Is it worth it??

WannaBM - Archosaur

Alphaben - Raging Tide wrote: »

You don't need R9 to battle effectively...I'm T2/Morai G15 mix and I still put up a serious fight against R9Rs (obviously I don't win all of those fights but still)

Armor is only as strong as the heart of the one who wears it...Fight as if you can't lose, and you may be surprised how well you can do. b:victory

I used to said such things before i had R9. I looked at those numbers and thought the difference isnt that big. What matters 40 or 60 attack levels right ?

Oh boy was i wrong. There are so many factors that make up a complete toon. increase them all a little bit, they multiply and you get a huge difference.

I used to think it is normal that NW consist mostly of rebuffing after death and running into battle to soon die again. It is not. T2 and morai G15 means you are a 1-shot. guaranteed, and no matter what class. It also means that you may do 3k dmg on my 35k HP if you are caster with a +10 weapon. Or you do no visible dmg if you are physical dmg class. Even R9s vs other R9s regularly get into situation where neither can kill the other or at least have to wait for a lucky zerkcrit to get trough the charm. A non-R9 doesnt stand a chance, even if the R9 goes AFK really.

And then you should realise i dont even have emperor, all +12, shards, 105-105-105. Im just a relatively weak R9 who in turn has little change against a true endgame R9.

mochabear#4763

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

I used to said such things before i had R9. I looked at those numbers and thought the difference isnt that big. What matters 40 or 60 attack levels right ?

Oh boy was i wrong. There are so many factors that make up a complete toon. increase them all a little bit, they multiply and you get a huge difference.

I used to think it is normal that NW consist mostly of rebuffing after death and running into battle to soon die again. It is not. T2 and morai G15 means you are a 1-shot. guaranteed, and no matter what class. It also means that you may do 3k dmg on my 35k HP if you are caster with a +10 weapon. Or you do no visible dmg if you are physical dmg class. Even R9s vs other R9s regularly get into situation where neither can kill the other or at least have to wait for a lucky zerkcrit to get trough the charm. A non-R9 doesnt stand a chance, even if the R9 goes AFK really.

I do agree with you to an extent. I also want to add this and I'll illustrate with an example.

Theres a barb with r9rr gear +10 fighting against a seeker r9rr +10. Lets say same cards. In this fight skill will win since gear is comparable. Seeker decides ok this can be an easy 15 second loss and starts off with heartseeker instead of the usual blade affinity geminislash ion spike heartseeker voidstep combo. After that seeker keeps a distance and every time heartseeker pops up uses it on barb. (assume seeker has not yet learned all barb skills and knows not what genie barb has). once heartseeker lands seeker tries to keep a reasonable distance and use other range attacks but never getting close essentially using a kite and kill tactic. but unfortunately seeker should have studied opponent more cause barb sometimes not affected by heartseeker. barb manages sometimes to get close and use his best attack, seeker eventually dies. everyone calls seeker noob. another seeker same geared tries to melee with the dial a combo and loses in 10 seconds but ppl say seeker was playing perfectly.

Perhaps not the best example, trying to illustrate that dial a combo and trying to play smart and efficiently dont necessarily belong together. i was that seeker that didnt know all barb skills but i figured, immobilize, keep time and distance in my favor i might win since every second away means every second barb need make up that distance, giving me more time and play attrition style. Perhaps even annoy barb enough with immobilzations so that he might make a mistake.

Point to OP, if you feel you can play smart and efficiently without the gear you can win but it wont be easy. youll need know 100% your opponents and what they can do or not do. Gear compensates for mistakes and lack of knowledge.

Thanks!

MageMERC - Harshlands

creamyinside wrote: »

... Point to OP, if you feel you can play smart and efficiently without the gear you can win but it wont be easy. youll need know 100% your opponents and what they can do or not do. Gear compensates for mistakes and lack of knowledge.

Thanks!

Except if the R9+ person has the same skill level as you. Then your screwed if you haven't got the gear....

... back to getting 25billion together to be competitive in pvp.......

