Status of Unannounced Changes: Intended or Not?

I believe PWI should revert frost to a farming instance again so others can farm and make frost gear to decompose into exp for leveling with the Martial Arts Master NPC if they wish. I don't like power leveling. It encourages new and older players to skip entire aspects of the game which is designed to help people become proficient at playing their chars. What good is a game having so much content when it is modified so that the average player skips it all?

I often wonder if those of us who have been around since before packs and even the tideborne expansion outnumber those who came, power leveled, got bored and left. That turnover rate must be pretty high. I know an overwhelming number of toons on my server is an alt of the original player base so I'm talking of new players after packs and power leveling. Ever since the original devs left PWE for whatever reason and the game changed from level by quest advancement to getting to end game by packs and hyper the quality of game play amongst the player base plummeted for obviously reasons. I've read and heard rumors that the original devs who designed the game were coming back quite awhile ago and haven't paid any attention to that but if they are currently involved in game development (and I have no clue if that is true or not) then it would make sense to me that they would be motivated in getting the game back on track to be what it was originally designed to be.

PV leveling is level restricted as it should be. HH (TT) instance and its various sub instances are level restricted as it should be. Frost is a level restricted instance for the party leader and opener but not for any other squad members and has been exploited for years.

As for the earning time. I have to say from a personal position that I botted nearly non stop from last Christmas until last week. All of the sudden I started doing something called a quest and a BH again. To say that it won't get people to do other things is silly. PWI didn't call their botting system "Bot system." They called it auto cultivation. We can mince words and inferences on the meaning of cultivation but to me it means character advancement. There are quests which require a high number of mobs to complete and it is refreshing to essentially complete them using a target and kill macro using skill macros. But the law of unintended consequences led to a complete exploitation of the system to a point where others weren't even able to complete daily quests on PVE servers. I think this was more of an issue than the in game coin bonanza. Not only that but for the exception of catshop vending and the realm of reflection I was always under the impression that it was a violation of the TOS to AFK grind and farm mobs and plants. Now we understand why that is a problem.

I don't have a problem with these changes other than the fact that both were unannounced and left up to the player base to go WTF is this sh*t about when they encountered them. That was very rude way of implementing them.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

There are quests which require a high number of mobs to complete and it is refreshing to essentially complete them using a target and kill macro using skill macros. But the law of unintended consequences led to a complete exploitation of the system to a point where others weren't even able to complete daily quests on PVE servers. I

Woah Whoa wait a second here. Am I to believe that I can only play for 8 hours because high level quests have too many mobs????????
Too many mobs---->auto-culti

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>abuse auto-culti

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>8 hr earning time?????
What kind of logic is that???????? Reduce the mobs and remove auto culti. duh.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Nope. Keep it the way it is now. Duh. It doesn't take 8 hours to kill 90 mobs in a quest.
I think if people want to play the game they need to actually be sitting in front of their pixels and play the freaking game.


Don't play a lazy game. Learn to play a better one.

Perhaps you should have read my post before. No it doesn't take 8 hrs to kill 90 mobs. But I kill mobs 8 hrs. + a day MANUALLY. AT MY KEYBOARD. You know, mobs my level to get drops and mats? I don't care if there's no auto culti. It was nice, but no other mmorpg has it and for good reason. I'll adapt. I'm fine with that. But breaking the games playability with an 8hr timer because it's there is absurd. Don't care about hypers and all that ****, playing for 8hrs + I have to cram gazillions of exp into genies, and besides leveling is what an mmmorpg is all about. Which requires time. Which is now broken.

bonzaitreekiller wrote: »

Perhaps you should have read my post before. No it doesn't take 8 hrs to kill 90 mobs. But I kill mobs 8 hrs. + a day MANUALLY. AT MY KEYBOARD. You know, mobs my level to get drops and mats? I don't care if there's no auto culti. It was nice, but no other mmorpg has it and for good reason. I'll adapt. I'm fine with that. But breaking the games playability with an 8hr timer because it's there is absurd. Don't care about hypers and all that ****, playing for 8hrs + I have to cram gazillions of exp into genies, and besides leveling is what an mmmorpg is all about. Which requires time. Which is now broken.

