Community Update [May]

ovenusarmanio

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Because your wrong...


your total lack of agression and desire for conflict is why your wrong..and why the forums now are a wasteland

The forums had exodus of players because of other issues, and each one corresponded directly to in-game problems. This I know for a 100% fact. There are a few people that left because they don't like the mods, every mod team has had as such, but they are not representative of the forum at large. I know that's BS because I check the forums each and every day, multiple times a day. And I have for years. You on the other hand can't even figure out why two particular moderators post counts are too high.

this is not real world..this is a game..and people play games to be good guys and bad guys..to let loose

This is a game whose characters are controlled by people in the real world. Who are perfectly willing to spend their money elsewhere if they are allowed to be harassed, and it annoys them that PWI isn't doing anything about it. For the people who enjoy the drama, there is a time and a place for everything.

Your trying to tell people how they should think in reguards to a game...its there time

No, I'm telling people that rules are rules. And you may not break them. There is a difference. PWI has a vested interest in making sure you're not allowed to run off people and force them onto alts or out of game completely. Regardless how you feel on that matter, it makes good financial sense for PWI to not want to associate it's product with that type of behavior. That's why almost every game has made the same one. The forums are not the place for that. If you want to post, you must agree to those rules. If you choose to break them, you and and only you are responsible for the consequences of those actions.

Why do you think this game is on a steady decline ? think the forums being white washed have nothing to do with this decline ?

This game is on a steady decline because it's old, and it's P2W, and it's new player unfriendly. Not because you have to keep insults in-game. Every other game has that rule, and people still post on those forums including very well managed and popular ones. Which proves that your theory that harassment is the key to a forum and game's success is nonsense.

Keep putting your head in the sand...im sure that will fix things evintually..

My head isn't in the sand, but yours is. There is big wide gaming world out there, with all types of different success. And none of them have a "let every player harass each other" rule.

Fact is there are a bunch of middle aged or older forums Moms here..and they will not allow any of there kids to act up...problem is gamers dont want more moms..or rules..or your forced oppinions on what works and doesnt work

You signed on for those rules, nobody forced you.

How is your oppinion on what keeps a forum active any more valid than mine ?

Because mine is based on actual facts, such as looking at cross sections of different gaming forums and monitoring user activity across long periods of time. And yours is based on your feelings. Facts are facts. There is no proven positive correlation between allowing people to harass each other in-game making financial success. There are examples of how allowing it made it harder to monetize, like when youtube had to enact stronger comment rules to get more companies to pay to participate and advertising revenue. At the end of the day, PWI is a business. And there is a reason other forums don't allow it.

Im not argueing forums rules with you anyway..Mods cant change anything..you`ve told me before that if i do not agree with said rules i should try to change them'

Yea, but I dont' see let us "name and shame," or "Let us harass people," being rules that are changed anytime soon. That's against the rules in every game forum that I've ever seen.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In that case, that's where Bob would submit a ticket including his screenshots, because what he has witnessed is against the rules.

To warn faction members, you could easily PM people when they are in game and get them to help spread the word. These forums are not the place to bring up stuff like that and no GM attention is generally attained by people posting problems here.

^ This. And in the case described, nothing would be done. Not because of anything PWI did wrong, but because Bob chose to throw a hissy fit instead of doing something that could actually get the situation resolved. That's like blaming the police for not doing anything about your bike being stolen when the only you did about the situation is complain to your neighbor. They aren't everywhere at all times. Sometimes you have to do the reporting yourself. Also Bob should be perfectly capable of removing admin status from Chuck because Director should never have complete control of the website. If Bob didn't do that, that's Bob's fault and not the moderators. Bob should maybe stop blaming other people for his own mistakes.

Temeilion - Harshlands

Well its 100% clear no Mod wants to give up any of there power..or change any rules..how about instead of argueing with me..you accept my oppinion and pass it on to the CM.



These are the most Oppressed MMO gaming forums i have seen since i sarted playing online games in 1989.

