Event Boutique Update

Im actually more annoyed by the change of the refining aids than by the charm change (although i hate this as well cause even on lowbies you easily spend one charm per NW, even when you get one-hit most of the time. Even more with endgame gear if you do TW or NW often)

I know the refining aids were abused. If you can call it abusing at all. There is a reason the stones are untradeable, but when people selling refine service with those tishas instead of selling the aids directly, theres hardly a difference - as long as people are willing to trust others.
Although I think theres nothing wrong with selling refine sercives, i can see why PWE or Wanmei (whoever made the decision) might have a problem with that.

But seriously, most people used those event tishas to refine their gear up to +7, what is already hard enough if you have bad luck. If its only usable on bound items, ALL people with unbound gear, even if its not tradeable, are screwed. The only things worth to bind are super rare items like CoM or tomes if you pk a lot. Even then, most people use dolls anyways. Or gear like Nirvana TT or capes, but most people dont use them anymore since Lunar is tradeable = cheaper.

They could AT LEAST make the refining aids work on everything that is untradeable, not only bound gear.

This is not even to get more money, every idiot would see they will be loosing money. There are reasons why people refused to spend cash on this game for the last months and this was always because of great mistakes made by Wanmei or in some cases, the GMs here themselves. People are willing to pay for it, usually the same people willing to pay for it since years. Many new players as well if they would just STOP to ruin the game. Or at least stop making promises and later ignoring them (10 gold issue on Morai).

I really get the feeling they want the game to die so they can work on newer ones without being responsibel for the older ones as well.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Okay, look. As long as you have bronze charms you'll be fine. Are they somewhat less efficient price-wise? Yes. Is it the end of god damn world? No.

It's not because they are less efficient price-wise, but for endgame char it's enough for few cooldowns only. You will have to spam them every minute in a tough fight. Not speaking how uncomfortable it is, sometimes you simply can't do it if stunned.
In pve it's not the end of the world, in pvp I wouldn't risk it, it expires in few minutes in the moment when you can't replace.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Please remember, that Perfect World is NOT the newest game on the block, nor is it the only game that people have installed on their computers. You cannot afford to make gargantuan mistakes like that, and fail miserably at the communication aspect.

Pretty much.

The population has already decreased a lot compared to what it was just an year ago and can't even compare to a few years ago, yet they keep making these mistakes even after repeatedly receiving feedback from the playerbase. I understand they highly depend on Wanmei/PWCN but that's still no excuse for not trying to make things better for us.

I'm still going to stick around but I lost my "passion" for the game a while ago and this recent update/change completely turned me off. Well, I'll adapt and manage with the Bronze Charms but it was still a horrible move, even moreso because they didn't announce it beforehand. That's one more reason for casual CSers (and/or good farmers/merchants) to avoid PvP and one more reason for CSers to be bored because they don't have people to play with

Heck, people even asked for Gold Charms to be added to the Event Boutique while at the same time introducing a new type of HP/MP Charms because Platinums just don't cut it for some anymore (For example, Barbarians..).

I'm honestly not agitated though. I think what I feel mostly is..sadness for seeing where this game is going and awed at the numerous wrong decisions the upper PWI/PWE management has taken, especially during the last few months starting with the "orb fiasco" thing.

I also feel bad for Mr.Soft and the GM crew who are going to have to deal with this and take all the blame because their higher ups messed up once again!

Calling Charms as they were only a p2w crutch is ridiculous, I did quite fine getting myself DQ points and being charmed at all times in nation wars even before the auto-cultivation, thank you very much!

This is seriously one of the BS changes I have ever seen this game implement. There is no rhyme or reason to it. Nobody is going to suddenly start spending tons and tons of money on silver charms in the boutique, if I wanted to spend as much as I'm using I'd of bought the platinum in the first place. They are more convenient. Combined with low token price, this makes Nation Wars completely non-profitable and not worth doing for the person who wanted to casually PVP.

Which if anything, you guys should be doing more to promote so that people will cash up and join the big leagues so to speak, once they see how fun it is.

This change in addition to making nation wars nonprofitable,makes event gold completely pointless for many people. Do you know how hard it is to get event gold, especially now? If you wanted a damn cap on how much people could get, you achieved that when you removed DQ rewards from being able to be auto-cultivated. This is just spiteful.

Another thing this completely destroyed was devaluing the hard earned gear of many, many, people. Lunar gear isn't exactly cheap, and we still had to buy d.orbs to +10 it anyway. Making it so we can refine with the same affordability as TT gear, without destroying the entire reason to use the much harder to farm gear in the first place is disgusting.

I'm extremely disgusted by the change. And the fact that China didn't consider this worth a patch note just tells me what they think of our collective intelligence. Obviously they think we're dumb. Maybe we are for putting up with this time and time again. And no, bronze charms are not good enough. Silver is the barest minimum needed to have any realistic usage in a large fight. Changing charms is a PITA in the middle of a big battle, and bronze are not accommodating of people's HP past like level 80. Let alone someone decked out in endgame gear.

