Community Update [May]

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Because your wrong...


your total lack of agression and desire for conflict is why your wrong..and why the forums now are a wasteland

The forums had exodus of players because of other issues, and each one corresponded directly to in-game problems. This I know for a 100% fact. There are a few people that left because they don't like the mods, every mod team has had as such, but they are not representative of the forum at large. I know that's BS because I check the forums each and every day, multiple times a day. And I have for years. You on the other hand can't even figure out why two particular moderators post counts are too high.

this is not real world..this is a game..and people play games to be good guys and bad guys..to let loose

This is a game whose characters are controlled by people in the real world. Who are perfectly willing to spend their money elsewhere if they are allowed to be harassed, and it annoys them that PWI isn't doing anything about it. For the people who enjoy the drama, there is a time and a place for everything.

Your trying to tell people how they should think in reguards to a game...its there time

No, I'm telling people that rules are rules. And you may not break them. There is a difference. PWI has a vested interest in making sure you're not allowed to run off people and force them onto alts or out of game completely. Regardless how you feel on that matter, it makes good financial sense for PWI to not want to associate it's product with that type of behavior. That's why almost every game has made the same one. The forums are not the place for that. If you want to post, you must agree to those rules. If you choose to break them, you and and only you are responsible for the consequences of those actions.

Why do you think this game is on a steady decline ? think the forums being white washed have nothing to do with this decline ?

This game is on a steady decline because it's old, and it's P2W, and it's new player unfriendly. Not because you have to keep insults in-game. Every other game has that rule, and people still post on those forums including very well managed and popular ones. Which proves that your theory that harassment is the key to a forum and game's success is nonsense.

Keep putting your head in the sand...im sure that will fix things evintually..

My head isn't in the sand, but yours is. There is big wide gaming world out there, with all types of different success. And none of them have a "let every player harass each other" rule.

Fact is there are a bunch of middle aged or older forums Moms here..and they will not allow any of there kids to act up...problem is gamers dont want more moms..or rules..or your forced oppinions on what works and doesnt work

You signed on for those rules, nobody forced you.

How is your oppinion on what keeps a forum active any more valid than mine ?

Because mine is based on actual facts, such as looking at cross sections of different gaming forums and monitoring user activity across long periods of time. And yours is based on your feelings. Facts are facts. There is no proven positive correlation between allowing people to harass each other in-game making financial success. There are examples of how allowing it made it harder to monetize, like when youtube had to enact stronger comment rules to get more companies to pay to participate and advertising revenue. At the end of the day, PWI is a business. And there is a reason other forums don't allow it.

Im not argueing forums rules with you anyway..Mods cant change anything..you`ve told me before that if i do not agree with said rules i should try to change them'

Yea, but I dont' see let us "name and shame," or "Let us harass people," being rules that are changed anytime soon. That's against the rules in every game forum that I've ever seen.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In that case, that's where Bob would submit a ticket including his screenshots, because what he has witnessed is against the rules.

To warn faction members, you could easily PM people when they are in game and get them to help spread the word. These forums are not the place to bring up stuff like that and no GM attention is generally attained by people posting problems here.

^ This. And in the case described, nothing would be done. Not because of anything PWI did wrong, but because Bob chose to throw a hissy fit instead of doing something that could actually get the situation resolved. That's like blaming the police for not doing anything about your bike being stolen when the only you did about the situation is complain to your neighbor. They aren't everywhere at all times. Sometimes you have to do the reporting yourself. Also Bob should be perfectly capable of removing admin status from Chuck because Director should never have complete control of the website. If Bob didn't do that, that's Bob's fault and not the moderators. Bob should maybe stop blaming other people for his own mistakes.

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Harshlands server forums is stangant and sterile every thread in it can be considered a nerco offence.

Literally more than half the threads made there in the past six months were either troll threads or flame threads. The ones that weren't usually degenerated into them. It was like I was back in ****ing middle school with some of the petty **** thrown around in there.

As for now, there just simply hasn't been any real drama lately. The Dark disbanding drama has mostly died down and the rest is mostly regulated to WC fights between nobody guilds.

Locking threads because one Game charecter..accuses another Game charecter of cheating,hacks,bots AKA the famous Nameing and Shameing rule,,biggest load of **** ever

its just a way to keep things quiet..little to nothing was ever done or investigated

Nothing will ever be done about that card set because there's no SS proof. The only reason his helm got revoked was because some of the biggest CSers on the server sent in the SS that he passed around himself bragging about it. Otherwise, they would not have given a damn if F2P player #873823 or a small time CSer sent in the SS.

As for the rest of your post, the current mods are doing fine. Their modding is fine and pretty much par for the course on any big forum that has a lot of users and trying to suggest otherwise simply means you haven't been around the internet long enough, sorry.

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Well its 100% clear no Mod wants to give up any of there power..or change any rules..how about instead of argueing with me..you accept my oppinion and pass it on to the CM.



These are the most Oppressed MMO gaming forums i have seen since i sarted playing online games in 1989.