Your not going to Mod my oppinions out of me..and you huffing and puffing at my posts does little good to change my thoughts on this matter


Loosen up your grip a little ..im not saying strip it all away...to a degree name/shame rule has merit i dont want to see people run off or abused either..and i agree anyone attempting it should be made to walk a very thin line in order to keep all accusations subjective


I dont want to flame and be a butthead on these forums..im in no way promoteing that...we just need a little more freedom to express concerns..even if we cant always prove them..

Eoria - Harshlands

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Harshlands server forums is stangant and sterile every thread in it can be considered a nerco offence.

Literally more than half the threads made there in the past six months were either troll threads or flame threads. The ones that weren't usually degenerated into them. It was like I was back in ****ing middle school with some of the petty **** thrown around in there.

As for now, there just simply hasn't been any real drama lately. The Dark disbanding drama has mostly died down and the rest is mostly regulated to WC fights between nobody guilds.

Locking threads because one Game charecter..accuses another Game charecter of cheating,hacks,bots AKA the famous Nameing and Shameing rule,,biggest load of **** ever

its just a way to keep things quiet..little to nothing was ever done or investigated

Nothing will ever be done about that card set because there's no SS proof. The only reason his helm got revoked was because some of the biggest CSers on the server sent in the SS that he passed around himself bragging about it. Otherwise, they would not have given a damn if F2P player #873823 or a small time CSer sent in the SS.

As for the rest of your post, the current mods are doing fine. Their modding is fine and pretty much par for the course on any big forum that has a lot of users and trying to suggest otherwise simply means you haven't been around the internet long enough, sorry.

XXxICExXx - Morai

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

No its simply a mass place for people to find out a possible truth..and its always stiffled

See this is where it becomes unhinged! Bob comes here to warn ppl, chuck comes here to deny it, bob provides proof with the file extension .psd (photoshop image in case anyone was confused ) that you have already admitted can easily be doctored.

Nobody is any further forward, the naming and shaming has achieved nothing. If that accusation was actually false it could kill perfectly good and non rule breaking faction.

The forum should back the game up and provide factual and helpful information about the game. It shouldn't be for personal vendettas. God we see enough of that in WC!

I seriously don't think ppl leave the game cause the forums are considered "****" (although I like the forums and usually read daily too) if I considered the forums to have declined I'd just stop coming I wouldn't stop playing the game. I think if u allowed anarchy on the forums, naming and shaming, flaming and general troll activity then that would actually lead to ppl leaving the game

ovenusarmanio

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Well its 100% clear no Mod wants to give up any of there power..or change any rules..how about instead of argueing with me..you accept my oppinion and pass it on to the CM.



These are the most Oppressed MMO gaming forums i have seen since i sarted playing online games in 1989.

Your not going to Mod my oppinions out of me..and you huffing and puffing at my posts does little good to change my thoughts on this matter


Loosen up your grip a little ..im not saying strip it all away...to a degree name/shame rule has merit i dont want to see people run off or abused either..and i agree anyone attempting it should be made to walk a very thin line in order to keep all accusations subjective


I dont want to flame and be a butthead on these forums..im in no way promoteing that...we just need a little more freedom to express concerns..even if we cant always prove them..

Give up the power to prevent people from being falsely accused of stuff without consequence? Nah, I'm glad for that one. Other rules like the necro rule being perhaps a little looser, sure. But no, I'm sorry I cannot agree that a mod should allow naming and shaming. And you are in fact promoting that. Because there is not a way to separate the false accusations from the real ones without proof.

If you want to address concerns in a way that isn't flaming, you're able to post them. The vast majority of such threads are left open.

Temeilion - Harshlands

as Eoria said..weeks on harshlands forums with no posts


Yes the mods do perfect work..with these current rules they do exaclty what there asked too..im not argueing the effectivness of these Mod`s..if anything i`d trust them more to use the rules a bit more as they see fit at times..allowing more if said right..and less if said wrong.

the mods play the game..even if not on my server they understand alot of the concerns and how hard things can be to prove..but they also are smart enough to know when storys have a hint of truth in them..and information that might need to come out.

