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edited July 2011 in Klingon Discussion
Q: KBFLordKrueg Now that we have a beautifully redone Qo’noS, can we hope for more Klingon missions soon as well?

Long Answer:
A: With launching Season 4, the entire team is focused on adding new content over the months ahead that will utilize all the new cool features and combat updates in this release. We are currently in development on the following content: Featured Episode Series 4 which will take place around Deep Space 9, Special Task Force updates to improve and balance these missions into something fun and/or challenging to play, Borg Invasion Events which will include a weekly ground assault on a to be announced species homeworld as well as hourly Borg Deep Space incursions into all sectors, new locale flavored neighborhood missions for social zones, OpenPVP Encounters, and four new Fleet Actions (1 exclusive ground and space FA for each faction). So yes. We absolutely plan to release some great new content to show off the new combat updates in Season 4. All of this content is currently scheduled to release at various stages in Season 4 between now and October.

Dstahl sounds like a politician, scary. Short answer seems pretty simple: No.
Q: Diceberg Why can't I as captain have at lest one universal BO station on each ship?
A: Once we get the feature completed, our intention is that you will be able to select one of your experienced Bridge Officers and promote them to First Officer. A First Officer then opens up the universal slot on your ship (that they sit in), opening up the seat that they normally took for another officer. So we plan to do this just, however the "universal" slot is really you deciding which of your officers you want to be "First Officer" and they become the extra slot. We've scheduled this to be functional before Season 5 launch.

The sheer amount of short shortsightedness demonstrated here is mind boggling. I guess we know how 'Pengs got through the QA process :rolleyes:
Q: farscape-one The new Enterprise class ship - it would be nice to have all universal bridge officers like the Klingond so anyone (class) could fly it.
A: Great suggestion! I'll talk to the ship design team about this to see if they'll consider it. It may be that we could at least offer different "flavors" of the ship to different classes, if not make it universal.

Well, isn't that something....
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Cruiser with universal BO ? Everyone will fly one. Welcome to Enterprise F Online lol.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Yeah - the feeling of hope for Season 4 has eroded, replacing it with the same old sense of being patted on the head and told to be grateful for the gruel.

    - Tomax
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I for one can't wait for the all universal BO cruisers to roll out the drydock. I'm just super excited at the possibilities of slotting them!

    My newly created Federation Klingon can now look forward to:
    1. Awesome BO setups at end game with the new Enterprise class ship!
    2. Tons of content to go through
    3. New shooter mode to help me PvE
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    It really seems like the Dev team is committed to the hypothesis that Faction-Neutral content, repeatables, and fluff will help to make the KDF a more viable, more populous Faction.

    In spite of three FE series that didn't, in spite of ship and costume options that didn't, in spite of two sorties with a daily, in spite of six dailies from the FEs, in spite of everything KDF players have been saying for more than a year now.. They seem determined to cling to that sad, flawed, false belief.

    I makes me sad for the future of the game. If they continue down this path, and then try to release a Romulan Faction treated the same way, then I see STO and the "Broken Faction Syndrome" entering the MMO lexicon alongside SWGs NGE as one of the classical mistakes no game will ever want to repeat.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    all i wanted to hear was - the DOff system will be ready for testing...

    i understand that the ask cryptics are never realy that useful but that one thing would have saved this one for me
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    I for one can't wait for the all universal BO cruisers to roll out the drydock. I'm just super excited at the possibilities of slotting them!

    My newly created Federation Klingon can now look forward to:
    1. Awesome BO setups at end game with the new Enterprise class ship!
    2. Tons of content to go through
    3. New shooter mode to help me PvE

    While that sounds great if you're rolling a Federation character, I'd only expect that the same treatment is given to the KDF.

    Seeing as there is already such a limitation to KDF ships at end game, the natural evolution or stopgap would be to introduce some of the existing ships with universal BOs, like the Negh'Var, and Carrier. I really can't see Cryptic being able to justify rolling out a single-faction Tier 6 ship with all the trimmings, could you?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    While that sounds great if you're rolling a Federation character, I'd only expect that the same treatment is given to the KDF.

    Seeing as there is already such a limitation to KDF ships at end game, the natural evolution or stopgap would be to introduce some of the existing ships with universal BOs, like the Negh'Var, and Carrier. I really can't see Cryptic being able to justify rolling out a single-faction Tier 6 ship with all the trimmings, could you?

