I believe there is an old idiom it goes something like this "A fool and his money are soon parted."
I am not calling anyone a fool just quoting an idiom but if one wants to spend $300 dollars on an electronic trinket with no physical value one needs to evaluate one's interpretation of one's understanding of value.
Considering I paid more than just a few bucks for em, yes they were not "free".
The preorder items were free they were connected to the retail purchases that included access to the game and a free 30 day subscription. If you made a choice like a lot of us did to buy additional copies to get these items doesnt negate the fact that the preorder items were free since you did not pay for the preorder items but the game.
The preorder items were free they were connected to the retail purchases that included access to the game and a free 30 day subscription. If you made a choice like a lot of us did to buy additional copies to get these items doesnt negate the fact that the preorder items were free since you did not pay for the preorder items but the game.
I mean all the items people got (including the special versions) that got on the store.
And yes, the paid extra money upfront , instead of waiting for the price to go down, due to the "exclusive" bonuses.
And being an LTSer, i didn't get any free time nor did I buy multiple versions.
And I disagree, it cost them more than just buying the one game, so I believe they did pay extra.
They did not pay extra for the items. They bought an extra copy of the game for themselves.
Debatable. They gave Cryptic and extra amount of money from their box to purchase another for the sole purpose of getting the item, with no other benefit from the extra box. Therefore, they paid extra for the item then their original purchase.
But ultimately, that is irrelevant. If what you wanted were going to happen, it would've happened months ago. You'd be best to just let it go.
If you don't like my opinion and are just going to troll and say "it's wrong, it's old" without discussing the issue then please, you don't have to stay. But please, either contribute or leave. I'm not being rude, I just don't want a thread full of people just saying "Shut up, you are wrong" If you are going to contribute, I welcome your input.
I also want to point out that compensating improves the game and makes it better so please prove to me how it could make it worse and I'll stop discussing it.
And being an LTSer, i didn't get any free time nor did I buy multiple versions.
The devs covered this why are you bringing up this old controversy. We are both lifetime and I have what I paid for with the lifetime subscription. Also, I purchased multiple versions so again my vote is it is ok and it trumps your opinion.
As a blanket rule, these are all opinions, nobody's opinion is better than anyone else's.
If you are just going to troll instead of coming up with logical arguments, please leave.
If you are going to logically contribute, please stay.
Debatable. They gave Cryptic and extra amount of money from their box to purchase another for the sole purpose of getting the item, with no other benefit from the extra box. Therefore, they paid extra for the item then their original purchase.
If they received the game and the play time, there is nothing to debate. In order for your interpretation to work, the only thing the purchaser should have received was the pre-order item, which is clearly not the case.
The pre-order item is an incentive to make a purchase, that purchase being what Cryptic was selling. What Cryptic was selling was a license to use the Star Trek Online software and a period of time to use that software. If someone did not feel that an additional copy of the game and the play time was beneficial to them enough to warrant the purchase, they simply should not have made it.
If you don't like my opinion and are just going to troll and say "it's wrong, it's old" without discussing the issue then please, you don't have to stay. But please, either contribute or leave. I'm not being rude, I just don't want a thread full of people just saying "Shut up, you are wrong" If you are going to contribute, I welcome your input.
I also want to point out that compensating improves the game and makes it better so please prove to me how it could make it worse and I'll stop discussing it.
Except that I did contribute, and neither told you to shut up nor simply said "it's wrong, it's old." What I did was to politely explain that what you want is never going to happen and that you need to learn to live with that.
Dont pay him any attention. He has clearly stated he does not have a CO lifetime nor has he purchased multiple copies.
So he pretends there is an issue and he is here to advocate for those who were apparently shortchanged for buying multiple copies of the game.
I am someone who fits both of the things he is arguing for bring up issues that have been debated on these forums.
The issue he addresses does not affect him in anyway.
My having purchased the multiple copies and the CO lifetime am ok with the way things are yet he thinks his having no stake in any of the said predicaments somehow gives him a right to harp on what has already been discussed continually.
He said I am trolling yet he is the one who has no vested interest in whether I receive compensation for which I am not asking for from Cryptic. I paid for what I received and anything extra is not adding to the game but taking away from the game.