Rules cant be blindly followed cause this always leads to abuse by those who can get away within the rules frame work

the rules must be at some point flexible enough to backfire on those hiding behind them


Ohh and asking Bob to be calm and lvl headed after finding out over a year of his hard work and his friends and all the effort they put into something was all a lie...Bob would first probably confront Chuck..to see if alligations were correct..then Chuck knows the gig is up and removes Bobs admin powers...anyone smart enough to manipulate 300 people daily...has np keeping ahead of Bob`s upset ****..

XXxICExXx - Morai

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Give up the power to prevent people from being falsely accused of stuff without consequence? Nah, I'm glad for that one. Other rules like the necro rule being perhaps a little looser, sure. But no, I'm sorry I cannot agree that a mod should allow naming and shaming. And you are in fact promoting that. Because there is not a way to separate the false accusations from the real ones without proof.

If you want to address concerns in a way that isn't flaming, you're able to post them. The vast majority of such threads are left open.

Yah I think the necro rule should be loosened. If the information is still relevant then I don't think it always in the best interests to create another whole new post on the subject if the necro post contains the information needed, even if it requires a little bit of updating. Sure if the necro has nothing relevant or the info is outdated then closing and new post would be better. It shouldn't always be oh necro! Close it quick.

Temeilion - Harshlands

Ahh perfect example

ovenusarmanio

XXxICExXx - Morai wrote: »

Yah I think the necro rule should be loosened. If the information is still relevant then I don't think it always in the best interests to create another whole new post on the subject if the necro post contains the information needed, even if it requires a little bit of updating. Sure if the necro has nothing relevant or the info is outdated then closing and new post would be better. It shouldn't always be oh necro! Close it quick.

I actually think that even if it's relevant information, since it's hard to discuss with people who aren't posting anymore, it's a smart rule. And seeing mostly relevant stuff but some irrelevant stuff can be confusing for new players. I've seen that happen many times. But like for example, if a thread is still on the first page, maybe it'd be smart to have an exemption, like if we closed it someone could say "But it was on the first page!" and we could reopen it. the problem with it ofc is that 99.9% of necros contain irrelevant information, are from people you can't discuss things with anymore, or aren't even on the topic of the thread. Like people use the search button and then just pick the first thread that pops up even though it doesn't actually have anything to do with the issue they are having. A lot of people also just post things like "necro!" and that isn't contributing anything.

But every once in a while we'll get one where we strongly encourage someone to repost the information so it can be discussed privately. If they can't make new threads, we make them ourselves and move their post to that one. And OFC who are we to decide what's relevant or not beyond guides, which already get an exception? By having it just cut and dry, it removes opinion from whether or not it's good or bad. So I do think the necro rule needs to be around, and in objective way, but maybe another exception can be added.

opkossy

One thing I find humorous about all this... is you're insisting we should ease up our adherence to the rules and our willingness to let things slide... when we already do that to a very large degree. We've had multiple threads about us being too nice and giving people too many chances several times as is. Even when we completely disagreed with the person we were giving chances to. That's not exactly the way people who supposedly have an iron grip on the forums and brag about trying to edit/delete/move threads would act, now is it? In fact, it's the complete opposite of the picture you seem to be painting.

As for what a gaming forum looks like that follows what you seem to be implying we should do... look no further than the Rusty Hearts forum (currently NSFW if you spend enough time looking through there). Mods? Nonexistent... and yet strangely it's nothing near the type of haven you seem to be implying a lack of moderation would cause. There's a reason that you'll be hard pressed to find a successful MMO forum with rules that aren't at least similar to the ones present here. It works and it works for a reason.

Temeilion - Harshlands

And what your basicly saying is you dont care what people do in game..as long as no-one breaks your forum rules..


Your saying those 300 people being abused and run out of the game..or the fake bids that cause the death of TW and a prime reason many people used to play...doesnt matter

there is nothing that can be done here then..come here and read up on maint updates and youtube links but keep that in game stuff in game..


sorry i was hoping for more..maybe Sparkie has something to say

ovenusarmanio

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

And what your basicly saying is you dont care what people do in game..as long as no-one breaks your forum rules..