    I think we've crossed paths on the battlefield many times. I'm no Feddie or PvE sympathizer, but it would be a blast to have a very powerful ship before leaving this lol-balance? game for TOR.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    I think we've crossed paths on the battlefield many times. I'm no Feddie or PvE sympathizer, but it would be a blast to have a very powerful ship before leaving this lol-balance? game for TOR.

    Yes we have faced each other and ten-two-one you nearly always left me taping my ship back together afterwards ;)

    I support Uni-boffs for both factions - but I think that as a testbed it should be introduced in phases starting with the Cmdr Boff spot. See how that fairs and if there is a positive response to it roll it out for other ranks and then if things are problematic, the roll back is not too great. Perhaps I could be wrong. (Almost certainly!)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    ye the days when they had time to sit back an throw ideas an submit wishlists is long gone, the days are now coming up when real contenders are floating out, eve has the new expantion to there game coming out, a true fps ground mode, you have swtor coming out soon and then you have the battlefield 3 franchise and next gen fable an acc on the horizon. cryptic has sat on star treks coat tails for long enough an its time they delivered on what they promised to the kdf 2 years ago.

    season 4 better be the mutts nuts and cos decorating my school books never improved my grades and neither will cryptic redecorating qu'nos improve there standing by much for so long. so yay they have done the new ground update but it is in no way fps or anywhere near fps, the use of kits and spells are bulky an incoherant. they should have just ditched the whole ground combat and rebuilt the ground game from the floor up instead of trying to adapt an rpg version into an fps version.

    ask yourself this, if this wasnt star trek and we wernt klingons,orions,nausicaans,gorn and letheans would you still be here cos we got launch wait for season 1 for us to fix, then its comimg s2 then s3 then s4 now just after season for and for sure it will be in s5.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Your comments left me scratching my head, they provided too little explanation of your thinking for your views to be understood and I am not one to assume so I'll just observe and ask.
    hurleybird wrote: »
    Dstahl sounds like a politician, scary. Short answer seems pretty simple: No.

    Here your short answer was incorrect. Dstahl's lengthy answer addressed the issue raised on a number of different fronts and answered unequivocally that yes, there would be new missions for Klingons.
    The sheer amount of short shortsightedness demonstrated here is mind boggling. I guess we know how 'Pengs got through the QA process :rolleyes:

    That might be an interesting thought, or a disappointing one. Why do you think a Universal BOFF station for every ship based around the new First Officer System is short sighted?
    Well, isn't that something....

    Maybe, maybe not. Seeing how he did not say the new Enterprise would have universal consoles and in fact provided reference to another means of making the Enterprise appealing to a range of captains that he also did not say they would implement, I'm having trouble seeing this as 'something.' If you explained your thinking here we might not be left scratching our head and wondering about what you're supposed to mean.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Ya know,, I NEVER respond to these negative " bash cryptic" posts, however i feel the time is right. I have been playing this game since open Beta. After 20 minutes I bought a 1 year sub, then after 1 year i bought a lifetime sub ya know why? THIS GAME IS AWESOME!
    Sure its got its issues, its got its LONGGGGG standing bugs, but WHAT GAME DOESNT? My brother has been playing WoW for over 5 years and he said when he first started even that game had its issues.
    All you people who BASH Cryptic for no KLINGON content need to get over yourselfs!!! Maybe the Klingons where an afterthought, maybe the game wasnt QUITE ready for release, Maybe lately there has been no REAL content additions: SO FRACKEN WHAT!

    I have 4 fed characters and two klingon characters to keep me busy, and you know what? i dont RUSH to get to max lvl just so i can COMPLAIN about the lack of content, i actually PLAY the bloody game!!!!!!!!!

    IN closing, to EVERYONE who thinks cryptic isnt doing a good job with this game here's an idea: START YOUR OWN GAME COMPANY AND SEE IF YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!
    $100 bucks says YOU FAIL!!!!!

    To the Cryptic team ( not that any of them will actually read this ) KEEP up the good work and dont get discouraged by a few malcontents who will probably NEVER be happy with ANYTHING in there miserable lives.

    THank you and Carry on!

    One more thing: THis is not a PERSONAL attack on ANY who posted on this thread or in the forums, its just me expressing my frustration for the negativety that CONSTANTLY shows up here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Well while you klingons and Romulans complain, us Gorn will be planning our glorious revolution:D WHat Klingon will dare face us in hand to hand combat now?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    forresto wrote: »
    Well while you klingons and Romulans complain, us Gorn will be planning our glorious revolution:D WHat Klingon will dare face us in hand to hand combat now?

