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I see we've been ignored again...

And unless these (http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2719) are going to be easier to get than a MACO set, I can rule myself out of ever owning on.

Any chance of another star ship design competition to do the new one? I mean, your game could do with a whole load more spaceships, C-store or not.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.

    dont suppose you could enlighten us to which one it is....(cough...Rademaker...cough...) ? :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    My instincts tell me it is the Aux Craft from the Odyssey. Which would be awesome. Because then I could have an alt that flies the aux craft of my main's ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    We know Mark Rademaker's Vesta was approved by CBS so I wouldn't be surprised to see on of his other ships make it onto the list as an escort.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sounds good to me. Can't wait. Thanks CaptainGeko...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.

    Time to start saving C Points then. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    hope we finally get the Steamrunner
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.

    doesn't have to be new, just let us use the akira at a proper tier! if cbs doesn't think it belongs there, i can prove its more powerful then any current tier 5 escort. it doesn't need to be anything fancy, just like the vorcha refit was really basic, but an engineering LTC station would be nice. the MVAM escort has a science LTC, fill the engineering niche too!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I'd rather have a Universal LTC, but a Engineering LTC would be nice too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    hope we finally get the Steamrunner

    Norway all the way!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    SeaCat wrote:
    dont suppose you could enlighten us to which one it is....(cough...Rademaker...cough...) ? :D

    Well he did say on his blog that the Vp for licensing at Cbs told him it was okay...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.

    Please. I've been stuck in my Fleet Escort since April of 2009. It's starting to smell.

    We've patiently watched while Cruisers and Science ships got at least 2 new hulls. We've watched while minor KDF races got ships. All the while our ships have been pushed back and pushed back.

    We are due a fair chance at a compelling new escort. The same fair chance every other captain had for their ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Can the klinks get an new escort? we only have one btw, in case u forgot ;). The raiders are nice n all, but wouldn't mind an KDF escort that doesn't turn on its heel. Thanks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    hope we finally get the Steamrunner
    Norway all the way!
    isnt the Steamrunner the Zephyr and Norway the Oslo classes? just slightly remolded like the Rhode Island variant of the Nova
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    There's nothing "slight" in the differences between the Zephyr and Oslo compared to the Norway and the Steamrunner. Both are hideous, while the Steamrunner and Norway are fantastic designs. Alex Jaeger knows how to design some sexy ships!

    Akira tier 5 cruiser/escort hybrid would just make my day. I'd be ecstatic.

    Tier 5 Akira

    32,000 hull
    0.9x shield modifier
    4 fore, 3 aft weapons slots (No dual cannons)
    450 crew
    Cmdr Tac, Lt.Cmdr Eng, Lt. Sci, Lt. Uni, Ens. Tac
    3 device slots
    4 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci consoles
    12 turn
    .18 Impulse Modifier
    60 Inertia
    +15 weapons power

    Special console can be one of the following:

    "Pulse-Fire Torpedo Volly"..Basically a built-in High-Yield III ability.

    "Peregrine Squadron"..Launches 3 or 4 "pet" Peregrines with light combat abilities. Similar to the Scorpion Fighters, but not a consumable.

    "Chain Reaction Pulsar" from Armada.

    Something along those lines.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    ramp4ge wrote: »
    (No dual cannons)

    So... yeah, No.

    Escort without dual cannons is no escort at all.

    Have fun with your dreams/fantasy of a Light Carrier though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Which is why I said Cruiser/Escort hybrid. Much like the Nebula is a Cruiser/Science hybrid.

    Akiras are big ships..They're 464.43 meters long. That's nearly as big as an Excelsior.. The idea of maneuvering that around for cannon runs is absurd to begin with.

    It'd be a cruiser with slightly less shields/hull, far more maneuverability, better speed, more weapons power, more tactical ability. For this, it would lose the dual cannons.

    It'd make a fantastic beam-boat escort. The Akira has probably the 3rd longest array elypse of any Federation ship, behind the Galaxy and Nebula. It should have very strong beams.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I'd like an escort 'based on' the technology found in the fek'lhri ships (that mean escort that looks soooo coooool). Would go nicely with the carrier...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    ramp4ge wrote: »
    There's nothing "slight" in the differences between the Zephyr and Oslo compared to the Norway and the Steamrunner. Both are hideous, while the Steamrunner and Norway are fantastic designs. Alex Jaeger knows how to design some sexy ships!

    Akira tier 5 cruiser/escort hybrid would just make my day. I'd be ecstatic.

