Sins Were Op But Then.....so 6 Months Later.......
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Sure, there are some petty damn op sins out there. I play on HT server and there are only a handful of these extremely op sins. Most are squishy one or two shots..0
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Sins...broken? b:laugh
The only one broken in 1on1s is me (Barbs and Moon Fairies for sure).
I will just laugh at any sin that seriously thinks that he/she could beat my barb in a 1on1 on equal terms.
Heck! How many times should I tell you guys that STR-built barbs are the strongest 1on1 class currently. Massive DMG + massive survivability overshadows anything by far. It's just that only a few barbs move away from their full-vit -> weak as shiet -built.
Any server needs a full deity, highly skilled, max str barb roaming around. Then we would have dozens of threads as to why Barbs are so friggin OP.
The only place where sins are arguably OP is in mass PvP while they are fully buffed. Their resistence to purge and any other CC is really OP then (if done right). But not in 1on1s.My Barb:
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Joe - Morai wrote: »Sins...broken? b:laugh
I will just laugh at any sin that seriously thinks that he/she could beat my barb in a 1on1 on equal terms.
LOL idk what sins have you been facing, but let me know if you want to get rekt with practically any class you want me to face you with. I'll PM you server.
PS: this is too trash of a gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqWfoP35js&list=UUI4BbxKiG17r3DtWDgcjJpQAm Awesome b:victory
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HESOKA - Raging Tide wrote: »LOL idk what sins have you been facing, but let me know if you want to get rekt with practically any class you want me to face you with. I'll PM you server.
PS: this is too trash of a gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqWfoP35js&list=UUI4BbxKiG17r3DtWDgcjJpQ
You mean you wanna get rekt with any class vs any class by me^^ and sure, but then lets use a full retail server...oh there is none...too bad.
You can't even read the description of a video and wanna beat me? I've got loads of challanges from other players throughout all servers. I never lost and I definitly don't start losing vs you or anyone. If I would lose I'd be really impressed. Kinda looking for the one who can finally beat me.
That video was nothing. I didn't even have to try. Was a test. Like I said in the description^^
But seriously now. How could a sin (lets say deity sharded) think about beating a barb (that is deity sharded too) in 1on1 on selfbuffs. Heck that sin is 3 shot from 2 consecutive zerk crits and a attack to tick off def charm, that can happen all the time.
But how can I blame you guys. You all seem like you havn't ever challanged a decent opponent and live in your own little world where you are gods while udnerestimating anyone else. Ya let's fight. After that you can be part of my fanboy group.My Barb:
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Joe - Morai wrote: »You mean you wanna get rekt with any class vs any class by me^^ and sure, but then lets use a full retail server...oh there is none...too bad.
You can't even read the description of a video and wanna beat me? I've got loads of challanges from other players throughout all servers. I never lost and I definitly don't start losing vs you or anyone. If I would lose I'd be really impressed. Kinda looking for the one who can finally beat me.
That video was nothing. I didn't even have to try. Was a test. Like I said in the description^^
But seriously now. How could a sin (lets say deity sharded) think about beating a barb (that is deity sharded too) in 1on1 on selfbuffs. Heck that sin is 3 shot from 2 consecutive zerk crits and a attack to tick off def charm, that can happen all the time.
But how can I blame you guys. You all seem like you havn't ever challanged a decent opponent and live in your own little world where you are gods while udnerestimating anyone else. Ya let's fight. After that you can be part of my fanboy group.
Joe, 1on1s at this point of this game are pointless,
before NH there was some kind of balance in 1on1 scenario, now there is not.
Some classes destroy some others, there is no more any class can take his chances on any other class
Assassins are gods, because they are masters of the common PvP scenario, that is NWs or TWs, where it happens that they are full buffed.
Only way a barb can kill a sin is on self-buffed 1on1, any other kind of pvp that disregards self buffs requirement, will give assassins a godlike edge,
eventho in 1on1 sin could pop dew and i am curious to see if a deity sin starts pounding your *** on dew + tidal, also using full stealth and kite to africa potentialmypers.pw/1.7/#123510
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XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »Joe, 1on1s at this point of this game are pointless,
before NH there was some kind of balance in 1on1 scenario, now there is not.
Some classes destroy some others, there is no more any class can take his chances on any other class
Assassins are gods, because they are masters of the common PvP scenario, that is NWs or TWs, where it happens that they are full buffed.
Only way a barb can kill a sin is on self-buffed 1on1, any other kind of pvp that disregards self buffs requirement, will give assassins a godlike edge,
eventho in 1on1 sin could pop dew and i am curious to see if a deity sin starts pounding your *** on dew + tidal, also using full stealth and kite to africa potential
XD I got Invoke for dew. So that's no prob. The constant hitting on me keeps me chi up as well.