He has talked about how his idea will add more people and revenue to the game which is not logically how can it add more revenue when it gives Atari tokens away.
If they received the game and the play time, there is nothing to debate. In order for your interpretation to work, the only thing the purchaser should have received was the pre-order item, which is clearly not the case.
My boxed set gave me NO PLAY TIME, as it did for many others, clearly it is the case for many.
The pre-order item is an incentive to make a purchase, that purchase being what Cryptic was selling. What Cryptic was selling was a license to use the Star Trek Online software and a period of time to use that software. If someone did not feel that an additional copy of the game and the play time was beneficial to them enough to warrant the purchase, they simply should not have made it.
They felt it warranted it due to the false impression by Cryptic that it was exclusive, when it obviously was not.
Except that I did contribute, and neither told you to shut up nor simply said "it's wrong, it's old." What I did was to politely explain that what you want is never going to happen and that you need to learn to live with that.
Dont pay him any attention. He has clearly stated he does not have a CO lifetime nor has he purchased multiple copies.
So he pretends there is an issue and he is here to advocate for those who were apparently shortchanged for buying multiple copies of the game.
I am someone who fits both of the things he is arguing for bring up issues that have been debated on these forums.
No you are not, I was speaking of the CO LTSers who bought it for the STO stuff, and by your own admission, you didn't.
Also, I am not pretending there is an issue, there is one, its just that most of the people who had it quit because of it, send them an email about how they will get compensation and all the new things in game and I'll bet they'll gain a bunch of subscribers.
He said I am trolling yet he is the one who has no vested interest in whether I receive compensation for which I am not asking for from Cryptic. I paid for what I received and anything extra is not adding to the game but taking away from the game.
He has talked about how his idea will add more people and revenue to the game which is not logically how can it add more revenue when it gives Atari tokens away.
So giving a small amount of tokens to gain a larger amount of subs and money is going to logically make them less money? I get it, just like when I give you an 1 and you give me 7, i have lost 6 :rolleyes:
Cryptic, I am a CO lifetimer and I am a subscriber that purchased multiple copies. I do not believe it is in the best interest of this game to receive any compensation for your putting the Mirror universe on the c-store nor your adding pre-order items on the c-store.
I believe that your giving Atari Tokens would not be in the best interest of this game because it would not generate any revenue but instead give revenue away and I hope you do not follow this suggestion from an individual who has accused me of trolling even though he has resurrected a dead issue.
Cryptic, I am a CO lifetimer and I am a subscriber that purchased multiple copies. I do not believe it is in the best interest of this game to receive any compensation for your putting the Mirror universe on the c-store nor your adding pre-order items on the c-store.
I believe that your giving Atari Tokens would not be in the best interest of this game because it would not generate any revenue but instead give revenue away and I hope you do not follow this suggestion from an individual who has accused me of trolling even though he has resurrected a dead issue.
They felt it warranted it due to the false impression by Cryptic that it was exclusive, when it obviously was not.
But they were not purchasing the pre-order item. Whether or not it was exclusive (or rather the purchaser's particular incorrect definition of exclusive) is irrelevant. The only way it would be relevant is if they did not receive the pre-order item and were told they would.
This contributed nothing, and basically said "it's wrong, its old"
Nowhere in my post are the words "shut up, it's old" or "it's wrong, it's old." And, like it or not, any debate about this topic is, in fact, irrelevant because the issue has been long since decided upon by TPTB.
I already did so thanks for just jumping in the thread and reading nothing.
I skimmed the thread, but in any case, I was responding to your original post which contained no discussion of how the game would be improved. If you want people to discuss the issue with you on this basis, you would do well to edit your original post such that they see this apparent explanation as it is very easy for people to miss it if it is only part of a response to someone else.
But they were not purchasing the pre-order item. Whether or not it was exclusive (or rather the purchaser's particular incorrect definition of exclusive) is irrelevant. The only way it would be relevant is if they did not receive the pre-order item and were told they would.
No, it depends on point of view. The only way to get it was the false impression of exclusivity that Cryptic used.
