Is it worth it??

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

I gotta say, the more I actually read Joe`s posts the more I agree with him. Guess we got fairly similar personalities/ideals/morals in some ways.

Sweetiebot please award 10 points to Joe for writing a wall worth reading.

SweetieBot - Lothranis

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

Sweetiebot please award 10 points to Joe for writing a wall worth reading.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur awards 10 points to Joe - Morai!
Joe - Morai is now in 6th place for July 2014 with 10 points (10 points overall).
HideYoHubby - Archosaur can still award another 20 points today.

Check this thread for the current high scores and to learn how to award points to others.

HawtyNaughty - Heavens Tear

Sweetiebot what is the command to ban oVenusArmanio and OPKossy for spamming?

SweetieBot - Lothranis

HawtyNaughty - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sweetiebot what is the command to ban oVenusArmanio and OPKossy for spamming?

Changing subject.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Sweetiebot you are one of the best trolls on pwi forums b:chuckle.

*makes the accounts of somebody and whoever to get those points* b:bye.

To OP: As venus said, game is still fun to play. If you want to be the best of the best, that takes time, effort. If you want to play for fun, sure go ahead, make the classes and do the quests, they are fun.

I fell in love with the bm the first time i played it, and still playing it now, other classes just don't do it for me.

SweetieBot - Lothranis

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sweetiebot you are one of the best trolls on pwi forums

Thank you for the compliment.

nixop

By reading comments in this thread someone would assume heavy cash players in this game are all multi millionaires. (comments like:"wouldnt you spend all that money if it was nothing for you,and you could afford it" etc)

In reality that is extremely wrong.

In my almost 6 years experience of playing this game i probably met more then 30 people on Dreamweaver server that invested 10-30k+ $ over years.

And i can tell you that maybe 3 of them were actually that rich.Im talking about a player that had a first warsong weapon while nirvana gear was the max(probably spent over 20k $ just for weapon back then).The other 2 are a couple from Italy that together spent probably over 60k $ during rank9 era having total of 11 toons all rank9 +12 josd along with best tomes g15 ornaments +12 etc..

Anyone from Dreamweaver(that have been here as long as i did) could easily confirm this.

All 3 of this people quit the game long ago probably not even caring for the money they spent.


On the other hand the rest of those cash players i met,big bunch of them are still playing the game.(and probably will till the server shuts down).

The difference between those 3 and the other guys is this:
those 3 actually never cared about gold prices,sales or anything....they would just come and charge money in 1 day and buy whatever they wanted.(the couple i knew personally and i remember them telling me they had to write a ticket to expand how much they can charge because it was set to max 500 $ a day)

The rest of the guys are not like that.They are slowly investing 500-1k $ a month and waiting for the best sales so they could save money.(some are even farming sometimes or botting now days).


That actually shows this people in reality are not that rich.Im not saying they shouldnt or cant afford to spend money on this game.Its their money and obviously they have some nice paychecks.

But are they really that rich and is it really that smart to spend money like that?
I will leave you to answer that question yourself.


Also i must add that i met a nice real life couple playing PWI few years ago.They played PWI for longer them me,since the servers were opened.

Wife didnt work,but she was taking care of their new born child,while father had some nice job with great paycheck which allowed them to be one of best geared players on the server.
One day they both disappeared...Everyone that knew them was wondering what happened??

Year and a half later,wife logs ingame out of nowhere.
Since i never delete friends i see it and start with worried questions.
She told me her husband died in a car accident.And few months later she was kicked to street with her child because she couldnt find a good job to keep paying bills.
In the end she settled down at her mothers place and found some crappy job.
She was back to PWI just to tell her friends of what happened.After that she logged off and never came back.

Someone can say she was lying,but i really doubt it.I met a lot of ***** up people in this game and this for sure wasnt one of them.

The thing she told me was that she regret any second of playing PWI and every single cent spent on this game (out of 20k $ they spent together).

Its a tragedy and of course im not saying its PWIs fault.

What do you guys think?Who are the people that will be regretting spending their money during all this years once they quit or servers are shut down(which might be happening even sooner then expected considering the current state of them game)?