    Aye, and I could still best a son of Khaless with my claws tied to my feet.... using only my teeth!

    Humor aside; I think Cryptic is missing what I call the theory of player entropy (I'e heard the same basic thoughts from plenty of players but that's just my name for describing it in my words.)

    The theory of player entropy states that a player of a given faction or who is introduced to a certain faction first tends to remain more attached to that faction unless given good incentive to branch out.

    What does that mean practically?

    What it means is that despite the Klingons having *Access* to things like FE series, that most people just do the series on their Fed character and there is no real draw to bring anyone to the Klingon side.

    Or in other words, leveling may be less painful now thus eliminating some of the stigma that would turn players away from Klingons, but eliminating turn-offs isn't enough, positive draw must also exist.

    The logical conclusion?

    The faction needs more *unique* Klingon *only* accessible content in order to generate draw.
    In a perfect world both factions have access to shared content and to only faction specific content, thus enticing players to spend time on both sides of the divide, and causing the ones who gravitate to a single faction to distribute more evenly.

    That's the theory anyways.

    For the record I assume content to be defined as a mix of;
    *good enjoyable missions
    *faction-only gear
    *and robust choice/customization of ships/Characters.

    For the record, I also want to state that I'd postulate Cryptic is in something of a bind here; because the primary playerbase resides with the Federation.
    If they pull the majority of the team to bring the Klingons up to spec with the Federation then the Feds will experience a content drought.
    My guess is that Cryptic is worried such a drought would drive off enough players to upset the bean-counters/the budget.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Ya know,, I NEVER respond to these negative " bash cryptic" posts, however i feel the time is right. I have been playing this game since open Beta. After 20 minutes I bought a 1 year sub, then after 1 year i bought a lifetime sub ya know why? THIS GAME IS AWESOME!
    Sure its got its issues, its got its LONGGGGG standing bugs, but WHAT GAME DOESNT? My brother has been playing WoW for over 5 years and he said when he first started even that game had its issues.
    All you people who BASH Cryptic for no KLINGON content need to get over yourselfs!!! Maybe the Klingons where an afterthought, maybe the game wasnt QUITE ready for release, Maybe lately there has been no REAL content additions: SO FRACKEN WHAT!

    I have 4 fed characters and two klingon characters to keep me busy, and you know what? i dont RUSH to get to max lvl just so i can COMPLAIN about the lack of content, i actually PLAY the bloody game!!!!!!!!!

    IN closing, to EVERYONE who thinks cryptic isnt doing a good job with this game here's an idea: START YOUR OWN GAME COMPANY AND SEE IF YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!
    $100 bucks says YOU FAIL!!!!!

    To the Cryptic team ( not that any of them will actually read this ) KEEP up the good work and dont get discouraged by a few malcontents who will probably NEVER be happy with ANYTHING in there miserable lives.

    THank you and Carry on!

    One more thing: THis is not a PERSONAL attack on ANY who posted on this thread or in the forums, its just me expressing my frustration for the negativety that CONSTANTLY shows up here.

    sorry im losing track on your rant. your bashing cryptic bashers for bashing cryptic for no content, or your comparing cryptic to blizzard now activision-blizzard, in which you vear off to bugs as if they are actual content or your challanging people who do not like the state of kdf to go out and create a multi million pound/dollar company to create there version of sto with a better build and gameplay for the kdf, apply for licensing and go into direct compotition for star trek ip against cryptic who have the licenseunder contract from cbs and if they fail you want them to give you $100.

    i think you best go sit back in the corner and put that tin hat back on that the doctor gave you to keep the aliens out and read this before piping up http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=217322
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    While that sounds great if you're rolling a Federation character, I'd only expect that the same treatment is given to the KDF.

    Seeing as there is already such a limitation to KDF ships at end game, the natural evolution or stopgap would be to introduce some of the existing ships with universal BOs, like the Negh'Var, and Carrier. I really can't see Cryptic being able to justify rolling out a single-faction Tier 6 ship with all the trimmings, could you?

    :eek:I only want is to use one ship for my Alts (Tac,Sci,Eng),And i think the klingons should get a flagship to match the new fed one:o (I play on the klingons side):D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dang nabit....
    I thought we lost all the negative Klingon players. They should have quit ages ago.

