The question was not "Will the KDF be getting any Klingon Exclusive Content?" it was, "Will the KDF be getting any new content." His answer referenced a lot of universal content that can be enjoyed by the KDF and is thus, KDF content.
This interpretation misses a key point. The KDF needs a draw, a reason for people to play KDF specifically. Universal content is not a draw.
And, unfortunately, the things that were unique to the KDF are getting slowly eroded... IMHO, it's just a matter of time before the Feds get BoPs and Carriers.
I believe that the question was asked about more Klingon missions
That's nice, but since you didn't ask the question it again boils down to you believe the question meant something it did not specify. So your complaint is still specious.
"Super ship" is an exaggeration obviously, but some players have expressed a desire for just that and have even attempted to justify it. I stand by my view here. If this ship is released with full uni slots it will likely be OP and everyone save for a few, will pilot it. Again, there won't be much incentive not too.
And again, I look at Cryptics past actions, realize that if anything they overly nerf Universal Ships, and remain unworried.
Yeah, if an Enterprise comes out that completely over balances the game that will suck. If their solution to Science and Tactical officers in the Federation feeling like they are unable to compete with the new Enterprise is to give them universal Enterprises that appeal to them too, that will also suck, but we don't have any concrete reason to believe this will happen and it's such a self evidently bad idea that I'm not worried about it happening.
That's nice, but since you didn't ask the question it again boils down to you believe the question meant something it did not specify. So your complaint is still specious.
This is getting tiresome. It doesn't matter if I asked the question or not, "more klingon missions" = more KDF missions. Seems pretty specific. It does not mean more FED missions that the KDF can play too so they have something, nor does it refer to the weeklies which we already know the KDF has access too. Why is this so hard to understand?
Dstahl also said this in his reply, "So yes. We absolutely plan to release some great new content to show off the new combat updates in Season 4." I'm sorry but that was the summation of his answer, and it doesn't address KDF in it at all. I t talks about they new ground combat changes. See, Cryptic has shown multiple times that they quantify the ground update as both PvP and KDF new content. In a previous Ask Cryptic when asked if there were going to be anything new for PvP Dstahl answered yes, and then went on to say something like we would find the ground changes interesting for PvP. I mean come on that didn't even come close to answering what had been asked. At least not directly, as his answer indicated the opposite, that there would be no significant updates for PvP. So new ground combat mechanics = new KDF content = BS cryptic answer.
And again, I look at Cryptics past actions, realize that if anything they overly nerf Universal Ships, and remain unworried.
Yeah, if an Enterprise comes out that completely over balances the game that will suck. If their solution to Science and Tactical officers in the Federation feeling like they are unable to compete with the new Enterprise is to give them universal Enterprises that appeal to them too, that will also suck, but we don't have any concrete reason to believe this will happen and it's such a self evidently bad idea that I'm not worried about it happening.
You're right, what was I thinking? Cryptic would never release anything that's broken. :rolleyes: Hmm... just off the top of my head, what about;
Harpengs
New FAW
SS3
Season 1 VM3
Old CSV3
Old BTSSX abilities
Old Ramming Speed
RSP Chaining
BOP has lower hull points than equivalent Fed Escort...One less lower level BOff power mostly....except it also has battle cloak and higher turn rate. Some have more consoles than the Fed equiv.
Shields are identical by the way.
BOP's are not weakest by any means. Battle cloak makes up for that....big time.
Raptors are the Klingon direct copies of escorts... and what you will find is they are better in every way.. the cloaking ability of the Klingon Raptors, more hull, better shields..everything else the same.
Anything else well we can't compare KDF wins hands down ship for ship.
But universal BOff's would not be game breaking... what it means is in PvP you could not guess what your opponent has and what to do to overwhelm them until you get into the fight. Also between deaths a good captain could rearrange his BOffs to deal with what they are seeing in the fight. I see this as a way to bring in more un-certainty and tactics back into the PvP game. It why Fed players called and call the BOP over powered. They do not know what the ship is loaded out for. Are the BOP's so OP'd now that they need to be nerfed?
Makes it less of a Min/Max must have skill game.
Wow...plz play klingon atleast once if you are going talk about our ships , the raptor part had me rolling on the floor.You know why I don't talk about fed ships? Cuz my fed is like lvl 6 and I don't want to look like a fool you should try that mate.
Anyway its craziness to think giving ANY ship max shields max hull and than Uni BO slots is a good idea.....I would think or atleast hope people would know this.
You're right, what was I thinking? Cryptic would never release anything that's broken. :rolleyes: Hmm... just off the top of my head, what about;
Harpengs
New FAW
SS3
Season 1 VM3
Old CSV3
Old BTSSX abilities
Old Ramming Speed
RSP Chaining
:eek:
Well FAW is going to be fixed post season 4 if I remember correctly
And on the note of the New Enterprise he did say it could be universal or offer different variants of the ship that would attract all types players to the ship to at least try it out. If anything I'd imagine the variants idea will be the way they do it because despite the cries of many a Fed player the universal cruiser would be devastating even for both sides. So I'd be less expecting a Super Ship and more expecting a glorified Excelsior/StarCruiser/Sovereign on the way. I'm an honest player but even if it were universal I'd more than likely at the very least give it a try. We'd all probably be forced to use it to stay competitive in PVP. All I hope is if we do get a universal cruiser on the Fed side we should have an equivalent Klink side aswell.
Well FAW is going to be fixed post season 4 if I remember correctly
That's true, and thankfully many other broken things have been fixed.
And on the note of the New Enterprise he did say it could be universal or offer different variants of the ship that would attract all types players to the ship to at least try it out. If anything I'd imagine the variants idea will be the way they do it because despite the cries of many a Fed player the universal cruiser would be devastating even for both sides. So I'd be less expecting a Super Ship and more expecting a glorified Excelsior/StarCruiser/Sovereign on the way. I'm an honest player but even if it were universal I'd more than likely at the very least give it a try. We'd all probably be forced to use it to stay competitive in PVP. All I hope is if we do get a universal cruiser on the Fed side we should have an equivalent Klink side aswell.
Pretty much agree with you here. The fact that Dstahl gave the impression they would entertain something so ridiculous is mind boggling to many who care about the balance of this game.
You're right, what was I thinking? Cryptic would never release anything that's broken. :rolleyes: Hmm... just off the top of my head, what about;
Harpengs
New FAW
SS3
Season 1 VM3
Old CSV3
Old BTSSX abilities
Old Ramming Speed
RSP Chaining
:eek:
And the number of those things that broke the game? How many times did any of those individual things cause the MAJORITY of players to crowd to a single class of ship? No, I'm afraid this list of examples does not prove your point or negate mine.
And the number of those things that broke the game? How many times did any of those individual things cause the MAJORITY of players to crowd to a single class of ship? No, I'm afraid this list of examples does not prove your point or negate mine.
They have yet to release a T6 FED cruiser with all universals... so I guess that means no examples will suffice? My example proves that even in all their wisdom, they release broken ****. That's it... end of story. Past performance proves it and it can't be discounted.
Hmm. I guess the all caps "MAJORITY" is your way of saying that the KDF players and PvPers opinions and feedback don't matter as they don't factor into the "MAJORITY."
Many have made attempts to justify such a ship, maybe not a God ship though, LOL. Most if not all are primarily Fed players. So based on the things you have said I have lumped you into that general category. All I'm saying is I fail to understand how anyone who wants this game to succeed throws ship balance out the window so they can have something they think is kewl (not saying that is you).
:eek:Ok i didn't want to start a war over this,the new enterprise has got alot of hate.All i wanted was to make it a universal ship so we can all have a go.some science captains would love to fly a cruiser but would loose many of there science powers (same if you are a tactical captain) .If they would give us one universal commander Boff
I don't want to take anything away from the KDF (I play on the klingon side too) or throw ship balance out of the window.If they did this then the klingons need a new flagship as well NO GOD SHIP ON FEDS OR KDF
They could if they ever raised some valid complaints. But as things are you mostly get paranoid speculation here. *shrug*
It's not an invalid concern to point out that maybe a ship with all universal stations might not be balance able well. It's also not paranoid speculation if dstahl comes out and says: "I like this idea with the universal stations on the new ship!" It Dr.No says "I want you to die, Mr.Bond", it's not paranoid speculation to say that he wants to kill Bond.
I could also point out to the fact that it required player input to avoid stuff like Dual Commander Retrofits going live, or to convince the devs that science vessels like the DSSV or the Varanus need a decent turn rate to be workeable. And despite the warning about the Dual Commander feedback, before the Excelsior was released to Tribble, it was discussed by the devs to have 2 Lt.Cmdr slots - that also required player feedback.