Aubree - Dreamweaver

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

Except if the R9+ person has the same skill level as you. Then your screwed if you haven't got the gear....

... back to getting 25billion together to be competitive in pvp.......

Was thinking something along the same lines except...

Not only does the person know their own class, but they know yours tooo. Why? Because they've been playing for 4+ years. That whole not knowing your class died a long time ago. It came about with tideborns and the release of hypers. Thing is we don't' get new players much anymore. Mostly everyone who is here has been here for years.

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

is pwi worth it?
thats was the start question.

i say that no mmorpg which is older than 5 years is worth any thing at all, because the risk that they let the game die, kill the game slowly, or just shut down the server forever is to high.
there is no law in any country which give you the right to sue a game company for closing the server while you spend money in it.

so if you going to spend money you should be carefully which game you spend it on.
but the latest games might not the best choice either because no one know that game good enough.

if you not going to spend money in it then the question is for yourself, is the game worth your time. and then you have to ask yourself what you want to come out with.

i personally like pwi because the way you control the characters is better than in other mmorpgs in my point of view. i tried R.I.F.T, Neverwinter, T.E.R.A. and 2 other games and the way you control the game there is not how i like to play. also the graphic, even if pwi is old school, the newer games dont have a big improvement here in my point of view. its all looking plastic and unrealistic.

the UPs of pwi are the way you control the character (the user interface to move and cast etc.). Also the base of the game is pretty simple and easy to understand. no complicated skill trees, almost no real way to **** a char .


The DOWNs of PWI are

first: the economy, the pay to win concept, the item price itself (why would people pay 3 $. for a time limited fash without any effect but looking)(people do it but for real, its to expensive)(Also 1500$ for just the basic r9 reuirement is way to much in my eyes for a mmorpg)

second: Also the fact that the instances are to hard if you consider where the people come from when they go in the instance. For example Lunar Glade, first of all it cost 3 mil to even start it and it will not give any money back at all. its a instance to farm level 95 gear so you probably dont have the gear when you doing it. (well at least you are supposed to not have it) so you go in with like tt80 maybe tt90 green gear and will have a horrible time.
and after you spend month in that cave to gather the material you will realise that you still need to run Twilight Temple to farm the Gold material which is rare again.
Another example was Nirvana. At the beginning it became a APs only instance so all classes died except bms and sins. But even with APs chars it took a year to farm al the material for a full g15 set. which was much weaker than the rank 9 gear but still the highest farmable gear.
After a while they added a magical version of nirvana, which was fun but it took also way to long to gather the necessary material.
Then one year later they totally killt nirvana with nation wars. its a dead instance now on harshland.

third: class balance doesnt exist at all. some classes have always a advantage over other classes.

forth: best in game gear which is farmable is much weaker than the gear which you can obtain with real money. so its impossible to farm the best gear at all. people say they farmed it. but all they trying to say is, that they were able to buy enough gold from people who spend real money in pwi to buy the best gear from boutique, more or less. at the end the gear was not farmed but the items to trade it were farmed. at the end of the day, this game wont work without people who spend money at all. there would not a single gold on sale.
and its very expensive to buy gold anyway already. so the supply went already down.

fith: game management and support. while the suppot is not bad at all, some people assert that they scammed the management/support to obtain the best ingame gear. and because the chance for thos gear is at 0.01% they probably really did that. also the management lunches event where only a very small playerbase can particpate. for example the free dragon orb oceans to refine your gear. that event was only on for 3 hours. only a very small group was able to use it and all the rest got nothing. the reason was that the player where able to obtain more of the orbs than they were supposed to. it was a bug in the system but pwi punished the player for their own mistakes. like it is in the real life. the management do mistakes and crash the company and then will get a better paid job, while the rest of the employees will get punished for the management mistakes and lose the job and then need to find a new job which is probably lower paid.

but at the end. i do not expect much better things from other mangement or other games at all. so i decided to stay here to the end because the game interface is for me the most important part of a game. pwi is far away from beeing perfect at this point but still better than others.

jwillson123

maestro121 wrote: »

So say a guy makes seven figures a year. He is able to do so through the dint of a quality education, hard work and the wherewithal to grasp opportunities when they come by.