The thing is. When the sin triple sparks to hit on me and I also triple spark and use solid shield plus an anti-stun of any sort then I deal way more dmg on the sin then the sin deals me. Forcing the sin to move or to die. If he pops Dew or any apo I still have enough time rebuilding chi and going into invoke if I want to.
On self buffs a sin can't stand next to a barb for too long. If he runs then I too have time for CDs to get off and to rebuilt chi. Heck I could just kite the sin and the moment tidal wears off he's dead (I always like saving up enough energy to OI twice to accomodate for faith or AD.
I also think that if you are a deity barb of my choice (16 deity/8josd) and thus having around 170 Attack Level then you should be able to put enough pressure on the sin to move even when fighting buffed (cause a deity sin only got 60-65 def lvl and that is with the def bles). Buffed means using spirit of defense. If we are talking max buffs or even think about adding moon fairy and or night shadows buffs as well as nw wine and ink dragons then yeah...the sin will be nearly unkillable. I can admit that. But. If played right a barb (even a deity one) could last long enough to maybe land a lucky purge on the sin when tidal wears off. Then its clear that the barb will win.
To be honest. I always refused waiting for tidal to wear off because I think that this would be totally unfair. A sin without tidal is a goner. Even if he runs and waits for cd then all my stuff will be out of cd as well and the whole thing starts over again.
So I'm saying. A deity barb can even beat a buffed sin in 1on1 if he just waits his time and has enough plat charms to be burned through.
Unfortunatly that only goes for barbs. Any other class (til now) doesnt have solid shield. I can only imagine a seeker with max def lvl gear (base helm aso) with a new r8rr weap with 40+ def lvl on it could survive even deity sins dmg np. 182 def lvl would surely be awesome. Just imagine getting a SS from that xD
Its really all about the proper strategy. Really. At least on self buffs only I highly believe that any class can beat sins (absolute endgame ofc) in 1on1s. They have it hard for sure...but it's not like as if they are chanceless. The trick is that nearly any class should face a deity sin with deities too. Doesnt increase your dmg much when the dif. Between def and att lvls is over 100.
But ya tidal is somewhat pretty unfair. Maybe we see a decent change in it someday. Removing the capability of blocking purge and paralyze alone would even out things perfectly against sins plus that way I would surely tear sins apart like a piece of paper with my barb
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Mhyea. Sins need to lose tidal. Barbs need to lose that paralyze (or rather need to have the CD extended so that it isn't spammable). That'd make things more interesting. The sin perk should be top damage rather then resilience. The barb perk resilience rather then CC. And Att/Def levels should have gotten diminishing returns much like phys and mag def ffs, it's bloody idiotic that the devs didn't implement that in the first place.
But I agree with what's been said before. One on one balance is so bloody skewed that it's pointless to orient yourself to one on one scenarios.I'm so P.R.O... I Press Respawn Often.
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Joe - Morai wrote: »
You can't even read the description of a video and wanna beat me? I've got loads of challanges from other players throughout all servers. I never lost and I definitly don't start losing vs you or anyone. If I would lose I'd be really impressed. Kinda looking for the one who can finally beat me.
lol you stinky 'pker' explain this trash gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKtjwQDDAvA
No sense of brain use, your gameplay is like a clueless monkey trying to open a tomato can.
I take back my challenge. you're not worth fighting.Am Awesome b:victory
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Hesoka you still a mean little fiish as always.
But you want to cure your sin problem?
December 16. 2014... Just wait on it
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Ibunneh - Raging Tide wrote: »Hesoka you still a mean little fiish as always.
But you want to cure your sin problem?
December 16. 2014... Just wait on it
LAWL
Is it just me or are you talking about Stormbringer? Is it Stormbringer? I am right? I know Im right.
Let us see sins able to kill that easy a magic DD that can cast spells while moving.b:laugh
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Ibunneh - Raging Tide wrote: »Hesoka you still a mean little fiish as always.
But you want to cure your sin problem?
December 16. 2014... Just wait on it
LAWL
I know his type. Encountered them countless times.
He cries like a baby even tho the fight never happened. Pathetic personality.
I bet I'd beat him 8 fights outta 10 without even breaking a sweat.
Anyone with a little brain and knowledge of this game knows that STR barbs do have the edge over sins in 1on1, selfbuffed scenarios. His arrogance blindfolds him like the dozens before him.
The amount of ignorance and arrogance of this guy is so high, heck we better not fight. I'm worried that he's going to take his life when I stomped him into the ground. The way he searches for weakpoints of myself just exploits how pathetic and unknowing he is. Analyse his posts and you'll easily see how low his knowledge is. Not only about that game, about humans and games in general as well.
