It is like donating troops to the U.N. When you give some guys to the U.N. they wear the blue helmet. You still have your army back home as well. Any Vulcan ships assigned to Starfleet fleet take on the U.S.S. A ship that serves Vulcan gets a V.S. But the game and the PvE stories make it clear you work for Starfleet and your ship is issued out of the Starfleet shipyard so it carries the U.S.S.
Are other possible options viable? Sure, but you'll have to role play them in your head.
I was a little surprised when the Tal'Kyr was released as a Federation ship, since I thought the Federation did not use the Vulcan designs in their ships and the Vulcans used those ships in their own science fleet separate from Starfleet.
I personally think it's totally logical that there would be vulcan ship designs in Starfleet. unless vulcan ships where just TRIBBLE compared to other federation starships
I personally think it's totally logical that there would be vulcan ship designs in Starfleet. unless vulcan ships where just TRIBBLE compared to other federation starships
More likely is that the Vulcans just simply wouldn't share their designs and technology directly. That is until it was outright surpassed.
I personally think it's totally logical that there would be vulcan ship designs in Starfleet. unless vulcan ships where just TRIBBLE compared to other federation starships
I did not explain myself very well. I meant that Federation ships would not have the same "look" as Vulcan ships but of course they would use the same or similar technology, since Vulcans were one of the originators of the United Federation of Planets and Starfleet.
It's not a big deal, really. I have a Vulcan science ship among my ships and I like it and would keep the name as it is.
You can fly a VSS ship... if you want to get court-martialed.
You're in Starfleet, flying a vessel serving the UFP--not Vulcan. A ship flying under the wrong colors generally means a command is going to have one or more vacancies shortly.
Not even with other members of the state they created?
This was mentioned in the Enterprise series, that the Vulcans did not share technology with humans; they did share some but held back. This was before the Federation was created. It's like governments that sell jet fighters to other countries today. They share their slightly older technology with friendly nations, but not the latest.
This was mentioned in the Enterprise series, that the Vulcans did not share technology with humans; they did share some but held back. This was before the Federation was created. It's like governments that sell jet fighters to other countries today. They share their slightly older technology with friendly nations, but not the latest.
This was mentioned in the Enterprise series, that the Vulcans did not share technology with humans; they did share some but held back. This was before the Federation was created. It's like governments that sell jet fighters to other countries today. They share their slightly older technology with friendly nations, but not the latest.
Its possible that an old 2nd line Vulcan ship is a top of the line Starfleet ship for the reason you mention. They might upgrade it a bit and hand it over as part of their contribution to the Klingon War effort or the Borg invasion. It also explains why that Jellyfish ship appeared to be very advanced for a single seat ship.
No problems with UFP member ships being included but they should fly the SF flag.
Well not really. Enterprise was set *before* the founding of the Federation. You don't see Scotland withholding technical knowledge from the rest of the United Kingdom. Starfleet is the Federation's military service, not just Earth's.
When Bajor was set to join there was to a full integration of the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet. Characters identify themselves first as "Federation Citizens", not "Earth Citizens" or "Andorian Citizens"
Well not really. Enterprise was set *before* the founding of the Federation. You don't see Scotland withholding technical knowledge from the rest of the United Kingdom. Starfleet is the Federation's military service, not just Earth's.
When Bajor was set to join there was to a full integration of the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet. Characters identify themselves first as "Federation Citizens", not "Earth Citizens" or "Andorian Citizens"
Yes but remember that each planetary system has ambassadors from the Federation, which suggests that planetary systems are still autonomous and independent.
Yes but remember that each planetary system has ambassadors from the Federation, which suggests that planetary systems are still autonomous and independent.
France has an ambassador to the European Union. That doesn't stop the European Union expressing sovereignty over trade and other areas as proscribed in law. You can't be in a political federation and yet still be independent... :S
France has an ambassador to the European Union. That doesn't stop the European Union expressing sovereignty over trade and other areas as proscribed in law. You can't be in a political federation and yet still be independent... :S
The federation would only be involved in commerce and relations between its members, I think. If some planet's government wanted to build a nuclear reactor of some crazy and dangerous design, it would not need to consult the federation since the nuclear plant would not affect the other members of the federation.