And now we are again at a spot where something potentially unbalanced is discussed by Cryptic. And so we look at our past experience and think that it is not only a valid concern, but that we should voice it early (and also that it will most likely get heard!).
Oh, and if the question comes up about "why can only Klings can get nice things"
- Carriers should not even be in this game and they are definitely not nice things.
- I personally would not be oppose to rebalancing the BoP to have some more limited bridge stations in exchange for better defensive qualities.
- Ablative Armor, Excelsior stations, MVAM, they are all very nice things the KDF can't have either. So it balances out, if we just count "nice things".
The problem with both is that it's in the game, changing it will **** off a lot of people, so Cryptic can't do it. But that can't be used as excuse to make things worse.
ye the days when they had time to sit back an throw ideas an submit wishlists is long gone, the days are now coming up when real contenders are floating out, eve has the new expantion to there game coming out, a true fps ground mode,...
Yes, you might want to read up on that a bit more as DUST 514 is slated top just be an FPS on the PS3 using the EVE background as a backdrop. There won't be any integration of it as a 'ground combat game system tied into EVE Online itself. That was a big dissapointment to a lot of folks at E3.
And CCP has it's own PR nightmare currently as the Incarna update in general was not well received, nor will the 'Captain's Quarters' be optional (as promised long ago) - and then there's the fact it took CCP 5 years to finally add this first part pf "Walking in Stations". Then there's EVE's new MT store (makes prices in the Cryptic C-Store seen trivial in comparison - $80.00 U.S. for a Monacle for a single character (and it can be lost in EVE Combat) - and the shirsts and pants (per character) are just as outrageous. But, the real fear fpr longtime EVE players is if they decide to start offering game changing gear (that some goups worked months/years for in the MT stopre - something CCPs CEO seems to want to do at some point (and CCP is tiptoing around answering direct questions on the subject.
you have swtor coming out soon
Whick most people say plays like WoW with Lightsabers, (not necisarrily a bad thing); but SWToR doesn't have a true space combat system (Sorry, a 2D railshooter mini-game that can be skipped if the player so chooses doesn't cut it for me) - and STYO's space combat is considered good by most; so once SWToR hits - if you want a Sci Fi MMO with actual space based combat and PvP - it's only going top be STO or EVE (SWG will be shut down by the time SWToR hits.
and then you have the battlefield 3 franchise and next gen fable an acc on the horizon. cryptic has sat on star treks coat tails for long enough an its time they delivered on what they promised to the kdf 2 years ago.
There's a lot of Mech FPS and High Fantasy games already out. If people prefer those genres, nothing STO doers will grab them all taht much to begin with
season 4 better be the mutts nuts and cos decorating my school books never improved my grades and neither will cryptic redecorating qu'nos improve there standing by much for so long. so yay they have done the new ground update but it is in no way fps or anywhere near fps, the use of kits and spells are bulky an incoherant. they should have just ditched the whole ground combat and rebuilt the ground game from the floor up instead of trying to adapt an rpg version into an fps version.
The shooter mode isn't true FPS (and was never adevertised as such); and the RPG mode isn't going anywhere, so if players prefer the the more MMO standard ground combat interface, it's still there - it's just that the weapons, animations, and flow of ground combat in general has been re-worked and retuned (and the 'insta on shot' MOBs seem to be gone - Boss MOBs still hurt at times; but at least they don't wipe you before you know what hit you (at least on the Tribble Test weekend build.)
ask yourself this, if this wasnt star trek and we wernt klingons,orions,nausicaans,gorn and letheans would you still be here cos we got launch wait for season 1 for us to fix, then its comimg s2 then s3 then s4 now just after season for and for sure it will be in s5.
And the flipside would be - if this wasn't based on Star Trek the De vs wouldn't have the extra 'baggage' of tryingh to make the game 'feel like Star Trek' (and given if you ask 10 Star Trek fans, "What is Star Trek all about?" - you'll get 10 different answers. So, the Styar Trek IP can be seen as a double edged sword - part blessing and part curse.
Overall, even with the flaws - I do think the 'Ask Cryptic' still shows a Dev team taking this game in the right direction overall. Given SWG is closing December 15, 2011 - I doubt we'll see SWToR launch prior to that date (and maybe a bit after, like Christmas); so STO will probably see one more Season Update, and perhaps 2 - 3 FE series prior to SWToR.
As for EVE Online, if the Forums are any indication, we're getting a gfew EVE refugees for the ime being. Depending on whatr CCP does in response to their current Playerbase concerns, we may see more stay then go back, some may sub to both, and some will just return totally to EVE.
As for the universal boff stations, how many viable options do you think there are for the four boff stations? No nearly as many as you would think. Wrong. It would be game breaking as it becomes the best ship in game. Incentive to fly any other craft is lost. So it becomes a bunch of the same cruiser fighting a bunch of the same cruisers. Might as well end the KDF faction sense they won't have anything equivalent to counter such a craft/team. Anyone calling the BOP OP or the KDF OP, really needs to get a clue, because it just isn't the case.
SO please explain......Which opinion you hold?
You say Universal BOff ships have many limitations, then you say it is OP.
Also I have flown all the KDF craft and your assessment are based on forum trolls not knowing how to fly their ships. One for one, at tier level and weapon level, KDF Raptors and Cruisers are superior to their Fed counterparts. But skill plays a major factor in winning in PvP that and team work, but we are talking one on one.
My Opinion....
Many have made attempts to justify such a ship, maybe not a God ship though, LOL. Most if not all are primarily Fed players. So based on the things you have said I have lumped you into that general category. All I'm saying is I fail to understand how anyone who wants this game to succeed throws ship balance out the window so they can have something they think is kewl (not saying that is you).
Ship Balance is a fallacy...unless we all fly the same ship with the same load outs and Officer skills.
Since ships exist in game with all universal BO slotting and the game did not die due to tragic imbalance issues. I do not see why this becomes an issue...except for the old sad argument...KDF have Universal BO's and the FEDDIES can't, if they do its not fair, it will destroy the game...PvP will end.. it will mean the KDF will fail...
the meanies stole everything else..Orion slave girls..universal BO slots...oh wait....What's next we will lose carriers to them...and then Targs...oh the horrors...
The is also a thread asking about a possible KDF flagship... who is to say we won't get that as a direct counter to the Ent-F?
I just don't get this...I want new content ....but only for my faction...what the heck?
I play both factions and run a fleet on each side.. and I love where content is going...neutral and more end game is awesome. If you feel limited on the KDF side roll a Fed-Klink.
It's not an invalid concern to point out that maybe a ship with all universal stations might not be balance able well. It's also not paranoid speculation if dstahl comes out and says: "I like this idea with the universal stations on the new ship!" It Dr.No says "I want you to die, Mr.Bond", it's not paranoid speculation to say that he wants to kill Bond.
Except of course that a ship with all universal stations is perfectly balanceable so it is an invalid concern. In fact, a universal cruiser would be EASIER to balance than the Bird of Prey as it won't have the battle cloak variable to anticipate. Now, maybe I'm wrong, I invite you to explain exactly WHY you think it's hard to balance an all universal bridge officer set up on a cruiser. THAT would turn this discussion relevant.
But even if it comes out unbalanced. So what? Do you think it won't get nerfed down if it's over powered? Do you honestly think that Cryptic has any long term attachment to making sure a ship that will offer at most three similar modes of play ruins the fun for the majority of the player base? Do you honestly think, as Victory appears to, that a Universal Cruiser would appeal to such a wide range of players that soon almost everyone on the Federation side would be playing it? If you do share this belief of his, I would certainly LOVE to hear your reasoning.
Q: KBFLordKrueg Now that we have a beautifully redone QonoS, can we hope for more Klingon missions soon as well?
A: With launching Season 4, the entire team is focused on adding new content over the months ahead that will utilize all the new cool features and combat updates in this release. We are currently in development on the following content: Featured Episode Series 4 which will take place around Deep Space 9, Special Task Force updates to improve and balance these missions into something fun and/or challenging to play, Borg Invasion Events which will include a weekly ground assault on a to be announced species homeworld as well as hourly Borg Deep Space incursions into all sectors, new locale flavored neighborhood missions for social zones, OpenPVP Encounters, and four new Fleet Actions (1 exclusive ground and space FA for each faction). So yes. We absolutely plan to release some great new content to show off the new combat updates in Season 4. All of this content is currently scheduled to release at various stages in Season 4 between now and October.
I did indeed mean "klingon content" not, "universal content"
But, I did ask also about aother featured series also.
My entire posted question was:
"Now that we have a beautifully redone Quonos, can we hope for more Klingon missions soon as well?
