Akira could be even bigger then 464.43 meters if we match the lifeboats to the Sovereign's. Then it'd be more like 490(!!!) meters.
That'd dwarf even an Excelsior. That's creeping up on the Ambassador. Lol.
We are working with Rademaker. But details still need to be worked out.
Current T5 Escort options include:
Andorian
Merian Class
T5 Akira
These are probably not the next ships on the schedule, but I would expect one of them soon. Eventually, we will probably see them all and more.
T5 Akira would be the obvious choice because the Artwork is already DONE, and demand for it is HIGH,
add a few slots and BOOM easy and fast C-Points / $
Merian Class from Rademarker.... honestly does not look like an Escort to me. More like a SCI Ship.
But if Rademarker says its an Escort, fine with me
How about a new Cryptic designed ship instead of refits?
A large percentage of people who play the game are Star Trek fans. As such they want to see the classic Trek ships make it into the game. That's not to say they don't also want to see some original ideas, but original ideas tend to be liked or disliked on a much more subjective scale then classic ships are. There has been plenty of ship hazing on the forum for many of Cryptic's designs.
Personally I'd rather see STO embrace it's 25th Century timeline and create all new things but, as I said above, there'd be very little nostalgia in the game for long-time Trek fans if they did that.
isnt the Steamrunner the Zephyr and Norway the Oslo classes? just slightly remolded like the Rhode Island variant of the Nova
Whilst it looks like you (Blasten_Blaster) are correct, it would still be nice to have the traditional Steamrunner and Norway classes. They should serve as escorts too. They're not big enough to live up to the size of the Akira.
Another potential option with them both; add an 'escort alternative'. Along with the Sabre, Rapier and Ushaan, we could have another choice of the Steamrunner, Norway and *insert ship name here*. Have them interchangeable. Everyone's happy.
Then we've just got to contemplate the Ambassador, New Orleans, Freedom, Niagara and Challenger classes (though it's only really the Ambassador I'd like to see).
i'd like to see the actual Norway and Steamrunner made into the tier 2 escort, wile the Saber becomes the default tier 1 ship. get rid of the Miranda completely, i cant imagine that thing being in service much longer after the dominion war, excelsior too. the excelsior would make a lot better tier 2 cruiser then a connie would though, that ship was been out of service 100 years before the game takes place.
the main thing about the akira, beyond even that it should have been at tier 5 natively at launcher, is that it already exists, the art assets are done, but could use a tough up. its simply a mater of copying the file with the ships stats, altering those stats accordingly, and putting entries for it in the ui. i could do it in under a minute on some of the games i've moded, sure it would be a bit more complicated here though.
so really it should be the akira AND something else
i'd like to see the actual Norway and Steamrunner made into the tier 2 escort, wile the Saber becomes the default tier 1 ship. get rid of the Miranda completely, i cant imagine that thing being in service much longer after the dominion war, excelsior too. the excelsior would make a lot better tier 2 cruiser then a connie would though, that ship was been out of service 100 years before the game takes place.
the main thing about the akira, beyond even that it should have been at tier 5 natively at launcher, is that it already exists, the art assets are done, but could use a tough up. its simply a mater of copying the file with the ships stats, altering those stats accordingly, and putting entries for it in the ui. i could do it in under a minute on some of the games i've moded, sure it would be a bit more complicated here though.
so really it should be the akira AND something else
people can like mirandas and connies and excelsiors, i like them too. that doesn't mean that they should be in game. its 2409, not 2309 or 2370. they chose the date the game takes place in, they should live with it, and only include the appropriate ships. designs from the early 24 century and on should be the back bone of whats in game, plus new designs from the 40 years since the last canon thing happened.
people can like mirandas and connies and excelsiors, i like them too. that doesn't mean that they should be in game. its 2409, not 2309 or 2370. they chose the date the game takes place in, they should live with it, and only include the appropriate ships. designs from the early 24 century and on should be the back bone of whats in game, plus new designs from the 40 years since the last canon thing happened.
One could also say that TNG, DS9, and Voyager used century-old ships in their series, and this time line is only 34 years past DS9. If 90+ year old ships worked in the series I don't think it's much more of a stretch to say they couldn't be outfitted with 25th century technology and go another 34 years.
