Looki, the open jacket for the female's is not well done. It doesn't matter if you WANT them like this because there is nothing there but skin or if your DONT WANT them because all of the sudden their shirts disappear when the jacket opens. Poorly done job.
I, for one, did not expect the start of a striptease if using one of these. I am against the female open jacket option until it is made to look better, preferably something alittle more professional and a little less "i want boobies".
Replied to you in the other thread, honestly if you think these open jackets "nothing there but skin" then sorry but such an opinion I find ridiculous.
What's this about the ESRB? I remember reading a dev post about a month or so back that stated that the cleavage was nerfed do to an 'in house' (read: Dev made) decision, not the ESRB.
Now that does make me suspicious but I'm wary of falling into conspiracy theories.
Replied to you in the other thread, honestly if you think these open jackets "nothing there but skin" then sorry but such an opinion I find ridiculous.
Now that does make me suspicious but I'm wary of falling into conspiracy theories.
You single out a part of the objection and not the overall point which I find ridiculous. Since I am obviously against them, then you would have figured out that I dont think the jackets are nothing but skin - that comment was a possibility for those that are for it. My objections are clearly stated. Try glasses when you read.
You single out a part of the objection and not the overall point which I find ridiculous. Since I am obviously against them, then you would have figured out that I dont think the jackets are nothing but skin - that comment was a possibility for those that are for it. My objections are clearly stated. Try glasses when you read.
It still works actually you say people want them like this(use of the word like is key here) "because there is nothing there but skin" judging from the other thread it's reasonable to think that is your opinion of what the outfits are. You have made it known you are dissqprove of these outfits, thus "DONT want them because all of a sudden their shirts dissapear" is going to be taken as reference to you and others who dissaprove and so don't want them, the reason given being because they lack shirts.
It's reasonable to think then that you actually view the outfits as too exposing, that they are "nothing there but skin" to you, though here you make try to avoid making it seem like that's why you think they're poorly done and not just the lack of shirt options. There's also the likely disparaging "i want boobies" bit.
Since there are many of us who've made it known we think they lack skin, that defence is iffy, since if we think it lacks skin exposure how can we consider to be "nothing but skin", even if they were exactly as the pcgamer covers in mine and likely most others opinions' they still would not be "nothing but skin". That opinion is thus yours.
That you also like I consider them poorly done though for quite different reasons is not something I consider to matter here.
Thus I can read fine without glasses and can also analyse things. It's possible I've misinterpreted as I haven't had much sleep in which case I apologise but I doubt it.
I think this argument should be stirred up ad-infinitum ad-nauseum. Simply put because it is a failure on Cryptics part to offer what they showcase. I personally, after having bought the items am dissapointed in them, but I have to say the main reason I am annoyed is the fact that the forum votes seem to be useless, if they will not offer what they showcase.
I too am apparently a perverted shallow American male who likes TRIBBLE. And I voted on that uniform for the cleavage. No cleavage makes Thunderchase a sad panda, and slightly upset too.
I think this argument should be stirred up ad-infinitum ad-nauseum. Simply put because it is a failure on Cryptics part to offer what they showcase. I personally, after having bought the items am dissapointed in them, but I have to say the main reason I am annoyed is the fact that the forum votes seem to be useless, if they will not offer what they showcase.
I too am apparently a perverted shallow American male who likes TRIBBLE. And I voted on that uniform for the cleavage. No cleavage makes Thunderchase a sad panda, and slightly upset too.
Please tell me you read what the Dev's said about going as far as they could with the ESRB. They went as far as they thought they could get away with and maintain the rating. Nothing you say will change the ESRB, and the idotic reasonings they have, its not cryptic, its the ESRB, please, place the blame where it needs to be.
first let me say this the esrb is a joke. sorry but true.
devs i dont think you tryed. it SOE's new game DC Universe Online! can have a top that is zipped down to the belly botton and keep a T rateing. why could we not have a little more cleavage?
i would show you a screan shoot but i play it on my ps3. but next time i am online in the game i get the name.
I, for one, did not expect the start of a striptease if using one of these.
Then clearly you failed to do any kind of research into the uniform.
The example image was always "boooobies...", and that you expected otherwise means, for some reason, you expected something other than what we were shown from the very beginning.
This is all a very wierd. So if I get this right. First they wanted to make a uniform with a bit of sex appeal, then they got scared of a bit cleverage and reworked it so that in 95% of all time it looks like a plain contourless area of skincolor instead of just not releasing it they deliver it with build in bugs because they got boobphobia? oO
It a bit of cleverage. Something which is daily business on a summer day here (together with "TOS Skirt" Wohoo... yawn). Its not like we discussing a betazoid wedding dress.
