The last 2 were run by QEW, and EVERYONE enjoyed them. The extend fiasco was 3 tournaments ago, the restrictions were a little too tight on that one, but to be fair, it was the first one and we all learned from it, just like we have learned from ours. The fourth one run by RisaRadio will be even better.
The rules have ALL come from a joint effort among the community. Questions have been asked, people have answered, put forward more suggestions and that is ONLY way the rules have come about. We didn't sit down and find rules that suited us, neither did TSI. They are community set rules. If you want to argue for or against them, fine, do so in next feedback thread. Simply stating you won't play because you couldn't make up the rules is being rather childish.
Sign up, have some fun and provide some feed back if you want things changing.
SERIOUSLY^^...after the final...15:1....those guys who lost complained about EXTEND SHIELDS so badly.....even about EXTEND 1..lmao
and the raging lasted for days..here one infamous quote:
"Blah blah blah, you and everyone else knows its garbage. You knew extend shields were garbage. Yet you choose to run it"
Therefore your team is not on the cheese free list, simple as that....good day!
and in the other event one klingon player complained about scramble 1....!
Eh cutter you must have been playing to much dabo again lol that statement is from the TSI turney where you could have 3 ES but only 2 PSW to clear it. Im talking about Opvp Turney
1 klingon complaining about SS1 oh well I heard ppl are complaining about goombas aswell
Last I checked, QewQew got smacked 15-1. You want screenies?
Anyway, thanks for proving my point. You lost so the QewQew begins.
Assuming youre talking about TSI funday:
Thats fine, and we went to their vent and explained our side of it. They agreed the restrictions for Klings were too tight, forcing us to play like feds with inferior ships - and before we took over hosting they adjusted the rules to loosen the klingon ship selection up.
Why? Because we actually talked to them and gave feedback, instead of being little girls on the forums and accusing them of bending the rules to their team setup.
you guys are the only ones having to boost your ego when you "own" a random fun setup 15:13
do we brag about a win against tsi when they are a 5 man team but on a fun setup?no...just no
did we brag about the "ownage" 15:1 victory over you guys playing your lame NOT_TSI setup?no....
gg simple as that
*edit* how are you mr.tide?
No, what you did do was talk **** (smack) about our fleet the night before in Organized PVP about how we lose (when we dont) yadayadyada and then get owned by 4 Galaxy X's and a Pug the next night when on a full five man setup.
You would think a team would learn not to talk **** to a superior team after the KT beating we gave you, but nope. You started it again, and you paid for it, again.
Control FAW with only a number of ships having it pehaps yes.
And the ppl who want SS 3 is FSers and we all know their space tactics
Where did we say we want SS3? Do you have any evidence we use SS3?
Sorry, Tide, I know you are just kidding around but what exactly are our tactics that make us different from the rest of the "real spacers"? What is it that we do, that no one else does, that make us not worthy of respect?
Could it be that it's just the fact that many think of us as just a "lolground" fleet? And when we win in space, well, then we must be cheating, abusing the system or breaking some sort of spacer code of honor? Ridiculous. And, quite frankly, I'm tired of coming to these forums to defend our Fleet for being good, whether it's space or ground. I'm sorry that no other fleet is competitive and enjoy both PvP aspects of a game. You guys choose to play half the game... fine. We are competitive at both. No other Fleet can say that.
The last 2 were run by QEW, and EVERYONE enjoyed them. The extend fiasco was 3 tournaments ago, the restrictions were a little too tight on that one, but to be fair, it was the first one and we all learned from it, just like we have learned from ours. The fourth one run by RisaRadio will be even better.
One thing to keep in mind: The last 2 events were pug events. True premades might find a "hole" in your rules that you have not thought about yet (or, like massive SS1+2 usage or Marauder/Varanus spam, don't consider problematic enough to ban preemptively).
Nobody was complaining about extends or warning of their possible OPness in the tournament before the tsi funday. Even when TSI had posted their DSSV+fleet escort team setup - which made an extend strategy obvious to everyone with a remote knowledge of TSI's playstyle - nobody said a thing.
Point being: You cannot anticipate everything.
And now for an anecdote: I think it was during the last KT end of season event that a federation Wizards team fought FS. One match with massive scrambling from FS, the second one without scrambles, but with lots of CPB. The CPB one wasn't easier, but much more enjoyable.
That is true Hil, and we think it might be a problem. This is why we have posts in the Klingon fleetyards to get the consoles placed back into the ships and make the special abilities optional. I really hope they do change it. Otherwise if we dont use the abilities we are running fed clones minus one console (and in the varanus' sake, less shields as well), which is cringeworthy.