@Hesoka: Kid you are so full of yourself...it's not even funny. When you unterestimate someone then that person automatically has the advantage. You might say I'm just as arrogant as you are, but that is obviously not true. I use arrogance to attract opponents just like you. Your arrogance on the other hand is the violent type. To be exact the "I only fought pathetic morons to date and think I'm unbeatable"-type.
Let me tell you a little secret. To this day, under fair conditions, selfbuffed 1on1, I am unbeaten in over 5 years on retail servers. So many have been like you and I never lost. What on earth makes you fool think that you are any different? C'mon get infuriated if you want and act like the spoiled brat you are cause that very behaviour will keep you from reaching the top, forever.
BTT: Ofc, the Fairies will be the very top class from the release on and (if played right) will have the biggest overall chances in fightng all other classes. Anyone that already tested them out and got some knowledge of how this game and ofc the servers/lag work knows that it's nothing but the truth. But time will tell. One thing is certain. Sins are not the most powerful class and won't ever be. They have their specialties where they can rule. But overall...nah.
PS: I once hit a full +12, deity sharded sin for over 40k in a single hit with my VIT-sharded barb on Morai. Heck if deity sharded I'd land 2 lucky zc in a row and the sin is dead. On the other hand, I didn't die from him being triple sparked + tangling mire + Sage subsea. THERE IS NO KILLING A BARB IN SOLID SHIELD (especially not with def charms and pots which I mostly refuse to use, simply because they are lame and unneccesary (I bet most people (like that kid sin up there) couldn't even handle using def charms/pots during fight w/o the auto-rec-stone anymore). When do people finally learn.My Barb:
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EQUAL! Plus I guess this is some kind of plague that goes around that stops people from thinking before acting. Not being beat doesn't mean I never got killed. Being beaten means that you lose several consecutive times or the majority of fights out of a couple of fights. At equal terms when skilled people fight there is no way that one does always win, or rather it's uncommon. Geez, do I have to explain the basics now too?
Oh but I guess, the kids are strong in you guys. I bet you guys are the kind of people that would totally go crazy and boast your ego when winning once against an opponent after losing to him dozen times before. You beat an opponent by winning him over more times then he won over you. Anything else is pathic childsgame and so not worth any mature people's time.
Most really skilled people I've met agree that retail is the most balanced version of this game you can get. How do I call people that think it's imbalanced? Ah yeah, unable to play. For example, if a deity Barb stands besides a you (sin) and you know that his dmg is far too much for you to take then I suggest you friggin move. People these days can't play defensively and then go blame the balance for it.
It's called analyzing your opponent, knowing your odds, make the best out of each and every situation and ofc take risks sometimes.
Sorry if it seems like I'm being rude, but seriously. You guys lack that very very basic knowledge and then want me to take you seriously? I just waited for someone to make fun out of retail servers. I rather you stop wasting your time on your undeserved ego/arrogance and start thinking instead.
The important thing that really stands out here is: "A single loss or a single win doesn't mean anything. If you can't do a thing many times in a row then you can't do it and just had luck."
PS: On the officials I have ALWAYS been in worse gear compared to my opponents. I never've lost to anyone who was equal or lower geared than me. NEVER.My Barb:
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Ibunneh - Raging Tide wrote: »Hesoka you still a mean little fiish as always.
But you want to cure your sin problem?
December 16. 2014... Just wait on it
LAWL
You keep dreaming of the day when they nerf sins :PAm Awesome b:victory
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Joe - Morai wrote: »I know his type. Encountered them countless times.
He cries like a baby even tho the fight never happened. Pathetic personality.
I bet I'd beat him 8 fights outta 10 without even breaking a sweat.
Anyone with a little brain and knowledge of this game knows that STR barbs do have the edge over sins in 1on1, selfbuffed scenarios. His arrogance blindfolds him like the dozens before him.
The amount of ignorance and arrogance of this guy is so high, heck we better not fight. I'm worried that he's going to take his life when I stomped him into the ground. The way he searches for weakpoints of myself just exploits how pathetic and unknowing he is. Analyse his posts and you'll easily see how low his knowledge is. Not only about that game, about humans and games in general as well.
@Hesoka: Kid you are so full of yourself...it's not even funny. When you unterestimate someone then that person automatically has the advantage. You might say I'm just as arrogant as you are, but that is obviously not true. I use arrogance to attract opponents just like you. Your arrogance on the other hand is the violent type. To be exact the "I only fought pathetic morons to date and think I'm unbeatable"-type.