Hopefully this post cleared some braindead people thoughts


This is not any hatred towards cash players,just the clarification about some people saying rich people are playing PWI

caius775

Thanks for all the feedback, as to answer some of your questions I do really enjoy pve and my friends, I like a game were I do invest a bit of time to reach a goal and i find joy in making achievements. I guess my major problem is I am very competitive I don't aim to be number 1 I still believe extreme skill will allow me to dance with "most" players as long as im able to hurt them and i can at least take a few hits as well. I just want to have a "chance" and to at least not have nw scare me away anymore to the pot im losing more money than im gaining doing this event.

Sadly pve and social alone isn't enough for me I love the whole package. I want too sometimes pvp, pve when not in the mood for pvp and talk when im not in the mood for either. I hate the idea of pvp being a premium feature of the game and that feature cost soo much. If i knew a consistent way to start the process to being average I would say then its worth it. Right now im trying to see how can i reach my next goal and this a is a minor like getting average orns or something. b:surrender idk guys maybe i should move on i had great memories too its just sad. Maybe im the one that sucks at reaching my end game goals idk this was one of my hobbies tho on my free time now its fading....gamer troubles

trands

Joe - Morai wrote: »

I mostly have a problem with csers simply because they are 99% of the time stupid and pathetic morons which has nothing to do with csing in general but with the basic lazyness that comes along with it.

[super snip]

Funny part is, this is the reason why I 99% of the time don't get along with f2p players that aim for high-end gear. Like seriously, how can someone, who put a lot of hours in a game, call a person who works for real money lazy. For me it's more the opposite. It's the players that put a lot of time and pride in a game that actually are making up for lack rl (or maybe that's just me who can't imagen how someone with a decent rl to have that much free time). It's probably just a problem in the point of view. I often consider you to sound like you feel better because you achieved things in game f2p. You probably think that of me. Your post can be twisted around completely. Just like the example of your boss with his big car. Why wouldn't he get a big car? You're not hiding your accomplishments in game either.

But realistically, let's take the example of Hot (just to have someone other then myself who will see this and who sais to cs openly), with his job and stuff, what would he need to proove in a game? Heck, he'd be a total idiot if he were to put pride in f2p and spend a large part of his playing time into farming and merching instead of PvP which he enjoys. Having run a billion more solo-TT and spend hundreds of hours in a catshop doesn't give you an edge for PvP. That's all what money buys, the "work" part of the game, the "farming/merching time". If a cs'er gets it faster then you, that simply means their working way is more efficient. I'm even convinced that you would have gotten your gear in less hours if you picked up that guitar and went to play in the street/subway/park/caffee then put that in zen, or any other random small job. Unless you got some fun/relaxation/satisfaction out of doing all those TT runs, I don't see why you choose that route of getting your gear.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur

trands wrote: »

Funny part is, this is the reason why I 99% of the time don't get along with f2p players that aim for high-end gear. Like seriously, how can someone, who put a lot of hours in a game, call a person who works for real money lazy. For me it's more the opposite. It's the players that put a lot of time and pride in a game that actually are making up for lack rl (or maybe that's just me who can't imagen how someone with a decent rl to have that much free time). It's probably just a problem in the point of view. I often consider you to sound like you feel better because you achieved things in game f2p. You probably think that of me. Your post can be twisted around completely. Just like the example of your boss with his big car. Why wouldn't he get a big car? You're not hiding your accomplishments in game either.

But realistically, let's take the example of Hot (just to have someone other then myself who will see this and who sais to cs openly), with his job and stuff, what would he need to proove in a game? Heck, he'd be a total idiot if he were to put pride in f2p and spend a large part of his playing time into farming and merching instead of PvP which he enjoys. Having run a billion more solo-TT and spend hundreds of hours in a catshop doesn't give you an edge for PvP. That's all what money buys, the "work" part of the game, the "farming/merching time". If a cs'er gets it faster then you, that simply means their working way is more efficient. I'm even convinced that you would have gotten your gear in less hours if you picked up that guitar and went to play in the street/subway/park/caffee then put that in zen, or any other random small job. Unless you got some fun/relaxation/satisfaction out of doing all those TT runs, I don't see why you choose that route of getting your gear.

You completely missed the point and he isnt saying that if I didnt mistake his post myself. And if you really read his post, you would of noticed he admitted he`d likely just CS too with a better job. The lazyness part is something I have myself kinda argued, though with bit different reasoning.

