Clerics. What pisses you guys off or annoys you when your in a squad?

Yuuniee - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Read carefully, he said at the beginning of the run, he was just waiting there for doing nothing until everyone is there so he can use squad buffs. He could've buffed them one by one if needed. And of course saving majority of the squads is more important than just trying to save just one. But if the rest of the squads haven't arrived yet, shouldn't he just use individual buffs and try to save person who was endanger themselves to clear some of the paths for the whole squad. You should be grateful for those individuals that willing to take risk of trying to get the run done faster. Sit at the starting point all you want, not everyone will enter the instance at the same time. And if one person isn't going to wait, I doubt the rest of the squad will wait. So sit there all you want, and say "get back here for buffs".

It's not so much a problem now anymore - reborns sometimes rush ahead and clear a few things without trouble. But my peeve came from some BH69 runs from before Horizons time - when folk in that run usually were lower level and lower geared chars. Who subsequently get themselves killed dead-smack in the middle of a group of mobs before the rest of the squad is even there.

You also misunderstood my second peeve. Folk who say "buffs please", then rush off on holy path to do a pull before they are buffed. So if I holypath after them and cast my buffs, the aggro ends up being on me.

Also, new peeve: Party split if someone keels over, when the front of the party can't handle the things attacking them without heals. When I as a cleric am busy with a revive/rebuff I usually need about half a minute. That's a lot if the front keeps pushing on. Again, it's not a problem if the front can manage without heals but can become an issue if they can't.

every barb that uses armageddon when the boss is AoEing so i can't use BB, but still have to keep the squad alive, and then is shocked when he dies.

psychics that don't understand how squishy they are and decide to run far away from the other members of the squad so they're far outta my healing range. which makes it, the decision of let the other 3 squad members die, or laugh at the squishy psy. it's laugh at the psy (or any other idiot that does that) every single time.

other clerics giving me "helpful advice about my biuld and healing style" look, i'm a LA cleric, deal with it. and so what you don't know how to time pureheart? i do, and if i haven't let anyone die, then **** off mate.

even more so than the one above. when tankers give me advice on how to heal them when they've never even roled a cleric. dudes and dudettes, again, ****, if yer alive, then keep yer mouth shut. "i got down to a 1/4 of my hp, get a grip dude" yeah, and then you were suddenly healed with pureheart while having IH stacked on you before i casted pureheart, and again after i was done casting it. stop freakin out guys and gals, again, haven't died yet, and when you have 20k hp, a 1/4 of your hp left, is 5k hp away from being dead. how many tankers on average get hit 5k at a time? if yer gettin hit 5k at a time, i'm done, there is literally no help for you.

5.0 aps assassins that claim they need no heals, then get squished when running far away and gathering to many mobs for them to handle. then ask me where i was... i was healing the other people, that didn't shun the cleric...

5.0aps people that get pissed when i cast RB in a squad. seriously, if you have non-aps people in a squad (ya know, casters, archers using ranged weapons, melee users with skill that don't just permaspark) then you need to shut up and take one for the team!!! so what, you can't perma spark? but now, the rest of the squad can deal almost twice the damage , attack, and cast faster. your loss of alittle bit of aps just made the squad way stronger, and the boss will ultimately be dead much faster than if you just permasparked. deal with it, you frackin baby, maybe try a macro, or using all the skills you replaced with permasparking...

barbs that come to fc and don't know how to drag all the mobs tword the seeker vortexing with the big BB from a cleric right in the middle of it after we just had 3 conversations about it. seriously, it costs 2 sparks, i really can't move it...

lastly, but a classic complaint. yer in a squad, you have 4 melee users and a DD. the boss is AoEing. you have no backup healer. it isn't a quest boss, so nobody "needs" the boss. It has an AoE that can interrupt BB. you do your best, but the squishiest of the melee users dies. i can't stop healing to res you, otherwise we will have a squad wipe on our hands dude. just sit there and shut up otherwise, i swear to god i'll take a squad vote on whether or not to res you. and usually i get a "no, that was so annoying" from other melee users. and if ya do get ressed, for the love of god don't res when a mob is walkin right next to you, and yer unbuffed with such a small amount of hp after the res.

a big thanks goes out to the members of Senku, for not doing these things, and having patients with all your fellow faction clerics. so glad i joined this faction. i know there's not many of you yet since we're in the process of rebuilding, but none the less you are all awesome, and thank you for understanding a cleric's plight.

katrynya16akari wrote: »

I have been playing cleric for about 4 years now.. Over the years I've made up some rules I suggest other clerics should take on even if it pisses your squads off.

i don't feel the need to repost all your rules, but i'd just like to say that you have roughly the same set of rules as i do, and i agree completely. people need to learn, if there are no consequences, they will not.