    If you want to play a Klink with lots of PvE content roll a Fed Klink, at least for now. ( It will be like the shows and movies then)

    I am sick of this from my fellow KDF extended family.
    SO for the last time...PLEASE...... understand the following....

    1. KDF player base is small and is never...NEVER.... going to come any where near the Federation player base. There are some wanting to be KDF but even those Fed's who would dabble and roll a KDFer are small.
    NO amount of game material, content, ships, environments or cool story arcs will change that. It would be like adding a Vulcan sub-faction or Andorian sub-faction on the Fed side. We are a niche, even on our own side I see more Aliens, Gorns and Orions than Klingon toons. All the other empires and races will always be niche player bases. I bet if they made a faction with nothing but merchants, with Feregi, Orion, Aliens and Humans it would still be a niche faction.
    PS....That was how they got the second faction player base up by adding in Orion and Gorn players as well. Does anyone actually play a Nausican or Lethian?

    2. The KDF is not like other MMO's second faction....Cryptic's one mistake was trying to sell it like it was. The KDF was enemy of the week in Star Trek but as their story grew in the canon material it made no sense for the KDF and the Federation to even fight. The Story line that STO relies on for this war is thin and sad.
    ex...The Federation does not believe the Undine infiltration is a threat to the galaxy? The Undine?!? who were holding the Borg in check, the race that scared the boogey-monsters of the Federation. What Star Fleet Command suddenly forgot the power the Borg displayed at Wolf359? And the Voyager crew are the ones investigating from the Fedside..... (Sorry I digress...:(.)

    3. THERE IS NO PARITY IN CONTENT AND SHOULD NEVER BE. (SORRY>:mad:)
    The KDF is never going to have a massive number of varied ship designs. If we are following the way a Klingon thinks there is no reason for it ..if it works USE IT, if it stops working make a new version.
    Small ships like BOPs and fighters are always the main stays of the KDF captain corps. There is no honor or advancement to be gained as the 15th gunner on a NegH'Var.

    I do think we need more costume bits though the KDF captains tend to be given more latitude in style of dress than the Federation. Plus we have so many non-Klingons in our faction. (I'll give this as a given form all the players though.)

    Remember this as well:
    This game is made by a company, they do not do this for free. Cryptic and the Dev's have proven they are not doing this to punish or abuse those who choose not to play Fed characters. If that was the case they would have folded this faction ages ago just to stop the whining and bad taste on the Forums. If there was such a massive demand for KDF over FED content any company that wants to stay in business goes to meet the largest demand they can. Sadly KDF is not that largest demand, but they keep getting us stuff so be happy.

    Also for Content if DStahl comes across with the remastered and enhanced PvE leveling system for the KDF side, plus all the future faction-neutral content, plus the ability to team with Feddies for STF's and a new tutorial missions. I think I will be more than happy, I'd be estatic.

    What the un-happy members of our community need to ask themselves is what will satisfy them?
    Is it a realistic demand or is it based on ideas that are never going to materialize?:D

    I mean heck there are still threads constantly complaining that you can't fly your ship from your captain's chair. What an absolute waste that would be, its like fighting while looking through a tube, and if all you want to do is see star's flying by your view screen then turnoff STO and turn on your screensaver.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    A "universal cruiser" would be a bad idea gamewise, putting aside the fact that ships with solely Universal consoles need to remain KDF only.

    Given the hull strength, power, and weapon points of a cruiser, even if this was all Nerf down to Tier 4 for use with a Universal set up, it would be so unbalanced it would be game breaking. Within a day you'd see people on the forums crying for a Nerf. We're talking a tank you can fit with just the 1-2 tac skills you want and then heals. Or simply nothing but heals. A well speced engineer with such a ship could keep himself/herself alive indefinitely by rotating heals with his/her own captain powers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Aye, and I could still best a son of Khaless with my claws tied to my feet.... using only my teeth!

    Humor aside; I think Cryptic is missing what I call the theory of player entropy (I'e heard the same basic thoughts from plenty of players but that's just my name for describing it in my words.)

    The theory of player entropy states that a player of a given faction or who is introduced to a certain faction first tends to remain more attached to that faction unless given good incentive to branch out.

    What does that mean practically?

    What it means is that despite the Klingons having *Access* to things like FE series, that most people just do the series on their Fed character and there is no real draw to bring anyone to the Klingon side.

    Or in other words, leveling may be less painful now thus eliminating some of the stigma that would turn players away from Klingons, but eliminating turn-offs isn't enough, positive draw must also exist.

    The logical conclusion?