There are just so many CSers who are completely reliant to gear they wear. Due most people being ignorant just how drastic difference gear makes, they more likely get praises for their skills than critique, no matter how they might play their toon. I personally find best of threads extremely amusing, least when it comes to archo as the biggest and worst CSers will be named.

That I suspect is the root for where lazyness comes in. He believes this is due being lazy, because you dont work for your gear in game, you wont bother learning to play your class either. I strongly believe its mostly result of false feedback. If you roll basically anything out there, why would you think you need to improve? I consider it quite true how the ones who work for their gear in game tend to be more competent players than the ones who work irl. Granted likely most praised sin on archo "history" did CS his R9, though he then used that toon to gear up his archer.

Ps. I am actually farming R9 recast ring, I could buy SoWs if I wanted but I like the idea of farming the thing. My NW neck is still at the stage of farming cube but I intend to farm every single bit of it till its time to make it NW neck, where I might buy SoWs to save time as R9 recast ring will take a while and farming both completely might take quite a while. So yes, farming in game is rewarding to an extent. That 20th run of the day in TT is quite another thing.

Joe - Morai

trands wrote: »

Funny part is, this is the reason why I 99% of the time don't get along with f2p players that aim for high-end gear. Like seriously, how can someone, who put a lot of hours in a game, call a person who works for real money lazy. For me it's more the opposite. It's the players that put a lot of time and pride in a game that actually are making up for lack rl (or maybe that's just me who can't imagen how someone with a decent rl to have that much free time). It's probably just a problem in the point of view. I often consider you to sound like you feel better because you achieved things in game f2p. You probably think that of me. Your post can be twisted around completely. Just like the example of your boss with his big car. Why wouldn't he get a big car? You're not hiding your accomplishments in game either.

But realistically, let's take the example of Hot (just to have someone other then myself who will see this and who sais to cs openly), with his job and stuff, what would he need to proove in a game? Heck, he'd be a total idiot if he were to put pride in f2p and spend a large part of his playing time into farming and merching instead of PvP which he enjoys. Having run a billion more solo-TT and spend hundreds of hours in a catshop doesn't give you an edge for PvP. That's all what money buys, the "work" part of the game, the "farming/merching time". If a cs'er gets it faster then you, that simply means their working way is more efficient. I'm even convinced that you would have gotten your gear in less hours if you picked up that guitar and went to play in the street/subway/park/caffee then put that in zen, or any other random small job. Unless you got some fun/relaxation/satisfaction out of doing all those TT runs, I don't see why you choose that route of getting your gear.

XD ya I agree completely but that was not my point. The lazieness I was talking about revolved around being lazy to actually learn the game to be competitive. Hot himself is a good example of a CSer that does know how to play and put some effort into learning the game mechanics. thats the main reason why I have zero problems with him.

It doesn't matter if ppl pay for their gear or if they just farm it. The important thing for me is that they don't put themselves above others just because they got something others don't in terms of equipment alone. If I put myself over others in a game like this then it is because I am a better/more experienced player that put alot of effort into this game to know all the mechanics and possibilities of the given gameplay. I would never respect someone just because they got better gear/more money/a huge house/a fast and expensive car. I would respect them if they are great players/great drivers and genereally very skilled and put alot of effort into anything they do.

Again. Gear and money doesn't matter at all to me. Skill is the only thing that ever mattered and it is a fact that most casual csers lack skill. Sometimes in unbelievably redicolous forms xDDD

Like there is no way on earth that I just faceroll some guys that are similiar or better geared then me in this game in seconds. I hate that. I wanna have great, long lasting fights. I don't even wanna be better then them. I just want competition. Same goes for Hot I guess although sometimes he kinda likes facerolling/trolling ppl a little but cmon we are all humans and like to do this from time to time.

PS: to add something. Although we are mainly talking about endgame-geared ppl that does not mean that lower geared players are to be ignored. No No No. I have seen some players that could be 1-shots BUT they know how to play so they can actually cause some trouble to the enemy and would fit best in a supporting role. They might not be able to kill anything on their own but considering group-playing well...sometimes the low geared/high skilled ppl are the ones turning the tides of the battle. ANYONE can be a great addition to a group if he/she just got a bit of skill and knowledge about the game. This I trully believe.