Your saying those 300 people being abused and run out of the game..or the fake bids that cause the death of TW and a prime reason many people used to play...doesnt matter

there is nothing that can be done here then..come here and read up on maint updates and youtube links but keep that in game stuff in game..


sorry i was hoping for more..maybe Sparkie has something to say

No, that's not what we're saying at all. That's a pretty asinine assumption to make about someone who is also a player and thus is effected by the same types of issues you are when they play the game. I'm saying there is a time and place for everything. I'm saying you should submit a ticket if you feel someone breaking the rules is interrupting your enjoyment of the game. Or if you want to solve it by talking it out, why not actually come approach them and talk it out like adults in-game? There is no reason that can't happen in-game.

And again, unless it's accusation of a TOS violation, you are free to discuss any other issue in-game on the forums, provided there isn't constant flames at one another. And if you don't have self-control, and can't bring it up without a bunch of belittling attacks, then that isn't anyone else's fault but your own.

Temeilion - Harshlands

Anything can be considered a Tos Violation..seriously have you read that thing ? no charecter is property of anyone..they all belong to PWI..and TOS covers everything


So ToS is fully enforced...this is what your saying ?

Trust in PWI to enforce the ToS in a timely mannor ?

None of this has worked guys....the people circomventing the rules still are doing it to this day


No amount of tickets changes anything due to the fact nothing can be proven not with any ammount of certinty

not in reguards to issues that hide behind lack of knowledge..knowledge 100% not allowed anywhere on these forums at any time..

even with people posting tickets..it takes months and months for issues like that card set to even come to light...if they ever do..and by then the distrust in the effectivness of your system has discouraged anyone else from attempting it

SonofAnarchy - Dreamweaver

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Anything can be considered a Tos Violation..seriously have you read that thing ? no charecter is property of anyone..they all belong to PWI..and TOS covers everything


So ToS is fully enforced...this is what your saying ?

Trust in PWI to enforce the ToS in a timely mannor ?

None of this has worked guys....the people circomventing the rules still are doing it to this day


No amount of tickets changes anything due to the fact nothing can be proven not with any ammount of certinty

not in reguards to issues that hide behind lack of knowledge..knowledge 100% not allowed anywhere on these forums at any time..

You are a wholly owned subsidiary of PWE b:chuckle ppl do circumvent the rules, its very annoying but in the grand scheme of things i try not to let it bother me too much. There is a process for you to report that, again if that process is flawed it isn't the forums or the mods to blame, nor would coming here to shame ppl fix the problem.

Temeilion - Harshlands

i disagree..i think the players that come here shape and move there respected servers..if the info got out to them all at once


and they were allowed to think there owns oppinions on the topic


They would settle the issue..or dismiss it


you have no faith in anyone..i still have a little faith in these people...the players who come here for the most part care and alot come here that care ..but dare not post for they have seen what others faced in a effort to bring about a tiny fraction of change

ovenusarmanio

I don't think you'll hear any moderator saying the ticket system works 100%.But there is no way to stop false accusations from utterly destroying innocent people's reputations, when you don't even need proof. You can just grab your faction mates or friends to agree with you and it's considered a valid. The harm such a rule would cause, far outweighs the good. And there is not a single way to stop it either. If you open that door, somebody innocent WILL have their reputation damaged based on a personal vendetta and not on truth. That's a natural consequence. It never fails. There is good and bad consequences to every people based rule, because nobody is perfect and there is good and bad everywhere. Acknowledging that has nothing to do with faith.

Temeilion - Harshlands

I agree venus..then limit it only to matters involveing TW factions..or things that might involve the fair play of hundreds not just one or two..or a scammer stealing someone arms etc little can prove but anyone actually playing can see for themselves if they only knew to look.