Nowhere in my post are the words "shut up, it's old" or "it's wrong, it's old." And, like it or not, any debate about this topic is, in fact, irrelevant because the issue has been long since decided upon by TPTB.
The TPTB are different now. And saying something in longer language doesn't change the base meaning.
I skimmed the thread, but in any case, I was responding to your original post which contained no discussion of how the game would be improved. If you want people to discuss the issue with you on this basis, you would do well to edit your original post such that they see this apparent explanation as it is very easy for people to miss it if it is only part of a response to someone else.
To make it abundantly clear since i guess you can't be troubled to read a couple pages of posts before making grand generalizations.
Overall, A very simple compensation program would be good for Cryptic.
Right now there are a group of gamers who won't buy from the C-Store, won't advertise the game to others, and won't pay more for content when it comes out. Thus Cryptic makes nothing from them.
Giving them Compensation can't hurt Cryptic.
Right now, they aren't be making money off of that group anyway (and in fact not getting revenue they could be getting)
Once they give a compensation (which is in fictional money that costs them nothing)
either
A) The people will spend their points and nothing more
or They will spend the points and buy more
And even the A group will still provide more revenue by being happy with the game and more responsive to spending money on it in the future and advertising it.
The only drawback is some of that population won't spend more or advertise (but they wouldn't be making money off of them anyway, so they remain in equilibirum)
Explain. Did you install the software and create an alternative account to use for the extra 30 days? If you did not get it because you tried to apply it to your original account, then you did receive the time and simply did not follow the proper procedure to acquire the time.
No, it depends on point of view. The only way to get it was the false impression of exclusivity that Cryptic used.
Point of view does not change what you were purchasing, only how you justified your purchase. Your personal justification has no bearing on whether or not Cryptic completed their end of the deal.
To make it abundantly clear since i guess you can't be troubled to read a couple pages of posts before making grand generalizations.
Overall, A very simple compensation program would be good for Cryptic.
Right now there are a group of gamers who won't buy from the C-Store, won't advertise the game to others, and won't pay more for content when it comes out. Thus Cryptic makes nothing from them.
Giving them Compensation can't hurt Cryptic.
Right now, they aren't be making money off of that group anyway (and in fact not getting revenue they could be getting)
Once they give a compensation (which is in fictional money that costs them nothing)
either
A) The people will spend their points and nothing more
or They will spend the points and buy more
And even the A group will still provide more revenue by being happy with the game and more responsive to spending money on it in the future and advertising it.
The only drawback is some of that population won't spend more or advertise (but they wouldn't be making money off of them anyway, so they remain in equilibirum)
It can only help the game not hurt it.
How is that any different than simply giving everyone free stuff? If you consider that improving the game ( which isn't so much as potentially improving the game's image such that it could generate revenue that may or may not be used to improve the game), then you'd "improve the game" even more by simply giving everyone free stuff. Why are you limiting it to some specific sub-case?
Explain. Did you install the software and create an alternative account to use for the extra 30 days? If you did not get it because you tried to apply it to your original account, then you did receive the time and simply did not follow the proper procedure to acquire the time.
Point of view does not change what you were purchasing, only how you justified your purchase. Your personal justification has no bearing on whether or not Cryptic completed their end of the deal.
I bought it under false pretense given by Cryptic. Everything in a purchase depends on point of view, from your POV, its okay, from others, it is not.
TPTB I'm pretty sure have not changed. And, to change someone's mind, you have to have a new argument. Thus far, you have not presented one.
Stahl is now in charge, not Zincecvich, therefore different dude in charge. One who has changed the minds of the TPTB before.
I've shown that it can bring in money and players. So, yes, I have. And how do you know that Zinc even considered it and showed it to TPTB?
How is that any different than simply giving everyone free stuff? If you consider that improving the game ( which isn't so much as potentially improving the game's image such that it could generate revenue that may or may not be used to improve the game), then you'd "improve the game" even more by simply giving everyone free stuff. Why are you limiting it to some specific sub-case?
