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Like many players, I am disapointed that certain items are available in the c-store that are not available elsewhere, and even more disapointed that certain things (such as increased XP) can now be purchased.
The dev team told us that they would never put something in the C-store that would give you an advantage over others, is the ability to BUY increased xp (pretty much comparable to just purchasing XP) not giving players who use such a service an advantage over others?
Why cant this feature be in the game for completing certain missions or having a 'rested' xp bonus similar to WoW.
I know that xp isnt really an issue for the fed side, but it can make all the difference to playing a KDF character.
The C-store needs to walk a fine line, and I think it has definitly been crossed, I am dissapointed that the dev team feels it is ok to allow players with more money than others, to simply buy thier XP.
What do others think about this?
The dev team told us that they would never put something in the C-store that would give you an advantage over others, is the ability to BUY increased xp (pretty much comparable to just purchasing XP) not giving players who use such a service an advantage over others?
Why cant this feature be in the game for completing certain missions or having a 'rested' xp bonus similar to WoW.
I know that xp isnt really an issue for the fed side, but it can make all the difference to playing a KDF character.
The C-store needs to walk a fine line, and I think it has definitly been crossed, I am dissapointed that the dev team feels it is ok to allow players with more money than others, to simply buy thier XP.
What do others think about this?
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Being charged extra for goodies in game you want and no reasonable (key word: reasonable) in game way to procure said items.... makes me feel like my $15 are thrown away on nothing.
At this point I've begun to realize I should cancel between seasons and simply wait for the season releases. It's the only way to get bang for my buck. Everything that is released between seasons is C-Store related.
I hate to be so blunt. I love the game. But this is becoming clearer to me with every "NEW C-STORE ITEM" release and nothing for my sub money.
What do you define as "reasonable"? All the Featured Episodes (and commensurate in-game items), remastered episodes, sector space updates etc. have all been free.
Thats cool, I have never come across it, could you explain to me in what kind of scenario you get it? is it from a mission or an actual item that drops? thanks
I agree that the dev team (seemingly to me anyway) spend alot more time and effort into items that you have to pay for (that by all rights should be available in game with a little effort)
What happend to the idea that all c-store items would be available one way or another through the game? I would hate for sto to head down the 'evony' road. But it is slipping closer and closer to that path in my opinion.
And so I am not being too negative, I would like to say that I love the game and the most recent episode release was fantastic.
If I want to get a retrofit, for example, I either pay like $12 (a month sub, basically) or grind out 500 emblems.
When I rejoined the game, I had 0 emblems. Do you know how many days it would require to get 500 emblems?
That's unreasonable.
But you say that like that's unusual. It shouldn't be. At all. New missions for Klingons shouldn't cost extra. Polish on old content shouldn't cost extra. Fixing rushed things... shouldn't be extra.
You are also kind of making it sound like everything that has come out for the game since launch has been C-Store related. It has not been.
NCSoft does the same with CoH. Booster packs are separate purchases and I do not recall being able to get them in game by any means.
Thats an interesting point, but from another angle, two wrongs (or one wrong) dont make a right.
edit: I should also say that COH subscribers receive a stipend of C-store points now, and all packs are free if I am correct.
Lifetime and sub members of STO recieve no stipend of c-store points.
p.s: I think you got confused with champions online and city of heros.
No, no. I said between seasons. Not since launch.
My only point is this: pick to run with the C-Store, or pick to run with monthly subs. Getting nailed from all angles is tiresome, and honestly, ballsy on their part.
I agree with city of heros they have at least given lifers and subscribers a c-store stipend. They are trying to have thier cake and eat it with sto as they have not made it free to play.
They want a c-store plus want a sub. Seems they want it all.
Ok but what are you expecting to see between seasons? I would agree with you on the C-Store if anything in it were non-optional. You simply do not have to buy anything there if you do not want to.
City of Heroes is not Champions Online, which is what I believe you are referring to. City of Heroes (CoH) does not offer Lifetime subs and has no C-Store.
So does Ncsoft run CoH? The confusion arose here...
NCSoft/Paragon Studios run it.
(saying nearly because when you look at the prices you might feel the C-Store is a bargain) City of Heroes(CoH) is run by NCsoft.
Champions Online(CO) is run by Cryptic.
No.. CoH subbers don't get anything for Cryptic games.. or Atari games.. as they haven't been part of Cryptic for quite some time now.
I believe the correlation was.. everything that has an in-game affect can be obtained without spending money in the C-Store. Ship variants with different stats ARE obtainable in-game. Cryptic never said it wouldn't be easier to buy it.. they just said that anything that gives a stat bonus will have an in-game way to obtain it.
That isn't rue with other games, like City of Heroes, where if you don't buy the costume packs, you are SOL on getting them in-game at all.
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Im not sure why you would be so pleased about that. I for one would rather have to pay £15 every 6 months/12 for an expansion and have all the stuff in the c-store for free.
Because some people don't want to have everything in the C-Store {gasp}.
So you would rather be required to buy an expansion to gain access to content and be able to level to max level but get some neat looking stuff than not have to buy anything and gain access to all content and then if you feel like it buy items that you want?
Oh and those talking about an expansion for STO, it's not happening. Cryptic told everyone long ago that they aren't going to bother selling expansions.
Part of that reason is because of there model of using C-Store items for additional income that then gets used to pay for the creation of said C-Store items and new free content.
I'm really surprised the way they've done the Delta Flyer issue. I haven't actually tried to mission, but it seems fairly straight forward and to get it within roughly 12 days is a deal.
I think every MMO nowadays does a C-Store style of gig and so Cryptic/Atari doing this should come as no surprise. I don't know what the profit margins are on 15/month and I assume that they are still relatively high with enough players due to the price staying consistent (competition helps, but somebody like WoW might be in a position to try to raise the price if they saw fit. Nevertheless, it staying a consistent 15 a month makes companies want to look elsewhere for larger profits.
I agree with the OP. I am a big fan of STO and play all the time. In the past I have been pretty neutral on the C-Store. However, I feel that now more resources than before are going into content that is only available in the store. We have been told that the STO Dev team is small and that their resources have to be used wisely. Yet it seems that all the twitter and marketing buzz for STO as of late has been about items the Dev team is making for the C-Store.
It seems that more and more the cost to play STO is the monthly sub fee AND the cost of new items in the C-store. And I know people will say that you dont have to buy stuff (and I dont.) but the dual payment system will have some players who feel left out if they dont have the cash to pay an extra $15 for this months new toy. This will leave the community somewhat fractured and some people feeling disgruntled because they dont have enough money to enjoy the game as much as people with more money.
It's available as a rare drop, if I recall. Isn't that in-game?
Wow is dual pay (seems people want to make the comparisons) You have a monthly fee and in order to get to new areas and advance your toon you have to buy an expansion every few months/years.