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I would hardly call this the death of the archer class. Even with a 20% reduction, they still hit hard. If nothing else this will encourage them to further utilize those other skills they have that hit even harder.
... archers have absurdly low damage output on anyone at endgame, and our skills are even worse.
Please learn how things actually work at endgame before making these sorts of comments, k? k.Current: http://mypers.pw/1.8/#133167
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I would hardly call this the death of the archer class. Even with a 20% reduction, they still hit hard. If nothing else this will encourage them to further utilize those other skills they have that hit even harder.
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Well sorry for trying to give you archers more credit than is apparently due. I've not played an archer in ultra end game gear (like Jarkhen) so no I guess it's not right for me to comment on this. However, my experiences all come from the receiving end of the arrow. I still strongly doubt that it will entirely remove the importance of the archer class.0
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I would hardly call this the death of the archer class. Even with a 20% reduction, they still hit hard. If nothing else this will encourage them to further utilize those other skills they have that hit even harder.
I can almost guarantee that 20% will be negligible in the grand scheme of things.But a buff is a buff nonetheless. I highly doubt any good fully geared archers will have any real problems dropping squishes left and right especially if they are out of position in mass PvP.0 -
Moon fairy channeling while moving skill looks kinda fun. It makes kiting in caster easier, also means using combo skill will be probably difficult since the constant clicking needed to kite.
Anyone who have tried the moon fairy can give some insight about it?Heaven Tear
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Liveena - Heavens Tear wrote: »Moon fairy channeling while moving skill looks kinda fun. It makes kiting in caster easier, also means using combo skill will be probably difficult since the constant clicking needed to kite.
Anyone who have tried the moon fairy can give some insight about it?
Well if you have played any other MMO that allows you to move and cast with hot keys at the same time, it actually might not be to bad. For those who are used to simple point and click I think it might be a nightmareb:chuckle.0 -
Kiymori - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well if you have played any other MMO that allows you to move and cast with hot keys at the same time, it actually might not be to bad. For those who are used to simple point and click I think it might be a nightmareb:chuckle.
Finally, I can put to good use a few games' annoying targeting system that makes you move non stop and splash a skill in between relocations lol. I'm not a fan of it, but since pwi is limited with what it can implement given what it currently has, I think it'll be pretty good and not that big of a turn off.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kiymori - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well if you have played any other MMO that allows you to move and cast with hot keys at the same time, it actually might not be to bad. For those who are used to simple point and click I think it might be a nightmareb:chuckle.
To be fair, the point-and-click people have been at a disadvantage anyway... it'd just be a lot more pronounced with move-and-attack mechanics.Current: http://mypers.pw/1.8/#133167
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Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »To be fair, the point-and-click people have been at a disadvantage anyway... it'd just be a lot more pronounced with move-and-attack mechanics.
I don't have a high level archer nor a purge weapon, but I have been wondering, being able to purge someone with long range attacks isn't enough to remove that new anti-archer buff?
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Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »I don't have a high level archer nor a purge weapon, but I have been wondering, being able to purge someone with long range attacks isn't enough to remove that new anti-archer buff?
I have almost no experience in PvP, so I am not aware of how frequent is SB's proc.
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Will R8R lose its current stats and regenerate random stats after upgraded to R8R Recast or it'll be upgraded with current stats but with higher numbers ?0
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Not sure if its been asked/revealed, but while we know the base stats and possible rolled stats will be stronger, will the set bonuses for R8r2 be different/boosted as well?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Remember: OP may be a duck|OP/GMs/Devs may not deliver|Search function is your friend|Lurk more|Be wary of Mods: they can't be trusted|This place isn't a hugbox|Your tears sustain me|Know what Bait is|"Soon" may never come|Postcount, Dubs, and other GETs are important|Don't revive long dead threads|There is a section for everything|You can be banned for anything|No Fun Allowed outside of OT|Sweetiebot rules OT|"Circlejerks" are inevitable|Threads can be derailed and saved|Those who use"XD" should off themselves at their earliest convenience|0
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I hope it'll be boosted only and keep the current stats, if it's rerolled for 2nd recasting, that'd be infuriating b:angry0
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Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »Not sure if its been asked/revealed, but while we know the base stats and possible rolled stats will be stronger, will the set bonuses for R8r2 be different/boosted as well?