During the little spare time he has, he enjoys MMOS and happens upon this game. Thinks the PVP (which is the main reason he plays MMOs, by the way) is interesting and wants to give it a try.

But the thing is, he is a very busy guy who in no way has the time to invest thousands of hours in game just to bring his toon to a state where it can compete in PVP. So he drops 15 grand into the game since money is no problem.

So tell me WannaBM... does that make this guy a moron ?

I find it so funny the image people have that cashoppers are rich people driving a ferrari and are very successful in real life.
A successful person would not waste their time on a MMORPG and would wisely invest their money instead of wasting it on something that have almost no resell value. They would had the mentality of a merchant instead. Any successful business owner could have everything in the game by merchanting. Merchanting is easier than selling in real life.

Let me tell you this a lot of average people spend thousands on drugs and gambling too.
PWI addiction is no different than gambling and drug abuse.
I know people that spend Half I repeat HALF of their weekly check on PWI.
Some cashoppers have lose their mind so much that they consider real work as another method of farming gear.
I know people with children that use money like their tax return on this game instead of saving that money during a moment of crisis on their life or saving that money as a fund for their children.
You never know what could happen today you may have a nice job with good pay but tomorrow you may end up be without a job or dead.

You should read the post below.If that person that died would have instead saved that money instead of wasting it in PWI his wife would not have been homeless now.

nixop wrote: »

By reading comments in this thread someone would assume heavy cash players in this game are all multi millionaires. (comments like:"wouldnt you spend all that money if it was nothing for you,and you could afford it" etc)

In reality that is extremely wrong.

In my almost 6 years experience of playing this game i probably met more then 30 people on Dreamweaver server that invested 10-30k+ $ over years.

And i can tell you that maybe 3 of them were actually that rich.Im talking about a player that had a first warsong weapon while nirvana gear was the max(probably spent over 20k $ just for weapon back then).The other 2 are a couple from Italy that together spent probably over 60k $ during rank9 era having total of 11 toons all rank9 +12 josd along with best tomes g15 ornaments +12 etc..

Anyone from Dreamweaver(that have been here as long as i did) could easily confirm this.

All 3 of this people quit the game long ago probably not even caring for the money they spent.


On the other hand the rest of those cash players i met,big bunch of them are still playing the game.(and probably will till the server shuts down).

The difference between those 3 and the other guys is this:
those 3 actually never cared about gold prices,sales or anything....they would just come and charge money in 1 day and buy whatever they wanted.(the couple i knew personally and i remember them telling me they had to write a ticket to expand how much they can charge because it was set to max 500 $ a day)

The rest of the guys are not like that.They are slowly investing 500-1k $ a month and waiting for the best sales so they could save money.(some are even farming sometimes or botting now days).


That actually shows this people in reality are not that rich.Im not saying they shouldnt or cant afford to spend money on this game.Its their money and obviously they have some nice paychecks.

But are they really that rich and is it really that smart to spend money like that?
I will leave you to answer that question yourself.


Also i must add that i met a nice real life couple playing PWI few years ago.They played PWI for longer them me,since the servers were opened.

Wife didnt work,but she was taking care of their new born child,while father had some nice job with great paycheck which allowed them to be one of best geared players on the server.
One day they both disappeared...Everyone that knew them was wondering what happened??

Year and a half later,wife logs ingame out of nowhere.
Since i never delete friends i see it and start with worried questions.
She told me her husband died in a car accident.And few months later she was kicked to street with her child because she couldnt find a good job to keep paying bills.
In the end she settled down at her mothers place and found some crappy job.
She was back to PWI just to tell her friends of what happened.After that she logged off and never came back.

Someone can say she was lying,but i really doubt it.I met a lot of ***** up people in this game and this for sure wasnt one of them.

The thing she told me was that she regret any second of playing PWI and every single cent spent on this game (out of 20k $ they spent together).

Its a tragedy and of course im not saying its PWIs fault.