PSS: To clear something up. I myself am on the road for about 11 hours every day and I use to sleep over 8 hours a da because otherwise I would end up dead pretty soon so that kinda gives you a feeling of how much time I actually got for playing. I currently try to at least get my BH/FSP done daily and if it fits a little PvP. Add to that that I have other hobbies as well and need to take care of my flat as well...and you know. Actually I'm quite impressed how I did manage to get this far gear-wise because I'm in this situation since I play this game xD Well I guess I just work it all out on the weekends and stuff =P

trands

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

You completely missed the point and he isnt saying that if I didnt mistake his post myself. And if you really read his post, you would of noticed he admitted he`d likely just CS too with a better job. The lazyness part is something I have myself kinda argued, though with bit different reasoning.

I didn't miss the point, but that's mainly because I know Joe a bit longer and am on the same server. If you look regularly at his posts and know his behaviour on server, you would get the thing.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

XD ya I agree completely but that was not my point. The lazieness I was talking about revolved around being lazy to actually learn the game to be competitive. Hot himself is a good example of a CSer that does know how to play and put some effort into learning the game mechanics. thats the main reason why I have zero problems with him.

I just can't understand how you connect "lazy" to "cashshop". There is absolutely no link.

Also, you present yourself as a great player on your own criteria. By my criteria, you are far from great, as 1vs1 means nothing for me and NW/TW you're a total non-factor on the map. Different players, different objectives. All that talk about "effort" and "skill" is totally irrelevant to me.

I don't follow the same life philosophy as you, nor the same vision of "effort/skill". You really make it sound like PWI is so complex or a world you should succeed in. It sounds like you have something to prove or make up for, not the ones you're bashing for not taking a game as serious as you.

Zoldi - Morai

Anyway... with same kind of arguments you could say that merchants don't know how to play their chars and you could even say that about farmers in most cases because :
- a lot of farmers use for example a farmer sin then use money on another toon
- PVE is that easy that you don't need to master your char to farm with (especially if you farm the same instance over and over with the same routine)
- solo farming don't help to learn how to play in a team

Obviously there used to be some people that got their R9.3 toon just some weeks after they started playing, then only come in TW once in a while and had only to press the same button to do some damage. I'm not sure this is only related to CS or not CS and most of all, I'm not sure those guys could still be efficient now that everyone's gears has improved.

Joe - Morai

trands wrote: »

I didn't miss the point, but that's mainly because I know Joe a bit longer and am on the same server. If you look regularly at his posts and know his behaviour on server, you would get the thing.

I never ever contradicted myself. I'm pretty constant on my behaviour xD.

trands wrote: »

I just can't understand how you connect "lazy" to "cashshop". There is absolutely no link.

Also, you present yourself as a great player on your own criteria. By my criteria, you are far from great, as 1vs1 means nothing for me and NW/TW you're a total non-factor on the map. Different players, different objectives. All that talk about "effort" and "skill" is totally irrelevant to me.

I don't follow the same life philosophy as you, nor the same vision of "effort/skill". You really make it sound like PWI is so complex or a world you should succeed in. It sounds like you have something to prove or make up for, not the ones you're bashing for not taking a game as serious as you.

Why? because it should be impossible for me to crash a NW map where I'm alone against 20 or more ppl and win. But I regulary do so. that much for being a non factor. There are certain game mechanics that prevent a barb from being able to do anything at all when he gets hit by too many different debuffs from too many players. Like I said in WC last NW. IF I would have a Purify proc weap on my barb I would totally faceroll most 1vs20 fights in just killing anyone. Don't mix up things. I'm no caster. I dont have purify proc and I dont have any buff that prevents me from being stunned/sealed or w/e. Or sry...10 seconds violent triumph...doesnt make a huge difference.

Why do I run into huge groups of plyers then even tho I know I should have no chance? Because I then see how bad the avarage r9 player on Morai is. Even whole groups. No focusing. No stun locking most of the time. No teamwork. No debuffs or combos worked out with fellow players. They are just bashing random skills at me and wondering why I survive for minutes 1vs20.

Its not just our server. I have very good friends on other servers as well. Friends that are as skilled as I am and they are reporting the very same thing. As a note: I was talking about me fighting 20 ppl where the half is full r9 at the minimum.