The game is not all about you. I cannot count on one hand how many players do nothing but manaully grind mobs all day, every day non stop. Since no 2 players have the exact gameplay style any change is going to disenfranchise someone. It's about finding a balance when adding new features. Whatever that is is going to be at the expense of someone. Personally I feel there is more advantages to the auto culti than disadvantages so I say keep it.

Manage your time.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

The game is not all about you. I cannot count on one hand how many players do nothing but manaully grind mobs all day, every day non stop. Since no 2 players have the exact gameplay style any change is going to disenfranchise someone. It's about finding a balance when adding new features. Whatever that is is going to be at the expense of someone. Personally I feel there is more advantages to the auto culti than disadvantages so I say keep it.

Manage your time.

Of course you do, you're one of the lazy people you were talking about. Botting for exp???? And I have to pay for it. Nice.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Funny. I play the same game as you do but in my own way with the changes and limitations you and everyone else has too.

Except that because of the way you play the game, legitimate players have to suffer. This is a recent development. Balance should be in favor of people who play the game, not in favor of the botters like yourself.

Perhaps it should be noted:

The game is not all about you......

If botting is a problem, its not solved by inducing another one that makes all players suffer, including people who are NOT botting.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

We can already do this. I covered it in my Sticky thread over in the Tech forum.

But I dun like tweaking codes cause you gotta do it again if the company side touches something

bonzaitreekiller wrote: »

Oh, I see...because you have carpal tunnel nobody is allowed to play for more than 8 hours..... As for "making people happy" again, I don't really give a **** about all the little things. An 8hr time limit BREAKS THE GAME for ANYONE including NON BOTTERS after 8 hours. And for what purpose? So people can bot? If you can't play that's not the problem of people that can and they shouldn't have to suffer. This isn't about "satisfying" people. It's about not BREAKING THE GAME because they BROKE IT EARLIER with a bot system.

Now you're getting stupid. By the way, even when I do run out of earning time I still quest and get credit for that. I leveled more than 10 times completing quests for the rebirth II. So claiming that the 8 hour earning time prevents gameplay is quite BS.

As I stated before I can't think of anyone I know who sits at a keyboard and does nothing but grind mobs manually for 8 hours a day. What you claim to do is an extreme minority here.

* Making edits After I quote and reply. How presidential.

There are many people here who will tell you that the game was broken long before the bot system was in place.

Packs broke the game
Frost broke the game
BH broke the game
Tideborn class broke the game
Goon glitch broke the game
Removing coin value from DQ below level 80 broke the game
DQ point system page glitch broke the game
R9RRR broke the game
NW broke the game
Now Botting broke the game

I can go on and on. Changes are going to make some happy and some mad but we still all play the same game with the same limitations. If it makes you unhappy then that's really your problem and not mine. I'm adapting to them.

sparkiesoft wrote: »

As I said, I'm still trying to find out all the correct information. I'm just going off of what I've heard internally, not from China.

With that being said, the Hyper issue seems like a Sync error. Generally, the way it works now was supposed to be how it always worked, but because we usually get broken patches from China, somehow FC allowed Hypers when it was never intended to. We kept it, because most players wanted it, however it looks like they may have sent us another patch with this issue broken once again. That means it will more than likely be reverted, but we don't know exactly when, because we have to wait for a fix from China.

As for the limit on botting, that is intended as well. We never received it in the patch notes, nor were we made aware of the changes until well after, which is why you didn't see the change posted. I've already mentioned it to my PM, and he's going to talk to the developers when he can. For now though, the only information I have to go on is that it's an intended change.

just proves to me no one even tests the patches but tries them out on the players to see what flies and what doesn't, and in this case IT DOES NOT FLY, like normal.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Packs broke the game
Frost broke the game
BH broke the game
Tideborn class broke the game
Goon glitch broke the game
Removing coin value from DQ below level 80 broke the game
DQ point system page glitch broke the game
R9RRR broke the game
NW broke the game
Now Botting broke the game

I can go on and on. Changes are going to make some happy and some mad but we still all play the same game with the same limitations. If it makes you unhappy then that's really your problem and not mine. I'm adapting to them.

