Is it worth it??

It depends on how goal oriented you are and how hard you are willing to work to reach those goals.

If you are enlightened enough to enjoy the 1000miles walk instead of reaching the target, it is worth it. It is a nice PvE game after all.

If you are like me and goal orriented, it is only worth it if you like playing no-life style for 2 years to reach your goal without feeling doubts about addiction, uselessness and other such things.

Is it normal ? yes it is. It is similar in pretty much every game i played, also if they are not F2P. It is pretty much the essence of RPGs if you join them late. If you dont want this, join a game when its brand new, or play shooters/RTSes or something like that.

options for money do not stay the same. Many farmable things did increase in price over the 2 years that i played. Also, as you increase in strength, your income will increase with it. I too started doing TT 2-3 in squads for like 1m per hour. Now i solo 2-3 in 20 minutes or 3-3 in 30 for about 10m per hour.

Still though yes it takes years. It took me 2 years to get from nothing to where i am now (r9+10/12 gradually adding the vit stones) was it worth it ? NO, it was the biggest waste of time ever.

No it is not, the economy is screwed, coins have no value pretty much, rather look for a fresh game, pwi is already ancient and shouldn`t last too long, I`d quit and delete my char but for certain things I cannot do just yet.

It was great but now thanks to poor excuse of a management it has been led to sink even deeper, implementing auto cultivation was the last straw that broke the camel`s back, not sure if the economy can be even fixed, unless they somehow manage to delete all coins people have on the servers, thus pissing off a lot of people in the process.

caius775 wrote: »

I mean im being honest, should one travel 1000 miles and during the journey get little to no enjoyment until finally you reach your goal months or even years down the line? Is that normal?

There is your answer. If you feel like that, there is no point playing.

PWI has some good points. However, it became really hard to keep up with. So even worse when catching up with. For the same cost/time you could have perfect gear and a new computer on a new(er) game. Whether the good points of PWI are worth that effort is up to everyone personally to decide, but considering what you said, it's a no.

caius775 wrote: »

This is a serious question, for someone starting out as a free player, looking at the economy is it even worth it to continue playing? Me personally, yeah I like the game but Im not even full g16 ( highly refined ) or even close to r9 let alone r8 ( rep is like 50k each on my server ) How can I alone even begin to start reaching these goals for the sake of finding some sort of enjoyment when it leaves me or other players at such a disadvantage. Looking at AH it's an utter nightmare.

Free rep:
- Morai dailies/weekly/Advanced Endless Universe, convert influence into Reputation Jade. If you can collect enough influence, you can get up to 1600 rep per day.
- Flowsilver Palace, convert the 20 coins into Warsong Emblems and those into Wraith Officer Badges. 3000 rep per day.

Getting the materials for a Rank 8 upgrade shouldn't be too hard since you can get the dragon blood stones from Undercurrent Hall. Recasting it is another story...
Rank 9 gear has always been hellishly expensive since it's basically the final end game gear. If you're not going to either bot or merchant your rear off, set your end gear goal at G16 or R8 and accept that you'll never catch up to the cashing top.

It depends on how you look at things. From a PvE perspective then yes its still worth it if you enjoy the journey in an MMO. Don't be fooled into diving in and running to the finish line as fast as you can. If you do, you will find yourself way behind, with lack of funds in game, etc. G16 with decent refines of +5 to +7 is more than enough at endgame to do anything PvE related with a combination of solo and squad.

If PvP is your bag, then no, there is far too much of a separation between those who have been playing for ages, or have the real life funds to sink into the game. I would recommend a new, fresh MMO in this case.

People were saying the game was dead when gold was 1 mill each, then at 2 mill each, then at 3 mill each, etc. It's not dead yet. Yes there are idiots out there way over valuing certain items in game like t3 daggers with no -int for 90 mill, or pack fashion for 265 mill (I mean seriously who is stupid enough to pay that much even with unlimited coin in the bank?).

PWI has been kind enough to give new players freebies as they level, as well as nice free Arc gifts like hypers, plat charms, event gold, etc. so its not a bad deal at all in my opinion. Sure their customer service to many is terrible, but I feel fortunate to not have experienced anything other than great service when PvE had issues that needed resolving.

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

Never compare yourself to others.
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"Who has never tasted bitter, knows not what is sweet.",-it is well known to all.

Once you start game you play demo version: you can get equipment (really good) from quests.

Further way is more and more hard.

Quests not worth to do.

Players start to work in game or to pay for game.