So what are the possibilities here:

1. I could be a godlike player and so are my friends - I doubt it. I'm just casual.
2. Those massive CSed ppl never spent a thought on how to actually play the game because simply overgearing ppl was sufficient for them til they met guys like me - very likely to be true.
3. Generally unskilled players that are capable of csing and or farming but still dont have a clue about how this gmae works - is very likely as well.

So what ever is wrong is not my fault. It's the fault of the very ppl I'm fighting. IDC if they care and I don't put myself above them up until the point they think they can put themselves above ME out of redicolous reasons. Something like laughing at me cuz they got me killed while 10 others have been hitting and CCing on me. This is the very thing that drives me crazy and makes me wanna rip them to shreds.

1on1s are the only way of fighting in this game that can be considered at least a bit fair! If anyone needs to be a cser, well I dont mind. If anyone is a farmer, well I dont mind. W/E they are. If they have a big mouth I just wanna bring them down to earth and I useally manage to do so.

Most ppl think they are something better just because they spent a fortune on this game and it is my very pleasure to get them back to earth. Why? For their own sake. I only gain little joy from doing so. So little joy that anyone logically thinking would agree hat it's not worth to put that much time into it.

PPL should finally learn that it doesnt matter who you are, what you posses or how much money and imaginary "power they got. We are all the same and are all on the same friggin lvl. It just doesn't matter. Anyone has the same possibilities. What makes us being good at some things and not so good at other things is the effort we put into something and nothing more. Look around you ppl and open your eyes. It's crystal clear.

That is no life philosophy. that is the pure logic of humans. Anything else is just ones imagination and the result of lifelong manipulation through other, not so blindfolded, ppl.

BTT: the whol topic kinda drifted back from the original topic.

PS: I could give you all a detailed explenation on why it is soo wrong to spent a fortune on a game like this or doing similiar stuff while not even trying to put effort into it. It's getting clearer now that I won't be getting through unless I give that detailed explenation. That would involve writing a whole book revolving around human psychology. But it's not that hard. If you just focus a bit on your near environment and think about it..I'm sure you get it yourselves. And yes. Ofc I would want anyone to get a better insight on human psychology. that would make my "goal" (mentioned above) easier by far. So do me the favour? k thx bye.

PSS: No other human on this planet can claim to really know me. Although it's pretty simple. Anything I do...from those huge posts to "randomly" trolling is done for a reason and to get closer to my goal. Ppl could ofc get that. But Right now I assume you must think..."dang that guy is totally crazy or mental ill". I'm not I assure you. If any human would dare to put enough effort into understanding others and themselves ofc..well they might've been able to see my reasons. I'm yet to see anyone seeing through it.

I know most reactions on statements like this. The pure amount of missing Info and effort that would be needed to understand me is terrifying for most ppl cept they find another "crystal clear" solution and just say "ok, he really is mental ill" and go along with lying to themselves. I'm used to it. Suprise me. PLEASE! xD

laikiraski

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

- solo farming don't help to learn how to play in a team
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Dont underestimate solo players..... I am solo

Joe - Morai

laikiraski wrote: »

Dont underestimate solo players..... I am solo

Same goes for me =P I'd love to team up...but I don't have ppl that would fit in such a team.

mochabear#4763

Joe - Morai wrote: »

So what ever is wrong is not my fault. It's the fault of the very ppl I'm fighting. IDC if they care and I don't put myself above them up until the point they think they can put themselves above ME out of redicolous reasons. Something like laughing at me cuz they got me killed while 10 others have been hitting and CCing on me. This is the very thing that drives me crazy and makes me wanna rip them to shreds.

1on1s are the only way of fighting in this game that can be considered at least a bit fair! If anyone needs to be a cser, well I dont mind. If anyone is a farmer, well I dont mind. W/E they are. If they have a big mouth I just wanna bring them down to earth and I useally manage to do so.

Most ppl think they are something better just because they spent a fortune on this game and it is my very pleasure to get them back to earth. Why? For their own sake. I only gain little joy from doing so. So little joy that anyone logically thinking would agree hat it's not worth to put that much time into it.