No, it gives a sub-case (that has either quit the game over it or boycotted the Store over it) what they wanted and thus gets them to buy stuff. I guarantee it makes money, if I give you 1 dollar, and you want a 5 dollar item, I make 4 dollars.
Yes, actually, you did, otherwise an LTS is a stupid investment. The "free" time kicks in after you've subscribed long enough that the total amount of sub fees you would have paid begins to exceed your purchase price.
I bought it under false pretense given by Cryptic. Everything in a purchase depends on point of view, from your POV, its okay, from others, it is not.
There was no false pretense. You got what you paid for, and in addition you received, what was at the time, an exclusive bonus item. Your POV does not change that fact.
Stahl is now in charge, not Zincecvich, therefore different dude in charge. One who has changed the minds of the TPTB before.
I've shown that it can bring in money and players. So, yes, I have. And how do you know that Zinc even considered it and showed it to TPTB?
That argument "this brings in money and players" was made the first time this debate happened, and the second, and every time since. You have said absolutely nothing new on the subject.
Whether or not Zinc personally spoke to them, clearly they heard because they provided a firm decision that was repeatedly delivered to the player base through Cryptic mods, and specifically in one of your many threads on the matter if I am not mistaken.
Unless you can offer some brand new information or arguments that have not come up in the thousands of pages that involved the debate on this subject, there is no reason to expect that decision would change, and even then it would have to be one heck of an argument.
No, it gives a sub-case (that has either quit the game over it or boycotted the Store over it) what they wanted and thus gets them to buy stuff. I guarantee it makes money, if I give you 1 dollar, and you want a 5 dollar item, I make 4 dollars.
What about all the other people who quit the game or boycott the store for other reasons? I don't buy anything from the C-store. Give me free stuff.
And how do you know if you give me $1, I don't simply keep that $1? If I had decided you had wronged me in the past, to the point that I won't play your game or purchase from you again, why am I going to turn around and give you $4? I'm going to take your $1 and go spend it on a competitor to spite you.
Yes, actually, you did, otherwise an LTS is a stupid investment. The "free" time kicks in after you've subscribed long enough that the total amount of sub fees you would have paid begins to exceed your purchase price.
No, the amount of money i paid per hour will slowly decrease, but I still paid them money for a service. Thank you for proving my point about POV
There was no false pretense. You got what you paid for, and in addition you received, what was at the time, an exclusive bonus item. Your POV does not change that fact.
I paid for a "Pre-Order Exclusive Item" buy buying it then. I PAID them money and in return I got the item.
That argument "this brings in money and players" was made the first time this debate happened, and the second, and every time since. You have said absolutely nothing new on the subject.
Once again, different employees, different direction.
Whether or not Zinc personally spoke to them, clearly they heard because they provided a firm decision that was repeatedly delivered to the player base through Cryptic mods, and specifically in one of your many threads on the matter if I am not mistaken.
Unless you can offer some brand new information or arguments that have not come up in the thousands of pages that involved the debate on this subject, there is no reason to expect that decision would change, and even then it would have to be one heck of an argument.
They never gave back a direct answer.
TPTB have changed their mind about C-Store related stuff before with Stahl, so why isn't it possible they might do it again?
And how do you know if you give me $1, I don't simply keep that $1? If I had decided you had wronged me in the past, to the point that I won't play your game or purchase from you again, why am I going to turn around and give you $4? I'm going to take your $1 and go spend it on a competitor to spite you.
Not if the $1 is in fictional currency that only can be used in my store.
Right now, they are getting nothing from the group of people.
Give them some free tokens and either
A) the person keeps it and thus they still get zero from them
or the person uses it and buys more thus providing extra revenue.
Therefore they get either stay zero or get extra money.
I am not trying to be rude but, stop with the "it's old, go away" trolling. Please, either add something new or go away.
I have the strangest feeling of deja vu here. I could swear this was hotly debated by several of the same people last summer...because it was. At first I thought this was a necroed thread but instead it's just a necroed topic with the OP using the same old arguments (which were soundly defeated btw).
I have the strangest feeling of deja vu here. I could swear this was hotly debated by several of the same people last summer...because it was. At first I thought this was a necroed thread but instead it's just a necroed topic with the OP using the same old arguments (which were soundly defeated btw).