Or maybe at least a new Featured series, not just remastered ones?"
So, I guess he did answer the second part, there will be another new featured series...which is good.
And, they're going to "update" some missions, unfortunate they'll be for only the upper ranks as all the Borg missions are.
But, I also notice there is NO actual mention of additional Klingon content.
He does mention new Fleet action mission, 1 per faction.
He says "Yes, We absolutely plan to release some great new content to show off the new combat updates in Season 4.
But, his answer strongly implies it'll be "universal content" not something that'll help Klingons with the grind of doing the same missions dozens and dozens of times to Rank up.
And since the new combat updates are all for ground, I assume that'll be ground missions, probably additional exploration ones, just speculating there, tho.
With PvP being almost non-existant at lower ranks, Klingons have little choice.
I would have like to have heard "Yes, there will a new story arc set of missions for the Klingons" or "Yes, we will be adding some new Klingon content to help players to rank without redoing missions literally dozens of times to achieve the rank needed to do the really cool STFs we've worked so hard on"
*sigh*
Yeah, it was an answer to make any politician proud...
It is what it is, no sense in bashing them or anyone else over it.
Yes, you might want to read up on that a bit more as DUST 514 is slated top just be an FPS on the PS3 using the EVE background as a backdrop. There won't be any integration of it as a 'ground combat game system tied into EVE Online itself. That was a big dissapointment to a lot of folks at E3.
whos talking anything about it being tied directly into eve as if you can switch from space to ground, the games are still tied into each other on 2 bases. its still going to be a good game.
And CCP has it's own PR nightmare currently as the Incarna update in general was not well received, nor will the 'Captain's Quarters' be optional (as promised long ago) - and then there's the fact it took CCP 5 years to finally add this first part pf "Walking in Stations". Then there's EVE's new MT store (makes prices in the Cryptic C-Store seen trivial in comparison - $80.00 U.S. for a Monacle for a single character (and it can be lost in EVE Combat) - and the shirsts and pants (per character) are just as outrageous. But, the real fear fpr longtime EVE players is if they decide to start offering game changing gear (that some goups worked months/years for in the MT stopre - something CCPs CEO seems to want to do at some point (and CCP is tiptoing around answering direct questions on the subject.
im kdf remember i dont have a c-store to waste my money on, thats the feds job. the only thing i have to dish c-store cash out on is my races ship
Whick most people say plays like WoW with Lightsabers, (not necisarrily a bad thing); but SWToR doesn't have a true space combat system (Sorry, a 2D railshooter mini-game that can be skipped if the player so chooses doesn't cut it for me) - and STYO's space combat is considered good by most; so once SWToR hits - if you want a Sci Fi MMO with actual space based combat and PvP - it's only going top be STO or EVE (SWG will be shut down by the time SWToR hits.
no one knows when swtor is coming out they refuse to say so blizzard cannot do a counter launch with something, so what space can be dodge, its a dogfight mode, does that stop it being a great game, 200 hours mission gameplay differing per class and side, that says enough for me.swg was the nuts pre cu if this is anything like it im quite happy to run around with a bfg instead of a bathleth. so in the enddoes this make it a worse game.
There's a lot of Mech FPS and High Fantasy games already out. If people prefer those genres, nothing STO doers will grab them all taht much to begin with
bf3 and mw3 players will play this too, alot of bf2 hardcores havnt really had a game to sink there teeth into, they will with bf3, is that gonna stop them being a great game.
The shooter mode isn't true FPS (and was never adevertised as such); and the RPG mode isn't going anywhere, so if players prefer the the more MMO standard ground combat interface, it's still there - it's just that the weapons, animations, and flow of ground combat in general has been re-worked and retuned (and the 'insta on shot' MOBs seem to be gone - Boss MOBs still hurt at times; but at least they don't wipe you before you know what hit you (at least on the Tribble Test weekend build.)
your right its not a true fps shooter mode, the point is if your going to emulate fps why not just go the whole hog and do it instead of creating something that is about as equal as command and conquer rebel.
And the flipside would be - if this wasn't based on Star Trek the De vs wouldn't have the extra 'baggage' of tryingh to make the game 'feel like Star Trek' (and given if you ask 10 Star Trek fans, "What is Star Trek all about?" - you'll get 10 different answers. So, the Styar Trek IP can be seen as a double edged sword - part blessing and part curse.
means nothing, one mans tea is another mans coffee, the basic premis is the same, cryptic took up the challange so they should rise to it.
They have yet to release a T6 FED cruiser with all universals... so I guess that means no examples will suffice? My example proves that even in all their wisdom, they release broken ****. That's it... end of story. Past performance proves it and it can't be discounted.
Hmm. I guess the all caps "MAJORITY" is your way of saying that the KDF players and PvPers opinions and feedback don't matter as they don't factor into the "MAJORITY."
Actually no, the all caps "MAJORITY" was my way of calling your attention to how ridiculous your assertion is. You basically want us to agree that a T6 Universal Cruiser would be the ship played by the MAJORITY of Federation players because it would be overpowered becuase Cryptic occasionally releases broken stuff that they, in the majority of your examples, have fixed. You give this as a reason because you can't explain how it would be overpowered, and you've already admited it can be balanced.
You are so far from raising a relevant concern or a rational argument that if you keep at it you'll end up accidentally making a good argument for my position.
Except of course that a ship with all universal stations is perfectly balanceable so it is an invalid concern. In fact, a universal cruiser would be EASIER to balance than the Bird of Prey as it won't have the battle cloak variable to anticipate. Now, maybe I'm wrong, I invite you to explain exactly WHY you think it's hard to balance an all universal bridge officer set up on a cruiser. THAT would turn this discussion relevant.
But even if it comes out unbalanced. So what? Do you think it won't get nerfed down if it's over powered? Do you honestly think that Cryptic has any long term attachment to making sure a ship that will offer at most three similar modes of play ruins the fun for the majority of the player base? Do you honestly think, as Victory appears to, that a Universal Cruiser would appeal to such a wide range of players that soon almost everyone on the Federation side would be playing it? If you do share this belief of his, I would certainly LOVE to hear your reasoning.
The BoP's are blanced BECAUSE of battle cloak , not inspite of it as you suggest.When a BoP is running , or battle cloaking its not attack you? Right? This is where the blance comes from.
It has the weakest shields and hull if you put uni slots on a ship with the greatest shields and hull that would be a HUGE misstake it would not even need to battle cloak giving the attacked ship time to rest , because it would need no rest it would out gun and out last any ship going.
Would it be nerfed sure after months of pengs and FAW hits tho how timely the nerf would be is in question.
Ship Balance is a fallacy...unless we all fly the same ship with the same load outs and Officer skills.
On the contrary I would argue that this claim is a fallacy.
It is possible to balance differently working abilities. The point of balanced ships is that they have drawbacks and advantages and neither can be ignored. Especially since the PvP in Startrek Online is team-based, balance is a lot easier, because the purpose is only that every ship has a viable role to fill in that team. And this type of balance can also be found in team-based PvE, like STFs or Fleet Actions...
Ya know,, I NEVER respond to these negative " bash cryptic" posts, however i feel the time is right. I have been playing this game since open Beta. After 20 minutes I bought a 1 year sub, then after 1 year i bought a lifetime sub ya know why? THIS GAME IS AWESOME!
Sure its got its issues, its got its LONGGGGG standing bugs, but WHAT GAME DOESNT? My brother has been playing WoW for over 5 years and he said when he first started even that game had its issues.
All you people who BASH Cryptic for no KLINGON content need to get over yourselfs!!! Maybe the Klingons where an afterthought, maybe the game wasnt QUITE ready for release, Maybe lately there has been no REAL content additions: SO FRACKEN WHAT!
I have 4 fed characters and two klingon characters to keep me busy, and you know what? i dont RUSH to get to max lvl just so i can COMPLAIN about the lack of content, i actually PLAY the bloody game!!!!!!!!!
IN closing, to EVERYONE who thinks cryptic isnt doing a good job with this game here's an idea: START YOUR OWN GAME COMPANY AND SEE IF YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!
$100 bucks says YOU FAIL!!!!!
To the Cryptic team ( not that any of them will actually read this ) KEEP up the good work and dont get discouraged by a few malcontents who will probably NEVER be happy with ANYTHING in there miserable lives.
THank you and Carry on!
One more thing: THis is not a PERSONAL attack on ANY who posted on this thread or in the forums, its just me expressing my frustration for the negativety that CONSTANTLY shows up here.