I principle I agree with you, though. I would prefer that the game step away from the past and focus on the future but, as I said above, Trek fans aren't here to play 25th century Trek. They're here to live out 45 years of Trek geekdom.
One could also say that TNG, DS9, and Voyager used century-old ships in their series, and this time line is only 34 years past DS9. If 90+ year old ships worked in the series I don't think it's much more of a stretch to say they couldn't be outfitted with 25th century technology and go another 34 years.
I principle I agree with you, though. I would prefer that the game step away from the past and focus on the future but, as I said above, Trek fans aren't here to play 25th century Trek. They're here to live out 45 years of Trek geekdom.
which is why 2409 was a mistake. everything going on now could conceivably be going on in 2388, right after the hoberus star explosion, or even 2380 right after nemisis, and no one would have to suspend their disbelief when it came to the ship selection. and we could have an actual strong romulan empire, like there was throughout 45 years of trek.
We are working with Rademaker. But details still need to be worked out.
Current T5 Escort options include:
Andorian
Merian Class
T5 Akira
These are probably not the next ships on the schedule, but I would expect one of them soon. Eventually, we will probably see them all and more.
I'd like to throw the Ambassador into the ring. I believe that there is room for an Escort with an Engineering slant. The Nebula was originally going to be a cruiser before it was given to Science. Maybe we can get the Ambassador.
I am also sorely disappointed that you would consider releasing yet more ships before an Escort. We have still not had a single new Escort hull since the start of the game. Cruisers and Science ships have many more options.
How about a new Cryptic designed ship instead of refits?
I agree, I don't understand why so many like the Merian, it looks terrible. I browsed thru Rademarker's website.. lots of bleh. You see better designs from freeforms and kitbashes over at starhipmodelers.com
I'm still holding out for the andorian ship. Don't give me a rehash of another ship, we've got 3 defiants, 2 akiras and 2 prommes already. Give us some NEW please
The Ambassader as a escort? I don't think so, thanks.
which is why 2409 was a mistake. everything going on now could conceivably be going on in 2388, right after the hoberus star explosion, or even 2380 right after nemisis, and no one would have to suspend their disbelief when it came to the ship selection. and we could have an actual strong romulan empire, like there was throughout 45 years of trek.
But what you suggest defies *my* suspension of disbelief. You cant just crank out 30 new ships in 30 years. It takes time, a LOT of time to design something that complicated. There's a lot of on paper engineering to be done. And model testing, etc, before you ever actually make the first (but not last) prototype. And then you have to spend years testing the prototypes. And, really, don't give me that junk about "But its sci-fi, in the Future, things don't take that long" as a counterpoint. Good sci-fi fiction only breaks the rules it absolutely needs to break to make its futuristic setting work. Engineering large, complex things takes a lot of time.
Also, there's a lot of evidence (the mere fact that we did see century old ships in DS9 is one point of evidence), that Starfleet ships are modular and/or easily retrofitted with new tech. Why make new ships when you can just replace the guts of older ships?
I agree, I don't understand why so many like the Merian, it looks terrible. I browsed thru Rademarker's website.. lots of bleh. You see better designs from freeforms and kitbashes over at starhipmodelers.com
To be fair, The Vesta is very Starfleet like (if a little on the small side). At least it has a substantial secondary hull (unlike the Sovereign where the secondary hull is like a flap of skin connecting the nacelles to the saucer).
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Andorian!, the KDF already have a bunch of Alien ships as part of there Fleet why not let the feds have one other then the 300-400 year old D'kyr
i have to concur with the 2 abve its only fair and makes sense. the T5 Akira shoulda been done long ago assuming CBS OK'd it being T5
i want the New Orleans class to but thats a hybrid of escort/cruiser IMO
Yeah, but when you consider that it's actually smaller than the Akira-class which is an escort in this game then it makes some sense for it to be one too.
And Please, T5 Akira. With Tac LtC and Engy LtC options (or maybe uni LtC???). If Logan can make it work, merge the Fleet Escort Models and the Akira Models. Those ships are similar, structure wise, and would be awesome if we could mix and match their parts.
yep. the akira's proper place is at tier 4 or 5 natively. tier 3 for it is ridiculous, that would only make sense if it hadn't had a single refit for 40 years
Maybe that could be implemented as a special console doing a torpedo spread power, but in 360 around the ship? That'd be like a variant of the point-defense turret, but with photons instead! xD
Hell the New Orleans is smaller than the Intrepid. So, since we've now determined that size doesn't matter there shouldn't be an issue with having it as an escort.