Couldn't tell if you were being only mostly sarcastic which you probably were (it's hard to tell sometimes on the internet) so I apologize in advance but star trek is meant to show an ideal utopian future where mankind considers itself as part of a federation where interplanetary boundries mean little and national identities have become non-existent
I'm not joking, it's American.
Star Trek is to America, as Doctor Who is to Europe
Just happens that it shows the false hope that the world will be united in a socialist world that somehow works against all odds
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And Your 100% wrong. He constantly stated the United Star Ship Enterprise. you need to go watch the show again.
And he DID also state "United States Ship." There was even an epsiode directed at America's ideals of freedom. Forgot the name of the episode, but hell, at the end, everyone was looking at an American flag that a bunch aliens had and practically worshiped.
Didn't Gene once admit he made a mistake? It was supposed to be U.F.S. instead of U.S.S., but they made everything U.S.S. just out of habit and realized it to late.
United Federation Ship makes more sense the UFP StarShip, but they had to cover for their blooper.
The actual model that the Federation follows is that of a Confederation. But Confederations get a bad rap. None of the worlds are actually giving up their own sovereignty when joining. They just vow to work together on interstellar matters of diplomacy, exploration, defense, and trade. All vicariously through StarFleet.
The UFP really isn't like anything we have on Earth so you can't compare NATO, the EU or the US with how the UFP or Starfleet works. Any ship that is serving within the starfleet, in my eyes, should have the USS (United Star Ship) prefix, lets not start getting silly and argueing it stands for United States Ship, I don't care if Star Trek was made in America, it was never intended by Gene Roddenbury to insinuate the United States runs Earth in the future....
It could be cool for Vulcan ships to have a unique registy system though, instead of NCC, NX or NAR.
That said, the only ships I feel the USS prefix should be removed from are the shuttlecraft, because it just feels wierd they would have thier own designation like that since they are auxilary craft.
Also with the Auxilary craft, they should allow us to use -1, -2, etc on the reg.
You command the USS Shipname NCC-123456 with Aux craft Shuttle NCC-123456-1. It will also be nice if they make the game look at the ship name AND reg before it says "you already have a ship by this name."
If a ship is in Starfleet it will carry a Starfleet designation regardless of it's design. Since your character is a Starfleet officer you will be commanding a Starfleet ship. Civilian and local authority ships are not staffed by Starfleet.
Star Trek is to America, as Doctor Who is to Europe
Just happens that it shows the false hope that the world will be united in a socialist world that somehow works against all odds
And he DID also state "United States Ship." There was even an epsiode directed at America's ideals of freedom. Forgot the name of the episode, but hell, at the end, everyone was looking at an American flag that a bunch aliens had and practically worshiped.
I know it's an american show. I'm not stupid. I'm just saying I don't think gene roddenberry would have wanted people of the future to assume that the Earth was one day all American because of the USS prefix.
I know it's an american show. I'm not stupid. I'm just saying I don't think gene roddenberry would have wanted people of the future to assume that the Earth was one day all American because of the USS prefix.
-sighs- He didnt say United STATES Ship Enterprise, he said United SPACE Ship Enterprise. Listen to the episode in question when He says it, I suppose State can be mistaken for Space but never did that occur to me, the enterprise never presented herself ever in the old show as an American ship...hell her Navigitor was Russian and this was the 60's. Cant be more unamerican than that
He said 'Space Ship' not 'State Ship'
And the epy with the American symbolism is the 'Omega Glory' which was about another planet not a part of the federations. An alternate earth it had little to do with the UFP and starship designations.
-sighs- He didnt say United STATES Ship Enterprise, he said United SPACE Ship Enterprise. Listen to the episode in question when He says it, I suppose State can be mistaken for Space but never did that occur to me, the enterprise never presented herself ever in the old show as an American ship...hell her Navigitor was Russian and this was the 60's. Cant be more unamerican than that
He said 'Space Ship' not 'State Ship'
And the epy with the American symbolism is the 'Omega Glory' which was about another planet not a part of the federations. An alternate earth it had little to do with the UFP and starship designations.
I think you've got confused with who you are directing this post at
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Are other possible options viable? Sure, but you'll have to role play them in your head.