    The faction needs more *unique* Klingon *only* accessible content in order to generate draw.
    In a perfect world both factions have access to shared content and to only faction specific content, thus enticing players to spend time on both sides of the divide, and causing the ones who gravitate to a single faction to distribute more evenly.

    That's the theory anyways.

    For the record I assume content to be defined as a mix of;
    *good enjoyable missions
    *faction-only gear
    *and robust choice/customization of ships/Characters.

    For the record, I also want to state that I'd postulate Cryptic is in something of a bind here; because the primary playerbase resides with the Federation.
    If they pull the majority of the team to bring the Klingons up to spec with the Federation then the Feds will experience a content drought.
    My guess is that Cryptic is worried such a drought would drive off enough players to upset the bean-counters/the budget.

    My 2 Energy Credits worthy is that the KDF needs some actual Klingon ONLY content, and despite the awesomeness of new Qonos (and it is awesome), a re-hash of old faction neutral content for KDF side is not very promising - in so far as I play most of the neutral content first on the Fed side.. More Klingon specific PvE would be my request; and even though I mainly play Fed - I like the idea of Klingons having exclusive powers - I hesitate to give the Feds the same powers. It's bad enough for the KDF side as is. Just my two credits there...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    hurleybird wrote: »

    The sheer amount of short shortsightedness demonstrated here is mind boggling. I guess we know how 'Pengs got through the QA process :rolleyes:


    OH wow Universal BO slots are so special that no one but the Klingons dare have them?

    Please I always thought all BO slots and consoles should be universal. I think that would give us way more flexibility.
    Of course that would lead to needing to make mounting of more than one of a specific console a no-no. But that can be coded in easily enough.

    I say make all ships with universal BO's and consoles!!!!!!

    Then we can have some real fun.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dang nabit....
    I thought we lost all the negative Klingon players. They should have quit ages ago.
    So you'll be joining us for Klingon Awareness Week, then?
    If you want to play a Klink with lots of PvE content roll a Fed Klink, at least for now.
    Let them eat CAKE!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    hurleybird wrote: »

    The sheer amount of short shortsightedness demonstrated here is mind boggling. I guess we know how 'Pengs got through the QA process :rolleyes:


    OH wow Universal BO slots are so special that no one but the Klingons dare have them?

    Please I always thought all BO slots and consoles should be universal. I think that would give us way more flexibility.
    Of course that would lead to needing to make mounting of more than one of a specific console a no-no. But that can be coded in easily enough.

    I say make all ships with universal BO's and consoles!!!!!!

    Then we can have some real fun.

    Think you toally missed his point the Universal BO's are on the weakest ships , weakest shields and weakest hull.Putting Universal BO's in ANY curiser is just maddness fed or klingon side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Kolikos wrote:
    So you'll be joining us for Klingon Awareness Week, then?

    Absolutely, would not miss it.

    Trying to get my Fed Fleet members (The Galactic Empire) to roll a klink for that week..
    only a few takers so far.

    Just look for Kira@badgeractual, House First Lord, The Klingon Galactic Empire
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    A "universal cruiser" would be a bad idea gamewise, putting aside the fact that ships with solely Universal consoles need to remain KDF only.

    Given the hull strength, power, and weapon points of a cruiser, even if this was all Nerf down to Tier 4 for use with a Universal set up, it would be so unbalanced it would be game breaking. Within a day you'd see people on the forums crying for a Nerf. We're talking a tank you can fit with just the 1-2 tac skills you want and then heals. Or simply nothing but heals. A well speced engineer with such a ship could keep himself/herself alive indefinitely by rotating heals with his/her own captain powers.

    I see your point but I say this is a non-issue......there is nothing game breaking if you slot all defense and heal stuff- well that is you...you may live the longest in PvP but all the other team needs is 15 kills....mass firepower overcomes all the defenses any ship can mount. Also most skills have shared cool-downs while you might get away with 2 copies of the same skill a third is useless, so an all engineer(or tac or sci for that matter) UniBOffed ship will have many shared cool downs and not be the world beater it sounds like. Tough I bet, but not IWIN caliber.

    What we have is people striving for parity in PvP...hint:not gonna happen (unless everyone is given a Captain with the same powers and same ship and same tactics)...still skill, team work and experience will trump luck..usually.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    BearClaw75 wrote:

    Think you toally missed his point the Universal BO's are on the weakest ships , weakest shields and weakest hull.Putting Universal BO's in ANY curiser is just maddness fed or klingon side.