Let me tell you a little secret. To this day, under fair conditions, selfbuffed 1on1, I am unbeaten in over 5 years on retail servers. So many have been like you and I never lost. What on earth makes you fool think that you are any different? C'mon get infuriated if you want and act like the spoiled brat you are cause that very behaviour will keep you from reaching the top, forever.
BTT: Ofc, the Fairies will be the very top class from the release on and (if played right) will have the biggest overall chances in fightng all other classes. Anyone that already tested them out and got some knowledge of how this game and ofc the servers/lag work knows that it's nothing but the truth. But time will tell. One thing is certain. Sins are not the most powerful class and won't ever be. They have their specialties where they can rule. But overall...nah.
PS: I once hit a full +12, deity sharded sin for over 40k in a single hit with my VIT-sharded barb on Morai. Heck if deity sharded I'd land 2 lucky zc in a row and the sin is dead. On the other hand, I didn't die from him being triple sparked + tangling mire + Sage subsea. THERE IS NO KILLING A BARB IN SOLID SHIELD (especially not with def charms and pots which I mostly refuse to use, simply because they are lame and unneccesary (I bet most people (like that kid sin up there) couldn't even handle using def charms/pots during fight w/o the auto-rec-stone anymore). When do people finally learn.
U sound more arrogant than hesoka to be honest. Isn't Morai like the lowest pvp server? It doesn't sound that surprising that u can't lose on a server with like 0pk. Unless these classes get a tidal like sins I hardly consider them to be OP by their skills. U were talking about arrogance keeping people from the top? U must be in a 100 ft deep pit good luck with that maybe hesoka will throw u a ladder.
I'll admit I'm arrogant to, but I can admit it wholeheartedly which puts me above u at least ^^. I'm a demon veno and I think you would be so so easy to kill
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Joe - Morai wrote: »boom
wtf lol
I quote you and ask a question, this is what I get? xD Who are you, Aeliah or Auerlius?
Fine, if you wanna go full serious lets do that
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This is a perfect example of why I no longer play Perfect World. I write probably 10 words and get an essay. Honestly - people spend more time fighting on here than on the world map.Joe - Morai wrote: »boom
Your post assumes much and is correct about little. Moreover, it is hypocritical. I'm not really that surprised; just disappointed.Joe - Morai wrote: »EQUAL! Plus I guess this is some kind of plague that goes around that stops people from thinking before acting. Not being beat doesn't mean I never got killed. Being beaten means that you lose several consecutive times or the majority of fights out of a couple of fights.
Did I even mention the word "equal" in my post to you? No, I just asked if that video was an exception to your earlier claim that you had never been beaten. Thanks for the lecture, but a simple sentence would have sufficed. Not that I agree with the lecture.
For one, that's not my definition of being beaten. From where I come from, if I die, I lose (that's how it works in life, in case you need a reality check - hah puns). I'm fine with my own definition. It acknowledges my own flaws.
But clearly, you have different ideas. Clearly, you think a majority score is all you need to claim victory. In that case, would you consider the score 11-10 to be an example of beating someone? Maybe.
But 101-100?
100001-100000?
1000000001-1000000000?
As far as definitions go, sure, I guess you beat someone. But I wouldn't be comfortable claiming my own superiority.
I would argue that yes, there are cases when skilled people fight that one person will always win. Take the example of a Master of chess facing off a Grandmaster of chess. The Grandmaster will beat the Master every time - but would you call the Master unskilled? No. Otherwise you wouldn't be calling them a Master.Joe - Morai wrote: »At equal terms when skilled people fight there is no way that one does always win, or rather it's uncommon.
I would have argued that, except you said it's rather uncommon. Well done, Lawyer - Morai.
As I said earlier - you assume much, and are correct on very little. How arrogant are you to assume that anyone not from your version of the game is crazy, egotistic, boastful, pathetic, and immature? Do you leave your country and assume every foreigner is crazy, egotistic, boastful, pathetic, and immature? If anything, that sounds more like yourself. I am not the one interpretting a monologue from a single bear-smileyface.Joe - Morai wrote: »Oh but I guess, the kids are strong in you guys. I bet you guys are the kind of people that would totally go crazy and boast your ego when winning once against an opponent after losing to him dozen times before. You beat an opponent by winning him over more times then he won over you. Anything else is pathic childsgame and so not worth any mature people's time.
That's like asking North Koreans the question "Which Korea is Best Korea?"Joe - Morai wrote: »Most really skilled people I've met agree that retail is the most balanced version of this game you can get.
When did I say retail servers were imbalanced? As I said earlier - you assume much, and are correct on very little.Joe - Morai wrote: »How do I call people that think it's imbalanced? Ah yeah, unable to play.