I have it too,the same people invading my threads and spewing the same bad arguments against it, then proclaiming false victory.
No, the amount of money i paid per hour will slowly decrease, but I still paid them money for a service. Thank you for proving my point about POV
I got ZERO free time from my box set
Yeah...except they don't charge you per hour. They charge you per month. $15 for each month you want to play. You paid them in advance for several months of play time so that you do not have to pay them per month, and with the expectation that the game will last longer than you paid in advance, such that you will be playing at no extra charge ("free") while others pay. (Unless of course the game goes F2P, in which case you'll probably get the stipend of free C-store stuff you so desire.)
Yeah...except they don't charge you per hour. They charge you per month. $15 for each month you want to play. You paid them in advance for several months of play time so that you do not have to pay them per month, and with the expectation that the game will last longer than you paid in advance, such that you will be playing at no extra charge ("free") while others pay. (Unless of course the game goes F2P, in which case you'll probably get the stipend of free C-store stuff you so desire.)
Actually, they offer the game's subscription at a variety of prices and charging period. I happened to buy their longest one which allows me to play infinitely for $240. It is not free because I had to give them money to get it. It wasn't a buy this many months, get the rest free. So, I am just paying them at a greatly reduced cost. Its a very basic economic principle, I give up something to gain something, therefore it is not free.
If you still have a problem with this concept, I would suggest speaking to an economist or taking an economics class.
Actually, they offer the game's subscription at a variety of prices and charging period. I happened to buy their longest one which allows me to play infinitely for $240. It is not free because I had to give them money to get it. It wasn't a buy this many months, get the rest free. So, I am just paying them at a greatly reduced cost. Its a very basic economic principle, I give up something to gain something, therefore it is not free.
If you still have a problem with this concept, I would suggest speaking to an economist or taking an economics class.
Actually, what we're talking about here is not economics but accounting. You want to amortize your purchase across infinity, which, last I checked, would simply not be done.
But it doesn't matter anyway because it was an irrelevant tangent to begin with and is now moot in lieu of the fact that the game has changed since we purchased it and thus...
I did not get the item I paid for, because they changed it AFTER i bought it.
...and that means this entire topic is actually just a subsection of the new thread you need to create on our behalf asking for compensation for anyone who purchased the game. I will now leave this thread and join that one as soon as it appears.
Actually, what we're talking about here is not economics but accounting. You want to amortize your purchase across infinity, which, last I checked, would simply not be done.
But it doesn't matter anyway because it was an irrelevant tangent to begin with and is now moot in lieu of the fact that the game has changed since we purchased it and thus...
Good try there but no. Guess what, when I buy a special subscription to anything in which I get more than the standard amount of product for a lower price, I am not getting it free. I'm getting it cheaper. Because if it were, free I would be getting it with no precondition of having given them currency. Which I have therefore your point is moot...
...and that means this entire topic is actually just a subsection of the new thread you need to create on our behalf asking for compensation for anyone who purchased the game. I will now leave this thread and join that one as soon as it appears.
Good try but no, as an MMO, you are paying for an ever changing product. However, when I pay them under false pretenses that they decide to go back and change to exploit for more money, I should get some compensation. Heck, they already proved that was the case.
Refer-A-Friend people. They do the program, get their free $25 ship, their free $30 worth of tokens, and everything else in their reward group stays exclusive, and ONLY the ship hits the store, and the get $50 (TWICE the value of the product given away).
Pre-Order and SE people. They do the Pre-Order or buy a special edition, get their items, nothing else, and nothing in their rewards group stays exclusive. They get nothing, why is that fair?
I would like to believe that you are really going to go away, but I doubt it. I'll bet you'll be right back here soon with the same weak arguments trying to fight something that can only make the game better. (I guess for you, the game should be making less money, so we have less content ) If i am that lucky, have fun hating on other peoples threads!
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The preorder items were free they were connected to the retail purchases that included access to the game and a free 30 day subscription. If you made a choice like a lot of us did to buy additional copies to get these items doesnt negate the fact that the preorder items were free since you did not pay for the preorder items but the game.
