That would help explain why that mission was harder than it should be. From what I have noticed, the Cure space mission is running a lot more frequently than the Infected one.
I read the notes as meaning the no-torpedo-damage issue is something that is coming in, for unknown reasons, with the new patch. I never perceived it as not taking torpedo damage up to this point; but maybe it wasn't.
Any ship that has a special power will have that power adjusted to a console, and that ship will be given an extra console slot to accommodate it.
Many ships have been updated, but more are being converted.
These consoles have restrictions on which, if any, ships they can go on.
just checked the c store, the VA fed ships that this would effect still aren't there. the store in spacedock was not updated to reflect this to console change ether. i am DIEING to know what extra consoles these ships end up getting, can anyone at VA on tribble see these new stats somehow?
i can not stress enough how important it is for the galaxy retrofit to get a 3rd tactical console, i would love to use that as a dps cruiser, but the lack of that tactical console really hampers that. its only fare, the galaxy and it's counterpart the neg var has the same station setup, but the negvar has a 3rd tactical console.
the galaxy should get a 3rd tactical console, the intrepid should get a 3rd engineering console, and the defiant should get a 3rd science console.
* edit
oh wait this has yet to go live. ok, thought that maintenance this morning was this patch
just checked the c store, the VA fed ships that this would effect still aren't there. the store in spacedock was not updated to reflect this to console change ether. i am DIEING to know what extra consoles these ships end up getting, can anyone at VA on tribble see these new stats somehow?
i can not stress enough how important it is for the galaxy retrofit to get a 3rd tactical console, i would love to use that as a dps cruiser, but the lack of that tactical console really hampers that. its only fare, the galaxy and it's counterpart the neg var has the same station setup, but the negvar has a 3rd tactical console.
the galaxy should get a 3rd tactical console, the intrepid should get a 3rd engineering console, and the defiant should get a 3rd science console.
* edit
oh wait this has yet to go live. ok, thought that maintenance this morning was this patch
Correct. Also stressing the last part of your quote.
So, KDF officers will still not get any more Boffs as they level up? Kind of a ridiculous oversight if you ask me.
Agreed. How about retroactive boffs for those who already leveled but have crappy/no boffs? I need more boffs. The ones Cryptic sells in the store are utter TRIBBLE with the exact same powers over and over. Now that i'm max level the only powers i can slot on my few boffs are the trainer powers. oops
What about retroactive ship discounts for those who leveled too fast. My Vice Admiral is going to be stuck in a captain ship because there is no way in hell im buying c points to fly something i already paid for on holodeck. Unless these nasty bugs were in place to "encourage" more c-store purchases. That would make not making these fixes retroactive make more sense.
Here test this TRIBBLE. But do it with both hands behind your back while you grind. And as a thank you. You're stuck with TRIBBLE cause our fixes aren't retroactive. Happy Testing!
It's clear from all the updates in this release that you guys have been working hard. Thank you for that extra effort!
I'm happy to see some bugs that I've encountered, even minor "cosmetic" ones like the headshots moving out of frame, are being resolved. Polish is good! Having players start in RPG mode, all the DOff fixes, BOs trained with EC, Ship tokens (need a VA1 token), etc. All great fixes!
Questions:
1) You're making changes between Silver and Gold more evident on Tribble. Are we players going to continue testing as Gold Members? Will there be some point where we test as Silvers?
2) I've seen it asked a few times, but not yet answered. Will Golds get the Dilithium Stipend along with the Free ship Token? Seems fair, otherwise Silvers can skip their ship requisitions and save the Dilithium, which can give them an edge later on.
3) When can we expect KDF players to get BOs during leveling?
Again, I want to emphasize, that regardless of any Business Aspects getting in the way of my feelings about STO/Cryptic/PW right now, I am still very impressed, happy, and appreciative of the hard work and late hours put in my the Work-a-Day Joe-Developers that are cranking out all those changes! Thanks Guys and Gals!
Honestly, I think I can live with this. VA still might need a discount or something, but I'd like to see the current VA ships moved to RA-U, and a full Tier 6 added for VA (Odyssey, new Escort, new Sci).