PPL should finally learn that it doesnt matter who you are, what you posses or how much money and imaginary "power they got. We are all the same and are all on the same friggin lvl. It just doesn't matter. Anyone has the same possibilities. What makes us being good at some things and not so good at other things is the effort we put into something and nothing more. Look around you ppl and open your eyes. It's crystal clear.

That is no life philosophy. that is the pure logic of humans. Anything else is just ones imagination and the result of lifelong manipulation through other, not so blindfolded, ppl.

BTT: the whol topic kinda drifted back from the original topic.

PS: I could give you all a detailed explenation on why it is soo wrong to spent a fortune on a game like this or doing similiar stuff while not even trying to put effort into it. It's getting clearer now that I won't be getting through unless I give that detailed explenation. That would involve writing a whole book revolving around human psychology. But it's not that hard. If you just focus a bit on your near environment and think about it..I'm sure you get it yourselves. And yes. Ofc I would want anyone to get a better insight on human psychology. that would make my "goal" (mentioned above) easier by far. So do me the favour? k thx bye.

PSS: No other human on this planet can claim to really know me. Although it's pretty simple. Anything I do...from those huge posts to "randomly" trolling is done for a reason and to get closer to my goal. Ppl could ofc get that. But Right now I assume you must think..."dang that guy is totally crazy or mental ill". I'm not I assure you. If any human would dare to put enough effort into understanding others and themselves ofc..well they might've been able to see my reasons. I'm yet to see anyone seeing through it.

I know most reactions on statements like this. The pure amount of missing Info and effort that would be needed to understand me is terrifying for most ppl cept they find another "crystal clear" solution and just say "ok, he really is mental ill" and go along with lying to themselves. I'm used to it. Suprise me. PLEASE! xD

I snipped the top part of your post. Anyway I was reading this and had some questions.

Do these people that laugh at you laugh at other people as well or just you?

Do 'most' of the people that spent a fortune in game communicate to you they are better than you in world chat or pms?

What about the people that dont communicate to you but spent a fortune? Do you think they are laughing at you too even tho they show nothing/dont communicate with you?

Who claims to know you?

Just for your information im happily married in-game. My hubbie and I have a lot of special times together.

laikiraski

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Same goes for me =P I'd love to team up...but I don't have ppl that would fit in such a team.

For what team ? Noone can ever give me a reason for that and convince me with it .Yea well except 1 situation , you group of people living together or see each other evry day ,then yea teaming up here ends up because of rl ,otherwise cba teaming xD

Zoldi - Morai

Just saying but R9.3 means nothing nowadays... There are tons of people R9.3+6 or so who are for example 102-101-101, no meridians, almost no nuemas, no titles, average cards or lower. You're not the only one able to tank several of those people. But don't claim your gears (+ 3*105) don't help you at all, especially while being a barb.
But I remember a bridge map this weekend... The other people in my nation died fast but I was just standing here despite you being with another R9.3 barb on that map and 10+ other toons on me. I wasn't able to get rid of you efficiently nor to destroy towers, because too much people and the debuffs.from towers were a pain in the ***, but still I was standing until Saeber and friends came and killed me.

That being said, I won't say you're not skilled because actually I never saw a barb kite like you and always changing form, and this was kinda effective. But still your gears also help you, as it helps other almost endgame toons to face several midgame toons and you also have your limits (as everyone does)

laikiraski wrote: »

Dont underestimate solo players..... I am solo

I play 85% of the time solo and when I don't this is not really to get help, just to be with certain people or try to get fun with a team.
You do know I don't underestimate solo players and I don't consider "solo farmers" never know how to play with a team. I'm just saying that being able to farm/play solo is not enough to be considered a good player (because PVE is so easy...)

Joe - Morai

creamyinside wrote: »

I snipped the top part of your post. Anyway I was reading this and had some questions.

Do these people that laugh at you laugh at other people as well or just you?

Do 'most' of the people that spent a fortune in game communicate to you they are better than you in world chat or pms?

What about the people that dont communicate to you but spent a fortune? Do you think they are laughing at you too even tho they show nothing/dont communicate with you?

Who claims to know you?

Just for your information im happily married in-game. My hubbie and I have a lot of special times together.

Thats good for you but you should alrd have the anwser to your questions. If not...you don't need to bother with it anyways (: as I never really expected anyone would bother to begin with...so ty I guess. But let me say this. I'm talking about ppl that put themselves above others in general. Most of the times it has nothing to do with me, I kinda make it my problem to begin with.