The female open jackets need visible cleavage, or at least a shirt beneath the jacket like the male ones, better both options, and not this lame excuse! And male open jackets need a very manly hairy version as serious option!
The female open jackets need visible cleavage, or at least a shirt beneath the jacket like the male ones, better both options, and not this lame excuse! And male open jackets need a very manly hairy version as serious option!
Wow, if only Caitian fur were available for that look.... xD
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I must say that the current open jackets do need just a bit more cleavage than what's currently shown.
I mean, if you can make nude skins in Champions Online (I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but still...), why can't we have a nice amount of cleavage in STO? *shrug*
The problem is nobody in the future wears bras. Thus, the TRIBBLE aren't squished together, and consequently, no cleavage.
This is exacerbated by the fact the jackets in the future perfectly adhere to the form of the body, so the TRIBBLE are allowed to sit naturally while remaining perfectly supported.
Also in the future all TRIBBLE are naturally round and by a miracle of natural selection never smaller than a C-cup.
Makes one want to live long enough to see it.
In an attempt to learn more of the genre, I've come across some very strange stories of things done to enhance them for screen prominence.
I am in full support of this. (See the charming rogue just to the left for another example.)
Though if some prefer the smooth and oiled-up Shatner look, that should also be a male option.
Are you saying that teens can't handle the shininess of the Shat's glistening pecs and abs? Or the brooding sensuality of the original hairy-chested Vulcan love god? And, as previously discussed, that towering pillar of manhood that is Mudd the First...
you're forgetting one very important thing that makes all the difference when it comes to the Orions... Green skin... Slap some green skin on something and it seems you can get away with anything...
Not true. Remember the whole Mass Effect "seXBOX" issue with FOX news (yeah yeah FOX is a joke even in the Great White North). Media up in arms because of blue alien side boobage and that was 'M' rated. Maybe ME shoulda gone with green for the asari, but I have to say the blue is so much better haha
Not true. Remember the whole Mass Effect "seXBOX" issue with FOX news (yeah yeah FOX is a joke even in the Great White North). Media up in arms because of blue alien side boobage and that was 'M' rated. Maybe ME shoulda gone with green for the asari, but I have to say the blue is so much better haha
Frankly I'm disappointed in the amount of work put into this new uniform. Instead of giving people what they actually asked for, all they did was take an eraser to a small portion of the uniform top and then replace with with skin color texture.
No new art assets were added, which is why the open version shows sternum no matter how well endowed the character is.
That kind of simple, cost-cutting approach is fine if you're making something to put into the game for free. There's no way that I'd ever pay for it because that kind of "minimum amount of effort not really what they asked for but close enough lets rush it out and call it good oh whoops emergency patch cause our lack of testing caused it go live broken for Trills" just isn't good enough for my money.
100% agree
and i would like to add that i would be perfectly fine with that Uniform from the Cover without the cleavage just because it looks awesome by itself and is NOT ingame as displayed there, with or without cleavage.
Actually non of the Artwork Uniforms i have seen and liked are ingame as advertised.
Frankly I'm disappointed in the amount of work put into this new uniform. Instead of giving people what they actually asked for, all they did was take an eraser to a small portion of the uniform top and then replace with with skin color texture.
No new art assets were added, which is why the open version shows sternum no matter how well endowed the character is.
That kind of simple, cost-cutting approach is fine if you're making something to put into the game for free. There's no way that I'd ever pay for it because that kind of "minimum amount of effort not really what they asked for but close enough lets rush it out and call it good oh whoops emergency patch cause our lack of testing caused it go live broken for Trills" just isn't good enough for my money.
You know, I am not too sure what else I can say that has not already been said above. I feel very cheated. Like other people who had taken the time to vote for the things that we would like to see in game, I feel let down. I was looking forward to the "cover of PC gamer" uniform. It came first in the poll, but was last to come out. That was bad enough. Then it was not what we all thought it would be. So the question is.... What is the point of the polls?
The team has brought out some really nice items in the past year for us, but this was a BIG let down. I can only hope that it is reviewed and changed soon. Well I did say hope.
Instead we got this. Which is not what we asked for.
Frankly I'm disappointed in the amount of work put into this new uniform. Instead of giving people what they actually asked for, all they did was take an eraser to a small portion of the uniform top and then replace with with skin color texture.