The sad thing is that Cryptic has made mention of new Klingon content in the past that still hasn't happened, yet players who prefer Klingon keep getting their hopes up. It's time to own up to the truth, which is Cryptic sees no financial incentive to improve Klingon faction gameplay as long as they can make more money by adding stuff that's Federation-only or universal.
Here's the thing, though: we KNOW Klingons will always be second-class citizens in this game. Players who want more Klingon-specific content don't really want equal content to the Federation, just more than what is currently there. PvE leveling is a mess, and adjusting the current crop of missions to stretch out better won't fix the problem. Making some of the Federation-only missions playable for Klingons will help if done right, but from what I've read that's all still in the hazy future, not actively in production.
At a minimum, what would it be fair to expect as a player who prefers to play Klingon? How about:
K'tinga/D7 refit (no-brainer and LONG overdue)
One new Klingon house conflict PvE episode per rank (one ongoing story taking a player from their first command all the way to the level cap)
One alternative skin, ship, or hull per ship class/rank (Feds get three hulls per rank and class minimum; one additional isn't too much to ask)
Additional Klingon melee weapons (just two would be enough)
BOFFs for each playable Klingon faction race (Lethean, for instance)
An alternative buff device equivalent to tribbles (I suggest a battle song we can sing! For glory and honor!)
One BOFF race with a space trait to balance out Human space trait (even if it's a new trait for an existing BOFF race)
One non-Klingon ship per rank (Orion, Nausicaan, or Gorn -- JUST ONE)
One Klingon-accessible station in each sector space zone Feds have a station except for Earth's sector (Ferengi, mercenary, or captured)
Transwarp abilities for at least 3 far-flung outposts
I'm not saying Klingons should get all this at once, but each and every point above is needed for the faction to approach respectability. If one or two of these points is addressed every 2 months, it would still take a year to get to that minimum acceptable content. Unfortunately, at the current pace it seems that some of these will never be added.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the universal content. I have three Feds and three Klingons (well, a Borg Klingon, Lethean and Trill to be exact), all at the cap. I prefer PvE, but my Lethean and Borg Klingon did the mostly-PvP route to get to the initial General cap. I know exactly how much difference there is between one faction and the other. It's a bit of a disgrace, frankly. At this point my only incentive to play Klingon is I prefer the guys in our fleet over doing PUGs Fed-side.
Oh, and about Qo'noS: thanks for nothing. I don't agree that it was worth the effort. Give Klingons real content, not eye candy that makes players have to run around even more to find the basic services at our home base. My comment to my fleetmates was roughly "making it take longer to run around doing errands between missions helps hide the fact that there's so little content to spend time on." If Cryptic had put that amount of effort into ANY of the stuff I listed above, I would have been thrilled with Season 4.
Why can't the Klingons get a major content patch that's actual content? Will Feds stop playing if they don't get as much (but usually more) in one patch as the other faction? No, and maybe more of them will roll a Klingon to play the new content. Win-win, anyone?
The BoP's are blanced BECAUSE of battle cloak , not inspite of it as you suggest.When a BoP is running , or battle cloaking its not attack you? Right? This is where the blance comes from.
So in your style of play the battle cloak, the ability to pick and choose when you fight, is a limitation? Interesting. I would only point out that when a BoP is running, most other ships would be dead and waiting for respawn so your logic seems a tad flawed.
It has the weakest shields and hull if you put uni slots on a ship with the greatest shields and hull that would be a HUGE misstake it would not even need to battle cloak giving the attacked ship time to rest , because it would need no rest it would out gun and out last any ship going.
So you think the new Enterprise would have the 'greatest shields and hull.' I would suggest you scroll up to prior discussions made about how a "universal cruiser" can be balanced and you'll see that what you're talking about is not even remotely related to the post you are responding too.
Would it be nerfed sure after months of pengs and FAW hits tho how timely the nerf would be is in question.
Months of Pengs? Well, we are coming up on it being out for two months so, you're almost right. Well really, that depends on how over powered it is, if it even comes out as overpowered. You still haven't made a decent argument that it would.
Why can't the Klingons get a major content patch that's actual content? Will Feds stop playing if they don't get as much (but usually more) in one patch as the other faction? No, and maybe more of them will roll a Klingon to play the new content. Win-win, anyone?
In a word yes. If this game goes too long without new content for people's main characters, some people will lose interest and stop playing. Probably enough to do more than counter any in game benefits they'd have from people rolling Klingon to play the new content.
The problem is as told before cryptic does not get it. We have told them before start what needs to be in the game way before launch for it to be a decent mmo. The RTS factor of the game is taking president over the MMO portion. I dont pay 15 bucks a month to play call of duty in the star trek universe. I dont want to be a mindless drone rolling around to just kill things easier.
I see in this ask cryptic more of the same with maybes and sounds great to do perhaps season 5. maybe later on. Hmmm if i get the ask cryptic from season 3 segments ill see the same thing. maybes or perhaps. The notion of a congressman just talking to talk is so true. The major problem in the game is lack of transparent function of the development. This is an MMO yet cryptic treats it like a RTS. no one answers this question from cryptic. so its either they dont get it or we dont get it.
In a word yes. If this game goes too long without new content for people's main characters, some people will lose interest and stop playing. Probably enough to do more than counter any in game benefits they'd have from people rolling Klingon to play the new content.
I didn't ask if Feds would quit if they got NO new content, just less than Klingons in one patch. It's sad that people think this way, considering both factions are open to everyone, but in the absence of substantive new content for the Klingon faction, it's only natural the us against them mentality would only grow over time. Really, would it be the end of STO if there was one Klingon-centric major patch that added more to that faction than to the Federation gameplay? Even then, the Klingon experience would remain a fraction of the game compared to the Federation-only content.
Here your short answer was incorrect. Dstahl's lengthy answer addressed the issue raised on a number of different fronts and answered unequivocally that yes, there would be new missions for Klingons.
no both his answers were quite correct. dstahl evaded the question directly and talked about everything else they want to do without actually addressing the original question. just like a politician. that also implies that the answer is no.
That might be an interesting thought, or a disappointing one. Why do you think a Universal BOFF station for every ship based around the new First Officer System is short sighted?
simple: because as another posted stated, everyone will want to fly them. hence it will be 'enterprise f online' before long. and you can be sure that this is very much intentional. why? because you can also be sure that it will be a cstore ship, and the universal slot thrown in to make people want that slot, and thus have to buy the ship.
Sure its got its issues, its got its LONGGGGG standing bugs, but WHAT GAME DOESNT? My brother has been playing WoW for over 5 years and he said when he first started even that game had its issues.
STO has long standing bugs that should never have been allowed to get into the final product to begin with. bugs that were pointed out by players during testing, that somehow managed to even make it that far (tell me, how does a major game crashing bug actually manage to make it through not only the staffs internal testing server but the beta server as well...several times?) to say nothing of bugs that should have been fixed a year ago but haven't. yet they still keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.
All you people who BASH Cryptic for no KLINGON content need to get over yourselfs!!! Maybe the Klingons where an afterthought, maybe the game wasnt QUITE ready for release, Maybe lately there has been no REAL content additions: SO FRACKEN WHAT!
you can stop acting like an ignorant fanboi now. people are 'bashing' cryptic because they lied about what was supposed to be done for the klingon faction. they did not deliver on promises, they keep refusing to do so and making rediculous excuses. and 'not quite ready'? seriously? it was at launched at least 2 years earlier than it should have been. in a state that most games aren't even ready for alpha testing yet. and yes it DOES matter that there hasn't been content additions. because sooner or later klingon players will have enough of that and quit. not only will cryptic lose alot of their player base (almost 1 in 5 of their players is klingon by cryptics own statements) they will lose the money that comes from those players, which will limit their development resources even more. to say nothing of the negative things those players will have to say about cryptic
IN closing, to EVERYONE who thinks cryptic isnt doing a good job with this game here's an idea: START YOUR OWN GAME COMPANY AND SEE IF YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!
$100 bucks says YOU FAIL!!!!!
I did start my own game company. and I am doing better. the fact is they are not doing a good job at present.
To the Cryptic team ( not that any of them will actually read this ) KEEP up the good work and dont get discouraged by a few malcontents who will probably NEVER be happy with ANYTHING in there miserable lives.
you can stop acting like a child now. people are complaining because they have legitimate reasons to complain. if this is the 'good work' you want them to keep up, this game won't likely be here for a whole lot longer.