If you can't tell the difference between the above items and getting no exp,spririt,coin, and drops after 8 hours then i feel sorry for you

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

And if you can't see that any change in the game is going to make some happy and others not then that's your problem. Some will adapt while others will just QQ. Even if they remove auto culti completely people will bot. Earning time was implemented in the chinese version long before ours so it was just a matter of time before they brought it here. That's not about you or me or anyone else. It's about how PWE decided to deal with the issue.

I'm still waiting to see how cramming ARC down our throats is supposed to destroy the game. How many threads of QQ did that make? Oh and discontinuing the DQ point system caused a lot of people to lose out. And some believe they did that because of the impending botting system.

You want to get all mad at me for using a feature of the game to its limits then that's on you. Not me. If you want to feel punished by it instead of figuring something else out then that's your problem. Not mine or anyone elses. Deal with it.

lol spoken like a true botter

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Your opinion which mean nothing to me

and yours to no one else. Who cares what a botter thinks?
812 posts and all your friends are coming to your defense I see....
Oh, wait.....

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

About as much as what a QQer thinks about someone else playing the game the way the game allows them too. We've all heard this kind of whining from an extreme minority before.

And I need someone coming to my defense? ROTFL.

Deal with it or GTFO

lol yeah gotta hate those minorities right?
Yeah now we see your stripes. Now I see why you can't see that forcing restrictions on someone so YOU can do something isn't right.
You have a nice day. Peace out.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

And you want an extreme minority to dictate the progress of everyone one else in the game. We've all seen your types too.

I see all the inuendo in your ad hominem attack but I'm going to be above all that and stay game related.

OK, well then in that case.....
Earning time is subjected to the Majority by a minority of users. It unfairly restricts the play of a minority that plays 8hrs+ and whether or not the majority feel the effects, they are restricted as well. Can't do it, not even that "once".

So really, it's the minority ABUSERS of the system forcing their way on the Majority of players. My sub culture just feels it the most.

BTW you're the one that made me into a "group"

My point is simply this:
Botting is wrong, we all know it, but hey, it's allowed
Botters have become a problem
Restrictions on botters are necessary
Restrictons on every else are not necessary
The 8hr restriction on botting: That's a right and just decision
8hr restriction on everyone? That is not. And not necessary.
Yes. I'm one person that plays 8hr+. It shouldn't matter how many of me there are that feel it. Everyone has been subjected to it for a problem restricted to botting.

bonzaitreekiller wrote: »

OK, well then in that case.....
Earning time is subjected to the Majority by a minority of users. It unfairly restricts the play of a minority that plays 8hrs+ and whether or not the majority feel the effects, they are restricted as well. Can't do it, not even that "once".

So really, it's the minority ABUSERS of the system forcing their way on the Majority of players. My sub culture just feels it the most.

BTW you're the one that made me into a "group"

My point is simply this:
Botting is wrong, we all know it, but hey, it's allowed
Botters have become a problem
Restrictions on botters are necessary
Restrictons on every else are not necessary
The 8hr restriction on botting: That's a right and just decision
8hr restriction on everyone? That is not. And not necessary.
Yes. I'm one person that plays 8hr+. It shouldn't matter how many of me there are that feel it. Everyone has been subjected to it for a problem restricted to botting.

Funny but I haven't heard of a single person on my server who is suffering from your perceived problem. Why? because nobody plays the way you claim to be playing here. The only thing that has changed is that people aren't botting 24/7 here anymore. ANd those who do bot aren't botting on their main characters. They bot on an alt. If you want to earn coin then create another char for another 8 hours. Mats and coin can be traded. There's way to many ways to get exp even after the 8 hour limit.

You want to QQ about me using a feature of the game restricting you but then you want to impose restrictions on me so you can do what you want. How hypocritical.