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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited November 2011 in Klingon Discussion
Does anyone else feel that the feds should lose the ability to enter our sector when they have everything else handed to them on a platter?

Im tired of seeing these diplo immunity guys zipping around. Why not take something away from THEM for once instead of handing them acess to our space with an encouraging pat on the bum
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I want open world dueling. Challenge them right there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Qa'pla! YaY Qa'pla!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Startruck wrote:
    Does anyone else feel that the feds should lose the ability to enter our sector when they have everything else handed to them on a platter?

    Im tired of seeing these diplo immunity guys zipping around. Why not take something away from THEM for once instead of handing them acess to our space with an encouraging pat on the bum

    I'll tell you why. we're not going to stop entil Qo'Nos is ours. If i had my way we would have invaded along time ago
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Admit it, we have more ships than you and can easily destroy a solar if we wanted too. However, the Federation isn't blood firsty humans out to kill. We're too civilized and having our morality in our way;)

    I don't think they will remove it since it was put there for a reason in the last updates.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Charlie25 wrote: »
    Admit it, we have more ships than you and can easily destroy a solar if we wanted too. However, the Federation isn't blood firsty humans out to kill. We're too civilized and having our morality in our way;)

    I don't think they will remove it since it was put there for a reason in the last updates.

    So you have more ships, but are they of the same quality not to mentione better than those the KDF has?;)
    Or are you artificially upping those numbers by counting all those tree-huggers' pleasure craft like the Oberth that have little to no military...umm...anything.

    And it's nice to know your ships can shoot a sloar panel it's certainly good to know you guys have that kind of...unique competence.:p
    Of course the ability of a certain El-Aurian to blow up a star was a whole lot more impressive than that.

    But why are you only talking of humans in the context of a multi-species organisation that consits of over 150 planets?
    Was Gorkon's daughter in Star Trek VI actually right "The Federation is nothing more than a homo sapiens-only club"?:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Idali wrote:
    I want open world dueling. Challenge them right there.

    I think that would be good fun, if you could just attack someone in your home sector. I would be flying past Qo'Nos all the time transporting tribbles into the klinks sonic showers! Daring you honourless klink dogs to stop me :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Startruck wrote:
    Does anyone else feel that the feds should lose the ability to enter our sector when they have everything else handed to them on a platter?

    Im tired of seeing these diplo immunity guys zipping around. Why not take something away from THEM for once instead of handing them acess to our space with an encouraging pat on the bum

    This is probably allowed so that fed players might consider rolling a Klingon toon after having explored Klingon space for a bit.

    Nevertheless, I think your comment stems from the fact that the 'war' between the Klingons and Feds doesn't really feel much like a war for anyone. And I wholeheartedly agree.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    and just think, of all the feds complaints after kicking their buts in PvP on how we needed nerfed, and actually got nerfed.

    thats why you got FvF, cause you didnt want to keep dying
    Charlie25 wrote: »
    Admit it, we have more ships than you and can easily destroy a solar if we wanted too. .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I think the entire KDF should convert to Vor'quv Carriers.. Then see how the Federation fares vs that many Carriers ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    It's kind of odd how I've been feeling similarily irked by seeing Klingon Ships in Federation space (Regulus Sector) as well... and they've apparently not worked for any of it.

    This isn't just a one-way street. If Klingons are up to mischief in UFP space, you can bet we'll welcome the ability to put them down as well. It just doesn't work that way for now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Before I make my suggestion, let me remind everyone that I hate PvP. I don't like it here, and I don't like it anywhere.

    However, this setting is crying out for it (to say nothing of the PvP part of the playerbase.)


    What I would have done (and what I'd suggest) is open PvP with some restrictions based on locale.

    1. Friendly Space (ie. Fed ships in Fed space): You cannot be engaged in PvP. You CAN engage others, however, under specific conditions (namely, they're hostile PCs in your territory).