One more thing: THis is not a PERSONAL attack on ANY who posted on this thread or in the forums, its just me expressing my frustration for the negativety that CONSTANTLY shows up here.
looks like an attack to me. and the negativity is showing up here because there are good reasons for it to
1. KDF player base is small and is never...NEVER.... going to come any where near the Federation player base
not if it remains the way it has for the last 18 months. and you are in no position to say it won't come anywhere near the fed player base in the number of people playing
2. The KDF is not like other MMO's second faction....Cryptic's one mistake was trying to sell it like it was.
a faction is a faction. it is the same as any other mmo. cryptics mistake was rushing it through the door when the game and faction were not even remotely finished.
3. THERE IS NO PARITY IN CONTENT AND SHOULD NEVER BE.
there should be a parity in content. games that create half a game and ignore a large percentage of their players do not survive. and yes there should be a parity in content
If there was such a massive demand for KDF over FED content any company that wants to stay in business goes to meet the largest demand they can. Sadly KDF is not that largest demand, but they keep getting us stuff so be happy.
klingon players comprise 18% of the player base. thats 1 in 5 players. that sounds like a pretty massive demand to me. and you are implying that companies will do that because thats what makes sense. and that is what makes sense. but the reality is companies don't always do things that make sense. and 'giving us stuff' isn't a reason to shut up and be happy. they are barely doing anything klingon wise
Also for Content if DStahl comes across with the remastered and enhanced PvE leveling system for the KDF side, plus all the future faction-neutral content, plus the ability to team with Feddies for STF's and a new tutorial missions. I think I will be more than happy, I'd be estatic.
nothing in this list will have any impact on the number of klingon players
What the un-happy members of our community need to ask themselves is what will satisfy them?
Is it a realistic demand or is it based on ideas that are never going to materialize?
a faction thats done properly will satisfy them. heres the thing, if that doesn't materialize, cryptic will lose a very large chunk of its player base. that will be a major nail in the coffin of this game
The question was not "Will the KDF be getting any Klingon Exclusive Content?" it was, "Will the KDF be getting any new content." His answer referenced a lot of universal content that can be enjoyed by the KDF and is thus, KDF content. It also made reference to some 'local neighborhood' dailies that we can assume will match Starfleet but have KDF exclusive versions. I'm sorry that you didn't grasp it and that he answered the question he was asked, not the question you wanted to have asked, but your complaint is without merit.
you're playing semantics. dstahl knew exactly what the question was asking. he skirted it and used doubletalk to get around what was really being asked.
Ship Balance is a fallacy...unless we all fly the same ship with the same load outs and Officer skills.
not really. different ships have different setups because they have different numbers of slots. you don't sent a battleship after a submarine, you send a destroyer - its much smaller but its loaded out to detect and destroy subs. same idea here.
The problem is as told before cryptic does not get it.
Actually no, the all caps "MAJORITY" was my way of calling your attention to how ridiculous your assertion is. You basically want us to agree that a T6 Universal Cruiser would be the ship played by the MAJORITY of Federation players because it would be overpowered becuase Cryptic occasionally releases broken stuff that they, in the majority of your examples, have fixed. You give this as a reason because you can't explain how it would be overpowered, and you've already admited it can be balanced.
You are so far from raising a relevant concern or a rational argument that if you keep at it you'll end up accidentally making a good argument for my position.
The majority of FED players have played cruisers for a long time (hence STO's nick name was Cruisers Online)... only recently have they expanded into sci becuase of the OP nature of some sci abilities. No i will not be going into detail on them... if you don't know and would like to, conduct your own search. Go ahead and say it ain't true and you prove that you don't know ****. So yes it's a reletively safe bet that the majority of Fed players, that already play in cruisers, will elect to move into a cruiser with full universals. I will not go into the million different ways this cruiser could be overpowered... is a list really required? And haven't several others pointed out already that you can't compare the weakest ship with universals to a cruiser that has larger shields, hulls, devices, and weapons then all the other ships. Do I need to make redundant comments or will the arguements of others be taken into account?
On the other hand you keep claiming there is nothing to worry about. When showed that many of us have concerns based on cypric's track record, you blow that off claiming the examples aren't relevant because none concerned a ship with universals. All you've really done is taken pieces of what I've said out of context to attempt to disqualify my opinion or just discount it all together as irrational. I'd like to remind you that you are not the only one entitled to an opinion here. If you really want to perpetuate this then go ahead and post your build proposal and we''ll go from there.
Additionally, I never admmited to anything. In an attempt to be diplomatic I stated that it MAY be possible to be balanced. I ceertainly never said that it still wouldn't have player diversity issues, and I never said Cryptic could release a cruiser with all universal boff stations perfectly balanced as my point has been they aren't good at considering the balance of things prior to release.
Your previous arguement of "so what" if it's OP they'll fix it later indicates how truly weak your stance is. Oops, did you accidently say something to justify our concern here? I think so. According to you it can be OP, but hopefully Cryptic would balance it later. LOL. How many things are still broke in this game that impact gameplay balance? And yes, people have left and will continue to leave due to balance issues.
I will also add your attempts to flame and troll me are not appreciated. As for my arguements, they have have been right on the mark; That, in my opinion and many others, a T6 Fed Cruiser with full universals will ruin game balance and diversity. The fact you have a problem discerning a rational thought from that speaks volumes. BWAHAHAHAHA! I haven't raised a valid concern or rationale arguement?! Anyone with half a brain considers game play balance, and certainly knows that is is important. A Fed cruiser with full universals has major imbalance implications. And hmmm... looks like you gave up on the the whole "more Klingon missions" aspect of this thread. So contrary to what you said it is you that has failed to raise a valid argument on why we shouldn't be concerned here. It is you that had the meaning of the original Ask Cryptic question wrong. You can take your insults and disrespect somewhere else. Enjoy your day.
no both his answers were quite correct. dstahl evaded the question directly and talked about everything else they want to do without actually addressing the original question. just like a politician. that also implies that the answer is no.
simple: because as another posted stated, everyone will want to fly them. hence it will be 'enterprise f online' before long. and you can be sure that this is very much intentional. why? because you can also be sure that it will be a cstore ship, and the universal slot thrown in to make people want that slot, and thus have to buy the ship.
STO has long standing bugs that should never have been allowed to get into the final product to begin with. bugs that were pointed out by players during testing, that somehow managed to even make it that far (tell me, how does a major game crashing bug actually manage to make it through not only the staffs internal testing server but the beta server as well...several times?) to say nothing of bugs that should have been fixed a year ago but haven't. yet they still keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.
you can stop acting like an ignorant fanboi now. people are 'bashing' cryptic because they lied about what was supposed to be done for the klingon faction. they did not deliver on promises, they keep refusing to do so and making rediculous excuses. and 'not quite ready'? seriously? it was at launched at least 2 years earlier than it should have been. in a state that most games aren't even ready for alpha testing yet. and yes it DOES matter that there hasn't been content additions. because sooner or later klingon players will have enough of that and quit. not only will cryptic lose alot of their player base (almost 1 in 5 of their players is klingon by cryptics own statements) they will lose the money that comes from those players, which will limit their development resources even more. to say nothing of the negative things those players will have to say about cryptic
I did start my own game company. and I am doing better. the fact is they are not doing a good job at present.
you can stop acting like a child now. people are complaining because they have legitimate reasons to complain. if this is the 'good work' you want them to keep up, this game won't likely be here for a whole lot longer.
looks like an attack to me. and the negativity is showing up here because there are good reasons for it to
not if it remains the way it has for the last 18 months. and you are in no position to say it won't come anywhere near the fed player base in the number of people playing
a faction is a faction. it is the same as any other mmo. cryptics mistake was rushing it through the door when the game and faction were not even remotely finished.
there should be a parity in content. games that create half a game and ignore a large percentage of their players do not survive. and yes there should be a parity in content
klingon players comprise 18% of the player base. thats 1 in 5 players. that sounds like a pretty massive demand to me. and you are implying that companies will do that because thats what makes sense. and that is what makes sense. but the reality is companies don't always do things that make sense. and 'giving us stuff' isn't a reason to shut up and be happy. they are barely doing anything klingon wise
nothing in this list will have any impact on the number of klingon players
a faction thats done properly will satisfy them. heres the thing, if that doesn't materialize, cryptic will lose a very large chunk of its player base. that will be a major nail in the coffin of this game
you're playing semantics. dstahl knew exactly what the question was asking. he skirted it and used doubletalk to get around what was really being asked.
not really. different ships have different setups because they have different numbers of slots. you don't sent a battleship after a submarine, you send a destroyer - its much smaller but its loaded out to detect and destroy subs. same idea here.
indeed.
Agreed on all counts. Nice and Concise on each point too.