No people shouldnt be able to accuse others of actual things like scamming etc..if you have proof send it to GM`s ..they will handle it

But conspiracys by nature are damn near unprovable..and there are some big ones going on now


but the more people talk about or notice them..the more they loose there power and fade away

SonofAnarchy - Dreamweaver

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

i disagree..i think the players that come here shape and move there respected servers..if the info got out to them all at once


and they were allowed to think there owns oppinions on the topic


They would settle the issue..or dismiss it


you have no faith in anyone..i still have a little faith in these people...the players who come here for the most part care and alot come here that care ..but dare not post for they have seen what others faced in a effort to bring about a tiny fraction of change

They have seen ppl shot down and ridiculed for their views, by the very things you want to allow, this is why ppl dont post here, they know their post will be hijacked and derailed and trolled to death.

I have faith in many things, PWI/PWE is something i enjoy daily, it saddens me that one day it will die, (then i will have no excuse but to go do something constructive) but such is life. Allowing the things YOU want isn't necessarily going to make the game better, nor is allowing naming and shaming and a relaxation of forum rules. Can you imagine if a new person to the game was to come to forums and see a load of flaming, naming and shaming etc - do you think they would stick around?

(sorry for continuity ICE is me, I signed into my main account and cant be bothered to change b:chuckle )

Temeilion - Harshlands

there was an event that ruined the TW for hundreds of people and changed the entire outcome of a years TW on harshlands..we were not allowed to talk about it..


It happened ..the people to blame got the desired results when they needed them..waited a few weeks..took there small slap on the wrist


and watched 50% of there enemy quit the game


this has happened over and over on the harshlands server.....and usually by the same exact people who did the above....but even after multiple bannings


theyre still here and in control and killing all competition anyway they can

Grats ToS..you rules would be awesome..if only enforceable

ovenusarmanio

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

I agree venus..then limit it only to matters involveing TW factions..or things that might involve the fair play of hundreds not just one or two..or a scammer stealing someone arms etc little can prove but anyone actually playing can see for themselves if they only knew to look.

No people shouldnt be able to accuse others of actual things like scamming etc..if you have proof send it to GM`s ..they will handle it

But conspiracys by nature are damn near unprovable..and there are some big ones going on now


but the more people talk about or notice them..the more they loose there power and fade away

People throw around false accusations about TW factions everyday. It would become a tactic to discredit other factions on the forums if that was allowed. You know that as well as I do. Maybe your faction wouldn't do it. By I've seen it being done. I was in a TW faction once, and that made me supposedly a noob who had only ever been in FC. Who should not be squadded with. And a thief. IT didn't matter that I was never that into FC, that I had been here since before it even existed, or that i have an intense hatred of stealing and I have doubts I could do it to save my life. All that mattered was that I was in that faction. And that's type of things that that would happen on forums too, where it's a lot less likely to just die than just some smack talk in squad chat or world chat.

Already there have been things like ticket wars on HL and other servers. If people are willing to risk getting banned themselves for false ticketing to deploy the tactic of destroying a faction from the inside, do you think that people would not fail to do that when they don't even need proof and the consequences of lying non-existent?

As for scammers, if you have proof, and you submit at ticket. They do ban for that. Not as consistently as they should, but I know for a 100% fact that they do. I've even shutdown name and shames before they got many views, told that person to submit a ticket, and then seen the person who did the scamming come here to claim they were banned for "no reason," and demanded that PWI open their account. Even though they had been caught red-handed.

If the person doesn't have proof, there is a good chance that didn't even happen. For example, we've all seen jilted exes claiming various gifts were "****," or "stolen," as revenge for being dumped.

When it's done in private through the ticket system, the GMs can often get to the truth of the matter. If it's true, they can ban the person. IF it isn't, they can leave it alone. And that person can go about their business and still enjoy the game without a damaged reputation. But when it's allowed to be on the forums without any proof, it's something that person may have to constantly deal with even if they did not do it.

The truth of the matter is, while I don't deny that means sometimes people who absolutely deserve it get away with stuff. The harm done by allowing it hurts more people, including innocent ones, than it solves.

And again, you can discuss any TW issue that doesn't involve TOS violations until your heart's content so long as you keep the flames under control. If you can't, then that's your own fault and not the moderators.