    2. Contested Space (ie. Neutral Zone): You are in a war zone. You cannot be engaged in open space, but you CAN be challenged, and you CAN issue challenges. Such contests would normally be 1v1. You cannot be challenged by a player significantly beyond your level or at a higher tech level, though you CAN challenge THEM (if a lowbie wants to try taking on a higher level foe, he should be allowed to, however we can't have high levels ganking lowbies).
    In Contested Space, there should be OBJECTIVES that are contested. Things like systems, minefields and so on. The point of contested space is to control these objectives for your side (there would need to be some reason to want to do so).
    If you are attempting to gain control of these objective sites, you CAN BE ENGAGED at will by any player.
    Thus, if you're on a planet trying to get control of it, you are flagged as open to PvP.

    3. Hostile Space (ie. Fed ships in Klingon space): You are open to attack at any time by players within your rank/tech level (ie. Captains can be engaged by Captains or lower). You cannot initiate any attacks yourself.

    4. Neutral Space: These areas are "safe" areas. You cannot be challenged or issue challenges in neutral territory.


    This makes PvP mean something, and more easily accessible. It's also more realistic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Mojo wrote: »
    Before I make my suggestion, let me remind everyone that I hate PvP. I don't like it here, and I don't like it anywhere.

    He could not, would not, on a boat.
    He will not, will not, with a goat.
    He will not PvP in the rain.
    He will not PvP on a train.
    Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
    Not in a car! You let him be!
    He does not like PvP in a box.
    He does not like PvP with a fox.
    He will not PvP in a house.
    He does not like PvP with a mouse.
    He does not like PvP here or there.
    He does not like PvP ANYWHERE!

    Sorry couldn't resist :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    To all the super Fed luvrs, a quote:
    "The war is going very badly for the Federation, far worse than is generally known. Starfleet Command believes that defeat is inevitable. Within six months, we may have no choice but to surrender." - Captain Picard, Yesterday's Enterprise.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    To all the super Fed luvrs, a quote:
    "The war is going very badly for the Federation, far worse than is generally known. Starfleet Command believes that defeat is inevitable. Within six months, we may have no choice but to surrender." - Captain Picard, Yesterday's Enterprise.

    That was before humans had the ultimate doomsday weapon; a weapon whose effects are capable of inflicting immeasurable amounts of pain, suffering and agony. A weapon so inhumane, you wouldn't wish it to be used on even your most sadistic enemy.

    And that weapon is: Justin Bieber's singing.

    So you Klingons better stay in line or you'll get a few thousand singing bieber holograms beams all over Qo'nos and onto your ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I've never rolled a Klingon because to be honest, Klingons have been short changed since the beginning. Cryptic said they would create and release content to make it more of a viable faction, everyone has to admit while the Federation has TONS of different sectors to visit, the Klingons originally had maybe like 2 or 3 before they opened it up. While I can understand the frustration from the OP, the Klingons will have access to Sirius in the near future whenever they (Cryptic) decides to finally implement the Marurder (SP?) which is suppose to be like Diplomatic Immunity.

    Although I think this whole war idea is silly, I never feel like it's an actual war. Never capture sectors, build bases, fight for resources or anything thats associated with a war. Since we are all Trekkies or Trekkers of sorts I want to bring up DS9, how Sisko posted the casualty listing every day, Seige of AR-551, distress signals from ships that were ambushed. Where are the injured who should be in Sickbay on K7 or Dorzana? I feel like I'm at war with the Cardassians more then Klingons because look at our Dailies, The Cardassian attacking a fuel Depo or the Freighter. War? Honestly what war?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    That was before humans had the ultimate doomsday weapon; a weapon whose effects are capable of inflicting immeasurable amounts of pain, suffering and agony. A weapon so inhumane, you wouldn't wish it to be used on even your most sadistic enemy.

    And that weapon is: Justin Bieber's singing.

    I was sure you were going to write "Neelix".:p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Honestly... Besides the Borg Invasion stopping I see no reason why we should go into Klink space. They cannot casually waltz into our territory and we have no missions there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    *looks down at his care-o-meter...* sorry KDF people i don't care...besides we allow you to come in our space soo... get over it and quit whining about it...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Shhhhhssss they are not really Feds, those are clones we are using to infiltrate the Federation for a final attack against them. (Top secret)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    There's not going to be any chance of attacking fed boats in kling space, EVER. The PvE'ers and RP'ers would cry all day and night if they were able to be "ganked" while cruising around Qonos for RP reasons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    There's not going to be any chance of attacking fed boats in kling space, EVER. The PvE'ers and RP'ers would cry all day and night if they were able to be "ganked" while cruising around Qonos for RP reasons.