I didn't ask if Feds would quit if they got NO new content, just less than Klingons in one patch. It's sad that people think this way, considering both factions are open to everyone, but in the absence of substantive new content for the Klingon faction, it's only natural the us against them mentality would only grow over time. Really, would it be the end of STO if there was one Klingon-centric major patch that added more to that faction than to the Federation gameplay? Even then, the Klingon experience would remain a fraction of the game compared to the Federation-only content.
I understand what you asked. The answer is still yes. Yes, Federation players will quit if they do not receive enough content to keep the game fresh enough to justify continuing their subscription. I'm sorry if the free market bothers you.
The majority of FED players have played cruisers for a long time (hence STO's nick name was Cruisers Online)... only recently have they expanded into sci becuase of the OP nature of some sci abilities. No i will not be going into detail on them... if you don't know and would like to, conduct your own search. Go ahead and say it ain't true and you prove that you don't know ****. So yes it's a reletively safe bet that the majority of Fed players, that already play in cruisers, will elect to move into a cruiser with full universals. I will not go into the million different ways this cruiser could be overpowered... is a list really required? And haven't several others pointed out already that you can't compare the weakest ship with universals to a cruiser that has larger shields, hulls, devices, and weapons then all the other ships. Do I need to make redundant comments or will the arguements of others be taken into account?
Yeah, your anecdotal analysis of what the majority of Federation players do is of no interest to me. So, reference a source, preferably something official, to prove that the majority of Federation players are flying cruisers.
Or, failing that, provide a decent argument. You claim there are a 'million different ways this cruiser could be over powered.' And if I assume Cryptic is stupid, I'd agree with you. What you haven't shown is any reason Cryptic will make a single one of those ridiculous mistakes. So, I think we're done here, thanks for your time.
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That might be an interesting thought, or a disappointing one. Why do you think a Universal BOFF station for every ship based around the new First Officer System is short sighted?
simple: because as another posted stated, everyone will want to fly them. hence it will be 'enterprise f online' before long. and you can be sure that this is very much intentional. why? because you can also be sure that it will be a cstore ship, and the universal slot thrown in to make people want that slot, and thus have to buy the ship.
You seem to have misunderstood the point here. The quote you've provided is in relation to the first officer system which, as it was described in the most recent 'ask cryptic' would be a universal bridge officer station on EVERY ship currently in game, not just on the new enterprise. I've taken the liberty of modifying the excerpt of my original post to call greater attention to that point. So your response, "enterprise f online before long" statement is irrelevant to the quote you responded too.
On the other hand I have asked another poster exactly WHY everyone would want to fly a universal cruiser, he wasn't able to start giving an answer, so I'll ask you the same question. WHY would everyone want to play a universal cruiser?
Here is how I look at it, a patch that just had kdf stuff wouldnt take anything away from the federation would it. if it was never on the table for them to have something in that patch then in essence what have they lost.
In the long run if there were to be a big patch or a couple of big patches specifically for the kdf with pve, ships and costumes that would infact give more content the the federation by default, as the more stuff for kdf would get more people playing kdf, more people to pv through the ranks and a more robust community as a whole. more people paying subs meaning that more money going into the game as a whole, with more money going into the game and the saides both sorted out that would release cryptic from creating pve missions through the ranks for kdf as it has been done, they wouldnt need to spend alot of dev time on kdf ships because they would be in.
So all the dev time after the big patch for kdf all patches after it would be unilateral across the board patchs for both sides who would then be more populated and areas active for people to play the game with others.
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And, unfortunately, the things that were unique to the KDF are getting slowly eroded... IMHO, it's just a matter of time before the Feds get BoPs and Carriers.
That's nice, but since you didn't ask the question it again boils down to you believe the question meant something it did not specify. So your complaint is still specious.
And again, I look at Cryptics past actions, realize that if anything they overly nerf Universal Ships, and remain unworried.
Yeah, if an Enterprise comes out that completely over balances the game that will suck. If their solution to Science and Tactical officers in the Federation feeling like they are unable to compete with the new Enterprise is to give them universal Enterprises that appeal to them too, that will also suck, but we don't have any concrete reason to believe this will happen and it's such a self evidently bad idea that I'm not worried about it happening.
You're right, what was I thinking? Cryptic would never release anything that's broken. :rolleyes: Hmm... just off the top of my head, what about;
Harpengs
New FAW
SS3
Season 1 VM3
Old CSV3
Old BTSSX abilities
Old Ramming Speed
RSP Chaining
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Well FAW is going to be fixed post season 4 if I remember correctly
And on the note of the New Enterprise he did say it could be universal or offer different variants of the ship that would attract all types players to the ship to at least try it out. If anything I'd imagine the variants idea will be the way they do it because despite the cries of many a Fed player the universal cruiser would be devastating even for both sides. So I'd be less expecting a Super Ship and more expecting a glorified Excelsior/StarCruiser/Sovereign on the way. I'm an honest player but even if it were universal I'd more than likely at the very least give it a try. We'd all probably be forced to use it to stay competitive in PVP. All I hope is if we do get a universal cruiser on the Fed side we should have an equivalent Klink side aswell.
Pretty much agree with you here. The fact that Dstahl gave the impression they would entertain something so ridiculous is mind boggling to many who care about the balance of this game.
And the number of those things that broke the game? How many times did any of those individual things cause the MAJORITY of players to crowd to a single class of ship? No, I'm afraid this list of examples does not prove your point or negate mine.
They could if they ever raised some valid complaints. But as things are you mostly get paranoid speculation here. *shrug*
They have yet to release a T6 FED cruiser with all universals... so I guess that means no examples will suffice? My example proves that even in all their wisdom, they release broken ****. That's it... end of story. Past performance proves it and it can't be discounted.
Hmm. I guess the all caps "MAJORITY" is your way of saying that the KDF players and PvPers opinions and feedback don't matter as they don't factor into the "MAJORITY."
:eek:Ok i didn't want to start a war over this,the new enterprise has got alot of hate.All i wanted was to make it a universal ship so we can all have a go.some science captains would love to fly a cruiser but would loose many of there science powers (same if you are a tactical captain) .If they would give us one universal commander Boff
I don't want to take anything away from the KDF (I play on the klingon side too) or throw ship balance out of the window.If they did this then the klingons need a new flagship as well
NO GOD SHIP ON FEDS OR KDF
I could also point out to the fact that it required player input to avoid stuff like Dual Commander Retrofits going live, or to convince the devs that science vessels like the DSSV or the Varanus need a decent turn rate to be workeable. And despite the warning about the Dual Commander feedback, before the Excelsior was released to Tribble, it was discussed by the devs to have 2 Lt.Cmdr slots - that also required player feedback.
And now we are again at a spot where something potentially unbalanced is discussed by Cryptic. And so we look at our past experience and think that it is not only a valid concern, but that we should voice it early (and also that it will most likely get heard!).
Oh, and if the question comes up about "why can only Klings can get nice things"
- Carriers should not even be in this game and they are definitely not nice things.
- I personally would not be oppose to rebalancing the BoP to have some more limited bridge stations in exchange for better defensive qualities.
- Ablative Armor, Excelsior stations, MVAM, they are all very nice things the KDF can't have either. So it balances out, if we just count "nice things".
The problem with both is that it's in the game, changing it will **** off a lot of people, so Cryptic can't do it. But that can't be used as excuse to make things worse.
Yes, you might want to read up on that a bit more as DUST 514 is slated top just be an FPS on the PS3 using the EVE background as a backdrop. There won't be any integration of it as a 'ground combat game system tied into EVE Online itself. That was a big dissapointment to a lot of folks at E3.
And CCP has it's own PR nightmare currently as the Incarna update in general was not well received, nor will the 'Captain's Quarters' be optional (as promised long ago) - and then there's the fact it took CCP 5 years to finally add this first part pf "Walking in Stations". Then there's EVE's new MT store (makes prices in the Cryptic C-Store seen trivial in comparison - $80.00 U.S. for a Monacle for a single character (and it can be lost in EVE Combat) - and the shirsts and pants (per character) are just as outrageous. But, the real fear fpr longtime EVE players is if they decide to start offering game changing gear (that some goups worked months/years for in the MT stopre - something CCPs CEO seems to want to do at some point (and CCP is tiptoing around answering direct questions on the subject.
Whick most people say plays like WoW with Lightsabers, (not necisarrily a bad thing); but SWToR doesn't have a true space combat system (Sorry, a 2D railshooter mini-game that can be skipped if the player so chooses doesn't cut it for me) - and STYO's space combat is considered good by most; so once SWToR hits - if you want a Sci Fi MMO with actual space based combat and PvP - it's only going top be STO or EVE (SWG will be shut down by the time SWToR hits.