I agree. I really do hope the Odyssey is a T6 ship, with appropriate crew/console slots. It will be a letdown if its the same tier as the previous generation cruiser (Sovereign). Even if we can only go to VA5 and just get the ship, that would be enough. Save VA6-10 for big Iconian content.
I think a VA token could work as a retroactive veteran's award. That way it'd affect all of your characters, and it could be given out after a relatively short veteran's period. But you'd have to wait until you're the appropriate level to actually get the ship.
i made a kdf character a few days ago but probably only gained 1 or 2 levels. is my character going to have his level raised to 25? if not might as well reroll. the thought of running all over the first city again just to get my proper rank is NOT something im looking forward too though.
I agree. I really do hope the Odyssey is a T6 ship, with appropriate crew/console slots. It will be a letdown if its the same tier as the previous generation cruiser (Sovereign). Even if we can only go to VA5 and just get the ship, that would be enough. Save VA6-10 for big Iconian content.
Thought the plan was to give the ship away as a reward for a proper STF so that anyone who wanted one could get one?
[*]1New Klingons now start at level 21 instead of 17.
[*]2Fighter pet AI has been updated to be more robust, and to have default behaviors if you happen to launch fighters from a ship that doesn't have carrier commands enabled.
[*]3Any ship that has a special power will have that power adjusted to a console, and that ship will be given an extra console slot to accommodate it.
Many ships have been updated, but more are being converted.
3a. These consoles have restrictions on which, if any, ships they can go on.
I have a few questions.
1. So new KDF characters will also start with an appropriate Tier 3 ship, or still get a Tier 2 BoP but also be granted, at start, a ship token to get an appropriate ship?
2. The fighter AI has been fixed? As in all the fighjter will actually attack now instead of trying to ride Mommaship's fat aft? Is that also for the Scorpion Fighters?
3. Science ships ALL have a special power, Subsstem targeting.
3a. Dumb question: Are you making Subsystem targeting a console and giving all the Sci ships an extra console slot?
So I decided when Golds got free ship tokens that I would continue my subscription... now you give them to Silver as well?
Why would I possibly want to continue paying my subscription after F2P?
I want to give you my money every month... please give me a reason!
Gold members will get a free ship token at every level except for VA.
Silver members will get a free ship token at every level through Commander, a discount on their ships at Captain and Rear Admiral, and no token at VA.
oh and with the whole starting at level 25 things with the klingons, we need to automatically not get stuck in the bop, that forces us to fly only that tier 3 ship, the other tier 3 ships would never get used, unless you bought their c store refit. don't have us start with a ship, give us a token when we start and let us use it to get 1 of the 3.
just checked the c store, the VA fed ships that this would effect still aren't there. the store in spacedock was not updated to reflect this to console change ether. i am DIEING to know what extra consoles these ships end up getting, can anyone at VA on tribble see these new stats somehow?
i can not stress enough how important it is for the galaxy retrofit to get a 3rd tactical console, i would love to use that as a dps cruiser, but the lack of that tactical console really hampers that. its only fare, the galaxy and it's counterpart the neg var has the same station setup, but the negvar has a 3rd tactical console.
the galaxy should get a 3rd tactical console, the intrepid should get a 3rd engineering console, and the defiant should get a 3rd science console.
Agree 100%. Would also like to see the Galaxy-X get that third tactical console when it comes back.
Thought the plan was to give the ship away as a reward for a proper STF so that anyone who wanted one could get one?
I don't recall a STF ever being mentioned myself (by Cryptic anyway). The previous plan(s) may have completely changed though, and there hasn't been any official mention of it for quite a while that I remember seeing.
I'm of the opinion that silver players shouldn't get any tokens for ships and should rely entirely on dilithium to get their ships. Free players should have to work at getting the next ship if they want one while paying players should be be able to move on to a new ship without as much work.
I'm of the opinion that silver players shouldn't get any tokens for ships and should rely entirely on dilithium to get their ships. Free players should have to work at getting the next ship if they want one while paying players should be be able to move on to a new ship without as much work.
Where do you think paying players come from? You gotta get them hooked first if you want them to pay the real money.
Gold members will get a free ship token at every level except for VA.
Silver members will get a free ship token at every level through Commander, a discount on their ships at Captain and Rear Admiral, and no token at VA.
