We've had enough!

Everything that doesnt benefit Joe has to leave the game. Simple.

Botting should never have been implemented really. But I dont think the majority of people will want to have a way of making effortless money removed though- no matter how devalued coins get.

I think the other big downside of botting that I dont think gets mentioned is that there is less "real" activity now. People can just come on for an hour- do their dailys- set up bot and finish for the day. Whereas before they might have had to play for a couple of hours instead to make some money.

So its a real worry when i hear about a cs item that completes your dailys for you! b:shocked

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Hello fellow PWI-players,

we've had enough.

It's time to remove the dang botting system entirely from our game or make it so that you can only kill mobs for EXP while being unable to pick up stuff. And limit it to 2 hours each day max.

How to remove it entirely? Easy. Remove the shortcut in the system bar and disable the Hotkey as well. To avoid some nasty "cheaters" that will most likely find a way around it...well make the max botting time 0 as well without an option to change that.

Can't you see that the botting system is destroying out economy even more? That needs to stop. This botting **** only brings problems and makes literally all other farming ingame useless.

BTW: Reducing the value of the last remaining full-priced DQ items would be a stupid idea. They could still bot for coins, pots and other materials. They wouldn't be making such huge income...but still too much. So don't just reduce the value of DQs ._.

Like really...there can't be anyone disagreeing with me cept lazy ppl that want everything handed to them on a silver plate and no. I'm away for work 11 hours a day as well. Still the botting system sucks and destroys the game.

Bots, Bots, Bots everwhere. I'm so sick of it.

Mr. OP, I come in the name of the ones who don't give a **** to present you our opinions! Let's see, you want to remove the auto-culti feature from the game, when more than 50% of the bots you see are not the legal bots, but illegal and way more effective than the legal one. We're talking about bots that pick items, drink potions (both mana and health), have side macros, as defensive macros that only activate when it's needed (cleric's heal, for example) and when they die, they automaticaly go back to the city, sell all items automaticaly and return to their boting area to continue the process... (There is no counter for that, there is nothing you can actually do to stop them). So please tell me how is that your amazing idea to remove the auto-culti feature will solve the problem? Yep, there will still be 50%+ people boting ilegaly and the one's who will be cuted off from the auto-culti system will also start using the ilegal bot system, providing them even more gold...

It will work when PWI decides to do something about the report system of theirs.

Have a nice day, cheers!

What is the main problem for you ?
The fact that anyone can sporadically bot in an easy way or the fact that some people use 10+ more bots all day long ?

I'm pretty sure the second category are people that don't use autocultivation but third party bots. So now that auto-culti is implemented (and this is implemented as well in other PWE games) I think that the first thing that should be done is dealing with illegal bots.
As long as you have illegal bots I think that auto culti is not an important topic.
If ever PWE finally decide to enforce their own rules, then maybe we will be able to really talk about autoculti.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Take all quest out and take mobs out just keep mobs in instances

And we would have an excelent huge map to do what? PvP and landscaping? LoL
I mean, I do agree that we should have more instances, but not to avail a map as big as PWI's it's an huge mistake, so what I have to say is:
PWI enables the boting system only inside instances that have a controled respawn and controled money/item drop rates. It would reduce normal map's lag and people could continue their "awesome" quests completion --' without crying that hard.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

BTW: Reducing the value of the last remaining full-priced DQ items would be a stupid idea. They could still bot for coins, pots and other materials. They wouldn't be making such huge income...but still too much. So don't just reduce the value of DQs ._.

Not really. If you kill the DQ items you slash bot income by as much as 90% - and that will make doing daily Jolly Jones more profitable then 12 hours of botting...

But there's this thing about genies and bottles Joe. If Autocultivation is crippled so that people can't get it to do what they want it to do, but you have 2 to 10 bot characters made (just grabbing some random numbers from what I've heared in game) then the temptation to grab a custom bot becomes very strong. And we all know that the GMs won't do a damn thing about those. So your suggestion to kill autoculti but leave the lure to bot (the DQ item cash returns) in place, won't solve the problem you are trying to address.

The fact of the matter is, there is never 1 spot where 3 or 4 mobs spawn that can be auto-botted permanently, and the botting is not the problem. If the botting system is removed, like others said, 3rd party bots will be used, as they are already used. The problem with the economy is not the botting system. It is the fact that people get greedy, and quite frankly the real problem lies with our real life economy. Are you going to step into your grocery store and complain to your grocer that the bread price is too high, so they should remove the bread-maker devices they sell inside?

When i started playing this game in 2010, i used to get 510 zen for R50. My currency is ZAR so it was alot of money already. Now its 289 for R50. And its less money now. In 2010 i could buy a bread, a litre milk, a pack of crisps, and even a can of soda with R50. Now i can buy a bread and milk.

They already took out the price for any DQ items under lvl81 when they implemented the Bounty order quests from Jolly Jones, and then changed those quest so that you can only receive 7 orders a day per account, and only do 7 orders per character a day.

Back then it was QQ from lvl81+ people cause they couldnt do it themselves and the Jolly quests where ruining the market.

