Damn Jakub you know we dont use SS3 - Faw - Pengs stop saying otherwise you use to be cool beans bro but not anymore, after you joined LF its like you turned 8 facings
Oh come on Tide there's huge diference between "use" and "used" right? Read my post one more time buddy.
Mr Cutter are talking about what happent long ago, you know after the Faw buff that we dont run it, oh not true I tried it for 2 hours in pvp after the so called (non) fixed and then I took it off again.
Sure I have 1 ship with SS2 max skilled with full aux tell you what ill take if off and replace it with SS1, yes I agree that SS2 can be brutal too so there you go. It could also be banned from Opvp turney I could agree with that too.
I'm sure I can speak for Cutter when I say this: we don't care what you use. Use any and every skill and item available in the game so long as you aren't exploiting. We are not the PvP police. We are sane people who realize how futile it is to attempt to control another player's build, equipment and skill choices in a game. We will adapt. That's what PvP'ers do. Anyone with any shred of MMO PvP experience knows that there will always be new items, skill tweaks and fotm. That's part of the treadmill. That's how MMOs work. To pine for total stagnation and think you can run the same builds and tactics since beta is insanity.
What we don't like is hypocrisy. People QewQew day and night about us using skills that that they, themselves, and everybody else uses... as a matter of fact, they can even be using it in the very match that sparks the QewQew. There is a double standard going on... it's OK for others but not for us. Captain Data represents this quite well... now it's because we use teamwork in conjunction with skills? But if we play without teamwork, like they do, then it would be OK? Then throw in some outright lies and use some "PvP math" like beagles (two scrambles per ship) and it turns from hypocrisy to slander.
Run your tournament with your rules. That's cool. It's great to see QewQew attempting to build instead of destroy community events. Dueling can and should have rules. Ever heard of "duel no pots?" That comes from UO. But I assure you, everyone used pots in open PvP and there was never a QewQew in sight*. To expect your arbitrary tournament rules to be followed in open PvP is pure insanity. That's just not how MMOs, PvP or human nature works.
* I could be wrong about that... maybe beagles invented the term "pot chugger."
You talk when I run faw3 escort with 4dbb, you know what we didn't really know it was op we even had a thread asking if this isn't doing too much dmg I remember that many thought it was quite alright.. I still think it did too much damage but how can you highlight that something is wrong unless you use it..
Don't get me wrong. Of course u must use a skill or u'll never notice if its working wrong or right, but u alrdy said so.
And i guess it was only bad luck that we always met a special team consisting of 1 or 2 escorts ans 3 or 4 cruisers all equipped with 4dbbs and all using faw3.
Im not talking about exploits, voldemort is a bug and happend from time to time.
What we don't like is hypocrisy. People QewQew day and night about us using skills that that they, themselves, and everybody else uses... as a matter of fact, they can even be using it in the very match that sparks the QewQew. There is a double standard going on... it's OK for others but not for us. Captain Data represents this quite well... now it's because we use teamwork in conjunction with skills? But if we play without teamwork, like they do, then it would be OK? Then throw in some outright lies and use some "PvP math" like beagles (two scrambles per ship) and it turns from hypocrisy to slander.
Was that backhanded compliment it sure felt like a back handed compliment...:o
Like I said I have a certain build my teammates usually have a certain build usually not complimentary but different I try and guide people in my fleet if they want to know how I do what I do but I hardly mandate builds. In LF/SoS we PvP with what we got we do not care if we do not have healers or sci guys. But like I said if I see a fleet that I know uses a TRIBBLE ton of SCI I will not play them I will zone or take my shields off. It isn't a learning experience because I refuse to play with teams or builds that every other cookie cutter fleet runs. This game is about fun if I have to pigeon hole myself to a particular setup in every day PvP then its not fun.
To LF/SoS members posting here my intent was not call anyone specific a bad apple but to state every fleet has people that does thing outside the intent of the fleet.
But like I said if I see a fleet that I know uses a TRIBBLE ton of SCI I will not play them I will zone or take my shields off. It isn't a learning experience because I refuse to play with teams or builds that every other cookie cutter fleet runs.