I personally think it's totally logical that there would be vulcan ship designs in Starfleet. unless vulcan ships where just TRIBBLE compared to other federation starships
More likely is that the Vulcans just simply wouldn't share their designs and technology directly. That is until it was outright surpassed.
Not even with other members of the state they created?
And Your 100% wrong. He constantly stated the United Star Ship Enterprise. you need to go watch the show again.
I did not explain myself very well. I meant that Federation ships would not have the same "look" as Vulcan ships but of course they would use the same or similar technology, since Vulcans were one of the originators of the United Federation of Planets and Starfleet.
It's not a big deal, really. I have a Vulcan science ship among my ships and I like it and would keep the name as it is.
You're in Starfleet, flying a vessel serving the UFP--not Vulcan. A ship flying under the wrong colors generally means a command is going to have one or more vacancies shortly.
Yes of course. It's a Tal'Kyr but a Federation ship.
This was mentioned in the Enterprise series, that the Vulcans did not share technology with humans; they did share some but held back. This was before the Federation was created. It's like governments that sell jet fighters to other countries today. They share their slightly older technology with friendly nations, but not the latest.
Its possible that an old 2nd line Vulcan ship is a top of the line Starfleet ship for the reason you mention. They might upgrade it a bit and hand it over as part of their contribution to the Klingon War effort or the Borg invasion. It also explains why that Jellyfish ship appeared to be very advanced for a single seat ship.
No problems with UFP member ships being included but they should fly the SF flag.
Well not really. Enterprise was set *before* the founding of the Federation. You don't see Scotland withholding technical knowledge from the rest of the United Kingdom. Starfleet is the Federation's military service, not just Earth's.
When Bajor was set to join there was to a full integration of the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet. Characters identify themselves first as "Federation Citizens", not "Earth Citizens" or "Andorian Citizens"
Yes but remember that each planetary system has ambassadors from the Federation, which suggests that planetary systems are still autonomous and independent.
France has an ambassador to the European Union. That doesn't stop the European Union expressing sovereignty over trade and other areas as proscribed in law. You can't be in a political federation and yet still be independent... :S
The federation would only be involved in commerce and relations between its members, I think. If some planet's government wanted to build a nuclear reactor of some crazy and dangerous design, it would not need to consult the federation since the nuclear plant would not affect the other members of the federation.
I'm not joking, it's American.
Star Trek is to America, as Doctor Who is to Europe
Just happens that it shows the false hope that the world will be united in a socialist world that somehow works against all odds
And he DID also state "United States Ship." There was even an epsiode directed at America's ideals of freedom. Forgot the name of the episode, but hell, at the end, everyone was looking at an American flag that a bunch aliens had and practically worshiped.
United Federation Ship makes more sense the UFP StarShip, but they had to cover for their blooper.
It could be cool for Vulcan ships to have a unique registy system though, instead of NCC, NX or NAR.
That said, the only ships I feel the USS prefix should be removed from are the shuttlecraft, because it just feels wierd they would have thier own designation like that since they are auxilary craft.
You command the USS Shipname NCC-123456 with Aux craft Shuttle NCC-123456-1. It will also be nice if they make the game look at the ship name AND reg before it says "you already have a ship by this name."
I know it's an american show. I'm not stupid. I'm just saying I don't think gene roddenberry would have wanted people of the future to assume that the Earth was one day all American because of the USS prefix.
-sighs- He didnt say United STATES Ship Enterprise, he said United SPACE Ship Enterprise. Listen to the episode in question when He says it, I suppose State can be mistaken for Space but never did that occur to me, the enterprise never presented herself ever in the old show as an American ship...hell her Navigitor was Russian and this was the 60's. Cant be more unamerican than that
He said 'Space Ship' not 'State Ship'
And the epy with the American symbolism is the 'Omega Glory' which was about another planet not a part of the federations. An alternate earth it had little to do with the UFP and starship designations.
I think you've got confused with who you are directing this post at
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Oh No I wasnt directing the sigh or my post at you L, the one you were debating with over the issue was who I aimed it at.
Sorry for the confusion. and I thought my pic was a pink tribble.
Though the hairpiece theory has good merit :P
Oh ok np