Temeilion - Harshlands

well it has to be one or the other Venus..either you let the players police the game


Or PWI enforces the ToS

those are really the only two options left for PWI

and im sorry..i have no faith in PWI`s ability to enforce the ToS..i`d rather try for the possible even if only very slim..and thats with players policeing it with Mod supervission

it would require more from the mods..i know

but i know you all love the game too..i want competition back...i want to know why one person can jump into an enmy TW faction and be leader in 30 min..then jump back to his original faction and be lead there an hour later..


we see this **** on harshlands..over and over and over.we went from 10-15 TW a week to 3-4 MAX.. and those are always pre-desided

there is no way to fight back agianst this

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

While I do enjoy a bit of drama or even anarchy breaking out here and there, it shouldn't be a regular thing....otherwise it would become the usual and make even that become boring. The only thing I truly believe needs to be adjusted is the whole forum necro rule.

ovenusarmanio

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

well it has to be one or the other Venus..either you let the players police the game


Or PWI enforces the ToS

those are really the only two options left for PWI

and im sorry..i have no faith in PWI`s ability to enforce the ToS..i`d rather try for the possible even if only very slim..and thats with players policeing it with Mod supervission

And how would Mod's police it when it is impossible for mods to know everything about everyone, and even if they were from your server, to know the truth of the matter? That's what happens without needing proof. The only way to tell a lie from the truth is through proof. Anything else is he said, she said. What you're asking for is the same as asking for innocent people to have the game completely ruined for them, so you can get revenge for a wrong doing without having to take a little time to talk to the proper authorities on the matter about it.

Let's take a look at the card issue.

When no proof was offered, and nothing usable for investigation was used, the first time it was posted. What good came from it? A few people iwere insulted and that was it.

Since you were accusing the ticket staff of impropriety, obviously you can't take that to the ticket staff. So the person you should've been talking to was someone not affiliated with it who was in a position to do something about it. That person was Sparkie.

Once it was brought up in a way that followed the rules, and PMs were sent, we alerted Sparkiesoft to it. He collected proof. And the issue was investigated. It sounds like it wasn't resolved 100% to your liking but it was dealt with.

Which produced better results? The name and shame and flames the first time. Or a few months later when it was reported properly?

And yea, the ticket system isn't always the best at dealing with abusers. That's been proven time and time again. But that isn't a reason to open the door for innocent people to have the game ruined for them.

SonofAnarchy - Dreamweaver

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

there was an event that ruined the TW for hundreds of people and changed the entire outcome of a years TW on harshlands..we were not allowed to talk about it..


It happened ..the people to blame got the desired results when they needed them..waited a few weeks..took there small slap on the wrist


and watched 50% of there enemy quit the game


this has happened over and over on the harshlands server.....and usually by the same exact people who did the above....but even after multiple bannings


theyre still here and in control and killing all competition anyway they can

Grats ToS..you rules would be awesome..if only enforceable

I feel ur pain to an extent. Hark back to a certain +10 orb fiasco, ppl broke the rules, plain and simple, they weren't punished past 2 week bans even though PWI/E knew who they were, I knew a couple of abusers, I still dont think naming them on forums wouldve been a good idea, even if the rules allowed such a thing.

Take for instance on certain server there is rumoured to be a player who bought a OP archer character from another player. Does it break the rules? Yes! do i want to name and shame them? No, because to do so would only be jealousy, just cause he had a spare couple of thousand to buy a OP toon doesnt make him a bad guy or the devil and to out him on forums would actually speak more about me than him!