Good point, which is why the feedback threads are important, to make the next one better, theres no way at all this was going to be perfect the first time around.
Its getting there though, the more that we all take part in the better they get.
And now for an anecdote: I think it was during the last KT end of season event that a federation Wizards team fought FS. One match with massive scrambling from FS, the second one without scrambles, but with lots of CPB. The CPB one wasn't easier, but much more enjoyable.
You want to know what's funny? Back when we started getting serious about space... our original attempt at building a real space team... guess who we looked to for inspiration?
First off, on the argument that the rules are to follow our needs/tactics - TSI and Qew run very opposite ideal setups. Feds vs Klings, Heavy Heals vs Light Heals, Consistant damage vs Burst damage, Damage Cruisers vs Full Aux cruisers. Very different playstyles yet you have a baseless claim saying this caters to both of our tactics.
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You read the whole Post or just that about the rules?
Its a common psychological aspect that Teams tend to create rules to their advantage, also its common psychological aspect that everybody tend to avoid things they cant handle or hate.
Our team would rather have things like mines (more cover for our cloaked ships, our full aux healers can clear them + forces enemy damage cruisers to clear instead of shooting our ships) and SS III (Klings have a carrier with a near useless sci commander with SSIII as the only viable ability, as they all require positioning/arcs - also our cloaked ships will not be hit by SS, plus Birds can have sci teams easier than fed escorts in order to clear).
Unfortunately it is really really annoying for fed teams, and I can see it on those rare days we hop on feds.
The second point is that, if these cheese skills were allowed, Qew and TSI would start to use them as well and be even better than we are now.
TSI is the Top Team right now, i guess maybe, but QEW is in my opinion far away from that, to be pro or a good pvp player or competive player the attitude flames are not suited to this class of players.
QEW is good, but i guess many Players are in this game even as a Team, we dont have a Ranking system and when its come to winning, i just won 2 times against TSI and that wasnt there A setup, i lost just 2 Games against QEW, and won far more then that one even with pugs but i guess that time it wasnt your A setup aswell. Winning or Loosing doesn't matter in this Game, the PVP is not decent balanced or adjusted to really see who has skills and who dont has it. Also we dont have any Judge or competive Person who rates Fleets or not. In my Opinion we have good Players out there in unnamed Fleets, we have Guys who act like wannabes because they are midhigh in their skills, and other who are cool and nice even without as good as others.
Your argument isnt an argument, cause you tend to rate yourself and TSI higher as human skillwise player then other human skillwise players, that dont work when you are true to yourself. Never underestimate your friends or enemys. Never see yourself through glasses, try to be true. Try to be cool, try to be nice and helpfull that where the best guys i met from the competetive scene in WOW, HON and other games who made their money with playing games, and i learned alot from their attitude and behaviour.
Third, other competitive multiplayer games do restrict cheese. Servers will make competitive rules, such as limiting the # of certain classes, adding weapon restrictions, etc. Cryptic is not Blizzard when it comes to trying to balance the game. In fact, I dont think Cryptic gives PvP a look when they come up with their latest additions, and after a year we realized that (hence OPVP tournament rules).
The fact is, scramble sensors is not fun. FAW is broken and is not fun. Mines without FAW is not fun. They also take no skill to use and have no viable counters.
In the end, the dominant teams are still going to win. It will just be a lot less fun for the loser, and probably the winner as well.
SS is not Fun, but in every fight i fighted QEW there was atleast 2 ss1 or ss2 involved, a massive spam of minions, scorpions and mines. But i dont complain over that, i just say the hardcounter to it is FAW and SS3(mostly SS3 against the Minions). Mines can slow down hit and run tactic, like EWP.
Heal can be countered by disables of SNB, SHOCKWAVE and other skills. We dont have real broken skills in this game even when you try to say iam garbage or my posts, the true stay the true. I dont care which Ego is bigger or better, i dont care if you are better or who you are, i just play this game. Learn and try to improve. the only thing that matters is fun. In this game we will never have real competive games where we can win money around 40.000 dollar as team or more. And so its not important who is the best fleet or team, its just important how you behave, which attitude you gave, how you talk with other friends or enemys. So to take something personally even when its not directed to you is something you should think about. If the cap fits, wear it is an sentence from your native language, we have another its like the buddhism sentence: Everyone wears the shoe that fits him.