FS I know has 5-6 guys that constantly fly with each other with a team build same with QEW. I won't hide I hate FS and will refuse to play against their premade it isn't fun. I will play against a QEW, LORE, TSI, SOB some times, and 7th Core
You assert that FS uses "cookie cutter" builds like everyone else yet we get singled out as "bad" while it's OK for other fleets to do the same, exact thing. Double standard.
I won't let the argument "If it's in the game, you can use it" stand. It's the same BS members of TSI's famous Fringe team proclaim in OPVP and it's just not true. You can griefe in a game, but you shouldn't do that. You can call other players ********s, but you shouldn't. You can use Scramble3, but you shouldn't. And I'm still on the side, that SS should be banned alltogether. IMO it's the single one skill in this game that actually makes the game for others not fun to play. If 2 teams with many Scrambles encounter each other it's a total ****fest.
Also: Why is the idea of a PVP Police so bad? With Cryptic's track record of PVP support a Community PVP Police is the only option to make PVP enjoyable. So everyone should help working on some community guidelines to which people then stick.
I won't let the argument "If it's in the game, you can use it" stand. It's the same BS members of TSI's famous Fringe team proclaim in OPVP and it's just not true. You can griefe in a game, but you shouldn't do that. You can call other players ********s, but you shouldn't.
You must be new to QewQew. Ever heard of "fista f*gs" or one of its other equally unfunny and uncreative variations? Guess where that comes from.
You can use Scramble3, but you shouldn't. And I'm still on the side, that SS should be banned alltogether. IMO it's the single one skill in this game that actually makes the game for others not fun to play. If 2 teams with many Scrambles encounter each other it's a total ****fest.
Also: Why is the idea of a PVP Police so bad? With Cryptic's track record of PVP support a Community PVP Police is the only option to make PVP enjoyable. So everyone should help working on some community guidelines to which people then stick.
Let me clarify because you seem to have missed the broader philosophical point. Police yourselves. You can control that. What you cannot control is other people. It's insane to think you can. True honor comes from controlling your own actions, win or lose, no matter what the other player is doing. To cry foul afterwards because you handicapped yourself, no matter your reasoning, is, again, insane.
You assert that FS uses "cookie cutter" builds like everyone else yet we get singled out as "bad" while it's OK for other fleets to do the same, exact thing. Double standard.
Actually the term cookie cutter I mean fleets that try to do the same thing and a) fail horribly at it, b) add their own twist and fail horribly at it, c) try and fit in the rules and fail horribly at.
FS you guys are often imitated never duplicated. Just because your guys "cookie cutter" build is better than ones that try and duplicate it and fail. So no double standard. I will not name other fleets that that in my book are approaching your level because I really do not think its fair to call out whole fleets on the forums it is unfortunate that QEW, LF, and FS has been mentioned in this thread.
Dont meet the Fistas often in Space PVP these days but I can tell you: The big majority of the community is following the rules. I have to face maybe 1 or 2 SS 3 a day. Even a well known fleet stopped penging. Now everytime we see cheese (like mines, sacrambles, pengs or faw) we say "Oh, Pengs!" or "Ah, mine spam". Getting scrambled, penged or spammed is not a matter of course anymore.
It works.... totally insane
I won't let the argument "If it's in the game, you can use it" stand. It's the same BS members of TSI's famous Fringe team proclaim in OPVP and it's just not true. You can griefe in a game, but you shouldn't do that. You can call other players ********s, but you shouldn't. You can use Scramble3, but you shouldn't. And I'm still on the side, that SS should be banned alltogether. IMO it's the single one skill in this game that actually makes the game for others not fun to play. If 2 teams with many Scrambles encounter each other it's a total ****fest.
Also: Why is the idea of a PVP Police so bad? With Cryptic's track record of PVP support a Community PVP Police is the only option to make PVP enjoyable. So everyone should help working on some community guidelines to which people then stick.
Gaius tell me please what skills should be banned from the tournament league play then, do you want more or change something allow something? its not easy to say ban ss3 but leave the other two but the fact that came after the TSI FUNDAY was that it was't fun because everyone was't running sciteam, you had and abundance of tacteams because the scramble reduced the need of sciteam to like 2 per team due to snbs
Dont meet the Fistas often in Space PVP these days but I can tell you: The big majority of the community is following the rules. I have to face maybe 1 or 2 SS 3 a day. Even a well known fleet stopped penging. Now everytime we see cheese (like mines, sacrambles, pengs or faw) we say "Oh, Pengs!" or "Ah, mine spam". Getting scrambled, penged or spammed is not a matter of course anymore.