If anything, I think that the International is extremely balanced. Classes have equal chances against each other, casters have excellent kiting ability with Purify Spell, etcetc. I just dislike the way that so much of the balance relies on luck-based effects (zerks, purifies, % chance to succeed, etc).
So why are you shoving words into my mouth?
Are you hallucinating all of this from a single bear smiley?Joe - Morai wrote: »For example, if a deity Barb stands besides a you (sin) and you know that his dmg is far too much for you to take then I suggest you friggin move. People these days can't play defensively and then go blame the balance for it.
Thank you, Professor Obvious - Morai, PhD.Joe - Morai wrote: »It's called analyzing your opponent, knowing your odds, make the best out of each and every situation and ofc take risks sometimes.
Apology accepted. You can't blame gorillas for throwing shet. They don't know any better.Joe - Morai wrote: »Sorry if it seems like I'm being rude, but seriously. You guys lack that very very basic knowledge and then want me to take you seriously? I just waited for someone to make fun out of retail servers.
Again, as I said before - you assume much and are correct on little. You assume that I have no basic knowledge. You assume that I'm making fun out of retail servers.
For one, I'm the sin who was actually intelligent enough to write a PvP guide - the one currently stickied to Assassin forums, despite the fact that it's probably two years old by now.
Senpai, do I lack basic knowledge? Or do you?
Next time, assume less. You'll have more fun trolling people who are foolish. I highly recommend it - I mean, I'm doing it right now.Joe - Morai wrote: »\I just waited for someone to make fun out of retail servers.
Good advice. More for you than for me.Joe - Morai wrote: »I rather you stop wasting your time on your undeserved ego/arrogance and start thinking instead.Joe - Morai wrote: »The important thing that really stands out here is: "A single loss or a single win doesn't mean anything. If you can't do a thing many times in a row then you can't do it and just had luck."
By your definition, 1000000001-1000000000 means you beat someone (you stated this earlier that a majority = beating someone). And now you mean that a single loss or single win doesn't mean anything?
I'm okay with opinions, but please. At least make your own opinions consistent. Do us all a favor.Joe - Morai wrote: »PS: On the officials I have ALWAYS been in worse gear compared to my opponents. I never've lost to anyone who was equal or lower geared than me. NEVER.
Again. You assume much and are correct on little.
My implication was that you've never lost to anyone who was equal or lower geared to you because of retail server opponents.
I did not say you were a bad barbarian.
I did not say you lost. (I asked if you considered it a loss.)
I did not (initially) insult you.
And this is how you reply.Joe - Morai wrote: »boom
To summarize:
1. You assume everyone shares your definitions.
2. You assume that people not from your homeland are crazy, egotistic, boastful, pathetic, and immature.
3. You assume that I am an incompetent PvPer, despite evidence to the contrary being less than 5 clicks away.
4. You insult me.
5. You openly declare that you're just writing in this thread for a chance to troll someone.
6. You contradict yourself.
Please, take a moment to follow your own advice. You need it more than I do.
</text>Joe - Morai wrote: »I rather you stop wasting your time on your undeserved ego/arrogance and start thinking instead.
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HESOKA - Raging Tide wrote: »You keep dreaming of the day when they nerf sins :P
They dont need to nerf sins. This new class stormbringer will be your doom sins. Ofc that is the person that plays know what is doing.Not saying this new class will be imposible to kill but you sins will struggle more with it then with other casters.0 -
killeresras wrote: »U sound more arrogant than hesoka to be honest. Isn't Morai like the lowest pvp server? It doesn't sound that surprising that u can't lose on a server with like 0pk. Unless these classes get a tidal like sins I hardly consider them to be OP by their skills. U were talking about arrogance keeping people from the top? U must be in a 100 ft deep pit good luck with that maybe hesoka will throw u a ladder.
I'll admit I'm arrogant to, but I can admit it wholeheartedly which puts me above u at least ^^. I'm a demon veno and I think you would be so so easy to kill
Stormbringer
an AA class with a sickle (class restricted).
- most skills can be channeled while moving
- can create self duplicate (pet) Video
- Ranged AOE Reel In skill
- a passive to reduce melee damage taken.
- a self buff that avoids 1 purge
- squad buff lowers damage taken from normal attacks by 20% (lvl 10).
- There are a lot of skills that produce these swirling Ice/Thunder balls around you and other skills that use them. You can have (max?) 3 balls around you and they can be 2 of one kind and 1 of the other.
Is that enough for you? Or are not OP by their skills cause they dont get tidal?0 -
wtf lol
lol
Wow, I'm impressed. Really. But you do the same mistake you said I made xD You write lots but are correct on only a few things but that's natural when your up figuring a person out.
More or less I was talking to Hesoka, not you, but I always like when people get involved a little more then intended.