No new art assets were added, which is why the open version shows sternum no matter how well endowed the character is.
That kind of simple, cost-cutting approach is fine if you're making something to put into the game for free. There's no way that I'd ever pay for it because that kind of "minimum amount of effort not really what they asked for but close enough lets rush it out and call it good oh whoops emergency patch cause our lack of testing caused it go live broken for Trills" just isn't good enough for my money.
I think it has more to do with how the character models "Work" than any kind of deception...
The female models aren't like the ones in say, DOA Extreme beach volleyball. They don't move- they're fixed in place, and the "default position" for want of a better term, has the "sternum valley". I have screenshots from Season 2 testing (when my females would appear totally topless due to a glitch) which show this. For there to be cleavage, the TRIBBLE would have to be oh, heck with it... squeezed together to get closer to the PC Gamer look. The current character models don't allow for that.
Also, I continue to be surprised and dismayed by the number of people demanding the virtual boobies they feel they were promised. Surely there are enough on the Internet already, both real and fake, to satisfy anyone. I acknowledge that titillation has been always been part of Trek (from Theiss' costumes for TOS' guest actresses to Seven of Nine and the NX-01's decontam room), but... aren't there other things the art team could be and should be working on?
this just makes me laugh! sure, i can see people botherd that the open jacket isnt...uplifting as it were, but its a nice jacket if you dont make comparisons to the jacket cover.
Its like wanting sandles and getting boots instead. The boots fit well and dont hurt your feet, but its not what you wanted.
Dont give them so much grief guys they want what they want, and they can point to what they want on the cover and go "This is not the same!" If not for that they wouldnt have an argument here...cryptic must like them green, i made a orion, and i must say very nice.
I wonder if there's an issue with the ESRB regarding "immodestly worn" outfits as opposed to "revealing" outfits. By that I mean it might not be about how much skin is shown so much as about whether it looks like the outfit is being worn in such a way as to show more skin than it's supposed to. ie: the orion bikini is OK because bikinis are supposed to be revealing, but a uniform that's unzipped to the point of showing cleavage isn't because the uniforms aren't supposed to be worn that way which makes it "immodest" to do so.
It seems like the only rational explanation for why the orions would be OK while an open jacket with cleavage isn't.
My pet theory however remains that it would have taken more work to make the jackets show cleavage (redo of the models to make the TRIBBLE more 'push-up bra' and less 'sports bra' in shape/position), and Cryptic was either unable or unwilling to dedicate that amount of effort to this project.
Call me a prude, but I think the open cleavage is abit silly. If they do that, then they should give the KDF the bare chested male Klingon uniforms. I mean you got the Troy and 7 of 9 outfits.
If you are so desperate for cleavage play as an Orion. We are are Starfleet officers, we SUIT UP!
One of things a LOVE about this game is the lack of *hello sailor* outfits. Leave the revealing and half naked stuff to the "swords and magic" crowd.
Granted my view is a bit skewed since I started a thread asking for a smaller option on the "chest" slider.
I'm not a big fan of the "cleavage" look...not because I'm a prude or anything (pretty far from it, actually), but because it's not really Starfleet. I can see Klingons or Orions showcasing their cleavage, though. When I heard that the PC Gamer cover uniform would be in-game I, too, expected more than the "sternum valley" look. I see this as another rush job that the art department should have taken the time to polish up before marketing put this up on the C-Store.
And where's the male version? Who doesn't want to see man-cleavage? Khan pulled it off, didn't he? And while we're at it, how about a "junk slider"?
EDIT: I just looked at the screenshots on the C-Store page again. If you squint REALLY hard and put your face practically to the monitor screen, you can sort of make out a faint line that could possibly be taken for cleavage. Or maybe it's just the double-vision that I was getting for staring too hard.
It's an optical illusion. Plus, Captain Kirk had his shirt of plenty of times!
Anyway about the ESRB, City of Heroes, for the longest time, had a "Suggestive Themes" rating on their box, but the MMO Lineage II did not. Have you seen Lineage II? I think that's more than "Suggestive."
In this particular case (and I don't know what's officially been said about it, but I think I'm going to call it hogwash), the KDF gets more revealing day to day outfits because they're not Starfleet, case and point. The Starfleet uniforms have always been very sharp and exactly what you expect from a uniform, but the option has always been there for someone to wear *something else* if they don't like how all-encompassing they are.
Hence non-standard clothes like 7 of 9, or the TOS skirts. I think Cryptic wants to preserve the Starfleet uniforms.