Its also Psychological
So be cool goose, we know that both of us are good players, and we know that both of us can improve so do others and will others we dont know right now.
I dont like that its possible with this turney rules to have still massive minions/lagspamm and the only counter to it is EWP right now under those rules.
Where did we say we want SS3? Do you have any evidence we use SS3?
Sorry, Tide, I know you are just kidding around but what exactly are our tactics that make us different from the rest of the "real spacers"? What is it that we do, that no one else does, that make us not worthy of respect?
Could it be that it's just the fact that many think of us as just a "lolground" fleet? And when we win in space, well, then we must be cheating, abusing the system or breaking some sort of spacer code of honor? Ridiculous. And, quite frankly, I'm tired of coming to these forums to defend our Fleet for being good, whether it's space or ground. I'm sorry that no other fleet is competitive and enjoy both PvP aspects of a game. You guys choose to play half the game... fine. We are competitive at both. No other Fleet can say that.
Guapos. Elkantar and Cutter think Opvp Rules are BS thats the SS3 likers
And I give you credits for being a good space pvp fleet, but the stuff ppl say in opvp about you is not nice, you are known as a cheese fleet. I dont really like that ppl call you that imo you dont really thing you need all that cheese / Spam without you willl stil be a good space pvp fleet
And Im not saying lol ground anymore you guys rock on ground I have 4 ground toons now and love to team up with you on ground you learned me alot and im glad for that. And I hope I could learn you to be a community respected Space fleet too
SS is not Fun, but in every fight i fighted QEW there was atleast 2 ss1 or ss2 involved, a massive spam of minions, scorpions and mines. But i dont complain over that, i just say the hardcounter to it is FAW and SS3(mostly SS3 against the Minions).
We have never used scopion fighters ever, havent used mines for 6 months and right now we have zero scrambles - this is actually a problem and we're trying to find a way to fit it in.
As for the rest of your useless post about our fleet - your trolling attempt doesnt work. Objective wins and losses do, and suggests what you said is utterly wrong. But, luckily we dont have to prove that through words on the forums, our gameplay does it for us already.
Nobody was complaining about extends or warning of their possible OPness in the tournament before the tsi funday. Even when TSI had posted their DSSV+fleet escort team setup - which made an extend strategy obvious to everyone with a remote knowledge of TSI's playstyle - nobody said a thing.
One thing i do expect is, if something is broken and u know it, then don't use it.
TSI is aware of the broken extend thing but u still use it. Why?
I'll just point out to a post made by one of ur guys:
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I don't know thise pvp fleets dont loose play ultra boring setups with cruisers and btw there is something wrong with (extend shields + tactical team) because they have like permanent rsp. ...
If Z. knows it im sure u all know it too.
Lets remember the time when Faw3 was totally op. Do u remember the name of the fleet that used 3 or more cruisers (Excelsiors) with Faw3 and 4x DBB?
I do and i still remember the argument that was used to justify this lame-setup.
U guys wanted to show us (the whole STO-Community) how broken faw3 is because cryptic didn't react on ur bug-reports and posts in the bug-report forum.
I think it would have been a better way to show the community the existence of voldemort by abusing it in the arenas and the c&h's but u can be sure, we would had have equipped shields of only one type to ensure the combatlog isn't showing anything wrong.
I hope someday you guys can have real pro attitudes and play like that, without those arrogance and flames included. Maybe on that day we can stay face to face with an smile reach hands and fight a good fight.
But i look forward to it, maybe you can change your behaviour and attitude cause right now, i won more then i loosed against QEW. But i didnt won more as loosed against TSI.
But i look forward to it, maybe you can change your behaviour and attitude cause right now, i won more then i loosed against QEW. But i didnt won more as loosed against TSI..
No you havent. Screenshots if you want to make such statements please. Thank you.
well from now on i will make those, just to make a big thread full of your defeats if its that what you really want.
I didn't cared to do so. But last night we have a screenie i guess.
Also when iam pugging its fun, and i am not a trophy hunter or a guy who need to compensate his inferiority complex. Or to enlarge his EGO via those things. But i see your post as a request to do so in future, i will even post my lose against you if it comes to that.
Fairplay, nice, friendly, cool in feelings and a happy smile is what i care about, beside improving. Thats why you enrage and i will never i guess
So have a nice day Tide, and try to learn from the real pro players of our world who earn money for playing. Just Idra enrages sometimes in SC2 ^^
Edit:
Also its like in HoN guys between 0 and 1700 enrage and Flame teambuddys or others,
Guys between 1700-1800 play good but well they enrage or flame to, the thin line between 1900-2xxx stays cool, give tipps, help and are nice + friendly.