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Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »I don't have a high level archer nor a purge weapon, but I have been wondering, being able to purge someone with long range attacks isn't enough to remove that new anti-archer buff?
I have almost no experience in PvP, so I am not aware of how frequent is SB's proc.
SB proc is somewhere around 7.5%. We don't have exact numbers, but testing has given us an estimate around there.Current: http://mypers.pw/1.8/#133167
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Now I know most people are worried about PvP aspects of these new buffs, but in PvE do mob's attacks count as normal attacks(atleast for archer and melee mobs)? Will these new buffs lower our damage taken from mobs?0
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R8rr has a different pool of stats than R8r, it's impossible to keep them.Will R8R lose its current stats and regenerate random stats after upgraded to R8R Recast or it'll be upgraded with current stats but with higher numbers ?
I checked and the R8rr set bonuses are exactly the same as the set bonuses for R8r.Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »Not sure if its been asked/revealed, but while we know the base stats and possible rolled stats will be stronger, will the set bonuses for R8r2 be different/boosted as well?
AA: HP+1200 Crit+4% AttLev+15
LA: HP+1300 Int-.1 AttLev+15
HA: HP+1500 Crit+4% AttLev+15
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
R8rr has a different pool of stats than R8r, it's impossible to keep them.
I checked and the R8rr set bonuses are exactly the same as the set bonuses for R8r.
AA: HP+1200 Crit+4% AttLev+15
LA: HP+1300 Int-.1 AttLev+15
HA: HP+1500 Crit+4% AttLev+15
Well that's boring...It is said that apple pie is best served Al La Mode, so if you are the pie, consider me your ice cream.0 -
Isn't the Comparison of R8rr vs R8r you posted has same pool of stats ? only the numbers are boosted a bit.Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
R8rr has a different pool of stats than R8r, it's impossible to keep them.
That would **** a lot of people who spent lots of damascene for rerolling. Is rerolling stats on R8RR still using Damascene Ore, or the new mat from the new instance ?0 -
Anyone else super bored by the upcoming expansion so far?
No new gears to add/complete, no new Cards
(maybe with new Add ons like - chan or + Spirit on a Destroyer Card etc.)
no new Primal quests/passives/land.
New low level exp dungeon for low levels only, new gears for low levels only.
New dungeon that is already going to be pointless for us on PWI :
r8rr which is terrible for us where g16 beats it, same goes for pointless morai upgrade.
New ws recast is simply a boring maxed out current WS recast.
No new skills or fusion skills, no skill updates, no new animations.
So basically all i see is 2 new classes and thats absolutely everything for us normal players that already have a level 100 Char?0 -
Maxxxson - Dreamweaver wrote: »Anyone else super bored by the upcoming expansion so far?
No new gears to add/complete, no new Cards
(maybe with new Add ons like - chan or + Spirit on a Destroyer Card etc.)
no new Primal quests/passives/land.
New low level exp dungeon for low levels only, new gears for low levels only.
New dungeon that is already going to be pointless for us on PWI :
r8rr which is terrible for us where g16 beats it, same goes for pointless morai upgrade.
New ws recast is simply a boring maxed out current WS recast.
No new skills or fusion skills, no skill updates, no new animations.
So basically all i see is 2 new classes and thats absolutely everything for us normal players that already have a level 100 Char?
I welcome instances and stuff that lowbies can enjoy. I really like they did something to the lower quests and, apparently, they also revamped BHs for lvl 80s and 90s (unconfirmed for now).
It's true that the gear upgrades seem unimpressive for us, since we have our exclusive 3rd cast nirvana, but for China it's a really nice update.
Also, the Morai gear upgrade I find exciting, the set is really good for pve and a lot cheaper, I'm planing to get it for my alts on different accounts when and if I get them to 100. Having had and tested both sets armor wise, I find it really close to my nirvana 3rd cast (didn't get the weapon).
It is true that we aren't getting all the stuff they hyped about and I am also disappointed that the skill graphical changes and overhaul for older classes/maps isn't happening, but it's a decent expansion. They did make 2 new areas that I'm pleased about, the starter one and the new race town, those look nice.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Maxxxson - Dreamweaver wrote: »Anyone else super bored by the upcoming expansion so far?
No new gears to add/complete, no new Cards
(maybe with new Add ons like - chan or + Spirit on a Destroyer Card etc.)
no new Primal quests/passives/land.
New low level exp dungeon for low levels only, new gears for low levels only.