    Tier 5 Akira

    32,000 hull
    0.9x shield modifier
    4 fore, 3 aft weapons slots (No dual cannons)
    450 crew
    Cmdr Tac, Lt.Cmdr Eng, Lt. Sci, Lt. Uni, Ens. Tac
    3 device slots
    4 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci consoles
    12 turn
    .18 Impulse Modifier
    60 Inertia
    +15 weapons power

    Special console can be one of the following:

    "Pulse-Fire Torpedo Volly"..Basically a built-in High-Yield III ability.

    "Peregrine Squadron"..Launches 3 or 4 "pet" Peregrines with light combat abilities. Similar to the Scorpion Fighters, but not a consumable.

    "Chain Reaction Pulsar" from Armada.

    Something along those lines.

    ah i see, a tactical version of the nebula. as for a special ability, id like to see a 4 torp spread 1s at once, 1 in each direction. if there is something in all 4 arcs, it will fire 4. only 1 enemy in 1 arc? only 1 will fire. no fighters please, carrier part isn't canon and there is no front shuttle doors
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    There are shuttlebay doors on the front. They're visible in ILM's model and in the orthographic views created by ILM from that model for Star Trek: The Magazine. They're actually labled in the article.

    As I calculated in the other thread, the doors are at least 1.5 decks tall, meaning they're at least 4.95 meters tall, even bigger if you use the DS9 TM's length of 464.43 meters (The above calculations were based on 440 meters/19 decks/3.3 meters/deck).

    You could fit almost anything short of a Danube thru those doors. Especially if Peregrines do indeed have folding wings. And for "heavy" traffic like Danubes, you use the back doors, which are substantially taller.

    S'more pictures of the front of the ship showing the shuttlebay doors.

    akirainaction.jpg

    The following are renders of the Lightwave model that was re-made by Paramount for DS9, and are canon. I believe this same model was used in more recent remasters of First Contact.

    akira_beauty.jpg

    akira_front.jpg

    And the following is from Alex Jaeger's concept art.

    akirafrontbluesketch1.jpg
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    its hard to tell whats going on in the front of the akira, but whats up front looks nothing like doors, all you can really see is 3 big windows. windows smaller then any launchables, and smaller then even an intrepid's magical always big enough shuttle bay. the saucer narrows down to 2 decks around the rim, so it might be tall enough for the ~18x~6 m Peregrine, but there just isn't anything door like there to launch them
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    If the Peregrine has folding wings, like the model would suggest (and would make sense considering it'd be impossible to land it without them, or a rack mount, or exceptionally tall landing gear), you could get a Peregrine down to 2.5-3 meters tall, and that would fit thru a 4.95 meter tall door. Again, assuming 440 meters/19 decks/3.3 meters per deck.

    Remember the doors are back a ways in the "notch". At least 8-10 meters back from the leading edge of the saucer. Back a few meters from the leading edge, the saucer is about 2.5-3 decks tall. The doors are about 1.5 decks tall. Like I said, you can fit most of Starfleet's small craft thru that, the exception being heavies like the Danube. A 4.95 meter tall door, you could even squeeze a Type-11 shuttle thru quite comfortably.

    But Mr. Jaeger does state that the forward doors are for launching smaller craft. I'm only assuming that a Peregrine has folding wings, but looking at the studio model and schematics, there is definitely a joint, and if the wings fold, they'd rest very neatly on the pylons that extend out to the wings.

    peregrine.jpg

    Said joint is also right at the spot that would allow the fighter to be flush-bottomed. Folding wings wouldn't be anything new to the confined space of a carrier. So it's not far-fetched by any means.

    It isn't canon, per-say, but they are on the models--both ILMs original and Paramount's Lightwave remake. And they're even labeled on the orthographic views from ST:M, which were rendered from the ILM model.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.

    Perfect!

    Glad to hear it CaptainGecko. We look forward to seeing hints and teases about it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    KoshiirRa wrote: »
    My instincts tell me it is the Aux Craft from the Odyssey. Which would be awesome. Because then I could have an alt that flies the aux craft of my main's ship.

    I hope not. Besides, I thought the Odyssey's aux craft was the new design for it's Captain's Yacht.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    i think the vfx guys looked at all his drawing and built the model not knowing what he intended the front end to be, thus it always confusing all that look at it and being a topic of debate. it doesn't look like anything door like, but it doesn't look like anything else familiar ether.

    the whole carrier thing is a little TOO much for this ship imo, there would be very little usable space inside for a ship that size with all the torpedo launchers and a hanger that stretches the length of the saucer. the hanger would also seriously compromise space for a vertical warpcore, unless it was off center, of there was 2 small cores in the catamarans. that all sounds a little overboard to me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.