One thing i do expect is, if something is broken and u know it, then don't use it.
TSI is aware of the broken extend thing but u still use it. Why?
I'll just point out to a post from one of ur guys:
Broken extend thing? What are you talking about? Extend is extremely powerful, yes, but I have yet to see a fleet that refrains from using it for moral reasons.
And I think you are misinterpreting Zorena's post when you talk about "broken" extends. "Ultra boring setups with cruisers" is at the core of Zorena's complaints. And as you may have noticed when you encounter a TSI group, his dislike for cruisers and healing (which led to the funday ship restrictions) is not shared by all members of the fleet.
Guapos. Elkantar and Cutter think Opvp Rules are BS thats the SS3 likers
And I give you credits for being a good space pvp fleet, but the stuff ppl say in opvp about you is not nice, you are known as a cheese fleet. I dont really like that ppl call you that imo you dont really thing you need all that cheese / Spam without you willl stil be a good space pvp fleet
And Im not saying lol ground anymore you guys rock on ground I have 4 ground toons now and love to team up with you on ground you learned me alot and im glad for that. And I hope I could learn you to be a community respected Space fleet too
I asked for specifics. All I got from your sources and beagles is general cheese/spam QewQew... it's something I would expect more from some random pug who has no understanding of the game.
So, I am unconvinced and stand by my assertion that OrgQQ's hate all stems from getting pwned on ground over and over... so much so that they became spacers to hide from us. Then they see us in space and it all comes flooding back like PTSD. That's my working theory, anyway.
Broken extend thing? What are you talking about? Extend is extremely powerful, yes, but I have yet to see a fleet that refrains from using it for moral reasons.
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Ya, broken extend thing, so pls tell us what the hell is z talking about. And ur right, Extend 3 is very powerful and combined with tac-team its way op and i can call it spaming if u bring more then 1 of it with u.
Whats just wrong with all of you???
I wanted to know, why you rule givers think SS 1/2 is ok while SS 3 isnt.
Tide was the only one giving some arguments about that.
Thanks for killing the threads purpose with your stupid flame wars.
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The last 2 were run by QEW, and EVERYONE enjoyed them. The extend fiasco was 3 tournaments ago, the restrictions were a little too tight on that one, but to be fair, it was the first one and we all learned from it, just like we have learned from ours. The fourth one run by RisaRadio will be even better.
The rules have ALL come from a joint effort among the community. Questions have been asked, people have answered, put forward more suggestions and that is ONLY way the rules have come about. We didn't sit down and find rules that suited us, neither did TSI. They are community set rules. If you want to argue for or against them, fine, do so in next feedback thread. Simply stating you won't play because you couldn't make up the rules is being rather childish.
Sign up, have some fun and provide some feed back if you want things changing.
Last I checked, a five man FS team got owned by 4 Gal X's and a random Feddie pug. Coincidence that I dont recall a SS III that game?
Last I checked, QewQew got smacked 15-1. You want screenies?
Anyway, thanks for proving my point. You lost so the QewQew begins.
Was that a 5 man team?
lol no you have for ex: SS1 and SS2 to deal with that
Eh cutter you must have been playing to much dabo again lol that statement is from the TSI turney where you could have 3 ES but only 2 PSW to clear it. Im talking about Opvp Turney
1 klingon complaining about SS1 oh well I heard ppl are complaining about goombas aswell
And Hello Mr Cutter
do we brag about a win against tsi when they are a 5 man team but on a fun setup?no...just no
did we brag about the "ownage" 15:1 victory over you guys playing your lame NOT_TSI setup?no....
gg simple as that
*edit* how are you mr.tide?
Assuming youre talking about TSI funday:
Thats fine, and we went to their vent and explained our side of it. They agreed the restrictions for Klings were too tight, forcing us to play like feds with inferior ships - and before we took over hosting they adjusted the rules to loosen the klingon ship selection up.
Why? Because we actually talked to them and gave feedback, instead of being little girls on the forums and accusing them of bending the rules to their team setup.
No, what you did do was talk **** (smack) about our fleet the night before in Organized PVP about how we lose (when we dont) yadayadyada and then get owned by 4 Galaxy X's and a Pug the next night when on a full five man setup.
You would think a team would learn not to talk **** to a superior team after the KT beating we gave you, but nope. You started it again, and you paid for it, again.