At least then there would be a ship of similar design available to all three career profession.
Oooh, nice idea.
She's a big ole' girl..with an hour-glass figure!
That makes her longer then even the tier 4 Science ships. Lol. Luna-class is 450 meters. Akira could be even bigger then 464.43 meters if we match the lifeboats to the Sovereign's. Then it'd be more like 490(!!!) meters.
That'd dwarf even an Excelsior. That's creeping up on the Ambassador. Lol.
No we don't. The Thunderchild is no more a refit of the Akira then the tier 3 Excelsior is a refit of the Cheyenne.
By "Akira Refit", people want a tier 5 version of the ship. Like the Defiant-R, Nebula, Excelsior, Intrepid, Galaxy, etc.
I agree... I would love to have more than my delicious stalks and blue bottom for Andorian play...
Whilst you are at it, when will I get moving stalks on my head! I loved that in Enterprize... made Andorians look much more creepy.
How about a new Cryptic designed ship instead of refits?
T5 Akira would be the obvious choice because the Artwork is already DONE, and demand for it is HIGH,
add a few slots and BOOM easy and fast C-Points / $
Merian Class from Rademarker.... honestly does not look like an Escort to me. More like a SCI Ship.
But if Rademarker says its an Escort, fine with me
Personally I'd rather see STO embrace it's 25th Century timeline and create all new things but, as I said above, there'd be very little nostalgia in the game for long-time Trek fans if they did that.
Can we get a New Orleans or real Steamrunner/Norway? Also any progress on the Ambassador?
Another potential option with them both; add an 'escort alternative'. Along with the Sabre, Rapier and Ushaan, we could have another choice of the Steamrunner, Norway and *insert ship name here*. Have them interchangeable. Everyone's happy.
Then we've just got to contemplate the Ambassador, New Orleans, Freedom, Niagara and Challenger classes (though it's only really the Ambassador I'd like to see).
the main thing about the akira, beyond even that it should have been at tier 5 natively at launcher, is that it already exists, the art assets are done, but could use a tough up. its simply a mater of copying the file with the ships stats, altering those stats accordingly, and putting entries for it in the ui. i could do it in under a minute on some of the games i've moded, sure it would be a bit more complicated here though.
so really it should be the akira AND something else
And even better just hire the Rademaker guy and give him a greencard already.
This game needs more Devs to make more ships.
I kept my Miranda and I like it in the game.
people can like mirandas and connies and excelsiors, i like them too. that doesn't mean that they should be in game. its 2409, not 2309 or 2370. they chose the date the game takes place in, they should live with it, and only include the appropriate ships. designs from the early 24 century and on should be the back bone of whats in game, plus new designs from the 40 years since the last canon thing happened.
I principle I agree with you, though. I would prefer that the game step away from the past and focus on the future but, as I said above, Trek fans aren't here to play 25th century Trek. They're here to live out 45 years of Trek geekdom.
which is why 2409 was a mistake. everything going on now could conceivably be going on in 2388, right after the hoberus star explosion, or even 2380 right after nemisis, and no one would have to suspend their disbelief when it came to the ship selection. and we could have an actual strong romulan empire, like there was throughout 45 years of trek.
I'd like to throw the Ambassador into the ring. I believe that there is room for an Escort with an Engineering slant. The Nebula was originally going to be a cruiser before it was given to Science. Maybe we can get the Ambassador.
I am also sorely disappointed that you would consider releasing yet more ships before an Escort. We have still not had a single new Escort hull since the start of the game. Cruisers and Science ships have many more options.
I agree, I don't understand why so many like the Merian, it looks terrible. I browsed thru Rademarker's website.. lots of bleh. You see better designs from freeforms and kitbashes over at starhipmodelers.com
The Ambassader as a escort? I don't think so, thanks.
Also, there's a lot of evidence (the mere fact that we did see century old ships in DS9 is one point of evidence), that Starfleet ships are modular and/or easily retrofitted with new tech. Why make new ships when you can just replace the guts of older ships?