    BOP has lower hull points than equivalent Fed Escort...One less lower level BOff power mostly....except it also has battle cloak and higher turn rate. Some have more consoles than the Fed equiv.
    Shields are identical by the way.

    BOP's are not weakest by any means. Battle cloak makes up for that....big time.

    Raptors are the Klingon direct copies of escorts... and what you will find is they are better in every way.. the cloaking ability of the Klingon Raptors, more hull, better shields..everything else the same.


    Anything else well we can't compare KDF wins hands down ship for ship.

    But universal BOff's would not be game breaking... what it means is in PvP you could not guess what your opponent has and what to do to overwhelm them until you get into the fight. Also between deaths a good captain could rearrange his BOffs to deal with what they are seeing in the fight. I see this as a way to bring in more un-certainty and tactics back into the PvP game. It why Fed players called and call the BOP over powered. They do not know what the ship is loaded out for. Are the BOP's so OP'd now that they need to be nerfed?
    Makes it less of a Min/Max must have skill game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I agree with the OP. Is it surprising? No not really. But frankly, the BS answer that didn't directly answer the question on whether Klinks are getting any new content following the overhaul of the First City was somewhat offensive. Seriously, if there isn't any KDF specific content because resources were invested elsewhere than when asked about it man up and say, "Yeah it isn't a priority at this time" or "We're gonna watch and see if the latest improvements peak more interest in the faction and gauge whether or not investment in more KDF specific content is the smart thing to do."

    *Sigh*

    I've commented in other threads about the new cruiser having all universal boff slots, so to surmise my position on it, it is completely asinine, unbalancing, and game breaking. If this happens the game will tank. There would be not incentive to captain any other ship so STO once again, will become Cruisers Online. And the KDF would be unable to beat any competent FED team with even numbers. Thos ewho think that FEDs are supposed to have more and have better need to remember this is a game and balance is key.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    BearClaw75 wrote:

    BOP has lower hull points than equivalent Fed Escort...One less lower level BOff power mostly....except it also has battle cloak and higher turn rate. Some have more consoles than the Fed equiv.
    Shields are identical by the way.

    No, it has lower shield cap, and you are also forgetting one less tac console, so less punch, and one less aft weapon slot as well.

    BOP's are not weakest by any means. Battle cloak makes up for that....big time.

    No one said they are the weakest LOL. BC is nice but IMO isn't that great given how popular science abilities are in game currently. (No I do not fly a BOP, but I frequently shoot them down :D) As for the universal boff stations, how many viable options do you think there are for the four boff stations? No nearly as many as you would think.

    Raptors are the Klingon direct copies of escorts... and what you will find is they are better in every way.. the cloaking ability of the Klingon Raptors, more hull, better shields..everything else the same.

    Dude... you gotta get your facts right. The raptor has more hull the Fed escorts and less shields. The Raptor is disliked by the majority of players because it flies differently than other escorts/raiders. It doesn't turn the same because the turn axis isn't in the middle of the craft like it is with every other escort. I fly the Raptor and the Defiant. Most players given the choice of the two will choose to fly the Defiant due to the superior turn rate and speed.

    Anything else well we can't compare KDF wins hands down ship for ship.

    LOL. Use the forum search feature and check out some threads that do side by side comparisons of all FED and KDF ships. FEDs win hands down... that's just the truth.


    But universal BOff's would not be game breaking... what it means is in PvP you could not guess what your opponent has and what to do to overwhelm them until you get into the fight. Also between deaths a good captain could rearrange his BOffs to deal with what they are seeing in the fight. I see this as a way to bring in more un-certainty and tactics back into the PvP game. It why Fed players called and call the BOP over powered. They do not know what the ship is loaded out for. Are the BOP's so OP'd now that they need to be nerfed?
    Makes it less of a Min/Max must have skill game.

    Wrong. It would be game breaking as it becomes the best ship in game. Incentive to fly any other craft is lost. So it becomes a bunch of the same cruiser fighting a bunch of the same cruisers. Might as well end the KDF faction sense they won't have anything equivalent to counter such a craft/team. Anyone calling the BOP OP or the KDF OP, really needs to get a clue, because it just isn't the case.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Victory275 wrote: »
    I agree with the OP. Is it surprising? No not really. But frankly, the BS answer that didn't directly answer the question on whether Klinks are getting any new content following the overhaul of the First City was somewhat offensive. Seriously, if there isn't any KDF specific content because resources were invested elsewhere than when asked about it man up and say, "Yeah it isn't a priority at this time" or "We're gonna watch and see if the latest improvements peak more interest in the faction and gauge whether or not investment in more KDF specific content is the smart thing to do."

