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Can we get the U.S.S. removed from the Vulcan Science vessels and replaced with V.S.S. or somthing just don't seem like they should have the U.S.S. name.
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My Joined Trill character who flys a D'Kyr class vessel works for the Federation Starfleet, not a Vulcan organization. He has been to Vulcan maybe three times, and has no Vulcan bridge officers. The USS Merlin has no more special allegiance to Vulcan than it does to Risa.
Basically, I just don't see why. We're not role-playing pre-Federation Vulcans or anything.
The Raven is a civilian ship with a U.S.S registry but has the Prefix NAR
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Raven
The U.S. Navy currently uses U.S.S. (United States Ship).
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I mean starships, not ships. Sorry for the ambiguity.
Ah well that clears things up.
Too true, we certainly don't want to mix the two up and end up with all the bad "Virgin" jokes online.
I agree with the majority USS is a federation designation and vulcan ships are part of that federation so there is no problem with USS.
No. Here's why: the lore is that the Vulcans gave these to starfleet and they were recommissioned. You're no longer flying a ship under the local sovereignty of the Vulcans - you're flying it for the Federation proper.
However, since they through canon out the cargo bay doors already with the Vulcan Science Vessel, I don't think that having the USS prefix is the worst thing in the world.
Yes while I can appreciate this statement, personally I would remove the U.S.S. all together since I find no reference to a Vulcan ship designated as U.S.S. "Vulcan Ship."
The Jellyfish was a spacecraft that was created by the United Federation of Planets in the late 24th century. The design of this starship was made by Geordi La Forge in conjunction with the Daystrom Institute as well as the Vulcan Science Academy at some point in the 2380's. The ship was created with the intention of being used as part of scientific as well as exploration missions. Starfleet was working with the creators of the ship in order to determine which of the ship systems were capable of being adapted for use by the Federation. (ST website: The Path to 2409) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Jellyfish
The Jellyfish was a 24th century starship commissioned by the Vulcan Science Academy in 2387. The ship was outfitted for the transport of red matter. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Jellyfish_(ship)
This ship, designed by starfleet became a Vulcan Science Acadamy vessel. There is no note of a U.S.S. designation. Granted that the D'Kyr is from the 22nd Century and a recommision by the UFP with designation of U.S.S. is quite probable to me it is just out of place. I imagine this is probably tied into ship names and connot be removed anyhow.
I am absolutely opposed to this. In fact, I feel the ship needs to be *less* un-Starfleet. Adding in the correct Starfleet Grey hull colour would help with this.
We play Starfleet officers, not Vulcan police.
And while we are asking, also drop the USS for shuttlecraft!
It may be a Vulcan Ship, but YOU are a Starfleet Captain. The D'Kyr may be a Vulcan ship, but it IS recommissioned as a Starfleet Vessel.
Anyone using real world logic to argue against, is just wasting your time.
But even though this is how it is, can we have the USS dropped from the D'Kyr? Sure, why not? It is a game and the NX prefix is available.
Why did I mention earlier that you can't argue real world logic for being against having the USS Prefix? Because of said NX Prefix.
If you argue that this show said X, or this book stated Y then it must equal Z, then we can't have everyone using the prefix NX either.
No way would Starfleet have an entire fleet of experimental ships as their current workforce. Yet, it is possible to have this in the game.
USS Raven was a civilian ship, but it was also a Federation Registered science vessel that BOTH Starfleet and Civilians used. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Raven_type
Shuttlecraft should drop the USS prefix however, they are simply named "Shuttlecraft (name)" or "Runabout (name)"
Therefore to summarize, if we decide to drop the USS from the D'Kyr, then we can. But NOT because this said this, or that stated that. If we go that route, and use that term of logic, then by all means, the NX prefix should be up on the cutting block as well.
I've not seen very many people with NX registries compared to NCC registries. The idea that there is a whole fleet of them then becomes a bit redundant.
We also know that Vulcans continued their exploration even into the Gamma Quatrant making first contact with the Wadi (DS9: Move Along Home). And that they were at the forefront of Gamma Quatrant exploration (DS9: Sword of Kahless and Vortex).
I find it hard to believe that sometime between 2369 and 2409 Vulcans completely assimilated their fleet into Starfleet or stopped their, clearly documented, tradition of exploration. There is simply no evidence of this in canon or in the lore of this game.
So...it should be fair, from an RP perspective, to RP a Captain of a Vulcan Science vessel under the command of the Vulcan High Council or Vulcan High Command (some debate as to whether this still existed) or Vulcan Science Council.
Additionally, they absolutely should have their own interiors. Why would one gut a seemingly functional (some would say superior) ship and retrofit it with a completely different design? That simply isn't logical.
Let people RP how they wanna RP
You should read the description. the ships we're flying are a Vulcan design, but they are constructed and commissioned as Starfleet ships. Therefore they use the USS designation.
It's not a big deal considering many of us in the game use tribbles and Horta in combat. I never saw that in Star Trek either
This, alien ships should get their native prefix
Actually you are 100% WRONG.
Even Kirk answered a hail as:: "This is the United States Ship Enterprise..." at times. :rolleyes: And I guess you forgot that Start Trek is American.
Couldn't tell if you were being only mostly sarcastic which you probably were (it's hard to tell sometimes on the internet) so I apologize in advance but star trek is meant to show an ideal utopian future where mankind considers itself as part of a federation where interplanetary boundries mean little and national identities have become non-existent
My opinion is that it really isn't a standard Starfleet vessel, more of a specialty ship, so really any prefix would work:
V.S. for someone who plays it a 'loaner' from the Vulcan government (or as an actual Vulcan ship)
S.S. For someone who plays it as a civilian ship pressed into service
N.X. as an experimental testbed for Starfleet use
U.S.S as a indication this ship is a mainline Starfleet vessel in active regular service (in use possibly because of the loss of so many 'standard' Starfleet ships during the war)