@Zoldi: thats because you are a great mystic and as it seems a great player. But you gotta agree (because you have been there on some maps) that the weird stuff your fellow nation mates have done has nothing to do with any sort of player-skill xDDD But oh well. Mystics get so easily underestimated these daysalthough I'd say they are amazing especially in terms of survivability.

Zoldi - Morai

I do agree but still I think that almost every R9.3+10-12 toon (with nuemas, titles, meridians, some good cards) can be efficient against 10 G16 people + some R9.3+5 toons.
Because gears give you enough survivability to do some mistakes and you could kill them all in one or two AOE. Obviously if they're good it's gonna be harder and if you don't play your class correctly it will be harder as well. But gears do help and winning this kind of map is not a huge or rare achievement. And this is true for farmers as well, not only for C$ers

Joe - Morai

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

I do agree but still I think that almost every R9.3+10-12 toon (with nuemas, titles, meridians, some good cards) can be efficient against 10 G16 people + some R9.3+5 toons.
Because gears give you enough survivability to do some mistakes and you could kill them all in one or two AOE. Obviously if they're good it's gonna be harder and if you don't play your class correctly it will be harder as well. But gears do help and winning this kind of map is not a huge or rare achievement. And this is true for farmers as well, not only for C$ers

Ya but I always do hope to see ppl that are giving their best...you know...kinda like using AD when I'm rushing into them and killing them the third time...or IG...or anything to avoid being killed the same way all over again. That is what disappoints me. ven if they are just +5 or +7 refined or if they are "just" G16 Vana...well they could do better and they could have done better. That's practically all I'm saying. PPl should try to give their best in any given situation. Even if they fail to achieve anything. I respect ppl that try their best tbh even when they fail.

Zoldi - Morai

I understand but this is not about CS or not. There are some totally unskilled players that never spent any real money.
Obviously if the guy only has R8 stuffs then nobody gives a ****. What is frustrating might be to loose against an overgeared guy just because of his gears. But once again this can be true even if he's not a C$er.

Joe - Morai

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

I understand but this is not about CS or not. There are some totally unskilled players that never spend any real money.
Obviously if the guy only has R8 stuffs then nobody gives a ****. What is frustrating might be to loose against an overgeared guy just because of his gears. But once again this can be true even if he's not a C$er.

I totally agree as I have stated multiple times before. I dont care if someone is a cser or not. I care about skill and effort thats all xDD sufficient I guess.

opkossy

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Ya but I always do hope to see ppl that are giving their best...you know...kinda like using AD when I'm rushing into them and killing them the third time...or IG...or anything to avoid being killed the same way all over again. That is what disappoints me. ven if they are just +5 or +7 refined or if they are "just" G16 Vana...well they could do better and they could have done better. That's practically all I'm saying. PPl should try to give their best in any given situation. Even if they fail to achieve anything. I respect ppl that try their best tbh even when they fail.

It does depend on the situation some, though. Like if they recently respawned their genie may not have enough energy or such.

Though I have gone and let myself be killed by people in NW before to abuse the respawn as a way to do things like catch up to someone with a flag faster or the like. Especially since, if I'm running solo and I'm not worried about losing buffs on a lowbie/not high geared character, there's plenty of times when I can be more useful to my side dead and then on the other side of the map where I can toss out debuffs/drain chi than wherever I currently am.

Bobzl - Sanctuary

I have r999+12 JOSD gear and I got it through merchanting. I started merchanting about 2.5 years ago (even though I have been playing for a bit longer than that) and about a year later (about when NW first came out) I had enough to fully max gear up my archer (about 13-15 billion coin back then) On average, this took about 30 minutes a day actually managing my two shops while having them up 24/7.

I am just saying this to point out the fact that I probably spent the least actual money (I did charge 200$ before I started merchanting, so I can't say I didn't charge at all) and the least time possible to actually get the gear that I have now.

I’ll admit I was lucky and made some good investments to get this much this quickly, but now looking back, I wish I hadn’t used the coin to get the gear and that I had just sold it instead. Because now I find the game very boring and I am only on for TW and sometimes NW and I find even those to barely be enjoyable anymore.