It works.... totally insane
Well, I do PvP these days and I see many fleets. Let me tell you... plenty are using mines, pengs, faw and even SS3. But whatever. I don't care what they use. It's the hypocrisy and lies that annoy me.
You also seem to misunderstand me. Never have I said we don't "police" our own builds. For example, despite popular, fact impaired assertions, none of us are running SS3. I'm saying we don't police other people's builds and QewQew about it.... because that would be... wait for it... insane.
Well, I do PvP these days and I see many fleets. Let me tell you... plenty are using mines, pengs, faw and even SS3. But whatever. I don't care what they use. It's the hypocrisy and lies that annoy me.
You also seem to misunderstand me. Never have I said we don't "police" our own builds. For example, despite popular, fact impaired assertions, none of us are running SS3. I'm saying we don't police other people's builds and QewQew about it.... because that would be... wait for it... insane.
I say go with what ever you want to do in the game if you want to use ss3 then do it its there to use. if the babys want to cry about it and they will. let them. Its all they have to do anyway. dont let it bother you do what you need to do to have fun in the game thats what matters. DO NOT bow down to others that say your a horrable pvpers unless you use these tourny rules that are set up for a one time event. Do what you want to have fun in game.
For everyone else learn how to counter ss3 its not hard to do. i will be happy to teach lessions weekly if need be. Just email me.
Gaius tell me please what skills should be banned from the tournament league play then, do you want more or change something allow something? its not easy to say ban ss3 but leave the other two but the fact that came after the TSI FUNDAY was that it was't fun because everyone was't running sciteam, you had and abundance of tacteams because the scramble reduced the need of sciteam to like 2 per team due to snbs
I don't think that I'm in a position to tell everyone else what to do. Get the fleet leaders on a TS server (or Vent if necessary) and let them discuss and vote. Majority rules.
I don't think that I'm in a position to tell everyone else what to do. Get the fleet leaders on a TS server (or Vent if necessary) and let them discuss and vote. Majority rules.
I think that would be fair. If GF couldn't make I am sure I could
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Oh come on Tide there's huge diference between "use" and "used" right? Read my post one more time buddy.
I'm sure I can speak for Cutter when I say this: we don't care what you use. Use any and every skill and item available in the game so long as you aren't exploiting. We are not the PvP police. We are sane people who realize how futile it is to attempt to control another player's build, equipment and skill choices in a game. We will adapt. That's what PvP'ers do. Anyone with any shred of MMO PvP experience knows that there will always be new items, skill tweaks and fotm. That's part of the treadmill. That's how MMOs work. To pine for total stagnation and think you can run the same builds and tactics since beta is insanity.
What we don't like is hypocrisy. People QewQew day and night about us using skills that that they, themselves, and everybody else uses... as a matter of fact, they can even be using it in the very match that sparks the QewQew. There is a double standard going on... it's OK for others but not for us. Captain Data represents this quite well... now it's because we use teamwork in conjunction with skills? But if we play without teamwork, like they do, then it would be OK? Then throw in some outright lies and use some "PvP math" like beagles (two scrambles per ship) and it turns from hypocrisy to slander.
Run your tournament with your rules. That's cool. It's great to see QewQew attempting to build instead of destroy community events. Dueling can and should have rules. Ever heard of "duel no pots?" That comes from UO. But I assure you, everyone used pots in open PvP and there was never a QewQew in sight*. To expect your arbitrary tournament rules to be followed in open PvP is pure insanity. That's just not how MMOs, PvP or human nature works.
* I could be wrong about that... maybe beagles invented the term "pot chugger."
If by spam, you mean shoot fast with CRF1, then yes!
Just tell your tactical officer to cancel the red alert and fly thru the debris field, you should be safe then
Does that make you a bad apple? No..if only because I run a similar setup on my 'chas and excels.
Nope just an apple
Don't get me wrong. Of course u must use a skill or u'll never notice if its working wrong or right, but u alrdy said so.