This is a virtual game that does not require you to spend your cash. I know from experience that without doing so you will have a hard "PWI-life" but hard work has always given extreme satisfaction. The economy has risen and fallen many times, and it will keep doing so until it eventually dies. Using the features in the game you don't like as reasons are not fair and quite simply put, childish.

If you feel that you do not have enough time to keep up with the market, quit. People come and go daily and they get forgotten just as fast.

PWI will not change their game, and lose thousands or even hundreds of thousands of players just because of a handful who is upset.

I am a caster, who has two children and simply cant afford to give my children a lavish life, nevermind spend money on this game. So unfortunately i cannot bot like others do to farm, i do it myself manually, and i use the auto-cultivation system to easily complete a quest when my hands are full with my children. When i go sleep or afk i go to reflections.

No, i am not one of those lazy people who wish to enjoy easy coin, i simply do not have the resources to do so, however, i simply see this entire thread as an excuse for those who, like me, do not have the resources to over-use it, to put those who can at a disadvantage due to jealousy or hatred or plain envy.

So roll up your sleeves and get down and dirty, or go play a game like tetris or pac-man. If you cannot handle changes and disadvantages you are not made for MMORPGs

heero200 wrote: »

There are about 4 threads on this now!

Im working on a small report to give to the GMs / CM / MODs regarding this issue. It would really be helpful if these where to be in one thread so i can do my summery a lot easier and only in one place. I feel this is an issue that goes over the simple "Ill log this" so this may take a while for me to Finnish. When I Finnish it will be posted to the below thread.

Link Here

Please put all comments, arguments and suggestions into the above thread for now.

Thanks,

As Above,

Thanks,

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Threads are only as good as their respective titles and reducing the bot time to 1 hour alone is simply BS, so i won't be supporting a **** titled thread. My title leaves things kinda open. I prefer that^^

And what's wrong with you guys? I checked the map regularly before the auto-culti system was introduced and yes. there have been bots...but da hell? Those havn't been even close to a half % of what we see today.

Remove the auto-culti feature and ban anyone even looking close to a bot with no mercy. Permanently w/o a chance of recovery. Besides it would be a childsplay to see whos a illigal botter when botting in general would be illigal again.

Note: 3rd party bots have gained in popularity cuz ppl think they can guise themselves as normal bots and that no casual player can make out the difference. That is the only reason.

To say that there have been Bots to even close the number we have now before this mess is simply a lie.

Removing auto cultivation bot will just invite people to switch to third party bots, simply because a bot got introduced here and they have gotten a taste of it.

Ban anyone without mercy? Where do you think we are, a game where they give a flying balls about it? When was the last time you saw a lot of people getting banned for abusing, botting, whatnot?

It's not going to change the way you want it to change. Deal with it.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Threads are only as good as their respective titles and reducing the bot time to 1 hour alone is simply BS, so i won't be supporting a **** titled thread. My title leaves things kinda open. I prefer that^^

And what's wrong with you guys? I checked the map regularly before the auto-culti system was introduced and yes. there have been bots...but da hell? Those havn't been even close to a half % of what we see today.

Remove the auto-culti feature and ban anyone even looking close to a bot with no mercy. Permanently w/o a chance of recovery. Besides it would be a childsplay to see whos a illigal botter when botting in general would be illigal again.

Note: 3rd party bots have gained in popularity cuz ppl think they can guise themselves as normal bots and that no casual player can make out the difference. That is the only reason.

To say that there have been Bots to even close the number we have now before this mess is simply a lie.

My thread title is not **** there is a reason why I came up with that title. If you think hard enough you may know why. If you do not get it well maybe I can give you a clue. Also I even posted proof that auto cultivation is hurting the economy in PVE servers mostly and PVP servers are not as heavily affected. PVP were the most expensive servers and now they the most cheapest.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1. As long as enough people throw their creditcard at their monitors for PWI, they won't care.

2. If not enough people throw their creditcard at their monitors for PWI, they won't care either, they can shut down whenever they want.

3. This game has been in a decline for a long time, and it's starting to decline faster and faster, also due to stupid decisions and i'm not talking about the auto-cultivation part where PWE has no control over, that has to be settled with China.
Besides that, it's next to impossible for new players to obtain anything because of too many players having a god complex, or simply telling them (on the forums) to not bother and just move away.

Unless they manage to go through drastic changes on decisions they make, and China actually gives the west what they want, you won't see anything change.

Neither of the 2 are likely to happen, PWE might as well set up pwi for a final blow to the head and move on to making another game they licensed to be their flagship, TBH I think other games they have, have a lot more players than PWI currently.

Hi there krazyeyes b:laugh
This is not something we just want. This is time bomb that is blowing up if pwi does not do something we arer gonna end up like santuary
http://gyazo.com/dca576efd62693f34157dbfb0dc0e7af

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You have a problem with leveling off it too? Many people already missed out on the goonz glitch, at least let them have some exp off it.

The exp gained with dragoons before your gear needed repairs would take years to gain it by botting b:sweat

There is always bots in MMORPG's because people farm gold and sell it for IRL money, kinda sad because that will ruin economy
You are right, we need some kind of antibot system and few bot nukes
Usually people still bot after that but pretty sure PWI can ban bots almost instantly if they get good antibot system, some gold farmers gets lazy and we have less bots in game.

- Nevitys