When you win is becourse you use Broken, OP and chesse skills there is nothing to brag about when you are winning like that
*edit* Im good thx mr.cutter
gg is not having 4 scambe 2's
gg is not using pengs
gg is not using mines when FAW is frowned on
Where did we say we want SS3? Do you have any evidence we use SS3?
Sorry, Tide, I know you are just kidding around but what exactly are our tactics that make us different from the rest of the "real spacers"? What is it that we do, that no one else does, that make us not worthy of respect?
Could it be that it's just the fact that many think of us as just a "lolground" fleet? And when we win in space, well, then we must be cheating, abusing the system or breaking some sort of spacer code of honor? Ridiculous. And, quite frankly, I'm tired of coming to these forums to defend our Fleet for being good, whether it's space or ground. I'm sorry that no other fleet is competitive and enjoy both PvP aspects of a game. You guys choose to play half the game... fine. We are competitive at both. No other Fleet can say that.
i wasn't even in that game you're talking about....but well be proud of it...that's my suggestion:p
anyways..should get back to topic
@furQQ...i will name my next sci char: Cutter Le Cheese
btw mr.tide...i'm playing dabo...because i have manipulated the dabo table
and you...doing RP atm? :P
One thing to keep in mind: The last 2 events were pug events. True premades might find a "hole" in your rules that you have not thought about yet (or, like massive SS1+2 usage or Marauder/Varanus spam, don't consider problematic enough to ban preemptively).
Nobody was complaining about extends or warning of their possible OPness in the tournament before the tsi funday. Even when TSI had posted their DSSV+fleet escort team setup - which made an extend strategy obvious to everyone with a remote knowledge of TSI's playstyle - nobody said a thing.
Point being: You cannot anticipate everything.
And now for an anecdote: I think it was during the last KT end of season event that a federation Wizards team fought FS. One match with massive scrambling from FS, the second one without scrambles, but with lots of CPB. The CPB one wasn't easier, but much more enjoyable.
and you guys did as always a good job by adapting to our strategy and countered it.. simply by using skill!
Good point, which is why the feedback threads are important, to make the next one better, theres no way at all this was going to be perfect the first time around.
Its getting there though, the more that we all take part in the better they get.
You want to know what's funny? Back when we started getting serious about space... our original attempt at building a real space team... guess who we looked to for inspiration?
You read the whole Post or just that about the rules?
Its a common psychological aspect that Teams tend to create rules to their advantage, also its common psychological aspect that everybody tend to avoid things they cant handle or hate.
TSI is the Top Team right now, i guess maybe, but QEW is in my opinion far away from that, to be pro or a good pvp player or competive player the attitude flames are not suited to this class of players.
QEW is good, but i guess many Players are in this game even as a Team, we dont have a Ranking system and when its come to winning, i just won 2 times against TSI and that wasnt there A setup, i lost just 2 Games against QEW, and won far more then that one even with pugs but i guess that time it wasnt your A setup aswell. Winning or Loosing doesn't matter in this Game, the PVP is not decent balanced or adjusted to really see who has skills and who dont has it. Also we dont have any Judge or competive Person who rates Fleets or not. In my Opinion we have good Players out there in unnamed Fleets, we have Guys who act like wannabes because they are midhigh in their skills, and other who are cool and nice even without as good as others.
Your argument isnt an argument, cause you tend to rate yourself and TSI higher as human skillwise player then other human skillwise players, that dont work when you are true to yourself. Never underestimate your friends or enemys. Never see yourself through glasses, try to be true. Try to be cool, try to be nice and helpfull that where the best guys i met from the competetive scene in WOW, HON and other games who made their money with playing games, and i learned alot from their attitude and behaviour.
SS is not Fun, but in every fight i fighted QEW there was atleast 2 ss1 or ss2 involved, a massive spam of minions, scorpions and mines. But i dont complain over that, i just say the hardcounter to it is FAW and SS3(mostly SS3 against the Minions). Mines can slow down hit and run tactic, like EWP.
Heal can be countered by disables of SNB, SHOCKWAVE and other skills. We dont have real broken skills in this game even when you try to say iam garbage or my posts, the true stay the true. I dont care which Ego is bigger or better, i dont care if you are better or who you are, i just play this game. Learn and try to improve. the only thing that matters is fun. In this game we will never have real competive games where we can win money around 40.000 dollar as team or more. And so its not important who is the best fleet or team, its just important how you behave, which attitude you gave, how you talk with other friends or enemys. So to take something personally even when its not directed to you is something you should think about. If the cap fits, wear it is an sentence from your native language, we have another its like the buddhism sentence: Everyone wears the shoe that fits him.