There's a lot of Mech FPS and High Fantasy games already out. If people prefer those genres, nothing STO doers will grab them all taht much to begin with
The shooter mode isn't true FPS (and was never adevertised as such); and the RPG mode isn't going anywhere, so if players prefer the the more MMO standard ground combat interface, it's still there - it's just that the weapons, animations, and flow of ground combat in general has been re-worked and retuned (and the 'insta on shot' MOBs seem to be gone - Boss MOBs still hurt at times; but at least they don't wipe you before you know what hit you (at least on the Tribble Test weekend build.)
And the flipside would be - if this wasn't based on Star Trek the De vs wouldn't have the extra 'baggage' of tryingh to make the game 'feel like Star Trek' (and given if you ask 10 Star Trek fans, "What is Star Trek all about?" - you'll get 10 different answers. So, the Styar Trek IP can be seen as a double edged sword - part blessing and part curse.
Overall, even with the flaws - I do think the 'Ask Cryptic' still shows a Dev team taking this game in the right direction overall. Given SWG is closing December 15, 2011 - I doubt we'll see SWToR launch prior to that date (and maybe a bit after, like Christmas); so STO will probably see one more Season Update, and perhaps 2 - 3 FE series prior to SWToR.
As for EVE Online, if the Forums are any indication, we're getting a gfew EVE refugees for the ime being. Depending on whatr CCP does in response to their current Playerbase concerns, we may see more stay then go back, some may sub to both, and some will just return totally to EVE.
Ship Balance is a fallacy...unless we all fly the same ship with the same load outs and Officer skills.
Since ships exist in game with all universal BO slotting and the game did not die due to tragic imbalance issues. I do not see why this becomes an issue...except for the old sad argument...KDF have Universal BO's and the FEDDIES can't, if they do its not fair, it will destroy the game...PvP will end.. it will mean the KDF will fail...
the meanies stole everything else..Orion slave girls..universal BO slots...oh wait....What's next we will lose carriers to them...and then Targs...oh the horrors...
The is also a thread asking about a possible KDF flagship... who is to say we won't get that as a direct counter to the Ent-F?
I just don't get this...I want new content ....but only for my faction...what the heck?
I play both factions and run a fleet on each side.. and I love where content is going...neutral and more end game is awesome. If you feel limited on the KDF side roll a Fed-Klink.
Except of course that a ship with all universal stations is perfectly balanceable so it is an invalid concern. In fact, a universal cruiser would be EASIER to balance than the Bird of Prey as it won't have the battle cloak variable to anticipate. Now, maybe I'm wrong, I invite you to explain exactly WHY you think it's hard to balance an all universal bridge officer set up on a cruiser. THAT would turn this discussion relevant.
But even if it comes out unbalanced. So what? Do you think it won't get nerfed down if it's over powered? Do you honestly think that Cryptic has any long term attachment to making sure a ship that will offer at most three similar modes of play ruins the fun for the majority of the player base? Do you honestly think, as Victory appears to, that a Universal Cruiser would appeal to such a wide range of players that soon almost everyone on the Federation side would be playing it? If you do share this belief of his, I would certainly LOVE to hear your reasoning.
I did indeed mean "klingon content" not, "universal content"
But, I did ask also about aother featured series also.
My entire posted question was:
"Now that we have a beautifully redone Quonos, can we hope for more Klingon missions soon as well?
Or maybe at least a new Featured series, not just remastered ones?"
So, I guess he did answer the second part, there will be another new featured series...which is good.
And, they're going to "update" some missions, unfortunate they'll be for only the upper ranks as all the Borg missions are.
But, I also notice there is NO actual mention of additional Klingon content.
He does mention new Fleet action mission, 1 per faction.
He says "Yes, We absolutely plan to release some great new content to show off the new combat updates in Season 4.
But, his answer strongly implies it'll be "universal content" not something that'll help Klingons with the grind of doing the same missions dozens and dozens of times to Rank up.
And since the new combat updates are all for ground, I assume that'll be ground missions, probably additional exploration ones, just speculating there, tho.
With PvP being almost non-existant at lower ranks, Klingons have little choice.
I would have like to have heard "Yes, there will a new story arc set of missions for the Klingons" or "Yes, we will be adding some new Klingon content to help players to rank without redoing missions literally dozens of times to achieve the rank needed to do the really cool STFs we've worked so hard on"
*sigh*
Yeah, it was an answer to make any politician proud...
It is what it is, no sense in bashing them or anyone else over it.
whos talking anything about it being tied directly into eve as if you can switch from space to ground, the games are still tied into each other on 2 bases. its still going to be a good game.
im kdf remember i dont have a c-store to waste my money on, thats the feds job. the only thing i have to dish c-store cash out on is my races ship
no one knows when swtor is coming out they refuse to say so blizzard cannot do a counter launch with something, so what space can be dodge, its a dogfight mode, does that stop it being a great game, 200 hours mission gameplay differing per class and side, that says enough for me.swg was the nuts pre cu if this is anything like it im quite happy to run around with a bfg instead of a bathleth. so in the enddoes this make it a worse game.
bf3 and mw3 players will play this too, alot of bf2 hardcores havnt really had a game to sink there teeth into, they will with bf3, is that gonna stop them being a great game.
your right its not a true fps shooter mode, the point is if your going to emulate fps why not just go the whole hog and do it instead of creating something that is about as equal as command and conquer rebel.
means nothing, one mans tea is another mans coffee, the basic premis is the same, cryptic took up the challange so they should rise to it.
Actually no, the all caps "MAJORITY" was my way of calling your attention to how ridiculous your assertion is. You basically want us to agree that a T6 Universal Cruiser would be the ship played by the MAJORITY of Federation players because it would be overpowered becuase Cryptic occasionally releases broken stuff that they, in the majority of your examples, have fixed. You give this as a reason because you can't explain how it would be overpowered, and you've already admited it can be balanced.
You are so far from raising a relevant concern or a rational argument that if you keep at it you'll end up accidentally making a good argument for my position.
The BoP's are blanced BECAUSE of battle cloak , not inspite of it as you suggest.When a BoP is running , or battle cloaking its not attack you? Right? This is where the blance comes from.
It has the weakest shields and hull if you put uni slots on a ship with the greatest shields and hull that would be a HUGE misstake it would not even need to battle cloak giving the attacked ship time to rest , because it would need no rest it would out gun and out last any ship going.
Would it be nerfed sure after months of pengs and FAW hits tho how timely the nerf would be is in question.
It is possible to balance differently working abilities. The point of balanced ships is that they have drawbacks and advantages and neither can be ignored. Especially since the PvP in Startrek Online is team-based, balance is a lot easier, because the purpose is only that every ship has a viable role to fill in that team. And this type of balance can also be found in team-based PvE, like STFs or Fleet Actions...
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Here's the thing, though: we KNOW Klingons will always be second-class citizens in this game. Players who want more Klingon-specific content don't really want equal content to the Federation, just more than what is currently there. PvE leveling is a mess, and adjusting the current crop of missions to stretch out better won't fix the problem. Making some of the Federation-only missions playable for Klingons will help if done right, but from what I've read that's all still in the hazy future, not actively in production.
At a minimum, what would it be fair to expect as a player who prefers to play Klingon? How about:
I'm not saying Klingons should get all this at once, but each and every point above is needed for the faction to approach respectability. If one or two of these points is addressed every 2 months, it would still take a year to get to that minimum acceptable content. Unfortunately, at the current pace it seems that some of these will never be added.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the universal content. I have three Feds and three Klingons (well, a Borg Klingon, Lethean and Trill to be exact), all at the cap. I prefer PvE, but my Lethean and Borg Klingon did the mostly-PvP route to get to the initial General cap. I know exactly how much difference there is between one faction and the other. It's a bit of a disgrace, frankly. At this point my only incentive to play Klingon is I prefer the guys in our fleet over doing PUGs Fed-side.
Oh, and about Qo'noS: thanks for nothing. I don't agree that it was worth the effort. Give Klingons real content, not eye candy that makes players have to run around even more to find the basic services at our home base. My comment to my fleetmates was roughly "making it take longer to run around doing errands between missions helps hide the fact that there's so little content to spend time on." If Cryptic had put that amount of effort into ANY of the stuff I listed above, I would have been thrilled with Season 4.
Why can't the Klingons get a major content patch that's actual content? Will Feds stop playing if they don't get as much (but usually more) in one patch as the other faction? No, and maybe more of them will roll a Klingon to play the new content. Win-win, anyone?
So in your style of play the battle cloak, the ability to pick and choose when you fight, is a limitation? Interesting. I would only point out that when a BoP is running, most other ships would be dead and waiting for respawn so your logic seems a tad flawed.