Compare yourself to hesoka now for just a moment. Watch his reaction and yours. He acts like a spoiled kid and you at least tried to make sense out of it. That alone shows me that you are too >>>>>> above Hesoka and in a completely different league.
What I say/write does not always have to make sense to anyone who might read it. That's ok and intentional. How could a person be able to interpret anything perfectly. They can't and that's ok.
I'm pretty much writing stuff like that to get such reaction, so thank you for this. Thank you for also adding an argument on my side that such people (and judging from your reaction you are very alike to me) are above the average.
What I'm really all about in the end is effort. Effort is the key in anything we do. People that tend to put alot effort in stuff mostly end up being at the top of this particular stuff. You seem to put effort in both the game (guide) and your comments. That's great. I like people like that alot.
I'm not really arrogant, more or less I could be called mean. Like I said before, I use arrogance to provoke certain reaction that already tell me a whole lot about the person I'm dealing with.
Besides that: I'm playing PWI since early 2009. I've been an any (you know what) and tried them all out. I faced hundreds, if not thousands of different opponents with any class possible and at the end of the day I stood victorious. Always. That does not mean I never lost. Ofc you lose if you're trying stuff out or if you are still in the phase of figuring out how your class works. But fights while you are still figuring stuff out are not relevant, are they? Not for me. It's just studying in that case.
Being beat means by my definition that you win over 60% of all fights you have with your opponent with at least 6 consecutive fights (if your enemy forfeits during the fights then you have automatically won). Why I'm up for this definition? Exactly because of the huge luck factor there is.
Another obvious thing I'd like to clear up is: I'm always adjusting to my opponent. The stronger and more skilled my opponents are the better I get + I'm extremely impatient. Why do I play so crappy in some of my vids against sins? Impatience. Why should I wait for tidal to wear off? I don't like that idea plus it would render the fights a total joke. I'm willingly taking the risks of using OI and all the other stuff on tidal cuz otherwise all the fights would have been the friggin same. If a challenge isn't hard enough I add some to it myself. That's called handicap and isn't that unusual I guess. What I hate more then losing? Boring and unchallenging fights.
The put it all into one sentence;
I'm a competitive player that needs to fight stronger and stronger opponents to improve myself.
Heck I wouldn't even mind losing all the time. Why should I? Even if then I certainly know that I will overcome that enemy one day -> that's a goal, that keeps me going. If only I had such an enemy ._.
So, sorry if I've offended anyone. I am not arrogant nor a bad person. But by all means. I will get the answers I'm looking for at all costs. I'm always up for a challenge, too. So if anyone wants to test me and wanna expose me as a pathetic liar (that I might be for some) then they can go ahead and fight me anytime. cheers.My Barb:
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bloodedone87 wrote: »Stormbringer
an AA class with a sickle (class restricted).
- most skills can be channeled while moving
- can create self duplicate (pet) Video
- Ranged AOE Reel In skill
- a passive to reduce melee damage taken.
- a self buff that avoids 1 purge
- squad buff lowers damage taken from normal attacks by 20% (lvl 10).
- There are a lot of skills that produce these swirling Ice/Thunder balls around you and other skills that use them. You can have (max?) 3 balls around you and they can be 2 of one kind and 1 of the other.
Is that enough for you? Or are not OP by their skills cause they dont get tidal?
Hmm let me copy this veno style
An AA class with a pataka
-Most skills have short cd and fast channeling
-Self buff that reduces damage by 30% and reflects 100% of all physical damage back
-a buff that reduces damage by 75% and reflects 200% of all melee damage back.
-self 10sec ig skill.
-0def proc (turns defence to absolutely 0 gl after that)
-a pet that last more than 20sec and if monkey heavy control
Hmm sound op enough to u?
If they can't block 0def and only have a buff that can block 1 purge for a limited time they are no threat to me Love lost is room gained
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Well this got exceptionally derailed and not in a good way. ._.
How about all of you chill out and take it to PM? No, that's not a suggestion or a question.(Insert fancy image here)
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Joe - Morai wrote: »So pretty much anyone that's crying that retail PW is unbalanced actually means: "I cannot properly play my class. I dunno how to kite and defend myself. I always underestimate all other classes and get rekt pretty bad. I blame retail."
Man, stop contradicting yourself. Even HESOKA picked it out.
You can't claim that retail is balanced and then simultaneously say that Barbs have advantage over Sins and are possibly the best 1v1 class. Because that would indicate that it is not balanced.
Also, I doubt you will find a good following for archers being balanced.Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
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Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »
Also, I doubt you will find a good following for archers being balanced.