So furious right now, I don't even.

If the point of this change was to kill off nation wars, devalue gear, devalue effort, make everyone mad, and alienate a large portion of the playerbase; then you really gotta give a round of applause to China. I didn't think there was much left to take from this game for the f2p crowd. But they sure did find a way.

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

It's not because they are less efficient price-wise, but for endgame char it's enough for few cooldowns only. You will have to spam them every minute in a tough fight. Not speaking how uncomfortable it is, sometimes you simply can't do it if stunned.
In pve it's not the end of the world, in pvp I wouldn't risk it, it expires in few minutes in the moment when you can't replace.

So functionally speaking, you're equipping charms 3.5x as often. Fair enough. I understand how it's a nuisance, and I'm not saying I agree with their removal. I am saying that people are blowing it way out of proportion. The refining aids thing is far more worthy of our contempt.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pretty much.

The population has already decreased a lot compared to what it was just an year ago and can't even compare to a few years ago, yet they keep making these mistakes even after repeatedly receiving feedback from the playerbase. I understand they highly depend on Wanmei/PWCN but that's still no excuse for not trying to make things better for us.

I'm still going to stick around but I lost my "passion" for the game a while ago and this recent update/change completely turned me off. Well, I'll adapt and manage with the Bronze Charms but it was still a horrible move, even moreso because they didn't announce it beforehand. That's one more reason for casual CSers (and/or good farmers/merchants) to avoid PvP and one more reason for CSers to be bored because they don't have people to play with

Heck, people even asked for Gold Charms to be added to the Event Boutique while at the same time introducing a new type of HP/MP Charms because Platinums just don't cut it for some anymore (For example, Barbarians..).

I'm honestly not agitated though. I think what I feel mostly is..sadness for seeing where this game is going and awed at the numerous wrong decisions the upper PWI/PWE management has taken, especially during the last few months starting with the "orb fiasco" thing.

I also feel bad for Mr.Soft and the GM crew who are going to have to deal with this and take all the blame because their higher ups messed up once again!

Quoting this in full because it's a much better way of phrasing the problem than that of many others in this thread.

Sparkie and his predecessors have always been the bottleneck between the problems that we face and actual resolution to them (with v4liance being the standout exception, but even he could only do so much). It's the nature of his job. I think what needs to happen is that a few long-standing members of the community get together, decide on a list of priority issues that need addressing, and then (as a group) tell Sparkie that his superiors - not he - need to respond to them directly. We've had silence from them for 5+ years. Until that changes, nothing's going to be fixed on PWE's side.

I finally see what you meant by devaluing gear. Event refinement was my one way of having somewhat decent alts gear. Refining to +3~+5. Now i can only use them on my bm, who is refined already, and won't use tisha or tienkangs again b:shocked.

All the bad moves about pwi aside, I want to know how to farm points to use event gold. Previously hitting a 50 event gold used to be a major thing. Now there is an item introduced that is 500 event gold, that means the new way of farming event gold better be quicker than farming dq items of past.

Everyone will be out for your blood sparkie b:cute, stay safe, this change will stick with you. Lots of endgame pvper who cash shop, used the free charms for their pvp endeavours. Lots of non cash shop players used the charms. Shafting both your paying members and non paying members, will be a test for you.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Another thing this completely destroyed was devaluing the hard earned gear of many, many, people. Lunar gear isn't exactly cheap, and we still had to buy d.orbs to +10 it anyway. Making it so we can refine with the same affordability as TT gear, without destroying the entire reason to use the much harder to farm gear in the first place is disgusting.

I'm extremely disgusted by the change. And the fact that China didn't consider this worth a patch note just tells me what they think of our collective intelligence. Obviously they think we're dumb. Maybe we are for putting up with this time and time again. And no, bronze charms are not good enough. Silver is the barest minimum needed to have any realistic usage in a large fight. Changing charms is a PITA in the middle of a big battle, and bronze are not accommodating of people's HP past like level 80. Let alone someone decked out in endgame gear.
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Ahh yes you're right about the gear plenty of people went for the Lunar path so they could share the gear with multiple alts/characters and now whoever wants to make that gear will either have to change for TT if they want to get the +7 refines (that's not even 100% free since it requires Mirages anyway) or..buy orbs. I'd have been pretty angry if I had just made my Lunar gear and was about to refine..

They forgot to take out ref aides also, better stack up, next maintenance they will do it...

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

I'm not gonna sit here and pay for plats when I have event gold out the ***, there are literally four useful items in the event boutique. Silver HP, Silver MP charms, Tisha stones, and Tienkang Stones.

And teleport stones.. b:avoid
Don't forget us people with addiction...at least those are safe b:laugh

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sparkie and his predecessors have always been the bottleneck between the problems that we face and actual resolution to them (with v4liance being the standout exception, but even he could only do so much). It's the nature of his job. I think what needs to happen is that a few long-standing members of the community get together, decide on a list of priority issues that need addressing, and then (as a group) tell Sparkie that his superiors - not he - need to respond to them directly. We've had silence from them for 5+ years. Until that changes, nothing's going to be fixed on PWE's side.