Working every day "free to play" players can get fun few days, weeks, even months, but then it become at least boring.

First you think, that you are hero, then you are like warrior, then worker, then ...

Joe,

Any MMO is designed to be a time sink, that's what they are made for. Any good MMO in the past from the dawn of MMOs took ages to reach the "end" and some of the longer running MMOs have had people playing them close to 15 years.

You can't fault yourself for investing time in playing, but we have all mismanaged our time to some degree, maybe investing a little too much time when we knew better. MMOs are just an easy escape from day to day, yet when an MMO experience becomes more painful than fruitful, it might be time to turn off the computer.

For those complaining about PWI, F2P games as a whole unfortunately divide the haves and have nots a lot more than the old subscription model that face access to everything to all players. The only difference was time invested. There was no huge money sink.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

So thats all nice and fun and such...but the question is...was it worth it? Was it worth spending thousands of hours into this game? In all honesty...no. It was not.

Background: I was and have always been a talented guitar player and while I'm still quite OK at playing guitar...well with thousands of hours of extra training I could be a guitar god by now (no kidding I'm serious here).

I regret the time spent on PWI although I must admit that I had fun times ofc and PvPing (NW, TW, 1on1) is still fun.

If you are unsure what to do I suggest you run while you can. Don't make the same mistakes that I did. You can still use that time to achieve your dreams in life. Time spent in this game and any other game is just wasted (cept for the social part/language improvements and negotiation trainings you have here and there + you can learn alot about ppl and meet new friends and all that isn't exclusive to MMOs so a non-factor if we are being honest).

I'm quite surprised to see this coming from you tbh. You were 1 of the main "it's very possible f2p" guys here. My guess is that you recently went from not-so-busy to busy rl, like student to work b:laugh

But don't regret it, being good at something that's supposed to be a hobby, that is to say a way to spend free time, shouldn't bring more then fun/relaxation/satisfaction. When it becomes an obligation and start to ruin you, then it becomes a problem. Not just MMO's, that also applies to playing the guitar, or football or whatever hobby you can imagen.

Kijinka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Some games do f2p vs p2p in a balanced fashion so both sides of the fence don't think it's unfair. Look at the mechanics of -I snipped it- for example. (A little biased as I play that MMO but it's a prime example of perfection when it comes to this).

Honestly I tried that MMO you mentioned as well as several others and I haven't found one I liked. But all MMOs and enjoyment of the various ones is subjective and depends on what you look for in one

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

EDIT - someone who knows, can you answer this. What WOULD the coin equivalent be of r9rr full refined/sharded, the Emperor tome and full S card set?

R9 :.................... 2bil
other slots: .........0.5 bil
2 recast rings: ......1 bil
all +10 (10 items): 3bil
+12 (10 items) :.. 7 bil
vit stones:........... 2 bil
emperor:............. 2 bil
6 diff Scards:........ 5bil

So that adds up to 22.5 bil

Well, I just have this to add,

First, a background, I'm a new player of some months and knew I was starting late. I'm from another MMO with top gear etc but got boring. So I decided to try another MMO, I invested alot of funds to put me above average compared to the regular player and I can 1 shot g16s. Its fortunate for me that I can afford this, but i understand others cannot.

Having said that, there are alot of good moments and experiences in game, socially and pve pvp. What i find lacking is the scarcity of gms.

For example, after investing so much, i decided to try celestial tigers event. And suddenly I was dcd every min or 2 for the event duration. Once rewards were given, dcs stopped. I dunno if taking the celestial tigers event caused this problem. I will try again tonight. I know, the first answer is my internet, or heck maybe i chose the wrong internet provider, of which there is one. We'll see.

Youd think all these ppl putting in so much time effort and/or money would get a game that works like other mmos without the huge cash influx. The point of this post is, I seriously hope PWI isnt taking customers for granted cause there are so many games without as much cash investment required. Please dont think for one moment the world is required to throw money at you. Certainly I dont expect ppl to pay me for poor work. An example: you go to a fast food restaurant and the worker sometimes spits in your food, not all time but sometimes. Customers are not required to have unlimited patience. They pay for service.

Also, pls fix the forum avatar issue and pq3 when you can, thanks.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Pvp: Not unless you're willing to lay down some MAJOR real life money.

Or much more likely, time. Can people now please stop assuming that everyone better geared than them are enormous CSers. They arent. I havent spent a penny, and just judging from his posts, i dont think Joe has ever spent a penny either.