What do you guys think?Who are the people that will be regretting spending their money during all this years once they quit or servers are shut down(which might be happening even sooner then expected considering the current state of them game)?

Hopefully this post cleared some braindead people thoughts


This is not any hatred towards cash players,just the clarification about some people saying rich people are playing PWI

Is that Italian couple RexReno right?
He did cared for the money he spend I saw a post he was angry at pwi because After spending so much money on end gear his gear became outdated and useless when R9r3 and NW came.

bloodedone87

Why wouldn't a rich and succesfull person wont play PW?
That exemple with that couple means nothing. Yes for some ppl gaming its an addiction but not for all.
You should stop thinking that all ppl that plays MMORPG are the same.
For a very rich person putting money in video games it would be like buying a chocolate.
Gaming its a hobby.What you saying its like having a hobby with no resell value it something bad and you should stop doing something that you like.

Devilskarma - Raging Tide

It goes beyond just a hobby.

Some people enjoy and constantly read books in their spare time... I see that as a true waste of time, just following along other peoples' made up characters or opinions, without any interactions or decision making. Books read to an end of gathering actual information however, whereas perhaps you have a chance of expanding knowledge, that I see as a good use for reading.

Television... the same thing as books.

Following your favorite sports' teams? While you might get all wound up about knowing everything about the history of the teams and their individual players... I see that as pathetic celebrity worship and again, what interaction or decisions did you make that led that team to victory, what would you do to change their outcomes of losses? So how you gonna make sure those team members are gonna implement that strategy? Oh yeah, you're not gonna.

Those all with little exception I see as true wastes of time and money, and even as lemming hobbies, which also often shape how people who participate in those hobbies perceive the world. Those hobbies shape the thoughts of the people that participate in them, part of which includes the "thoughtlessly following along" aspect.

Whereas RPG's (Roleplaying Games) may also shape some people's thoughts and perceptions, at least you actually participate and build a character having the ability to make decisions, interact and ultimately not just staring or yes dearing every step of the way while drooling all over yourself. RPG began as a paper and dice hobby. It is the single most intellectual hobby anyone can have.

Now that RPG's have become MMO's too however, we have the ability to learn about other cultures around the world, ways of thinking, varying etiquettes, and varieties of other aspects. An RPG MMO implemented correctly can become the most powerful learning and teaching tool ever by design, as we can even go to the extend of "roleplaying" varying governments, religions, economic systems (which pwi is failing this particular aspect miserably b:chuckle), and anything else you can think of.

So anyone looking to knock RPG's whether in the form of paper and dice, or MMO's... step the **** off and stick it up your b:fatb shoot and go back to your lemming "hobbies".

bloodedone87

Go and ****ing find a doctor fast. If a game becomes more than a hobby then you have a ****ing problem.You are addicted.if a game shapes your thoughts and perceptions then you have serious brain damage.And ability to make decisions even in an RPG is limited.

Devilskarma - Raging Tide

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Go and ****ing find a doctor fast. If a game becomes more than a hobby then you have a ****ing problem.You are addicted.if a game shapes your thoughts and perceptions then you have serious brain damage.And ability to make decisions even in an RPG is limited.

You either can not read, or just do not understand what you are reading. Go find a school.b:bye

bloodedone87

Devilskarma - Raging Tide wrote: »

So anyone looking to knock RPG's whether in the form of paper and dice, or MMO's... step the **** off and stick it up your b:fatb shoot and go back to your lemming "hobbies".

you started telling me that even if I never said I knock RPG's whether in the form and dice
So i replied the way you deserve it.
I consider a MMO a hobby cause in the moment ill stop considering an hobby I will become addicted and being addicted to something it would be a serious problem for me.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

To the OP: There is no point starting out in PWI, this late into its existence, unless they made a fresh server which I highly doubt they will do now.

Since the thread has some outlooks on how people see PWI I'll share mine.

I have the best geared archer and 2nd best geared toon on my server (the #1 geared toon is a good friend of mine).