Temeilion - Harshlands

Honestly i never knew it was investigated or resolved..i just knew of the issue


glad to hear something came of it..maybe the fact that people broke the rules enough talking about it kept the topic alive long enough for sparkie to become our CM and get a chance to do something about it


what would have happened had everyone followed the rules and didnt ask about it in these forums ?


likely nothing

you just proved how name/shame can work and get results.

can it be miss used ..yes..did it work in this case..actually yeah..cause the event happened long before Sparkie got here

only people violateing your forums rules asking about it brought it to his attendtion..and "His" call for tickets and info on it..got it adressed

I agree Son`s ..i wouldnt ticket or report that either man



that effects 1 maybe 2 people


dude the stuff im talking about has driven away thousands....i know it cant be used for that ****


I 100% agree with you


but it can be used to prevent these kinds of unjustices that have transpired far too long on all of these servers due to slow or no ToS inforncement

this very event would have never been addressed had it not been for breaking this Rule

Eoria - Harshlands

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

but i know you all love the game too..i want competition back...i want to know why one person can jump into an enmy TW faction and be leader in 30 min..then jump back to his original faction and be lead there an hour later..

When has this ever happened? Seriously.

we see this **** on harshlands..over and over and over.we went from 10-15 TW a week to 3-4 MAX.. and those are always pre-desided

there is no way to fight back agianst this

This is because people quit for various reasons (usually due to RL stuff or they just get bored and find a game they like better) and guilds dissolve. Ideally, guilds should be dissolving and new ones with different names and leadership should spring forth on a pretty regular timeframe (say 2-4 TW seasons or so) to keep things interesting. ofc, if you're saying it should happen to us, I can only point out at least two or three other guilds that have been around longer and deserve the axe more.

Temeilion - Harshlands

i would tell you exactly when Eoria but im not allowed to name and shame remember thats the whole point of this thread..Mods locking closeing threads..forums rules etc..


Im not allowed to talk about this stuff and you damn well know it..bait much ?

even with my puny post count im not going to fall for that one hun..hehe nice try though..*hugs*

opkossy

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

i would tell you exactly when Eoria but im not allowed to name and shame remember thats the whole point of this thread..


Im not allowed to talk about this stuff and you damn well know it..bait much ?

It's called "taking it to PMs."

Which you ignored when acting as though naming and shaming brought forth any results on the matter Venus gave an example of. The naming and shaming did absolutely nothing constructive in the matter. However, sending in a PM with information and details to prompt an investigation, which is what should have happened in the first place, did provide results. Had everyone followed the rules and either submitted a ticket on the matter or sent PMs with relevant information on the matter, it would have been resolved sooner.

SonofAnarchy - Dreamweaver

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Honestly i never knew it was investigated or resolved..i just knew of the issue


glad to hear something came of it..maybe the fact that people broke the rules enough talking about it kept the topic alive long enough for sparkie to become our CM and get a chance to do something about it


what would have happened had everyone followed the rules and didnt ask about it in these forums ?


likely nothing

you just proved how name/shame can work and get results.

can it be miss used ..yes..did it work in this case..actually yeah..cause the event happened long before Sparkie got here

only people violateing your forums rules asking about it brought it to his attendtion..and "His" call for tickets and info on it..got it adressed

I agree Son`s ..i wouldnt ticket or report that either man



that effects 1 maybe 2 people


dude the stuff im talking about has driven away thousands....i know it cant be used for that ****


I 100% agree with you


but it can be used to prevent these kinds of unjustices that have transpired far too long on all of these servers due to slow or no ToS inforncement

this very event would have never been addressed had it not been for breaking this Rule

Not sure what the issue was concerning your server but u cant have one rule for yours and a differnt rule for everything else. Seems Sparkie got involved and things were looked at and that could easily been achieved by PMing him proof in the first place rather than naming and shaming on forums. He seems a good bloke and keen on improving the experience and game. hence why he stopped the post and asked for proof to be mailed to him about the Morai issue with ppl falsely pretending to have gear they didnt have before maint only to be given it after

Temeilion - Harshlands

Tickets were sumbitted at the time..and many times..


It was brought up on these forums a few times and the knowledge was kept alive long enough for someone who actually cares to show up


then Sparkie said he would look into it..some thing no Mod or forums admin ever said


thats when people came forward and the info was sent the correct way..agian..months after the initial offence

come on Mods lets not twist all the info and timeing to make it look otherwise


But had it been your way..no-one would have remembered the event by the time Sparkie became our CM