Yuuniee - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But if the rest of the squads haven't arrived yet, shouldn't he just use individual buffs and try to save person who was endanger themselves to clear some of the paths for the whole squad.

don't endanger yourself. wait for the rest of the squad to arrive, then you can go twice as fast with considerably less risk. what is the point of trying to clear a path for the squad that can do it faster, as a full squad. if you're really that pressed for time that you think you need to run ahead and try to kill everything before the rest of the squad arrives, you should probably log off the game for awhile, cause you clearly have somewhere else you need to be in the real world.

seriously, such impatience by people these days. you're playing a computer game, you either have no where else to be, or you have a problem, and should be doing something much more important. if you have somewhere else to be, but still feel the irresistible urge to play a game, and get that 1 extra little bit of exp, you should probably seek help. and if you have nowhere else to be, then where's the rush?...

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

b:victory Some comments in da blue

Don't know how to quote things within a quote, but...

Yes, some barbs do that, it's sooooo painfully stupid xD

And i don't usually set up BB until they drsg over either, but like i said, we just had three convos about it, so my mistake was thinking he knew what he was talkin about xD.

EDIT: one thing i firgot... agreed, to hell with chroma spammers...

I've been avoiding posting in this sort of thread, but a couple recent posts really struck a nerve. Things like this is why playing with other clerics can really irk me.

Zeeshtrian - Raging Tide wrote: »

when tankers give me advice on how to heal them when they've never even roled a cleric. dudes and dudettes, again, ****, if yer alive, then keep yer mouth shut. "i got down to a 1/4 of my hp, get a grip dude" yeah, and then you were suddenly healed with pureheart while having IH stacked on you before i casted pureheart, and again after i was done casting it. stop freakin out guys and gals, again, haven't died yet, and when you have 20k hp, a 1/4 of your hp left, is 5k hp away from being dead. how many tankers on average get hit 5k at a time? if yer gettin hit 5k at a time, i'm done, there is literally no help for you.

Reference for the later anecdote- the only class that I have not played (and that's actually played, not just hyper-FF for a buff bot) passed level 70 is a psychic, which I just haven't gotten around to yet. Many classes I have two characters, one sage and one demon.

Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »

How do you know what they've rolled? More than likely they play a cleric. Most cleric's also play tanks because of the personality type of people who want to help squadmates and lead the squad, by either healing or taking the damage. I play every class, seven of them "actively". I don't consider myself to have a main or alts, they're all my mains. Playing and understanding only one class usually leads to bad squad play. Your tank knows what has worked for him in the past, or may have an idea other than yours. How about you pull you self conceded head out of your *** and work together and maybe you'll learn something. Btw, end game bosses hit hard. 5k damage is nothing.

I really want to reiterate Atropah's point here. Yes, there are some hyper-FF high level tanks that really don't know what they're doing, but for the most part, tanks understand how much a boss hits them for, how much certain debuffs hurt them, what they can avoid, etc. They certainly know their own strengths and weaknesses better (trade offs between max hp, phys defense, mag defense, attack/defense levels, etc).

A quick anecdote from an experience of mine a couple years back:

I was on my seeker, level 90 with good but certainly not OP gears for her level. She had her culti up to date and a handful of sage skills already learned. I joined a bh69 squad to finish off my very last stack for that instance. The rest of the squad consisted of two sins, a veno, a psy, and a cleric.

We got to pole and most of the rest of the squad stayed at range to avoid the AOE. Shortly after we started fighting, our cleric decided she was going to run up next to me and sit in BB for the duration of the fight. Now, this would be fine, if pole didn't have his nasty little defense break trick. I had Quid Pro Quo, apothecary pots, crab meat, and genie skills constantly in cooldown. I triple sparked for purify at every opportunity and I even threw on a HP charm mid-fight because I was getting desperate. Even with all of that, there were many times during that battle when my current HP dropped under 500. All the while begging the cleric to drop BB and cast purify.

After the fight, I asked why she left BB up. To which she answered "lol, puri doesnt do ****".

Part of when someone says they can tank a boss, it's usually with the expectation that the rest of the squad will account for certain boss mechanics. For clerics, using purify on bosses with nasty debuffs, such as the above is one of those expectations. When you start to deviate and suddenly aren't fulfilling your role, you can turn even a pro tank into a dead tank. Had I known that cleric wasn't going to use purify the entire run, I would have thanked the squad for their time, made my apologies, and vacated my space so they could find someone who could tank comfortably in those circumstances.