I disagree with you, thankfully I'm not one of them .
I mean all the items people got (including the special versions) that got on the store.
And yes, the paid extra money upfront , instead of waiting for the price to go down, due to the "exclusive" bonuses.
And being an LTSer, i didn't get any free time nor did I buy multiple versions.
And I disagree, it cost them more than just buying the one game, so I believe they did pay extra.
They did not pay extra for the items. They bought an extra copy of the game for themselves.
But ultimately, that is irrelevant. If what you wanted were going to happen, it would've happened months ago. You'd be best to just let it go.
Debatable. They gave Cryptic and extra amount of money from their box to purchase another for the sole purpose of getting the item, with no other benefit from the extra box. Therefore, they paid extra for the item then their original purchase.
If you don't like my opinion and are just going to troll and say "it's wrong, it's old" without discussing the issue then please, you don't have to stay. But please, either contribute or leave. I'm not being rude, I just don't want a thread full of people just saying "Shut up, you are wrong" If you are going to contribute, I welcome your input.
I also want to point out that compensating improves the game and makes it better so please prove to me how it could make it worse and I'll stop discussing it.
Then why are you complaining about it. So my vote is it is ok and since am a CO lifetimer it trumps your opinion.
The devs covered this why are you bringing up this old controversy. We are both lifetime and I have what I paid for with the lifetime subscription. Also, I purchased multiple versions so again my vote is it is ok and it trumps your opinion.
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If you are just going to troll instead of coming up with logical arguments, please leave.
If you are going to logically contribute, please stay.
If they received the game and the play time, there is nothing to debate. In order for your interpretation to work, the only thing the purchaser should have received was the pre-order item, which is clearly not the case.
The pre-order item is an incentive to make a purchase, that purchase being what Cryptic was selling. What Cryptic was selling was a license to use the Star Trek Online software and a period of time to use that software. If someone did not feel that an additional copy of the game and the play time was beneficial to them enough to warrant the purchase, they simply should not have made it.
Except that I did contribute, and neither told you to shut up nor simply said "it's wrong, it's old." What I did was to politely explain that what you want is never going to happen and that you need to learn to live with that.
Please explain how it improves the game.
Dont pay him any attention. He has clearly stated he does not have a CO lifetime nor has he purchased multiple copies.
So he pretends there is an issue and he is here to advocate for those who were apparently shortchanged for buying multiple copies of the game.
I am someone who fits both of the things he is arguing for bring up issues that have been debated on these forums.
The issue he addresses does not affect him in anyway.
My having purchased the multiple copies and the CO lifetime am ok with the way things are yet he thinks his having no stake in any of the said predicaments somehow gives him a right to harp on what has already been discussed continually.
He said I am trolling yet he is the one who has no vested interest in whether I receive compensation for which I am not asking for from Cryptic. I paid for what I received and anything extra is not adding to the game but taking away from the game.
He has talked about how his idea will add more people and revenue to the game which is not logically how can it add more revenue when it gives Atari tokens away.
My boxed set gave me NO PLAY TIME, as it did for many others, clearly it is the case for many.
They felt it warranted it due to the false impression by Cryptic that it was exclusive, when it obviously was not.
Never told me to shut up, its old, eh?
This contributed nothing, and basically said "it's wrong, its old"
And the guy in charge has changed, so a different response is quite possible.
I already did so thanks for just jumping in the thread and reading nothing.
No you are not, I was speaking of the CO LTSers who bought it for the STO stuff, and by your own admission, you didn't.
Also, I am not pretending there is an issue, there is one, its just that most of the people who had it quit because of it, send them an email about how they will get compensation and all the new things in game and I'll bet they'll gain a bunch of subscribers.
Yes it does.
I do have a vested interest.
So giving a small amount of tokens to gain a larger amount of subs and money is going to logically make them less money? I get it, just like when I give you an 1 and you give me 7, i have lost 6 :rolleyes:
Thanks for trolling and no, it didn't. I'm just as calm as ever.