So you think the new Enterprise would have the 'greatest shields and hull.' I would suggest you scroll up to prior discussions made about how a "universal cruiser" can be balanced and you'll see that what you're talking about is not even remotely related to the post you are responding too.
Months of Pengs? Well, we are coming up on it being out for two months so, you're almost right. Well really, that depends on how over powered it is, if it even comes out as overpowered. You still haven't made a decent argument that it would.
In a word yes. If this game goes too long without new content for people's main characters, some people will lose interest and stop playing. Probably enough to do more than counter any in game benefits they'd have from people rolling Klingon to play the new content.
I see in this ask cryptic more of the same with maybes and sounds great to do perhaps season 5. maybe later on. Hmmm if i get the ask cryptic from season 3 segments ill see the same thing. maybes or perhaps. The notion of a congressman just talking to talk is so true. The major problem in the game is lack of transparent function of the development. This is an MMO yet cryptic treats it like a RTS. no one answers this question from cryptic. so its either they dont get it or we dont get it.
I didn't ask if Feds would quit if they got NO new content, just less than Klingons in one patch. It's sad that people think this way, considering both factions are open to everyone, but in the absence of substantive new content for the Klingon faction, it's only natural the us against them mentality would only grow over time. Really, would it be the end of STO if there was one Klingon-centric major patch that added more to that faction than to the Federation gameplay? Even then, the Klingon experience would remain a fraction of the game compared to the Federation-only content.
no both his answers were quite correct. dstahl evaded the question directly and talked about everything else they want to do without actually addressing the original question. just like a politician. that also implies that the answer is no.
simple: because as another posted stated, everyone will want to fly them. hence it will be 'enterprise f online' before long. and you can be sure that this is very much intentional. why? because you can also be sure that it will be a cstore ship, and the universal slot thrown in to make people want that slot, and thus have to buy the ship.
STO has long standing bugs that should never have been allowed to get into the final product to begin with. bugs that were pointed out by players during testing, that somehow managed to even make it that far (tell me, how does a major game crashing bug actually manage to make it through not only the staffs internal testing server but the beta server as well...several times?) to say nothing of bugs that should have been fixed a year ago but haven't. yet they still keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.
you can stop acting like an ignorant fanboi now. people are 'bashing' cryptic because they lied about what was supposed to be done for the klingon faction. they did not deliver on promises, they keep refusing to do so and making rediculous excuses. and 'not quite ready'? seriously? it was at launched at least 2 years earlier than it should have been. in a state that most games aren't even ready for alpha testing yet. and yes it DOES matter that there hasn't been content additions. because sooner or later klingon players will have enough of that and quit. not only will cryptic lose alot of their player base (almost 1 in 5 of their players is klingon by cryptics own statements) they will lose the money that comes from those players, which will limit their development resources even more. to say nothing of the negative things those players will have to say about cryptic
I did start my own game company. and I am doing better. the fact is they are not doing a good job at present.
you can stop acting like a child now. people are complaining because they have legitimate reasons to complain. if this is the 'good work' you want them to keep up, this game won't likely be here for a whole lot longer.
looks like an attack to me. and the negativity is showing up here because there are good reasons for it to
not if it remains the way it has for the last 18 months. and you are in no position to say it won't come anywhere near the fed player base in the number of people playing
a faction is a faction. it is the same as any other mmo. cryptics mistake was rushing it through the door when the game and faction were not even remotely finished.
there should be a parity in content. games that create half a game and ignore a large percentage of their players do not survive. and yes there should be a parity in content
klingon players comprise 18% of the player base. thats 1 in 5 players. that sounds like a pretty massive demand to me. and you are implying that companies will do that because thats what makes sense. and that is what makes sense. but the reality is companies don't always do things that make sense. and 'giving us stuff' isn't a reason to shut up and be happy. they are barely doing anything klingon wise
nothing in this list will have any impact on the number of klingon players
a faction thats done properly will satisfy them. heres the thing, if that doesn't materialize, cryptic will lose a very large chunk of its player base. that will be a major nail in the coffin of this game
you're playing semantics. dstahl knew exactly what the question was asking. he skirted it and used doubletalk to get around what was really being asked.
not really. different ships have different setups because they have different numbers of slots. you don't sent a battleship after a submarine, you send a destroyer - its much smaller but its loaded out to detect and destroy subs. same idea here.
indeed.
The majority of FED players have played cruisers for a long time (hence STO's nick name was Cruisers Online)... only recently have they expanded into sci becuase of the OP nature of some sci abilities. No i will not be going into detail on them... if you don't know and would like to, conduct your own search. Go ahead and say it ain't true and you prove that you don't know ****. So yes it's a reletively safe bet that the majority of Fed players, that already play in cruisers, will elect to move into a cruiser with full universals. I will not go into the million different ways this cruiser could be overpowered... is a list really required? And haven't several others pointed out already that you can't compare the weakest ship with universals to a cruiser that has larger shields, hulls, devices, and weapons then all the other ships. Do I need to make redundant comments or will the arguements of others be taken into account?
On the other hand you keep claiming there is nothing to worry about. When showed that many of us have concerns based on cypric's track record, you blow that off claiming the examples aren't relevant because none concerned a ship with universals. All you've really done is taken pieces of what I've said out of context to attempt to disqualify my opinion or just discount it all together as irrational. I'd like to remind you that you are not the only one entitled to an opinion here. If you really want to perpetuate this then go ahead and post your build proposal and we''ll go from there.
Additionally, I never admmited to anything. In an attempt to be diplomatic I stated that it MAY be possible to be balanced. I ceertainly never said that it still wouldn't have player diversity issues, and I never said Cryptic could release a cruiser with all universal boff stations perfectly balanced as my point has been they aren't good at considering the balance of things prior to release.
Your previous arguement of "so what" if it's OP they'll fix it later indicates how truly weak your stance is. Oops, did you accidently say something to justify our concern here? I think so. According to you it can be OP, but hopefully Cryptic would balance it later. LOL. How many things are still broke in this game that impact gameplay balance? And yes, people have left and will continue to leave due to balance issues.
I will also add your attempts to flame and troll me are not appreciated. As for my arguements, they have have been right on the mark; That, in my opinion and many others, a T6 Fed Cruiser with full universals will ruin game balance and diversity. The fact you have a problem discerning a rational thought from that speaks volumes. BWAHAHAHAHA! I haven't raised a valid concern or rationale arguement?! Anyone with half a brain considers game play balance, and certainly knows that is is important. A Fed cruiser with full universals has major imbalance implications. And hmmm... looks like you gave up on the the whole "more Klingon missions" aspect of this thread. So contrary to what you said it is you that has failed to raise a valid argument on why we shouldn't be concerned here. It is you that had the meaning of the original Ask Cryptic question wrong. You can take your insults and disrespect somewhere else. Enjoy your day.
Agreed on all counts. Nice and Concise on each point too.
I understand what you asked. The answer is still yes. Yes, Federation players will quit if they do not receive enough content to keep the game fresh enough to justify continuing their subscription. I'm sorry if the free market bothers you.
Yeah, your anecdotal analysis of what the majority of Federation players do is of no interest to me. So, reference a source, preferably something official, to prove that the majority of Federation players are flying cruisers.
Or, failing that, provide a decent argument. You claim there are a 'million different ways this cruiser could be over powered.' And if I assume Cryptic is stupid, I'd agree with you. What you haven't shown is any reason Cryptic will make a single one of those ridiculous mistakes. So, I think we're done here, thanks for your time.
You seem to have misunderstood the point here. The quote you've provided is in relation to the first officer system which, as it was described in the most recent 'ask cryptic' would be a universal bridge officer station on EVERY ship currently in game, not just on the new enterprise. I've taken the liberty of modifying the excerpt of my original post to call greater attention to that point. So your response, "enterprise f online before long" statement is irrelevant to the quote you responded too.
On the other hand I have asked another poster exactly WHY everyone would want to fly a universal cruiser, he wasn't able to start giving an answer, so I'll ask you the same question. WHY would everyone want to play a universal cruiser?
In the long run if there were to be a big patch or a couple of big patches specifically for the kdf with pve, ships and costumes that would infact give more content the the federation by default, as the more stuff for kdf would get more people playing kdf, more people to pv through the ranks and a more robust community as a whole. more people paying subs meaning that more money going into the game as a whole, with more money going into the game and the saides both sorted out that would release cryptic from creating pve missions through the ranks for kdf as it has been done, they wouldnt need to spend alot of dev time on kdf ships because they would be in.
So all the dev time after the big patch for kdf all patches after it would be unilateral across the board patchs for both sides who would then be more populated and areas active for people to play the game with others.