So the only reason I log on nowadays is to hang out with friends and crack jokes with guildies, I'm very active in my faction (marshal - strongest faction on our server) so there's recruitment, interviews, I lead the TW and am heavily involved in planning it and organising squads and such, make videos etc.

Essentially the game itself is whatever, its almost a facebook with gossip and drama and lulz, the community is what I enjoy the most and what keep me here, without all the people I know I would have no reason to play.

This isn't due to shortcomings in real life, I have a close group of friends, steady job, annoying endearing family, but PWI has always been an escape from reality with different people and that's what it will remain, I don't take it too seriously.

If it died tomorrow as long as I could get in touch with all my friends from time to time I wouldn't be too fussed. Pastimes are to pass time after all.

Colum - Raging Tide

bloodedone87 wrote: »

you started telling me that even if I never said I knock RPG's whether in the form and dice
So i replied the way you deserve it.
I consider a MMO a hobby cause in the moment ill stop considering an hobby I will become addicted and being addicted to something it would be a serious problem for me.

There are different ways of defining a hobby and different levels of addictions. A game addiction does not mean you have severe brain damage unless you get it to the point you forget to eat/sleep and other basic things one needs to do in their life.

Just think for a little while before you burst out things like that.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

There are different ways of defining a hobby and different levels of addictions. A game addiction does not mean you have severe brain damage unless you get it to the point you forget to eat/sleep and other basic things one needs to do in their life.

Just think for a little while before you burst out things like that.

Gambling addictions dont cause brain damage, neither do most drug addictions (only alcohol, meth and weird things like glue sniffing) That doesnt mean they arent a problem.

mntainr

I'm a returning player that had to start all over again, and I had fun getting back to Lv100. I wouldn't regret starting as a newbie, playing it casually doing guild stuff. I would however regret it if I wanted to pvp, so I don't recommend any to aim for 9s and such.

As for myself, the game doesn't work for me anymore after the recent change. While the game is getting old, I came back because there were still things I enjoy, but after the recent changes, it feels like they gone for me now.

Do I consider this or mmo games a hobby? I don't. They have been fun, exciting and a cheap thrill but not really a hobby for me. Putting it another way, I rarther risk gaming addiction than to play an mmo as a hobby becasue rl has more to offer. Personally, I think mmo potentially is virtually for everyone. The only reason why they are not playing is because their game doesn't exist yet.

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

This thread sums it up. Shame no one important gives a **** about the game.

Colum - Raging Tide

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Gambling addictions dont cause brain damage, neither do most drug addictions (only alcohol, meth and weird things like glue sniffing) That doesnt mean they arent a problem.

I don't disagree with you, such addictions are a problem and so is gaming addiction, however we need to remember that there are different levels and depths of addictions as I already mentioned.

Also what some others may consider as an addiction may just be one's free will to spend their free time as they please. Some people have more of it than others, and some of them might have other kind of issues that makes it easier for them to make friends and socialize online than in real life. I think people use the word "addicted" sometimes bit too harshly.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

I don't disagree with you, such addictions are a problem and so is gaming addiction, however we need to remember that there are different levels and depths of addictions as I already mentioned.

Yes, but i think the very vast majority of the population doesnt realise what the dept of several addictions can be. And where the dangers really lie. The world is full of misconceptions about both the dangers of drugs, and the dangers of gaming. (or probably other things that i am not personally familliar with.)

People think hard drugs are terrible,
softdrugs are moderately bad,
game addictions most people dont ever think about.

During the last 8 years I have used almost all widely known hard drugs and a few more, i still do so on about a monthly basis. I have extensive personal experience with the whole scene as virtually all my friends use harddrugs on a regular basis. Some are addicted, most fortunately are not.
And those times i do manage to pull myself from my computer it is usually to go to parties or festivals where 100s, 1000s or 10.000s of people are, virtually all using harddrugs. Besides that, i was moderator on a forum about drugs for 3 years and have had many conversations with professionals in this field (those who try and help addicted people). So i think i know what i am talking about.