New dungeon that is already going to be pointless for us on PWI :
r8rr which is terrible for us where g16 beats it, same goes for pointless morai upgrade.
New ws recast is simply a boring maxed out current WS recast.
No new skills or fusion skills, no skill updates, no new animations.
So basically all i see is 2 new classes and thats absolutely everything for us normal players that already have a level 100 Char?
Umm... are you serious? Last 3 upgrades were for endgame players and with hypers gone in FC there is no other way to level fast other than doing dailies so we can catch hypered players. Note that China never had hypers in FC, we had, and now they give us an opportunity to level faster than before.
And new classes are always exciting.
You talk like low level players are unimportant or something
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i am still hoping there is a class balance upcomming either in this expansion or shortly after. They are saying they now have the tech to move and cast, either make that for all classes or give an update to the classes that need it already, for instance make archers how they should be aka no aps and revamp wizzys. Otherwise as currently i am a bit disappointed as well.░░░░███████]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
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Isn't the Comparison of R8rr vs R8r you posted has same pool of stats ? only the numbers are boosted a bit.
Addons from the game's perspective are stored as an effect plus some values. Since these have different min/max values, they are stored in the game as different addons.Current: http://mypers.pw/1.8/#133167
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Mahidevran - Archosaur wrote: »Umm... are you serious? Last 3 upgrades were for endgame players and with hypers gone in FC there is no other way to level fast other than doing dailies so we can catch hypered players. Note that China never had hypers in FC, we had, and now they give us an opportunity to level faster than before.
And new classes are always exciting.
You talk like low level players are unimportant or something
Well there is a lot of things that give exp to low levels already that they barely use or know about. Which all gives massive Exp*
(eg : PV , Cube, GV aka Rebirth Alpha/Beta/Gamma, BH's, Meditation, Questing and more)
So low levels for certain are important, but that to me is simply a short temporary state of the game.(at least for people that have time to play regularly)
New Classes are cool and all, but if you have a main that you put a lot of effort into, then new classes are simply a sidefocus for a short time until its all the same.
I was hoping for at least an Instance that allows us to Farm either C cards for leveling our Cards.
Or maybe an instance to farm flowsilver coins (without a stupid Daily restriction) or anything at all that goes above *daily*.
But as it stands now , i think this is the first time that they aren't introducing anything new to farm or do at all. (besides the new Classes ofc)0 -
I suppose they wanted to focus on the new classes only and if there isn't anything new for the existing classes, then people will be even more inclined to try out said new classes because that's where all the new stuff is at.
I do like the fact that they are updating quests and the new instance has a baby version for farming low level gear. It might be interesting. We've had enough "high level" updates for a while.
The instance will also be something nice to do for those that have R8r gear and would like to upgrade it or at least their R8rr weapon(s). It's also probably something good for PWCN in general and Wanmei's priority is their version of PW so....
We'll probably be missing our version of R9rr for the new classes when we get the update just like it happened with the Earthguards. I might be mistaken but I remember Asterelle saying that there's no PWI-R9rr in the client so far.
Overall I kinda agree that it kinda sucks not having something new for the old classes because even though I want to try out the Moon Fairy (and probably the LA one too) I really won't play beyond level 100. I might RB so I have another FSP alt but yeah.. I'm sticking to my main. Not only because of all the time/effort put into it but also because it's still my favourite class b:laugh and I'm just too lazy to work on another alt. I've already abandoned every character I have except for a Cleric which I use for TWs and stuff.
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edit: looked back and found some of the info, the r8rr doesnt seem very interesting? is it even higher grade? any screenies? sin/archer wrist bonus pool?0
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Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »edit: looked back and found some of the info, the r8rr doesnt seem very interesting? is it even higher grade? any screenies? sin/archer wrist bonus pool?
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Looks like 1-5 star Dragon orbs are going to be in the nw forges. Great news for the refining challenged such as myself. b:laugh0
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Here's a gallery of some of the r8rr setsMosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »edit: looked back and found some of the info, the r8rr doesnt seem very interesting? is it even higher grade? any screenies? sin/archer wrist bonus pool?
Again the gist is:
-same set bonus
-no new weapon effects
-higher base stats
-higher refine bonus
-random stats are the same but higher values
Also Mel has a full Moon Fairy squad run of the new instance
Moon Fairies look like they are playing a different game...
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