Zeeshtrian - Raging Tide wrote: »

don't endanger yourself. wait for the rest of the squad to arrive, then you can go twice as fast with considerably less risk. what is the point of trying to clear a path for the squad that can do it faster, as a full squad. if you're really that pressed for time that you think you need to run ahead and try to kill everything before the rest of the squad arrives, you should probably log off the game for awhile, cause you clearly have somewhere else you need to be in the real world.

If you ask for buffs while you are running away and get into a situation where it is risky for me to support you, I won't buff. However, there are a couple exceptions:

1. I know that buffs don't drag aggro, so if you're grabbing mobs near me, sure you can have buffs.

2. If we're in an instance where the squad will split up (FF where sins will kill the first 2 shades independently, old abba where someone would go solo the tower, etc), sure you get buffs and are free to go do your thing.

3. Someone is being incredibly slow coming into the dungeon and you already have enough of the squad to start clearing and you're mentioned it in squad chat.

Especially with that second point, buffing someone individually first can actually speed up a run more so than if you have everyone there and pull everything to 'x' point.

Oh, and it's not always about impatience, it's sometimes about making things more convenient for the squad as a whole by getting rid of trash/keys that just delay the squad from getting to what they came for.

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

barb shouldn't be Armageddoning on bosses.

Why is this?

1. The damage output sure looks nice as a sngle number but if you're in a DD role as a barbarian fighting against one single boss, using spark is lot more effective damage wise if you even have a small sense how to use your barbarian. Arma is meant to nuke mob pulls and is used in PK due to it's extremely hard single hit.

I can agree with this. There are very few places I'd arma on bosses. Sometimes its just a fun quick kill if the boss is squishier. Some bosses have mobs or spawn mobs. Sometimes it's just that the boss has 3m hp and I can knock off 400k with arma and that single move gives me aggro until the boss is dead since by the time any single person of the other 5-9 members of my squad do over 400k to take aggro the boss should be dead by the cumulative damage.

But I agree, very very few reasons to arma. 99% of the time the best move is to Devour/frighten to assist a melee in tanking, reduce boss damage, reduce boss def and increase paint heals, and reduce boss attack levels. While that's going on the barb can be a dd.

2. If the barb is DDing, they have no reason to "hold aggro off" from squishies

Hmm, DD is still the most effective way to hold aggro. Better than flesh ream and other aggro skills. Don't believe me, ask any sin/aps barb. The beauty of a barb is if your dd is high enough you can be a dd and a tank and be twice as useful.

Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wow, much of this was just... bad.

The theory is if you aren't bbing you should have an IH stack on your barb and it'll heal them about 15k hp every 3 seconds. Plus, most squads will have a sin and bloodpaint and 90% of the time arma+paint is a full heal anyways. I'm guessing you're not IHing your tank and simply chromatic healing your entire squad because of the bosses one aoe every 10 seconds because you don't know any better.

That barb is doing you a favor by trying to do huge damage to keep aggro off the squishies at his own personal risk. As you point out later, a barb using arma means they still have 10k+ hp. That's plenty of time to heal them unless you're using a skill that takes 4.5 seconds on a boss that frequently interupts.

a barb has skills that say in their description that they specifically increase agro. he should use them, that way he can keep agro, without any personal risk, like 90% of the other barbs i've healed. and asmuch as they have 10k hp left, the arcane casters in the squad fighting the boss with a physical AoE, do not, and god forbid those casters also got hit with a DoT skill too. see my point? the easier the tank makes it to heal him, the less likely a squad wipe is. sure, is it usually still possible to heal the squad aswell, yes, but, it would be like me taking a break from healing to cast afew heavy hitting metal skills. possible, yes, but, nessessary? smart? no, and no.

and yes, i do IH stack the barb, but no, i chroma quite seldomly, even tho i do have it maxxed for just the right situation. chroma has a 3 second channel time and is easily interupted, it's a horrible skill to spam.

the method i use is to hit everyone who is currently being attacked with IH once, then stack the tank, then if there's anyone who's very low, i wellspring that person, and hit everyone with IH anouther time for good measure. if after i hit everyone who's being attacked with IH the first time, all the squad members who are being attacked have atleast around 5/8 of their hp left, then i will consider chroma-ing, because i know that it will set the squad all back to 100%, but i also know that they aren't going to die in the 3 seconds it takes to cast that easily interupted skill.


LA cleric... Purehearted Blessing... Ignoring good, helpful advice. Ya, it sounds like they're the ones with the problem. Good luck getting invited to a squad twice.

i get invited to squads quite often tyvm, and have a very low squad and personal death rate. and it's always advice i have heard several times already, that people give when nobody has even come close to dieing. just saying, you have your way, i have my way. if nobody is dieing, i'm not gonna pester you, so, why pester me?