Perhaps it's time to pick our pitchforks and torches and pay them a visit.

Joking aside, it does make me wonder what exactly they do to take these decisions...granted a part of it is highly influenced by Wanmei/PWCN itself and we don't know how things exactly work between them.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

And teleport stones.. b:avoid
Don't forget us people with addiction...at least those are safe b:laugh

Don't give them ideas. I like being able to walk right up to a teleport master, look her in the eyes, then teleport from West Arch to North. If they take that away I just don't think I can play this game under any circumstance. b:sad

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Perhaps it's time to pick our pitchforks and torches and pay them a visit.

Joking aside, it does make me wonder what exactly they do to take these decisions...granted a part of it is highly influenced by Wanmei/PWCN itself and we don't know how things exactly work between them.

PWCN servers are all PvP, hence why a lot of things on our end may not work due to us having PvE servers. Stuff like the veno instance not working without the player being in PK mode. I can see why the silver charms might have hurt their sales/profits on charm sales. I get PWI is a business, and they're out to make money but it comes down to them continuously doing things like this. Just serious BS at the end of the day. Even if your player base may not being buying to the extent you want them to; doesn't mean you can force them to do so either. There's so little of a new player base influx to PWI, you **** over you players, you have less. This whole thing especially to a guy like me, a weekend warrior. I don't have all the time in the world to farm up enough coin for 3 Plat charms for a weekend, nor sometimes will I have the coin to afford said charms if they jump in price to 15-20m a piece. They're already at 10~12m, I only see them going up at this point; just due to demand.

I don't get why all the QQing over items in the event boutique anymore - I mean, with DQ rewards gone, how do people even -get- event gold, aside from tiny amounts if you get lucky at tigers event? If you can't get event gold, who cares what they add/remove to the event boutique, its just not even relevant.

Refining aids only work on bound gear, so what? 95% of my stuff is bound anyway. Make your s3 stuff from TT not lunar. If it's something else (s3r9, cube neck, etc etc) then it only costs a $0.50 binding charm if the ability to use ref aids from the event boutique means so much to you (I've bound my cube necks for that very reason before, so I could use the freebie ref aids that you get from reincarnating).

It is tho I must say a poor show that they never tell us what's going on, why do we never get nice comprehensive patch notes that include everything? I mean it must be because PWI staff either a) can't be bothered, b) are too busy, c) have no idea what's changed, or d) are ashamed to admit what's changed. I have no idea which of those is the truth

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been in NW fights where I've gone through 2 silvers, so this charm thing, you say we're blowing "way out of proportion" is honestly not.

Well again, where are you getting the event gold from to buy the silvers? Do you even consider that many of us have to do NW uncharmed because we don't have event gold? You know how hard it is to try to win 1v1 when your opponent is charmed but you're not? Sorry but being on the other side of the fence, I find it hard to have any sympathy for this. Less free charms just levels the playing field a bit more, from my point of view that's a good thing.

wow whats the point of removing silver charms, but leaving bronze ones?

do you want us to fill up our inventories with charms?

this is stupid\pointless

remove them at all, or leave silvers lol

to remove just silvers, but keep bronze ones its just stupid stupid stupid



bring them silver charms back... ._. or remove bronze ones aswell


who in palo alto offices is taking care of pwi title should really get his sh.t together, listen to his customers and fix things like bugs or gameplay unbalance, instead of just waking up a morning and stay: oh allright lets remove this from shop and put that. job done.

i would fire that employee in his place

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

PWCN servers are all PvP, hence why a lot of things on our end may not work due to us having PvE servers. Stuff like the veno instance not working without the player being in PK mode. I can see why the silver charms might have hurt their sales/profits on charm sales. I get PWI is a business, and they're out to make money but it comes down to them continuously doing things like this. Just serious BS at the end of the day. Even if your player base may not being buying to the extent you want them to; doesn't mean you can force them to do so either. There's so little of a new player base influx to PWI, that something like this especially to a guy like me, a weekend warrior. I don't have all the time in the world to farm up enough coin for 3 Plat charms for a weekend, nor sometimes will I have the coin to afford said charms if they jump in price to 15-20m a piece. They're already at 10~12m, I only see them going up at this point; just due to demand.

I'm aware of that. I did know about the incoming refine aids change (some patch notes someone posted here long time ago) though I wasn't sure if the charm change was also from their end but I guess it may very well be. I guess the staff don't even check what's in the patches they reveive from Wanmei? Eh.

There are way too many new MMOs and just really cool new games in general out there that they really shouldn't be making such decisions. Frankly, I've already got a list of things I want to play this summer and PWI is not on the list but I will continue to play casually* because I still have friends here and I like doing stuff with them (unless they mass ragequit after this :S)

*I guess that's a contradiction XD