Your not going to Mod my oppinions out of me..and you huffing and puffing at my posts does little good to change my thoughts on this matter


Loosen up your grip a little ..im not saying strip it all away...to a degree name/shame rule has merit i dont want to see people run off or abused either..and i agree anyone attempting it should be made to walk a very thin line in order to keep all accusations subjective


I dont want to flame and be a butthead on these forums..im in no way promoteing that...we just need a little more freedom to express concerns..even if we cant always prove them..

Give up the power to prevent people from being falsely accused of stuff without consequence? Nah, I'm glad for that one. Other rules like the necro rule being perhaps a little looser, sure. But no, I'm sorry I cannot agree that a mod should allow naming and shaming. And you are in fact promoting that. Because there is not a way to separate the false accusations from the real ones without proof.

If you want to address concerns in a way that isn't flaming, you're able to post them. The vast majority of such threads are left open.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Give up the power to prevent people from being falsely accused of stuff without consequence? Nah, I'm glad for that one. Other rules like the necro rule being perhaps a little looser, sure. But no, I'm sorry I cannot agree that a mod should allow naming and shaming. And you are in fact promoting that. Because there is not a way to separate the false accusations from the real ones without proof.

If you want to address concerns in a way that isn't flaming, you're able to post them. The vast majority of such threads are left open.

Yah I think the necro rule should be loosened. If the information is still relevant then I don't think it always in the best interests to create another whole new post on the subject if the necro post contains the information needed, even if it requires a little bit of updating. Sure if the necro has nothing relevant or the info is outdated then closing and new post would be better. It shouldn't always be oh necro! Close it quick.

XXxICExXx - Morai wrote: »

Yah I think the necro rule should be loosened. If the information is still relevant then I don't think it always in the best interests to create another whole new post on the subject if the necro post contains the information needed, even if it requires a little bit of updating. Sure if the necro has nothing relevant or the info is outdated then closing and new post would be better. It shouldn't always be oh necro! Close it quick.

I actually think that even if it's relevant information, since it's hard to discuss with people who aren't posting anymore, it's a smart rule. And seeing mostly relevant stuff but some irrelevant stuff can be confusing for new players. I've seen that happen many times. But like for example, if a thread is still on the first page, maybe it'd be smart to have an exemption, like if we closed it someone could say "But it was on the first page!" and we could reopen it. the problem with it ofc is that 99.9% of necros contain irrelevant information, are from people you can't discuss things with anymore, or aren't even on the topic of the thread. Like people use the search button and then just pick the first thread that pops up even though it doesn't actually have anything to do with the issue they are having. A lot of people also just post things like "necro!" and that isn't contributing anything.

But every once in a while we'll get one where we strongly encourage someone to repost the information so it can be discussed privately. If they can't make new threads, we make them ourselves and move their post to that one. And OFC who are we to decide what's relevant or not beyond guides, which already get an exception? By having it just cut and dry, it removes opinion from whether or not it's good or bad. So I do think the necro rule needs to be around, and in objective way, but maybe another exception can be added.

And what your basicly saying is you dont care what people do in game..as long as no-one breaks your forum rules..


Your saying those 300 people being abused and run out of the game..or the fake bids that cause the death of TW and a prime reason many people used to play...doesnt matter

there is nothing that can be done here then..come here and read up on maint updates and youtube links but keep that in game stuff in game..


sorry i was hoping for more..maybe Sparkie has something to say

Anything can be considered a Tos Violation..seriously have you read that thing ? no charecter is property of anyone..they all belong to PWI..and TOS covers everything


So ToS is fully enforced...this is what your saying ?

Trust in PWI to enforce the ToS in a timely mannor ?

None of this has worked guys....the people circomventing the rules still are doing it to this day


No amount of tickets changes anything due to the fact nothing can be proven not with any ammount of certinty

not in reguards to issues that hide behind lack of knowledge..knowledge 100% not allowed anywhere on these forums at any time..

even with people posting tickets..it takes months and months for issues like that card set to even come to light...if they ever do..and by then the distrust in the effectivness of your system has discouraged anyone else from attempting it

i disagree..i think the players that come here shape and move there respected servers..if the info got out to them all at once


and they were allowed to think there owns oppinions on the topic


They would settle the issue..or dismiss it


you have no faith in anyone..i still have a little faith in these people...the players who come here for the most part care and alot come here that care ..but dare not post for they have seen what others faced in a effort to bring about a tiny fraction of change

I agree venus..then limit it only to matters involveing TW factions..or things that might involve the fair play of hundreds not just one or two..or a scammer stealing someone arms etc little can prove but anyone actually playing can see for themselves if they only knew to look.

No people shouldnt be able to accuse others of actual things like scamming etc..if you have proof send it to GM`s ..they will handle it

But conspiracys by nature are damn near unprovable..and there are some big ones going on now


but the more people talk about or notice them..the more they loose there power and fade away

there was an event that ruined the TW for hundreds of people and changed the entire outcome of a years TW on harshlands..we were not allowed to talk about it..