So, is it worth it?

My personal opinion is: no it is not.

Evalria - Sanctuary

Like everyone else already said, it highly depends on what you want out of this game the most. That is what draws the line of 'worth it' or not.

Myself, I enjoy the PvE and interacting with others. That is what makes this game for me, what always will. So my aims are strictly PvE and so, I don't suffer from the dread of never being able to compete in PvP. I'm too much of a carebear to actively enjoy smashing other people's characters into dust, even when it's a consenting PvP match or something like TW. Just no. I want to see their pretty characters alive and running, thank you.

From herb merchanting I make enough coins in game to get me by with the essentials, such as potions and saving up for gear. If I'm not lazy/got the free time that's 2mil+ a day right there. Save that instead of spending it, which I am liable to do, and you've got yourself decent pocket money at the end of the week.

No, what occasionally kills this game for me is the fact most people are jerks, rude, obnoxious and will miss no chance to bite at you for no reason and ruin your day for the sake of it. Then again, they are real people and that's what real people do. Maybe I'm a picky snob or too sensitive...
I'm still factionless, with too few or none at all people to even say hello and do stuff with when I log in.
Most of my old pals quit for 'better games' I can't or don't want to play and that is also one of the reasons the game feels dead, mostly everybody leaves for where the grass is greener.

If you too feel it is better to play something else, if you don't like investing too much time in a game to get by, if you only aim for kick-butt PvP and you are easily offended by people who flock around like vultures ready to strike, then this game certainly might not be for you. But that's okay. At least try it first, what me or someone else here says is the general sum-up of personal experiences but this is a place you need to see for yourself in order to make your own statement, that ultimately applies to you.
There's nothing to lose, except a little time, but if you are looking to play a good game that means you must have a certain amount of disposable time at hand.

Have fun in your gaming endeavors! Time spent doing something you like is never wasted time.

ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Yes it does.

It is not about being able to spend the money. I am able to spend the money myself. It is about the ridiculousness of buying yourself a victory to satisfy your ego. What we do, working hard for our victory (which is in essence always for the ego) is already stupid enough, buying it and fooling yourself is 10fold worse.

Also your example is unrealistic. CSing an MMO rpg does not fit with the mentality of people who become succesfull in life either. It fits with the mentality of people who inherited a fortune or who simply have rich parents paying everything for them they wish cuz else the kid starts crying.

@ how *you* worked to obtain your gear, nor do they share in your pride of ownership. They just want to play the f'ing game and be entertained. For every single person playing this game plays it for their own entertainment. Wether that means farming their own gear, or buying it so they can participate in the fun it's their game, and they will do what they please, however they please.

Not everyone here measures their accomplishments by how others (like you) view their accomplishments.

Get over yourself.


\you are more than welcome to look down your nose in disdain at anyone you godddamn well please
\\just stop expecting anyone else to give a tinker's damn

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Is it worth it? perhaps.

Depends on what your aiming for in the game like others say. Although nearly 10 pages worth of people posting and ranting saying otherwise, while still lingering on the forums to post this far would tell you something. If it wasnt worth it you prolly wont get as far as 3 pages of answers aka no audience.

As far as competition. Sure its a game, your suppose to have fun. You did mention your not fully G16 yet too but really, if your comparing yourself to the top merchants, oldest players, and the bogus cash shoppers then your not being too realistic. Im not sure how easily you expect to catch up to them, given their experience over you, but even in a game, time and effort do play a huge role whatever form they may take (ex. cash shoppers and RL work) Sure prices are soaring atm, but not without fair (or unfair) reason, that being the autoculti which everyone can take advantage of.

For good or for bad, the gold price atm is pretty much stagnant at the highest price, and auto culti pretty much guarantees you a income. If that right there doesnt hint to you come $$$ flow then your not using your brain muscles (thinking effort!) enough

aside from that friends are the next best thing.
Remember, old friends arent the only friends.
If you made friends before, then you can make them again, afterall this is a MMORPG

Alphaben - Raging Tide

You don't need R9 to battle effectively...I'm T2/Morai G15 mix and I still put up a serious fight against R9Rs (obviously I don't win all of those fights but still)

Armor is only as strong as the heart of the one who wears it...Fight as if you can't lose, and you may be surprised how well you can do. b:victory