I believe that your giving Atari Tokens would not be in the best interest of this game because it would not generate any revenue but instead give revenue away and I hope you do not follow this suggestion from an individual who has accused me of trolling even though he has resurrected a dead issue.
Ok, why not?
How exactly does it not generate ANY revenue?
Explain this. If you installed that copy and created an account to use with that copy, would you not get your free 30 days as promised?
But they were not purchasing the pre-order item. Whether or not it was exclusive (or rather the purchaser's particular incorrect definition of exclusive) is irrelevant. The only way it would be relevant is if they did not receive the pre-order item and were told they would.
Nowhere in my post are the words "shut up, it's old" or "it's wrong, it's old." And, like it or not, any debate about this topic is, in fact, irrelevant because the issue has been long since decided upon by TPTB.
Last I checked, it is not under his purview. He can only appeal to TPTB, and they have been abundantly clear on this.
I skimmed the thread, but in any case, I was responding to your original post which contained no discussion of how the game would be improved. If you want people to discuss the issue with you on this basis, you would do well to edit your original post such that they see this apparent explanation as it is very easy for people to miss it if it is only part of a response to someone else.
No, it depends on point of view. The only way to get it was the false impression of exclusivity that Cryptic used.
The TPTB are different now. And saying something in longer language doesn't change the base meaning.
TPTB made things C-Store only, he changed their mind
To make it abundantly clear since i guess you can't be troubled to read a couple pages of posts before making grand generalizations.
Overall, A very simple compensation program would be good for Cryptic.
Right now there are a group of gamers who won't buy from the C-Store, won't advertise the game to others, and won't pay more for content when it comes out. Thus Cryptic makes nothing from them.
Giving them Compensation can't hurt Cryptic.
Right now, they aren't be making money off of that group anyway (and in fact not getting revenue they could be getting)
Once they give a compensation (which is in fictional money that costs them nothing)
either
A) The people will spend their points and nothing more
or
And even the A group will still provide more revenue by being happy with the game and more responsive to spending money on it in the future and advertising it.
The only drawback is some of that population won't spend more or advertise (but they wouldn't be making money off of them anyway, so they remain in equilibirum)
It can only help the game not hurt it.
Explain. Did you install the software and create an alternative account to use for the extra 30 days? If you did not get it because you tried to apply it to your original account, then you did receive the time and simply did not follow the proper procedure to acquire the time.
Point of view does not change what you were purchasing, only how you justified your purchase. Your personal justification has no bearing on whether or not Cryptic completed their end of the deal.
TPTB I'm pretty sure have not changed. And, to change someone's mind, you have to have a new argument. Thus far, you have not presented one.
How is that any different than simply giving everyone free stuff? If you consider that improving the game ( which isn't so much as potentially improving the game's image such that it could generate revenue that may or may not be used to improve the game), then you'd "improve the game" even more by simply giving everyone free stuff. Why are you limiting it to some specific sub-case?
As an LTS-er, I din;t get any "free time"
I bought it under false pretense given by Cryptic. Everything in a purchase depends on point of view, from your POV, its okay, from others, it is not.
Stahl is now in charge, not Zincecvich, therefore different dude in charge. One who has changed the minds of the TPTB before.
I've shown that it can bring in money and players. So, yes, I have. And how do you know that Zinc even considered it and showed it to TPTB?
No, it gives a sub-case (that has either quit the game over it or boycotted the Store over it) what they wanted and thus gets them to buy stuff. I guarantee it makes money, if I give you 1 dollar, and you want a 5 dollar item, I make 4 dollars.
Yes, actually, you did, otherwise an LTS is a stupid investment. The "free" time kicks in after you've subscribed long enough that the total amount of sub fees you would have paid begins to exceed your purchase price.
There was no false pretense. You got what you paid for, and in addition you received, what was at the time, an exclusive bonus item. Your POV does not change that fact.
That argument "this brings in money and players" was made the first time this debate happened, and the second, and every time since. You have said absolutely nothing new on the subject.
Whether or not Zinc personally spoke to them, clearly they heard because they provided a firm decision that was repeatedly delivered to the player base through Cryptic mods, and specifically in one of your many threads on the matter if I am not mistaken.