This is exactly what Sdangelo said.
Think I must have missed what was said about the Silvers also getting free tokens up to Commander. I thought they were still getting the discounts only.
My bad.
To be honest, it's all looking so good, and the enhancements are coming in at such an astonishing rate I think this game has some of the most enthusiastic group of developers a game and players could ever hope for.
I'm of the opinion that silver players shouldn't get any tokens for ships and should rely entirely on dilithium to get their ships. Free players should have to work at getting the next ship if they want one while paying players should be be able to move on to a new ship without as much work.
I agree with this assessment and I also believe we should get either
1. a free ship token at VA
2. a high reduction for the c-store.
It seems once you hit VA you get nothing as previously we did. So then what is the big hurry to get to VA? I mean paying what 1200-1600 C-store points. To me this is a bit much for your loyal players who paid Lifetime and month;y etc subs.
I am not complaining just pointing out that the gold members should either get a free ship token or reduction in c-store for our VA ship....
Silver players should not really get free tokens since they are not paying monthly and should work their tails off for their ship :cool:
I'm of the opinion that silver players shouldn't get any tokens for ships and should rely entirely on dilithium to get their ships. Free players should have to work at getting the next ship if they want one while paying players should be be able to move on to a new ship without as much work.
I think one of the reasons they did this is because they didnt want people leveling up alts only to the first rank and then getting a big chunk of refined DL that they could trade for C-points. Giving free players ship tokens for the first 2 ranks instead of a big chunk of refined DL was the only way they could solve that.
I don't recall a STF ever being mentioned myself (by Cryptic anyway). The previous plan(s) may have completely changed though, and there hasn't been any official mention of it for quite a while that I remember seeing.
My apologies, It may have actually been Fleet Action, not STF. Either way, I know it was supposed to be a mission reward of some sort at one point. Guess we'll just have to take a "Wait and See" stance.
Great details on what is being changed. I am sorry to hear that the leveling speed is being slowed, for those who just started on Tribble, this will be a slightly more frustrating mission for them going forward.
It is also great that gold players will now get a ship token, which will reduce the perceived cost of leveling, and possibly allow new players more variety in starting the game.
My question is, do Gold players still get the Dilithium Stipend at leveling up, or is that only going to silver players so they can buy ships after Commander level?
In other-words, just a placeholder to get in the first reply?
I think one of the reasons they did this is because they didnt want people leveling up alts only to the first rank and then getting a big chunk of refined DL that they could trade for C-points. Giving free players ship tokens for the first 2 ranks instead of a big chunk of refined DL was the only way they could solve that.
The main reason was we wanted players to keep playing. Earning ships is a huge part of the STO experience and really makes you feel like you've leveled up. We decided, after significant feedback, that this was important enough to just give them ships for the early promotions.
can you post what the consoles the VA ships will be getting are? apparently their abilities are consoles now, and each are getting another console according to the notes
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just checked the c store, the VA fed ships that this would effect still aren't there. the store in spacedock was not updated to reflect this to console change ether. i am DIEING to know what extra consoles these ships end up getting, can anyone at VA on tribble see these new stats somehow?
i can not stress enough how important it is for the galaxy retrofit to get a 3rd tactical console, i would love to use that as a dps cruiser, but the lack of that tactical console really hampers that. its only fare, the galaxy and it's counterpart the neg var has the same station setup, but the negvar has a 3rd tactical console.
the galaxy should get a 3rd tactical console, the intrepid should get a 3rd engineering console, and the defiant should get a 3rd science console.
* edit
oh wait this has yet to go live. ok, thought that maintenance this morning was this patch
Correct. Also stressing the last part of your quote.
Agreed. How about retroactive boffs for those who already leveled but have crappy/no boffs? I need more boffs. The ones Cryptic sells in the store are utter TRIBBLE with the exact same powers over and over. Now that i'm max level the only powers i can slot on my few boffs are the trainer powers. oops
What about retroactive ship discounts for those who leveled too fast. My Vice Admiral is going to be stuck in a captain ship because there is no way in hell im buying c points to fly something i already paid for on holodeck. Unless these nasty bugs were in place to "encourage" more c-store purchases. That would make not making these fixes retroactive make more sense.
