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Apparently, I need this to travel to Mars and complete Second Star....
Any ideas how I get this?
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Any ideas how I get this?
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There is also no way to access Mars via sectorspace right now.
I think you're missing something.
Please reread the mission description carefully and if the slution still eludes you, come back and say where the probelm seems to be.:)
Marauding comes out with the duty officer system, and at launch will exist almost completely within the assignment system. As we build new content we will be integrating all of the commendation categories including Marauding into said new content.
Wait......our version of diplomacy is called.....Marauding?
No system of honor, it's just being a pirate or a raider? Is that correct or am I completely reading that wrong?
Will there be a fully fledged ability to level Marauding up via gameplay like Diplomacy eventually? Like certain exploration missions giving MXP, unlocking special marauding missions, etc?
Also remember, there are more thank just Klingons in the LSD.
Marauding is very lethean, Orion, nausicain
Dude, I don't know what show you've been watching, but Klingon honour is all about being a pirate or a raider.
Yeah, you got it. It's very classic Klingon, and it makes sense for the other factions that make up the KDF. Orions and Nausicaans are not known for being very honorable. It's a neutral theme for everyone.
From what he just said, no. But they are looking into other ways of implementing MXP, and other commendations into the game- like with DXP.
Yes marauding and piracy is very much part of the Orion and Nausicaan way, but they are part of the Klingon Empire.
Actually I don't know what shows and movies that you've been watching.....
Yes there is honor in victory, and serving the Empire, but there is no honor in piracy or other thievery.
You are reading it correctly, and my Nausicaan pirate could only be happier if I finally score a hot vulcan first officer.
There is going to be several other commendations besides MXP and DXP. So you'll have other options. Just that, if I understand correctly, DXP is exclusive to Feds and MXP is exclusive to the KDF.
Can we mount them as trophies?
Don't confuse klingon honour with human honour. Worf does that. He's a pretty lousy klingon. Marauding is battle, and success in battle is all that matters.
Rules of Engagement
WORF: Yes.
CH'POK: But if your heart is Klingon, how could you fire upon your own people?
WORF: They fired the first shot. And when that happened, they became my enemies.
CH'POK: Then why aren't you glad you destroyed that transport? It was filled with your enemies and their children.
WORF: There is nothing honourable about killing those who cannot defend themselves.
CH'POK: Are you telling me that you would never attack a defenceless opponent?
WORF: No, I would not.
CH'POK: Maybe I've been wrong about you. Maybe you aren't really Klingon in your heart. A true Klingon rejoices at the death of his enemies. Old, young, armed, unarmed. All that matters is the victory. Tell me, Worf, did you weep for those children?
WORF: I grieve for them.
CH'POK: Grieve for them? A Klingon doesn't grieve. They died in a glorious battle! They are with the honoured dead in Sto-Vo-Kor! They do not want your grief. You dishonour their memories!
If that's the case, that there are multiple methods of completing it to meet the various aspects of the Klingon faction then I won't complain. But to just throw The Empire in the same category as Nausicaan pirates or Ferengi raiders who concern themselves about nothing but riches is an insult to the entire faction....
There is no honor in defeating those who are unable to defend themselves as such actions are beneath a true warrior, but that does not make the cloaking device a dishonorable device; in fact it provides a great advantage to a faction that is numerically outnumbered.
You confuse the corruption of dishonorable fools with an entire Empire...
I remember that episode, but don't forget that Ch'pok was trying to goad Worf into attacking him as a move in the trial to get the Judge to side with him. Ch'pok was dishonoring himself in the first place by knowingly trying to get at Worf for his actions and there is no reason to think that he didn't know what he was doing....
You're correct that a true Klingon wouldn't feel pity for his enemies, but that doesn't mean that they'd kill everything or rob and steal. There is more than just bloodlust in the Klingon heart...
Meh, Klingon marauders are canon.
well, all i can say is : It isn't all about you, man. There are others in the KDF.
I am pretty sure cryptic employees all sat in a room and said "all we need is a system that emcompasses as much of the kdf as we can" and they came up with marauding. I would have said "Subjugating" or however you spell it. Or Acquiring.
/RP on
Those targs were a useless freighter crew, not true Klingon warriors!
/RP off
As I said above, if there are multiple methods to acquire the said XP then I won't complain; but if there are not and you can only be a pirate or w/e then yes I'm going to complain against further cheapening of the faction...
Every time we see Worf deal with the klingons we see his crushing disappointment over them not meeting his ideals (since he was raised with a human perspective). Even Worf, however, knows that klingon honour isn't analogous to human honour. When asked about how klingons, who are such believers in honour, could embrace tactics like ambushes from cloak, he responded, "Nothing is more honourable than victory."
To the victor go the spoils. And of course, we've readily seen the Empire conquer planets or cow miners for resources. So we've seen them openly pirating and marauding for profit, even if that profit is more for the Empire and the esteem it gives than for personal gain.
I think you're projecting human notions on klingon honour and trying to apply ideals to it that no klingon outside of Worf (who was raised by humans) never would.
Not at all, in fact we see Worf have plenty of good experiences with Klingon society. The problems that we see 98% of the time are directly related to the corruption of the Empire.
Klingons do not concern themselves with 'filthy ledgers' or otherwise attacking for personal wealth, to do so is dishonorable or do I need to remind you that an entire Klingon House was discommendated for trying to use financial means to bring down another House (DS9: "House of Quark")?
Many dishonorable things are done "In the name of the Empire" but it is not a conflict of Human and Klingon ideas of honor so much as it is the corruption or cowardice of those in charge.