    The question was not "Will the KDF be getting any Klingon Exclusive Content?" it was, "Will the KDF be getting any new content." His answer referenced a lot of universal content that can be enjoyed by the KDF and is thus, KDF content. It also made reference to some 'local neighborhood' dailies that we can assume will match Starfleet but have KDF exclusive versions. I'm sorry that you didn't grasp it and that he answered the question he was asked, not the question you wanted to have asked, but your complaint is without merit.
    I've commented in other threads about the new cruiser having all universal boff slots, so to surmise my position on it, it is completely asinine, unbalancing, and game breaking.

    Two points here. One, there are ways around any balance issues and two, he did not say the Enterprise-J would have all universal boff slots, he said it was something they were considering while he also said they were considering ways to make OTHER versions that would be appealing to science and tactical captains. I think you're reading too much into what he said.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Jermbot wrote: »
    The question was not "Will the KDF be getting any Klingon Exclusive Content?" it was, "Will the KDF be getting any new content." His answer referenced a lot of universal content that can be enjoyed by the KDF and is thus, KDF content. It also made reference to some 'local neighborhood' dailies that we can assume will match Starfleet but have KDF exclusive versions. I'm sorry that you didn't grasp it and that he answered the question he was asked, not the question you wanted to have asked, but your complaint is without merit.

    Actually this was the question:

    "Q: KBFLordKrueg Now that we have a beautifully redone Qo’noS, can we hope for more Klingon missions soon as well?"

    Key words being "more Klingon missions" to go with our new city not more FED and Kingon missions to go along with our new city. So I think I grasped it just fine, thanks. It appears you are the one without merit here and my points still stand; Dan didn't answer the question straight. Thanks for playing.


    Two points here. One, there are ways around any balance issues and two, he did not say the Enterprise-J would have all universal boff slots, he said it was something they were considering while he also said they were considering ways to make OTHER versions that would be appealing to science and tactical captains. I think you're reading too much into what he said.

    I disagree. Why would anyone play any other ship and give up a full universal boff ship? And yes I understand it isn't set in stone and that he said they would consider it and that is was a great idea. Problem is Cryptic has released a lot of stuff that has been lacking in balance and has showed total disregard for the PvP and KDF communities. All I have to go off is what they say and their past performance. Words speak, actions thunder. TBH it sounds like you are a FED who wants a super cruiser with all universals to me. I play both factions, and I still can't understand how anyone can justify it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    "Q: KBFLordKrueg Now that we have a beautifully redone Qo’noS, can we hope for more Klingon missions soon as well?"

    Key words being "more Klingon missions" to go with our new city not more FED and Kingon missions to go along with our new city. So I think I grasped it just fine, thanks. It appears you are the one without merit here and my points still stand; Dan didn't answer the question straight. Thanks for playing.

    Interesting, so when you see "more Klingon missions" you believe that to unequivocally mean "more Klingon exclusive missions" but when Dstahl responded he was quite clearly reading it as "more missions that can be done by Klingons." And because he uses a different, but factually valid, interpretation of the posters question that means he didn't answer it? Again, meritless complaint.
    I disagree. Why would anyone play any other ship and give up a full universal boff ship?

    Well that's a good question. Lets look back over our recent STO history and see if we can find a case similar to this one. Oh look, there's already a "full universal BOFF ship" in game that is not played by most players because it has quite a few significant drawbacks, or 'balances.'

    Now, I know what you're about to say, you're about to say "Sure, the BOP isn't popular because it has the lowest hull in the game, it's missing a rear weapon mount, it's missing an ensign BOFF spot, and it lacks passive abilities that make it average or below average at a few significant tasks." And you're right.

    You're also going to say, "And sure, they can take an ensign spot away from the Tier 6 enterprise, and there's no reason a cruiser would have science vessel or escort passives, but they sure as heck can't give a Universal Cruiser the lowest hull in the game and they probably shouldn't take away one of its 8 guns." And you're right too.