Here test this TRIBBLE. But do it with both hands behind your back while you grind. And as a thank you. You're stuck with TRIBBLE cause our fixes aren't retroactive. Happy Testing!
Aww, SF command finally caught on to our creative shore leave opportunities ...
"We need to take back the cocktail bar! Those Klingons can never have our spirits!"
I'm happy to see some bugs that I've encountered, even minor "cosmetic" ones like the headshots moving out of frame, are being resolved. Polish is good! Having players start in RPG mode, all the DOff fixes, BOs trained with EC, Ship tokens (need a VA1 token), etc. All great fixes!
Questions:
2) I've seen it asked a few times, but not yet answered. Will Golds get the Dilithium Stipend along with the Free ship Token? Seems fair, otherwise Silvers can skip their ship requisitions and save the Dilithium, which can give them an edge later on.
3) When can we expect KDF players to get BOs during leveling?
Again, I want to emphasize, that regardless of any Business Aspects getting in the way of my feelings about STO/Cryptic/PW right now, I am still very impressed, happy, and appreciative of the hard work and late hours put in my the Work-a-Day Joe-Developers that are cranking out all those changes! Thanks Guys and Gals!
I agree. I really do hope the Odyssey is a T6 ship, with appropriate crew/console slots. It will be a letdown if its the same tier as the previous generation cruiser (Sovereign). Even if we can only go to VA5 and just get the ship, that would be enough. Save VA6-10 for big Iconian content.
Thought the plan was to give the ship away as a reward for a proper STF so that anyone who wanted one could get one?
I have a few questions.
1. So new KDF characters will also start with an appropriate Tier 3 ship, or still get a Tier 2 BoP but also be granted, at start, a ship token to get an appropriate ship?
2. The fighter AI has been fixed? As in all the fighjter will actually attack now instead of trying to ride Mommaship's fat aft? Is that also for the Scorpion Fighters?
3. Science ships ALL have a special power, Subsstem targeting.
3a. Dumb question: Are you making Subsystem targeting a console and giving all the Sci ships an extra console slot?
Gold members will get a free ship token at every level except for VA.
Silver members will get a free ship token at every level through Commander, a discount on their ships at Captain and Rear Admiral, and no token at VA.
This is exactly what Sdangelo said.
Damn. I was holding off playing at Commander 1 for 2 days hoping I could get to try it out on Tribble... but it isn't out. T_T
I still cant train BOs
Agree 100%. Would also like to see the Galaxy-X get that third tactical console when it comes back.
I don't recall a STF ever being mentioned myself (by Cryptic anyway). The previous plan(s) may have completely changed though, and there hasn't been any official mention of it for quite a while that I remember seeing.
Patch hasn't gone live yet
Think I must have missed what was said about the Silvers also getting free tokens up to Commander. I thought they were still getting the discounts only.
My bad.
To be honest, it's all looking so good, and the enhancements are coming in at such an astonishing rate I think this game has some of the most enthusiastic group of developers a game and players could ever hope for.
I agree with this assessment and I also believe we should get either
1. a free ship token at VA
2. a high reduction for the c-store.
It seems once you hit VA you get nothing as previously we did. So then what is the big hurry to get to VA? I mean paying what 1200-1600 C-store points. To me this is a bit much for your loyal players who paid Lifetime and month;y etc subs.
I am not complaining just pointing out that the gold members should either get a free ship token or reduction in c-store for our VA ship....
Silver players should not really get free tokens since they are not paying monthly and should work their tails off for their ship :cool:
Indeed, my thoughts exactly.
I think one of the reasons they did this is because they didnt want people leveling up alts only to the first rank and then getting a big chunk of refined DL that they could trade for C-points. Giving free players ship tokens for the first 2 ranks instead of a big chunk of refined DL was the only way they could solve that.
My apologies, It may have actually been Fleet Action, not STF. Either way, I know it was supposed to be a mission reward of some sort at one point. Guess we'll just have to take a "Wait and See" stance.
Yeah, just sounded nicer lol
The main reason was we wanted players to keep playing. Earning ships is a huge part of the STO experience and really makes you feel like you've leveled up. We decided, after significant feedback, that this was important enough to just give them ships for the early promotions.