    But what if it ruins our RPing to not be able to defend our space from hostile agressors?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Startruck wrote:
    Does anyone else feel that the feds should lose the ability to enter our sector when they have everything else handed to them on a platter?

    Im tired of seeing these diplo immunity guys zipping around. Why not take something away from THEM for once instead of handing them acess to our space with an encouraging pat on the bum

    I think people that maxed out Marauding should be allowed to attack Feds infiltrating Klingon Space under their cowardly flag of truce.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I think people that maxed out Marauding should be allowed to attack Feds infiltrating Klingon Space under their cowardly flag of truce.

    Sounds great, always remember "their white flags are no match for our disruptor banks!"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I think that should have like a time limit, how many seconds you are allowed in Klingon space, sort of:

    "hey Fed, Oh Feeeeeeeeddd 3,2,1 fire :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    What would you do if you faced five hundred and twenty-eight pandas in pvp? .

    Throw down 1056 pounds of bamboo and ready the disruptor banks?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Mojo wrote: »
    Before I make my suggestion, let me remind everyone that I hate PvP. I don't like it here, and I don't like it anywhere.

    However, this setting is crying out for it (to say nothing of the PvP part of the playerbase.)


    What I would have done (and what I'd suggest) is open PvP with some restrictions based on locale.

    1. Friendly Space (ie. Fed ships in Fed space): You cannot be engaged in PvP. You CAN engage others, however, under specific conditions (namely, they're hostile PCs in your territory).

    2. Contested Space (ie. Neutral Zone): You are in a war zone. You cannot be engaged in open space, but you CAN be challenged, and you CAN issue challenges. Such contests would normally be 1v1. You cannot be challenged by a player significantly beyond your level or at a higher tech level, though you CAN challenge THEM (if a lowbie wants to try taking on a higher level foe, he should be allowed to, however we can't have high levels ganking lowbies).
    In Contested Space, there should be OBJECTIVES that are contested. Things like systems, minefields and so on. The point of contested space is to control these objectives for your side (there would need to be some reason to want to do so).
    If you are attempting to gain control of these objective sites, you CAN BE ENGAGED at will by any player.
    Thus, if you're on a planet trying to get control of it, you are flagged as open to PvP.

    3. Hostile Space (ie. Fed ships in Klingon space): You are open to attack at any time by players within your rank/tech level (ie. Captains can be engaged by Captains or lower). You cannot initiate any attacks yourself.

    4. Neutral Space: These areas are "safe" areas. You cannot be challenged or issue challenges in neutral territory.


    This makes PvP mean something, and more easily accessible. It's also more realistic.

    This I like - if you don't want to get involved in open PvP, then stay out of enemy space but if you fancy a fight, you can go hunting the enemies who are brave enough to enter your space. No one is then forced to PvP but those that want to can. Win / Win .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    The problem is that a new game mechanic was implemented before it could be universal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    DogsBody wrote:
    This I like - if you don't want to get involved in open PvP, then stay out of enemy space but if you fancy a fight, you can go hunting the enemies who are brave enough to enter your space. No one is then forced to PvP but those that want to can. Win / Win .

    Glad you like it, that was the idea.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    VSal wrote: »
    I feel like I'm at war with the Cardassians more then Klingons because look at our Dailies, The Cardassian attacking a fuel Depo or the Freighter. War? Honestly what war?

    I can only agree to that. I felt very similarily. I've always felt the Cardassian involvement in the Devidian front and its dailies was a very bad idea on the part of Cryptic. Even if they somehow justify it in the next episode series... it was a lost opportunity to better flesh out the sense that the Federation was at war with the Klingon Empire.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Letting each Faction into the other Factions home space should be allowed as it is now, BUT it must come with conseguences, if you enter then it must at your own peril that you can be attacked, letting each other fly around as it is now its majorly stupid and typical of how Cryptic get things so badly wrong sometimes.
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