All the top players you see, they are no-life gamers. CSers are just the bunch of morons who buy packs spend money on R9 and Scards but dont have the refines etc. The ones you see that make you wonder if they have any clue about what they are doing. If you have the mentality to be a cashshopper, i doubt you will ever reach the top.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Or much more likely, time. Can people now please stop assuming that everyone better geared than them are enormous CSers. They arent. I havent spent a penny, and just judging from his posts, i dont think Joe has ever spent a penny either.

All the top players you see, they are no-life gamers. CSers are just the bunch of morons who buy packs spend money on R9 and Scards but dont have the refines etc. The ones you see that make you wonder if they have any clue about what they are doing. If you have the mentality to be a cashshopper, i doubt you will ever reach the top.

So say a guy makes seven figures a year. He is able to do so through the dint of a quality education, hard work and the wherewithal to grasp opportunities when they come by.

During the little spare time he has, he enjoys MMOS and happens upon this game. Thinks the PVP (which is the main reason he plays MMOs, by the way) is interesting and wants to give it a try.

But the thing is, he is a very busy guy who in no way has the time to invest thousands of hours in game just to bring his toon to a state where it can compete in PVP. So he drops 15 grand into the game since money is no problem.

So tell me WannaBM... does that make this guy a moron ?

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Yes it does.

It is not about being able to spend the money. I am able to spend the money myself. It is about the ridiculousness of buying yourself a victory to satisfy your ego. What we do, working hard for our victory (which is in essence always for the ego) is already stupid enough, buying it and fooling yourself is 10fold worse.

LOL... you do know you called the people whose spending helps to keep the servers running just so that those who what to play MMOS but can't afford to pay and/or want to go the F2P route, "morons" right ?

You are aware as well that it is because of the spending of cash shoppers which allows people like you to no-life the game, right ?

Finally... what you're basically saying is that those who don't have the time to put in thousands of hours just to "earn money" in a fantasy world are "morons" just because they choose to put the money they "earned in real life" into a hobby they enjoy.

You're a pretty smart guy I'm sure. So it should be obvious to you how elitist you come across above.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Also your example is unrealistic. CSing an MMO rpg does not fit with the mentality of people who become succesfull in life either. It fits with the mentality of people who inherited a fortune or who simply have rich parents paying everything for them they wish cuz else the kid starts crying.

Wow... just wow. I would love to see the research or study source supporting that fairly outrageous statement. Me thinks you're just letting your contempt for CSers color your view point here.

maestro121 wrote: »

LOL... you do know you called the people whose spending helps to keep the servers running just so that those who what to play MMOS but can't afford to pay and/or want to go the F2P route, "morons" right ?

You are aware as well that it is because of the spending of cash shoppers which allows people like you to no-life the game, right ?

Finally... what you're basically saying is that those who don't have the time to put in thousands of hours just to "earn money" in a fantasy world are "morons" just because they choose to put the money they "earned in real life" into a hobby they enjoy.

You're a pretty smart guy I'm sure. So it should be obvious to you how elitist you come across above.

Wow... just wow. I would love to see the research or study source supporting that fairly outrageous statement. Me thinks you're just letting your contempt for CSers color your view point here.

Sadly, I'd have to say this is the *worst* place to ask this question. Most of the people who bother to post in this forum are pretty hard-core and seriously jaded (heavy TW/PvP players, massively-geared long hours per day mulch-clienting farmers and serious hangers on.) The "a few hours a day" PVE people are playing the game, then doing something else - not setting themselves on fire in here.

Not to mention the 30% who quit the game for some reason, and spend their free time trolling the forums to ridicule anyone who still plays, eager to recount their tales of how they were wronged and how stupid we are for still playing.

That said, I will agree with several of the above posters that PvE is reasonably smooth, detailed, easy to play on older machines and capable of keeping you busy for a long amount of time if you so choose. For most PvE (especially if you take your time, do the quests and learn your char), the Economy won't affect you until you start to approach 90+, and then only as much as you want it to. Free To Play is certainly possible here, and will be sufficient for 95% of PvE.

Convincing the rest of the population with endgame gear who seem to require PvP gear to do PvE content may be the problem. You'll honestly have more fun treating this as a single player game (unless you have a friend or two to play with you) because 75% of the population are on their third pass leveling, and hit like a truck (with high gear) at very low levels.

Once you try the game, if you like it you can while away quite a lot of hours happily without having to dip your toe in Territory Wars, or PvP.

tl;dr version: Try it yourself, and trust your own judgement.