And i guess it was only bad luck that we always met a special team consisting of 1 or 2 escorts ans 3 or 4 cruisers all equipped with 4dbbs and all using faw3.
Im not talking about exploits, voldemort is a bug and happend from time to time.
Was that backhanded compliment it sure felt like a back handed compliment...:o
Like I said I have a certain build my teammates usually have a certain build usually not complimentary but different I try and guide people in my fleet if they want to know how I do what I do but I hardly mandate builds. In LF/SoS we PvP with what we got we do not care if we do not have healers or sci guys. But like I said if I see a fleet that I know uses a TRIBBLE ton of SCI I will not play them I will zone or take my shields off. It isn't a learning experience because I refuse to play with teams or builds that every other cookie cutter fleet runs. This game is about fun if I have to pigeon hole myself to a particular setup in every day PvP then its not fun.
To LF/SoS members posting here my intent was not call anyone specific a bad apple but to state every fleet has people that does thing outside the intent of the fleet.
does not jive with this:
You assert that FS uses "cookie cutter" builds like everyone else yet we get singled out as "bad" while it's OK for other fleets to do the same, exact thing. Double standard.
Also: Why is the idea of a PVP Police so bad? With Cryptic's track record of PVP support a Community PVP Police is the only option to make PVP enjoyable. So everyone should help working on some community guidelines to which people then stick.
Yesterday it was quite funny.
No ss-spam is fine, no extend spam is fine too, just 2 add.
You must be new to QewQew. Ever heard of "fista f*gs" or one of its other equally unfunny and uncreative variations? Guess where that comes from.
Let me clarify because you seem to have missed the broader philosophical point. Police yourselves. You can control that. What you cannot control is other people. It's insane to think you can. True honor comes from controlling your own actions, win or lose, no matter what the other player is doing. To cry foul afterwards because you handicapped yourself, no matter your reasoning, is, again, insane.
Actually the term cookie cutter I mean fleets that try to do the same thing and a) fail horribly at it, b) add their own twist and fail horribly at it, c) try and fit in the rules and fail horribly at.
FS you guys are often imitated never duplicated. Just because your guys "cookie cutter" build is better than ones that try and duplicate it and fail. So no double standard. I will not name other fleets that that in my book are approaching your level because I really do not think its fair to call out whole fleets on the forums it is unfortunate that QEW, LF, and FS has been mentioned in this thread.
Dont meet the Fistas often in Space PVP these days but I can tell you: The big majority of the community is following the rules. I have to face maybe 1 or 2 SS 3 a day. Even a well known fleet stopped penging. Now everytime we see cheese (like mines, sacrambles, pengs or faw) we say "Oh, Pengs!" or "Ah, mine spam". Getting scrambled, penged or spammed is not a matter of course anymore.
It works.... totally insane
Gaius tell me please what skills should be banned from the tournament league play then, do you want more or change something allow something? its not easy to say ban ss3 but leave the other two but the fact that came after the TSI FUNDAY was that it was't fun because everyone was't running sciteam, you had and abundance of tacteams because the scramble reduced the need of sciteam to like 2 per team due to snbs
Well, I do PvP these days and I see many fleets. Let me tell you... plenty are using mines, pengs, faw and even SS3. But whatever. I don't care what they use. It's the hypocrisy and lies that annoy me.
You also seem to misunderstand me. Never have I said we don't "police" our own builds. For example, despite popular, fact impaired assertions, none of us are running SS3. I'm saying we don't police other people's builds and QewQew about it.... because that would be... wait for it... insane.
I say go with what ever you want to do in the game if you want to use ss3 then do it its there to use. if the babys want to cry about it and they will. let them. Its all they have to do anyway. dont let it bother you do what you need to do to have fun in the game thats what matters. DO NOT bow down to others that say your a horrable pvpers unless you use these tourny rules that are set up for a one time event. Do what you want to have fun in game.
For everyone else learn how to counter ss3 its not hard to do. i will be happy to teach lessions weekly if need be. Just email me.
I don't think that I'm in a position to tell everyone else what to do. Get the fleet leaders on a TS server (or Vent if necessary) and let them discuss and vote. Majority rules.
I think that would be fair. If GF couldn't make I am sure I could
Thanks,
Stormshade