Its key, we will be nerfed on expansion due new buffs so dont worry, winged brothers will hurt less than they used to!__Sami__ - Archer - 105/103/102 - mypers.pw/1.8/#132088 - Active
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how can you call stormbringer the counter-class of assassins?
do you realize stormbringer out of demon form doesnt have ANY p-def self buff?
any sin popping from stealth will oneshot it!!!
i really want to see stormbringer tank an endgame assassin while trying to deal relevant damage on tidal+full buffs
-snip- is not balanced for pvp. period.
PWCH calibrated the PvP balance upon THEIR own endgame, which is
S+ card sets and their r9r3 sets (for instance: chinese r9r3 weapon http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/36352 )
PWI gave us less attack levels but more attributes, which is wrong, because more attributes add more damage multipliers, while attack levels work differently in sinergy against defense levels
and PWI not only didnt give us S+ sets, they didnt even give us the S sets causing an huge increase in resistances, but not as great increase in base damage, therefore causing a terrible nerf in any debuffed damage, nerf in autoattack damage and giving the extreme edge to any class that can stack amps (f.e. assassins (crit zerk we subsea 230 atk lvls))
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also i dont get the term kite in this game anymore, how do you kite paralyze spam? There is nomore such thing as kiting, not even for stormbringer, you get locked in paralyze you are dead ez pzmypers.pw/1.7/#123510
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XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »how can you call stormbringer the counter-class of assassins?
do you realize stormbringer out of demon form doesnt have ANY p-def self buff?
any sin popping from stealth will oneshot it!!!
i really want to see stormbringer tank an endgame assassin while trying to deal relevant damage on tidal+full buffs
-snip- is not balanced for pvp. period.
PWCH calibrated the PvP balance upon THEIR own endgame, which is
S+ card sets and their r9r3 sets (for instance: chinese r9r3 weapon http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/36352 )
PWI gave us less attack levels but more attributes, which is wrong, because more attributes add more damage multipliers, while attack levels work differently in sinergy against defense levels
and PWI not only didnt give us S+ sets, they didnt even give us the S sets causing an huge increase in resistances, but not as great increase in base damage, therefore causing a terrible nerf in any debuffed damage, nerf in autoattack damage and giving the extreme edge to any class that can stack amps (f.e. assassins (crit zerk we subsea 230 atk lvls))
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also i dont get the term kite in this game anymore, how do you kite paralyze spam? There is nomore such thing as kiting, not even for stormbringer, you get locked in paralyze you are dead ez pz
You said it yourself. any sin popping from stealth will oneshot it!!! Sins they may have to stealth to be able to beat stormbringers. But some revelation potions can cure that.
The big advantage( i think thats how yu spell it) for stormbringers is their ability to cast spells while moving. Sins are melee class. All their attack, except one, are melee attacks. They need to be near target to attack it. Wont be that easy for them to attack a target that doesnt need to stay in one place while casting spells.
I believe and end game stormbringer well played will be able to kill an end game sin.
Not saying that sins will never kill stormbringers. But they will struggle with them more than they do with the other casters.0 -
LOL at that weapon, that would explain why archers aren't getting decent skill updates.
Well really 100 dex from PWI's R93 set is just an additional ~0.7 multiplier added to weapon damage, does not compare. Does PWCN have the reawakening garbage though? Oh wait the expansion was called "Rebirth and whatever" so I am going to assume yes.
That's a pretty huge gap in attack damage if that's the case. Makes you wonder wtf is wrong with PWI.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
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XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »how can you call stormbringer the counter-class of assassins?
do you realize stormbringer out of demon form doesnt have ANY p-def self buff?
any sin popping from stealth will oneshot it!!!
i really want to see stormbringer tank an endgame assassin while trying to deal relevant damage on tidal+full buffs
-snip- is not balanced for pvp. period.
PWCH calibrated the PvP balance upon THEIR own endgame, which is
S+ card sets and their r9r3 sets (for instance: chinese r9r3 weapon http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/36352 )
PWI gave us less attack levels but more attributes, which is wrong, because more attributes add more damage multipliers, while attack levels work differently in sinergy against defense levels
and PWI not only didnt give us S+ sets, they didnt even give us the S sets causing an huge increase in resistances, but not as great increase in base damage, therefore causing a terrible nerf in any debuffed damage, nerf in autoattack damage and giving the extreme edge to any class that can stack amps (f.e. assassins (crit zerk we subsea 230 atk lvls))
-snip-
also i dont get the term kite in this game anymore, how do you kite paralyze spam? There is nomore such thing as kiting, not even for stormbringer, you get locked in paralyze you are dead ez pz
Why stormies will be superior to sins? Simple. Sins do not have paralyze. therefore, as long as the fairy is immune to stuns, aso (be it through pruify spell or with their own spell) a sin cannot stop their movement while the stormy still can hit on the sin all the time.