It happened ..the people to blame got the desired results when they needed them..waited a few weeks..took there small slap on the wrist


and watched 50% of there enemy quit the game


this has happened over and over on the harshlands server.....and usually by the same exact people who did the above....but even after multiple bannings


theyre still here and in control and killing all competition anyway they can

Grats ToS..you rules would be awesome..if only enforceable

well it has to be one or the other Venus..either you let the players police the game


Or PWI enforces the ToS

those are really the only two options left for PWI

and im sorry..i have no faith in PWI`s ability to enforce the ToS..i`d rather try for the possible even if only very slim..and thats with players policeing it with Mod supervission

it would require more from the mods..i know

but i know you all love the game too..i want competition back...i want to know why one person can jump into an enmy TW faction and be leader in 30 min..then jump back to his original faction and be lead there an hour later..


we see this **** on harshlands..over and over and over.we went from 10-15 TW a week to 3-4 MAX.. and those are always pre-desided

there is no way to fight back agianst this

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

well it has to be one or the other Venus..either you let the players police the game


Or PWI enforces the ToS

those are really the only two options left for PWI

and im sorry..i have no faith in PWI`s ability to enforce the ToS..i`d rather try for the possible even if only very slim..and thats with players policeing it with Mod supervission

And how would Mod's police it when it is impossible for mods to know everything about everyone, and even if they were from your server, to know the truth of the matter? That's what happens without needing proof. The only way to tell a lie from the truth is through proof. Anything else is he said, she said. What you're asking for is the same as asking for innocent people to have the game completely ruined for them, so you can get revenge for a wrong doing without having to take a little time to talk to the proper authorities on the matter about it.

Let's take a look at the card issue.

When no proof was offered, and nothing usable for investigation was used, the first time it was posted. What good came from it? A few people iwere insulted and that was it.

Since you were accusing the ticket staff of impropriety, obviously you can't take that to the ticket staff. So the person you should've been talking to was someone not affiliated with it who was in a position to do something about it. That person was Sparkie.

Once it was brought up in a way that followed the rules, and PMs were sent, we alerted Sparkiesoft to it. He collected proof. And the issue was investigated. It sounds like it wasn't resolved 100% to your liking but it was dealt with.

Which produced better results? The name and shame and flames the first time. Or a few months later when it was reported properly?

And yea, the ticket system isn't always the best at dealing with abusers. That's been proven time and time again. But that isn't a reason to open the door for innocent people to have the game ruined for them.

Honestly i never knew it was investigated or resolved..i just knew of the issue


glad to hear something came of it..maybe the fact that people broke the rules enough talking about it kept the topic alive long enough for sparkie to become our CM and get a chance to do something about it


what would have happened had everyone followed the rules and didnt ask about it in these forums ?


likely nothing

you just proved how name/shame can work and get results.

can it be miss used ..yes..did it work in this case..actually yeah..cause the event happened long before Sparkie got here

only people violateing your forums rules asking about it brought it to his attendtion..and "His" call for tickets and info on it..got it adressed

I agree Son`s ..i wouldnt ticket or report that either man



that effects 1 maybe 2 people


dude the stuff im talking about has driven away thousands....i know it cant be used for that ****


I 100% agree with you


but it can be used to prevent these kinds of unjustices that have transpired far too long on all of these servers due to slow or no ToS inforncement

this very event would have never been addressed had it not been for breaking this Rule

i would tell you exactly when Eoria but im not allowed to name and shame remember thats the whole point of this thread..Mods locking closeing threads..forums rules etc..


Im not allowed to talk about this stuff and you damn well know it..bait much ?

even with my puny post count im not going to fall for that one hun..hehe nice try though..*hugs*

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Honestly i never knew it was investigated or resolved..i just knew of the issue


glad to hear something came of it..maybe the fact that people broke the rules enough talking about it kept the topic alive long enough for sparkie to become our CM and get a chance to do something about it


what would have happened had everyone followed the rules and didnt ask about it in these forums ?


likely nothing

you just proved how name/shame can work and get results.

can it be miss used ..yes..did it work in this case..actually yeah..cause the event happened long before Sparkie got here

only people violateing your forums rules asking about it brought it to his attendtion..and "His" call for tickets and info on it..got it adressed

I agree Son`s ..i wouldnt ticket or report that either man



that effects 1 maybe 2 people


dude the stuff im talking about has driven away thousands....i know it cant be used for that ****


I 100% agree with you


but it can be used to prevent these kinds of unjustices that have transpired far too long on all of these servers due to slow or no ToS inforncement

this very event would have never been addressed had it not been for breaking this Rule

Not sure what the issue was concerning your server but u cant have one rule for yours and a differnt rule for everything else. Seems Sparkie got involved and things were looked at and that could easily been achieved by PMing him proof in the first place rather than naming and shaming on forums. He seems a good bloke and keen on improving the experience and game. hence why he stopped the post and asked for proof to be mailed to him about the Morai issue with ppl falsely pretending to have gear they didnt have before maint only to be given it after