    AKIRA REFIT! GO! :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    New fed escort is on the schedule. Hope to get it out in a few months.
    I know its probably going to be the Odyssey Aux Craft, but I'd *really* like to see a +1 Fleet Escort.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    ramp4ge wrote: »
    Which is why I said Cruiser/Escort hybrid. Much like the Nebula is a Cruiser/Science hybrid.

    Akiras are big ships..They're 464.43 meters long. That's nearly as big as an Excelsior.. The idea of maneuvering that around for cannon runs is absurd to begin with.

    It'd be a cruiser with slightly less shields/hull, far more maneuverability, better speed, more weapons power, more tactical ability. For this, it would lose the dual cannons.

    It'd make a fantastic beam-boat escort. The Akira has probably the 3rd longest array elypse of any Federation ship, behind the Galaxy and Nebula. It should have very strong beams.
    You realize the Negh'Var and Vor'cha Refit (at base turns of 9 and 10, respectively) can mount Dual Cannons, and can be made to effectively use them, right? Surely your proposed Akira with a base turn of 12 could more than handle DCs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Bort1980 wrote: »
    I hope not. Besides, I thought the Odyssey's aux craft was the new design for it's Captain's Yacht.
    The Aux Craft is comparable in size to the Defiant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    We need an Akira refit up in here. Even if it handles like a fleet escort. The original Akira design was supposed to be as a support or carrier type cruiser, not an escort. The ships launched in the front and were recovered from behind, using the pylons as cover for their landings. Even if it had a single hanger bay that launched 3 Peregrine fighters, that would be great. Do the typical 4 / 3 weapon slots and make it based off of the Fleet Escort.
    I love the stance of the bird of Prey, so that was my main influence, to make a ship with an aggressive stance. I also wanted to make a carrier of sorts, more akin to the Galactica with fly-through shuttle hangers and I also loved the ‘roll bar’ weapons pod of the Excelsior. Therefore the bay doors are both front and rear and the weapons pod on the boom. There was considerable thought put into the placement of elements. Since we were going to flesh out one of these background ships for a close up I knew it would be scrutinized….and it has :) For more than 13 years!

    Now First Contact was my very first Art Directing job, before that I was a model maker in the ILM model shop. I was also only 22 years old at the time and was jumping head first into an already rich world deep in traditions fine artists and some hard science, so I was fully aware there were many eyes watching me very close. Waiting for me to fail…

    Thankfully I said my prayers and just focused on the task. So the design started with the overall shape layout. Then in order to start the details I needed to set the scale, so I started with the bridge and worked out from there. Set nestled between the catamaran split secondary hulls the bridge is nicely protected. Just on either side of the bridge in a notch on top of the secondary hulls are the shield generators. This further protects the command unit of the ship since one of it’s duties is launching smaller craft, communication protection is a must.

    At the back of the bridge there are emissary docking hatches and just below that the circular hatch is the captains lifeboat. The rear view at the back of the saucer is the main shuttle bay and shuttle control center. This area is also well protected tucked down between the hulls and below the weapons pod flanked by the Nacelles. This serves as a safe haven for the smaller craft in a fire fight and a calm entry point. Also in this protected center region are most of the sensor arrays fro the transporters and communications with theremainder of the sensors atop the weapons pod.

    Moving forward the notch in the front of the saucer is the forward launch bay doors(3). This is for the fast exit of small craft into battle. There are extra shield generators on either side of this notch as this would be a target for enemy ships. Surrounding most of the saucer section is the phaser array strip. Also on the saucer there are flanking torpedo launchers. At the rear of the saucer are the impulse engines. Underneath is the deflector dish, 2 flanking phaser arrays and a forward facing torpedo launcher. You’ll also notice that the

    Akira class utilizes the escape pods from the Sovereign Class, but the panel details more like the Galaxy class. That’s because I imagined this ship was commissioned right before the “E” and served as a testbed for the new escape pods.

    At the rear is the weapon’s pod with spreads of both photon and quantum torpedo launchers. And of course the warp nacelles. This overall design makes for a much more narrow side profile and a more friendly crew environment as the engineering folks are no longer in ‘the bowels’ of the ship :) Also the crew get a better view of their own ship as the split hull allows for more windows and a view of the bridge, something that’s not very common in the previous ship designs. I’m sure there are flaws (like I’ve heard there are too many torpedo launchers etc…) as the time frame to do this plus all the other work I had to do was very short, so some of these details evolved during that process.

    The overall design didn’t change much during the approval process, in fact I believe the note was “excellent shape! must see detailed!”. So here you go! The name Thunderchild was given to me by production and is named after the ship in H. G Wells ‘War of the Worlds’. And Akira of course is for the awesome anime of the same name. – Alex Jaeger
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