Unless you can offer some brand new information or arguments that have not come up in the thousands of pages that involved the debate on this subject, there is no reason to expect that decision would change, and even then it would have to be one heck of an argument.
What about all the other people who quit the game or boycott the store for other reasons? I don't buy anything from the C-store. Give me free stuff.
And how do you know if you give me $1, I don't simply keep that $1? If I had decided you had wronged me in the past, to the point that I won't play your game or purchase from you again, why am I going to turn around and give you $4? I'm going to take your $1 and go spend it on a competitor to spite you.
No, the amount of money i paid per hour will slowly decrease, but I still paid them money for a service. Thank you for proving my point about POV
I got ZERO free time from my box set
I paid for a "Pre-Order Exclusive Item" buy buying it then. I PAID them money and in return I got the item.
Once again, different employees, different direction.
They never gave back a direct answer.
TPTB have changed their mind about C-Store related stuff before with Stahl, so why isn't it possible they might do it again?
Because you didn't get tricked out of money.
Not if the $1 is in fictional currency that only can be used in my store.
Right now, they are getting nothing from the group of people.
Give them some free tokens and either
A) the person keeps it and thus they still get zero from them
or
Therefore they get either stay zero or get extra money.
I am not trying to be rude but, stop with the "it's old, go away" trolling. Please, either add something new or go away.
Let...it...go
I have it too,the same people invading my threads and spewing the same bad arguments against it, then proclaiming false victory.
If you don't like it, and aren't going to contribute, no one is forcing you to be here.
I would advise you to read this thread before you casually use the "T" word again.
Fixed it, by the way, I think you should read it too.
Yeah...except they don't charge you per hour. They charge you per month. $15 for each month you want to play. You paid them in advance for several months of play time so that you do not have to pay them per month, and with the expectation that the game will last longer than you paid in advance, such that you will be playing at no extra charge ("free") while others pay. (Unless of course the game goes F2P, in which case you'll probably get the stipend of free C-store stuff you so desire.)
Wait, you paid them money and got what you wanted? So then there's no problem. I guess that ends the debate here.
Actually, they offer the game's subscription at a variety of prices and charging period. I happened to buy their longest one which allows me to play infinitely for $240. It is not free because I had to give them money to get it. It wasn't a buy this many months, get the rest free. So, I am just paying them at a greatly reduced cost. Its a very basic economic principle, I give up something to gain something, therefore it is not free.
If you still have a problem with this concept, I would suggest speaking to an economist or taking an economics class.
Good try there but no, I did not get the item I paid for, because they changed it AFTER i bought it.
Actually, what we're talking about here is not economics but accounting. You want to amortize your purchase across infinity, which, last I checked, would simply not be done.
But it doesn't matter anyway because it was an irrelevant tangent to begin with and is now moot in lieu of the fact that the game has changed since we purchased it and thus...
...and that means this entire topic is actually just a subsection of the new thread you need to create on our behalf asking for compensation for anyone who purchased the game. I will now leave this thread and join that one as soon as it appears.
Good try there but no. Guess what, when I buy a special subscription to anything in which I get more than the standard amount of product for a lower price, I am not getting it free. I'm getting it cheaper. Because if it were, free I would be getting it with no precondition of having given them currency. Which I have therefore your point is moot...
Good try but no, as an MMO, you are paying for an ever changing product. However, when I pay them under false pretenses that they decide to go back and change to exploit for more money, I should get some compensation. Heck, they already proved that was the case.
Refer-A-Friend people. They do the program, get their free $25 ship, their free $30 worth of tokens, and everything else in their reward group stays exclusive, and ONLY the ship hits the store, and the get $50 (TWICE the value of the product given away).
Pre-Order and SE people. They do the Pre-Order or buy a special edition, get their items, nothing else, and nothing in their rewards group stays exclusive. They get nothing, why is that fair?
I would like to believe that you are really going to go away, but I doubt it. I'll bet you'll be right back here soon with the same weak arguments trying to fight something that can only make the game better. (I guess for you, the game should be making less money, so we have less content
But as many have stated this debate has raged on for months upon months. IT's not going to happen.