I dont think its because people want more virtual, I think it's because they were promised one thing and got another, kind of like false advertisement or at least misled. I myself like the open jacket look, a little more realism couldn't hurt though, especially since what previous posters have pointed out or linked from other games for us to see
I dont think its because people want more virtual, I think it's because they were promised one thing and got another, kind of like false advertisement or at least misled. I myself like the open jacket look, a little more realism couldn't hurt though, especially since what previous posters have pointed out or linked from other games for us to see
Exactly this. Cryptic sought our input on what uniforms we wanted in game by starting a thread and showing us examples to vote on. The open jacket (cleavage heavy open jacket I might add) won hands down as the most popular vote getter. Then, all of the other uniforms (which got less votes, some by as much as 20% less) were made FIRST, and were accurate representations of the examples shown on the poll. When we finally get the one we voted for as being the one we wanted (and therefore you would assume the one most likely to generate big C-store returns) it doesn't look anything like the one we voted for.
That is really the problem here. Those that keep trying to make it a you-pervs-just-want-TRIBBLE argument are kind of missing the actual issue.
For the record thou, I do find the cleavage nerf a big disappointment.
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Replied to you in the other thread, honestly if you think these open jackets "nothing there but skin" then sorry but such an opinion I find ridiculous.
Now that does make me suspicious but I'm wary of falling into conspiracy theories.
You single out a part of the objection and not the overall point which I find ridiculous. Since I am obviously against them, then you would have figured out that I dont think the jackets are nothing but skin - that comment was a possibility for those that are for it. My objections are clearly stated. Try glasses when you read.
It still works actually you say people want them like this(use of the word like is key here) "because there is nothing there but skin" judging from the other thread it's reasonable to think that is your opinion of what the outfits are. You have made it known you are dissqprove of these outfits, thus "DONT want them because all of a sudden their shirts dissapear" is going to be taken as reference to you and others who dissaprove and so don't want them, the reason given being because they lack shirts.
It's reasonable to think then that you actually view the outfits as too exposing, that they are "nothing there but skin" to you, though here you make try to avoid making it seem like that's why you think they're poorly done and not just the lack of shirt options. There's also the likely disparaging "i want boobies" bit.
Since there are many of us who've made it known we think they lack skin, that defence is iffy, since if we think it lacks skin exposure how can we consider to be "nothing but skin", even if they were exactly as the pcgamer covers in mine and likely most others opinions' they still would not be "nothing but skin". That opinion is thus yours.
That you also like I consider them poorly done though for quite different reasons is not something I consider to matter here.
Thus I can read fine without glasses and can also analyse things. It's possible I've misinterpreted as I haven't had much sleep in which case I apologise but I doubt it.
I too am apparently a perverted shallow American male who likes TRIBBLE. And I voted on that uniform for the cleavage. No cleavage makes Thunderchase a sad panda, and slightly upset too.
i sooooo agree whit this
first let me say this the esrb is a joke. sorry but true.
devs i dont think you tryed. it SOE's new game DC Universe Online! can have a top that is zipped down to the belly botton and keep a T rateing. why could we not have a little more cleavage?
i would show you a screan shoot but i play it on my ps3. but next time i am online in the game i get the name.
Then clearly you failed to do any kind of research into the uniform.
The example image was always "boooobies...", and that you expected otherwise means, for some reason, you expected something other than what we were shown from the very beginning.
It a bit of cleverage. Something which is daily business on a summer day here (together with "TOS Skirt" Wohoo... yawn). Its not like we discussing a betazoid wedding dress.
Wow, if only Caitian fur were available for that look.... xD
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I must say that the current open jackets do need just a bit more cleavage than what's currently shown.
I mean, if you can make nude skins in Champions Online (I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but still...), why can't we have a nice amount of cleavage in STO? *shrug*
Makes one want to live long enough to see it.
In an attempt to learn more of the genre, I've come across some very strange stories of things done to enhance them for screen prominence.
Though if some prefer the smooth and oiled-up Shatner look, that should also be a male option.
Actually, I see your point.
Not true. Remember the whole Mass Effect "seXBOX" issue with FOX news (yeah yeah FOX is a joke even in the Great White North). Media up in arms because of blue alien side boobage and that was 'M' rated. Maybe ME shoulda gone with green for the asari, but I have to say the blue is so much better haha
Blue IS better!
Red is BEST!
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You sigged it! Bravo,sir!
100% agree
and i would like to add that i would be perfectly fine with that Uniform from the Cover without the cleavage just because it looks awesome by itself and is NOT ingame as displayed there, with or without cleavage.