Besides I will definitly roll garnet gems for my fairy. If you say full buffed vs full buffed then there is a ~50k Pdef fairy (w/o transformation) with a passive + self buff reduce of melee skill dmg of around 46%. Against a 230 Att lvl sin it doesn't matter at all if you have 130 or 60 def lvl. But pdef does matter.
That will be enough for the fairy to at least survive the first elemination and the other skills do not compare to eles dmg which leads me to the conclusion that the fairy will at least be able to take 3-4 hits (more if not any hit's a zc). That is if purify spell doesn't trigger and the fairy can't run away. Sins CD are also far too high. So she just needs to run away for 60 seconds...apply her debuffs, stunlock/paralyze the sin and just **** him away. Surely it will take a while for fairies to get even close to endgame (all those cards/dailies, nuemas and stuff ._.).
The main bonus for the fairies lies not in the class itself, it lies within the server. Nearly anyone has noticed that...if a class kites you and you need to follow up...caster or not, then you have to be a little closer than the range of the skill would normally allow. That is because you need to stand still to cast your skill. The casting of said skills will be interrupted if the enemies runs out of range again while you're casting + it does still rubberband you sometimes while doing so.
So naturally...the stormbringers won't have that issue which I already confirmed while being on CN with way way way more lag than I have here. So...if x melee class hunts after a stormbringer that is constantly moving (mostly at top speed due to purify/HP) then forget it. You can land a lucky whirlwind to stop them, sure, but that is pretty much all. As a sin you won't be able to catch them with your normal teleport as well..simply because they outrun your range while you're porting. The stun ports CD is too high to be reliable.
Basically the fairy needs to survive the first hit from any class. If she can run then you got a big problem. 46% will nearly guarantee that she survives at least the first few hits...now imagine Faith, Expel and all that other funny stuff. Sure they don't have a pdef buff...but with all def passives and stuff...do we need an increase from 86% res to pattack to 91% res...or would it be better to have 86% with an additional 46%? You get the idea.My Barb:
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So any robe with Purify does that right now...doesn't stop melees from locking and attempting a kill. I don't see this as being much more different 1v1 than any other AA. This isn't anything new, 2 archers can take forever to take down a tanky, mobile robe like veno because it's impossible to pin her down.
The big difference would be group PvP.
Not sure how the self buff stacks up with pdef buff, but if it's 46% of damage further reduced after pdef buff's resistance it comes out to be just a little more than 91% resistance.
1 - 0.14 * 0.54 = ~92%Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Alot of people are missing the whole point of the stormbringer, it's mobility. Let's not forget that this class has its on Cc, it would be nothing for me to kite the sin shooting off that stunning spell until I get lucky to get through tidal, or it wears off. Yes the Stormie is super duper weak out of demon form, but I most definitely won't waste transforming on a sin until I can get far enough to stun him, transform and continue my onslaught until he dies.I love chicken wings and french fries! Yasssb:chuckle0
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »So any robe with Purify does that right now...doesn't stop melees from locking and attempting a kill. I don't see this as being much more different 1v1 than any other AA. This isn't anything new, 2 archers can take forever to take down a tanky, mobile robe like veno because it's impossible to pin her down.
The big difference would be group PvP.
Not sure how the self buff stacks up with pdef buff, but if it's 46% of damage further reduced after pdef buff's resistance it comes out to be just a little more than 91% resistance.
1 - 0.14 * 0.54 = ~92%
Not any robe. All other robes have the exact same issue as melee classes. If they run from something and want to attack then it's highly dependend on ping and server lag as to when the attack finally launches. That can go from half a second to over 2 seconds til the attack even begins. Fairies do not have that issue at all.
Doesn't sound like much at first, but in very endgame this will matter alot.
PS: I do think that the buffs/passive cut the base hit dmg that would be encountered by 46% and is not calculated into the basic dmg formula cause seriously...otherwise it would be useless.My Barb:
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What's your source on this information? I doubt China has S+ cards. They aren't in any pack, aren't from any quest, and aren't in the boutique. China has very few people at real endgame and their top TW guilds are mostly populated by R8r and G15 Nirv + Warsoul. Also no Jones blessing. Their cards are the same as here.XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »PWCH calibrated the PvP balance upon THEIR own endgame, which is
S+ card sets
Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »LOL at that weapon, that would explain why archers aren't getting decent skill updates.
Our R9rr set is more damage as a whole due to the +100 stat bonus but china gets the better R9rr weapons. The dagger is more impressive than the bow relative to our version since it gains a -.1 interval http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/36354
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