    But they can 'balance' a universal cruiser by giving it a relatively low hull strength. If the universal cruiser is the cruiser with the weakest hull and an average turn rate, it will become an expensive and balanced player choice. And if it needs further balancing, they can always take away one of its rear guns, an even bigger hit to a cruiser than to a lightly armored and maneuverable bird of prey. Or they can go an entirely different route, make it freakishly large, give it a low turn rate more in line with Carriers, and science vessel passives. Then it would play like a Klingon Carrier but without the fighter craft.
    And yes I understand it isn't set in stone and that he said they would consider it and that is was a great idea. Problem is Cryptic has released a lot of stuff that has been lacking in balance and has showed total disregard for the PvP and KDF communities. All I have to go off is what they say and their past performance. Words speak, actions thunder.

    Well, it is an interesting idea and if you define 'great' as 'interesting' then it fits the bill. Cryptic is not going to release a game breaking super ship that turns all of Federation End Game into people flying different variants of the same ship. None of their 'actions' could have thundered nearly loud enough for you to actually believe this is something they'd do, even on accident.
    TBH it sounds like you are a FED who wants a super cruiser with all universals to me. I play both factions, and I still can't understand how anyone can justify it.

    That's a bit of a logical leap that is indicated in nothing that I've written. If you're able to make such, lets call them, 'intuitive conclusions' that really explains a lot about how you saw what Dstahl wrote and somehow read, "We will make a Universal T6 Cruiser that will be a God ship with no draw backs or penalties."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Jermbot wrote: »
    Interesting, so when you see "more Klingon missions" you believe that to unequivocally mean "more Klingon exclusive missions" but when Dstahl responded he was quite clearly reading it as "more missions that can be done by Klingons." And because he uses a different, but factually valid, interpretation of the posters question that means he didn't answer it? Again, meritless complaint.

    I believe that the question was asked about more Klingon missions, not non faction specific missions, yes. My beef is exactly what you said; Dstahl answered it according to his interpretation, which obviously was far easier for him to answer than saying, "no at this time there won't be any new KDF exclusive missions, though there will still be the new weeklies..." All I'm saying is man up and tell us the truth, not treat us like idiots who can't read between the lines. My opinion is he handled the question poorly and many of us found it offensive. How's that merit-less?

    Well that's a good question. Lets look back over our recent STO history and see if we can find a case similar to this one. Oh look, there's already a "full universal BOFF ship" in game that is not exceptionally popular because it has quite a few significant drawbacks, or 'balances.'

    LOL.

    Now, I know what you're about to say, you're about to say "Sure, the BOP isn't popular because it has the lowest hull in the game, it's missing a rear weapon mount, it's missing an ensign spot, and it lacks passive abilities that make it average or below average at a few significant tasks." And you're right.

    Okay...

    You're also going to say, "And sure, they can take an ensign spot away from the Tier 6 enterprise, and there's no reason a cruiser would have science vessel or escort passives, but they sure as heck can't give a Universal Cruiser the lowest hull in the game and they probably shouldn't take away one of its 8 guns." And you're right too.

    Still with ya...

    But they can 'balance' a universal cruiser by giving it a relatively low hull strength. If the universal cruiser is the cruiser with the weakest hull and an average turn rate, it will become an expensive and balanced player choice. And if it needs further balancing, they can always take away one of its rear guns, an even bigger hit to a cruiser than to a lightly armored and maneuverable bird of prey.

    Okay, I can see what you are saying. I still think it would be extremely difficult to do this and ensure balance. Is it possible? Maybe is the best I can do right now.


    Well, it is an interesting idea and if you define 'great' as 'interesting' then it fits the bill. Cryptic is not going to release a game breaking super ship that turns all of Federation End Game into people flying different variants of the same ship. None of their 'actions' could have thundered nearly loud enough for you to actually believe this is something they'd do, even on accident.

    "Super ship" is an exaggeration obviously, but some players have expressed a desire for just that and have even attempted to justify it. I stand by my view here. If this ship is released with full uni slots it will likely be OP and everyone save for a few, will pilot it. Again, there won't be much incentive not too.

    That's a bit of a logical leap that is indicated in nothing that I've written. If you're able to make such, lets call them, 'intuitive conclusions' that really explains a lot about how you saw what Dstahl wrote and somehow read, "We will make a Universal T6 Cruiser that will be a God ship with no draw backs or penalties."

    Many have made attempts to justify such a ship, maybe not a God ship though, LOL. Most if not all are primarily Fed players. So based on the things you have said I have lumped you into that general category. All I'm saying is I fail to understand how anyone who wants this game to succeed throws ship balance out the window so they can have something they think is kewl (not saying that is you).
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