Actually non of the Artwork Uniforms i have seen and liked are ingame as advertised.
where are these uniforms?
https://picasaweb.google.com/Z3R0B4NG/StarTrekOnlineArtwork#5497527482527975394
https://picasaweb.google.com/Z3R0B4NG/StarTrekOnlineArtwork#5568084577391863122 (yes i know this one looks remotely like the veteran thing... but realy you can not make it look like that and it has crappy gold stuff all over it)
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You know, I am not too sure what else I can say that has not already been said above. I feel very cheated. Like other people who had taken the time to vote for the things that we would like to see in game, I feel let down. I was looking forward to the "cover of PC gamer" uniform. It came first in the poll, but was last to come out. That was bad enough. Then it was not what we all thought it would be. So the question is.... What is the point of the polls?
The team has brought out some really nice items in the past year for us, but this was a BIG let down. I can only hope that it is reviewed and changed soon. Well I did say hope.
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I agree with you completely.
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The female models aren't like the ones in say, DOA Extreme beach volleyball. They don't move- they're fixed in place, and the "default position" for want of a better term, has the "sternum valley". I have screenshots from Season 2 testing (when my females would appear totally topless due to a glitch) which show this. For there to be cleavage, the TRIBBLE would have to be oh, heck with it... squeezed together to get closer to the PC Gamer look. The current character models don't allow for that.
Also, I continue to be surprised and dismayed by the number of people demanding the virtual boobies they feel they were promised. Surely there are enough on the Internet already, both real and fake, to satisfy anyone. I acknowledge that titillation has been always been part of Trek (from Theiss' costumes for TOS' guest actresses to Seven of Nine and the NX-01's decontam room), but... aren't there other things the art team could be and should be working on?
Its like wanting sandles and getting boots instead. The boots fit well and dont hurt your feet, but its not what you wanted.
Dont give them so much grief guys they want what they want, and they can point to what they want on the cover and go "This is not the same!" If not for that they wouldnt have an argument here...cryptic must like them green, i made a orion, and i must say very nice.
It seems like the only rational explanation for why the orions would be OK while an open jacket with cleavage isn't.
My pet theory however remains that it would have taken more work to make the jackets show cleavage (redo of the models to make the TRIBBLE more 'push-up bra' and less 'sports bra' in shape/position), and Cryptic was either unable or unwilling to dedicate that amount of effort to this project.
If you are so desperate for cleavage play as an Orion. We are are Starfleet officers, we SUIT UP!
One of things a LOVE about this game is the lack of *hello sailor* outfits. Leave the revealing and half naked stuff to the "swords and magic" crowd.
Granted my view is a bit skewed since I started a thread asking for a smaller option on the "chest" slider.
And where's the male version? Who doesn't want to see man-cleavage? Khan pulled it off, didn't he? And while we're at it, how about a "junk slider"?
EDIT: I just looked at the screenshots on the C-Store page again. If you squint REALLY hard and put your face practically to the monitor screen, you can sort of make out a faint line that could possibly be taken for cleavage. Or maybe it's just the double-vision that I was getting for staring too hard.
Anyway about the ESRB, City of Heroes, for the longest time, had a "Suggestive Themes" rating on their box, but the MMO Lineage II did not. Have you seen Lineage II? I think that's more than "Suggestive."
In this particular case (and I don't know what's officially been said about it, but I think I'm going to call it hogwash), the KDF gets more revealing day to day outfits because they're not Starfleet, case and point. The Starfleet uniforms have always been very sharp and exactly what you expect from a uniform, but the option has always been there for someone to wear *something else* if they don't like how all-encompassing they are.
Hence non-standard clothes like 7 of 9, or the TOS skirts. I think Cryptic wants to preserve the Starfleet uniforms.
Exactly this. Cryptic sought our input on what uniforms we wanted in game by starting a thread and showing us examples to vote on. The open jacket (cleavage heavy open jacket I might add) won hands down as the most popular vote getter. Then, all of the other uniforms (which got less votes, some by as much as 20% less) were made FIRST, and were accurate representations of the examples shown on the poll. When we finally get the one we voted for as being the one we wanted (and therefore you would assume the one most likely to generate big C-store returns) it doesn't look anything like the one we voted for.
That is really the problem here. Those that keep trying to make it a you-pervs-just-want-TRIBBLE argument are kind of missing the actual issue.
For the record thou, I do find the cleavage nerf a big disappointment.