Its also Psychological
So be cool goose, we know that both of us are good players, and we know that both of us can improve so do others and will others we dont know right now.
I dont like that its possible with this turney rules to have still massive minions/lagspamm and the only counter to it is EWP right now under those rules.
Guapos. Elkantar and Cutter think Opvp Rules are BS thats the SS3 likers
And I give you credits for being a good space pvp fleet, but the stuff ppl say in opvp about you is not nice, you are known as a cheese fleet. I dont really like that ppl call you that imo you dont really thing you need all that cheese / Spam without you willl stil be a good space pvp fleet
And Im not saying lol ground anymore you guys rock on ground I have 4 ground toons now and love to team up with you on ground you learned me alot and im glad for that. And I hope I could learn you to be a community respected Space fleet too
This is part why Opvp rage at you
We have never used scopion fighters ever, havent used mines for 6 months and right now we have zero scrambles - this is actually a problem and we're trying to find a way to fit it in.
As for the rest of your useless post about our fleet - your trolling attempt doesnt work. Objective wins and losses do, and suggests what you said is utterly wrong. But, luckily we dont have to prove that through words on the forums, our gameplay does it for us already.
One thing i do expect is, if something is broken and u know it, then don't use it.
TSI is aware of the broken extend thing but u still use it. Why?
I'll just point out to a post made by one of ur guys:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3554297&postcount=1
If Z. knows it im sure u all know it too.
Lets remember the time when Faw3 was totally op. Do u remember the name of the fleet that used 3 or more cruisers (Excelsiors) with Faw3 and 4x DBB?
I do and i still remember the argument that was used to justify this lame-setup.
U guys wanted to show us (the whole STO-Community) how broken faw3 is because cryptic didn't react on ur bug-reports and posts in the bug-report forum.
I think it would have been a better way to show the community the existence of voldemort by abusing it in the arenas and the c&h's but u can be sure, we would had have equipped shields of only one type to ensure the combatlog isn't showing anything wrong.
As the losing fleet yep you are.
I hope someday you guys can have real pro attitudes and play like that, without those arrogance and flames included. Maybe on that day we can stay face to face with an smile reach hands and fight a good fight.
But i look forward to it, maybe you can change your behaviour and attitude cause right now, i won more then i loosed against QEW. But i didnt won more as loosed against TSI.
I can just Agree with Elysium guys.
No you havent. Screenshots if you want to make such statements please. Thank you.
I didn't cared to do so. But last night we have a screenie i guess.
Also when iam pugging its fun, and i am not a trophy hunter or a guy who need to compensate his inferiority complex. Or to enlarge his EGO via those things. But i see your post as a request to do so in future, i will even post my lose against you if it comes to that.
Fairplay, nice, friendly, cool in feelings and a happy smile is what i care about, beside improving. Thats why you enrage and i will never i guess
So have a nice day Tide, and try to learn from the real pro players of our world who earn money for playing. Just Idra enrages sometimes in SC2 ^^
Edit:
Also its like in HoN guys between 0 and 1700 enrage and Flame teambuddys or others,
Guys between 1700-1800 play good but well they enrage or flame to, the thin line between 1900-2xxx stays cool, give tipps, help and are nice + friendly.
And I think you are misinterpreting Zorena's post when you talk about "broken" extends. "Ultra boring setups with cruisers" is at the core of Zorena's complaints. And as you may have noticed when you encounter a TSI group, his dislike for cruisers and healing (which led to the funday ship restrictions) is not shared by all members of the fleet.
I asked for specifics. All I got from your sources and beagles is general cheese/spam QewQew... it's something I would expect more from some random pug who has no understanding of the game.
So, I am unconvinced and stand by my assertion that OrgQQ's hate all stems from getting pwned on ground over and over... so much so that they became spacers to hide from us. Then they see us in space and it all comes flooding back like PTSD. That's my working theory, anyway.
Ya, broken extend thing, so pls tell us what the hell is z talking about. And ur right, Extend 3 is very powerful and combined with tac-team its way op and i can call it spaming if u bring more then 1 of it with u.
Btw, i just repeated z's words.
LOL. The "cool kids/peer pressure" defense. Seriously?
I wanted to know, why you rule givers think SS 1/2 is ok while SS 3 isnt.
Tide was the only one giving some arguments about that.
Thanks for killing the threads purpose with your stupid flame wars.
Everybody can anticipate SS 1/2 spam being more than just a pain in the ***.