I have not the slightest tendency to get addicted to any of those hard drugs.
I am however quite addicted to soft drugs (marihuana)
I am very addicted to gaming. (and foruming/facebooking etc, internet in general)

This gaming addiction also clearly has the greatest negative impact on my live out of all these things. The softdrugs addiction also has a negative effect, but i can keep it under control most of the time. Harddrugs i dare say have had a positive influence on my life. Yes, the level of addiction controls what effect it has on your life. (not saying that a heroine addiction wouldnt generally be worse than a gaming addiction, although i can imagine a gaming addiction that costs you most of your monthly income to be roughly equally bad indeed...)

And the reason is simple: It is not so that gaming is the most harmfull and dangerous out of these things in itself. It is about the respect you have for the dangers when you start doing these things. I had the utmost respect for the dangers that come with harddrugs when i started doing them (and i still have that respect). When i started using softdrugs at young age, everyone told me it is harmless and non-addicting and i believed them. When i started gaming, noone ever warned me for dangers and in the first decade or more, i never realised there could be any dangers.

And that is what causes the difference. That is where the danger of addiction really lies. The real danger is in not seeing the danger, not respecting it. That is when the chance to become addicted is large. (yes there are other factors too, but that doesnt diminish the importance of this one)
This is why i replied to your post, why i went into this debate and also why i hate the whole P2W cashshop thing so much. I want people to respect the dangers of gaming addiction a little better. It also seems obvious to me that big time CSing vastly enlarges the dangers of game addiction and i think small CSing might lead to big CSing. (might, does not mean it has to, but it might, espescially if you dont foresee the dangers well enough, just like small drug usage might lead to big drug usage if you dont respect the dangers well enough)

Also what some others may consider as an addiction may just be one's free will to spend their free time as they please. Some people have more of it than others, and some of them might have other kind of issues that makes it easier for them to make friends and socialize online than in real life. I think people use the word "addicted" sometimes bit too harshly.

Yes, addiction is a difficult define. For me it means doing things while i know life would be better if i didnt do them.

I am probably one of those for whom it is easier to socialize online than in real life. That is one of the factors that made this a dangerous thing for me. As a kid i was very shy. Back then, for me that was a reason to challenge myself. When i was 15 years old i barely dared to go into a bar by myself. So i forced myself to do it. I went further and further and thats how i ended up doing LSD on large trance parties. That was the way to go, combat the shyness. Dont magnify the problem by sitting behind your PC all the time. If it is hard for you to socialise irl, that is the more reason to get out.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

your addicted to the forums WannaBM b:shutup

Milyen - Sanctuary

Sincerely? If you want to try it out for fun and experiment then sure have a go and play it. Would it worth playing till end game gear and content? You will either have to sacrifice real life money to get ahead and keep ahead of the curve or play a LOT with no life outside the game.

You will eat, sleep and play. No social life outside the game. I speak from experience here, for those of you knew or know me. I was the leader of Nefarious ( Milyen ) when we dominated / conquered the entire map on Sanctuary. That was a long time ago and it seems like a distant memory. Before Hypers, packs and lots of other stuff came out to ruin the game. And to be honest I believe we all used to have a lot more fun back then. TW was fun and so was other contents, admittedly there wasn't as much events as there are now but it was still challenging.

There was a point when you ran out of town with tt60 and felt like a god and it was FUN. Now, well those of you know who have played a while know what I mean. If you haven't got r9 triple recast with +12 and then some more.....

There are a lot more games out there to try and experience. Don't get me wrong PWI is fun as long as you are not going to kill yourself and ruin your health or rl over a game. Keep it in perspective and you will do fine. Ultimately it's a personal decision, if you want to just be a casual gamer with some fun and have a rl outside the game or be a hardcore gamer who either plays 24/7 and nothing else for some pixels on a screen either earned by charging real life money or no life.

Personally, I would try the former option explore and play for fun until you get a feel for the game. Keep your choice open and explore other games out on the market any google search will yield a plethora of lists of upcoming and newly released games. Once you find one you like then it's b:victory

Good luck to you. For those who remember me Greetings and hope you are all in good spirits and health
b:bye