While they might have been modeled off of the Samurai, the Klingons are nothing of the sort. Honour is really a misnomer in this situation- I think a better term would be... oh... Glory.
Seriously, go and substitute every use of the word 'honor' with 'glory' in Klingon dialogue.
the picture it paints is not a very nice one, which is part of the reason why the word 'honor' is used. Honour sounds so much more... noble.
EDIT: If 98% of klingons are 'corrupted' um... well there's a thing called majority rules. If 98% of klingons believe honor works that way, then by all accounts, that's how it works.
Glory... less so.
I never thought of them as space samurai. I always thought of them more as space bikers. Honor is found in furthering your gangs goals and in beating down your biker gang foes.
Anything else is just gravy.
And it also explains that klingon love of leather.
Just sayin....
and yeah, Sivar, calm down. They have to call it something, don't they?
Every time we see Worf interact with the Empire and it's citizens it's readily apparently that beyond his DNA he's not very klingon.
Who's talking about cooking accounting balances? I'm talking about conquering planets for resources (read: marauding). Organia for instance. An encounter involving one of the greatest and most "honoured" klingons of the Empire.
They are definitely not samurai. The Klingon Empire has much more in common with old school Vikings. Savage warriors who plunder and ravage and fight for the glory of it and all the boasting rights it gives them.
Sto-Vo-Kor...? It's Valhalla.
Every culture defines honor differently. even the Samurai did numerous things that we today would not view as honorable.
I tend to think of the Klingons more akin to the Vikings. Their belief system is certainly closer to the Vikings, while I don't see Klingons as looking down on what we might call "marauding", but I do think they like the Vikings (who just so happen to be named after the act they are famous for), the would have used a different choice of words. To "viking" if you will meant to go on an expedition, said expedition might have included marauding, trading, slaving or even exploration.
I'd rather see a more "neutral" term like this applied to the Klingon form of gameplay because to label it something like Marauding actually limits the possibilities and we've seen Klingons maraud, we've seen them trade (even if not in a capitalistic manner), we've seen them explore, we even have plenty of soft-canon sources to suggest that they have a form of slavery with conquered peoples.
It has nothing to do with a samurai-style, in fact they is very little to compare of the Klingons to the Samurai.
I'm not denying that there isn't a problem in the Empire, in fact we see it as early as Enterprise when Archer's advocate Kolos tells him that Honor is failing in the Empire and that things used to be very different, and that now the Empire was filled with young warriors concerned only with glory rather than honor.
It's also part of the reason that Kahless cloned, and the plan might have succeeded in restoring the Empire after the further and serious damage done by Duras and his family had it not been for Gowron exposing the action.
The Empire was founded on honor and that honor has faded dramatically into very little (thanks to the actions of families like the House of Duras) but there are still Klingons to whom that matters; don't make the mistake of thinking that they're all a bunch of glory-driven killers driven by their bloodlust....
Where are you getting that 98% of Klingons are corrupt individuals?
Fair to say, but I can't shake the notion that there will be some mission to go and raid a passenger liner for any valuables that they're carrying that's worth 'x' emblems or w/e currency/xp equal.
We see Worf's human up-bringing putting him in conflict from time to time, but again most of the problems that he has was Klingon society are directly related to corruption in the Empire. If he wasn't a very good Klingon then Martok (who is entirely an honorable Klingon) wouldn't have thought him worthy of being in his House.
What happened with D'Ghor wasn't due to false accounting, it was because he was using loans, land and property acquisitions to weaken the standing of another House, rather than making a declaration and meeting them in open battle; when this was uncovered and D'Ghor's true quality revealed he was discommendated.
On this subject, one of my favorite quotes in regards to the relationship between Martok and Worf is this one.
Worf saw too many things through the Federation's lens, Martok could look past that because Worf was a fantastic warrior, and wasn't dishonorable in a weak way. He would also put the Empire before almost anythng else in his life, but Worf was not a "good" Klingon, hence why even in the soft-canon books he never fully integrates into Klingon society.
Klingons are not above "marauding" per se, though they would never view it in the way we view "marauding", nothing about marauding is dishonorable to a Klingon, as long as it is against legitimate enemy targets who they can kill in honorable battle.
Don't forget that this is the culture of the Battle of Tong Vey where Emperor Sompek ordered a city burned to the ground with all inhabitants in it. These are a people much more like the Vikings than like we are today. There is a story of a battle I think it is about Harold Hardrada, where he ordered birds to be tarred and lit afire and released them into a town that he could not take, when the birds tried to return to their nests, they caught the town a blaze and Harold sacked it. This is honorable warfare to a Viking, and very likely would also be to a Klingon.
97% of all statistics found on the internet are completely made up.... <wink>
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We've tried to walk an appropriate line with this as much as possible.
For example, all Klingon duty officers have the "Honorable" trait. Those Marauding assignments that are, shall we say, of slightly questionable morality such as raiding passenger ships actually have a penalty to your chance of success if you assign duty officers with the Honorable trait.
Marauding also encompasses anything that your captain wasn't strictly supposed to do, but might be forgiven after the fact, such as raids behind enemy lines. It is very possible to have a Worf-type of interpretation of honor and still rank up in Marauding; it will just mean you may skip some of the assignments options that don't fit your ideal for your captain.
There are, also, assignments that speak to House warfare and intrigue. These are placed in the commendation category where it seems most appropriate; sometimes this is Espionage, sometimes Marauding, sometimes Development or even other categories.