How do you know what they've rolled? More than likely they play a cleric. Most cleric's also play tanks because of the personality type of people who want to help squadmates and lead the squad, by either healing or taking the damage. I play every class, seven of them "actively". I don't consider myself to have a main or alts, they're all my mains. Playing and understanding only one class usually leads to bad squad play. Your tank knows what has worked for him in the past, or may have an idea other than yours. How about you pull you self conceded headsays the person who prefers to start clearing before the whole squad gets there O.o out of your *** and work together and maybe you'll learn something. Btw, end game bosses hit hard. 5k damage is nothing.

again, don't particularly care what they've roled. everyone has a different style, aslong as you're not dead, and i'm not asking, don't comment.

You... have no idea how your skills work or how aps work. Red bubble adds 100% weapon damage to your attack. For most casters that's around 15% more dd. It overwrites >Caster< triple spark 700% boost to damage. So you've effectively cut the casters damage by more than half if they triple sparked.

As you pointed out, you also reduced the apsers 500% triple spark down to only 100% and lowered their attack rate. Apses ability to permaspark can make them do 5-12 times the amount of damage. This means one person is doing the work of 5-12 people, probably more than the rest of your squads entire damage output, at least once their sparks die.

But you don't know how your skill works and apparently hate the people who help you and make your runs faster, so you're overwriting everyones damage buffs with one that is 1/5 as strong for no reason.

quick question... wtf did the game devs even put RB in for then? cause i'm pretty sure it wasn't just cause afew people want you to cast it during heads...

Cloud eruption, an absolute 'must' on a cleric's genie. Three other very highly recommended skills are Expel, Absolute Domain, and Earthquake, all of which will save you.

haven't looked all that much into genie skills, but i actually am looking to get expel. thanks for confirming it's effectiveness.

This is one that keeps popping up, and along with it the "wait for me to squad buff everyone at once." Cleric's that refuse to single buff are a pet peeve of mine. The PvE content of this game really isn't that hard and with powercreep our gear is way excessive.

I play this game to have fun, and joining a squad then sitting around for 10 minutes because someone else joined the squad but wasn't ready to actually do the instance, or (another pet peeve) wants to spend 10 minutes flying to save 10k coin (seriously, farm for 12 seconds you'll get it back. The 10 minutes you wasted flying you could've gotten 200k in drops). People need to remember that this is a multiplayer game and they're playing with real people. If we were in real life you wouldn't make a stranger wait 10 minutes.

unless they are literally flat broke, i agree on that. however, if they're the only person not there, then we are not talking about the same situation. if 5/6 of the squad is there, and a cleric doesn't just squad buff and start, they're an idiot, but if it's you, and one other squishy person, just wait for the others to show up, it'll go better anyway.

My point is, I'm here to play a game and have fun. Not sit and wait for strangers. So I get in and I try to have fun. I'd like buffs please, and as a cleric you probably have at least 12k mp. A full set of lvl 11 self buffs uses 1660 mp=13.8%. Not even worth a charm tick and it recovers in about a minute with no pots. Costs nothing for a cleric. Yet they complain about the waste of mana. I just want to start clearing, playing, and having fun.

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The forum does that sometimes if you click the same color around different text. It changes into an RGB code but then doesn't support that change. It's just been a lame forum bug for years. :P It's one of the reasons I find it easier to break people's replies into quote boxes, which also makes it easier for others to reply to my post. Since mine is handy dandy broken down already.

edit: fixed for you this time. To fix it on your own in the future, just copypasta the bracket for the text name of the color over the RGB ones.

Brim. It is enough to make want to stop playing my cleric. People just don't know how to handle a group of runners and, if you refuse to heal because they don't have aggro, they're going to blame the cleric. Come on, it is not that hard for a seeker to use a long range AoE skill and prevent cleric from taking aggro.

I also love how they pull the groups with rangers on them, knowing you cannot use BB to heal the squishy casters or the lol1shot sins.

Oh, I also hate when they smoke frost 1-90 and get in your squad with lvl 15-40 gear (I have seen this **** so many times), not contributing to the squad and kissing the group every time a boss AoE.

much more c:

Khalari - Sanctuary wrote: »

When we're in a boss or major group mob fight and a Veno decides to Soul Transfuse for mp...and gives me a heart attack because their full hp bar has suddenly dropped to 5%. b:cry

But but... It's FUN giving the cleric a heart attack! Most will do that only when it's safe and they won't get smacked by AOE. But if they don't pay attention, and die from it, it is their own fault.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Here's a new one. BH SoT,

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I got yelled at for not keeping BB up, even when it was pretty obvious that it was coming down for the res. Fault was prolly at the hands of that glasscannon sin who stole aggro... not that he'll care 'cause he did get his res.

That'd be BH Aba, not Seat. And doesn't sound like fault is yours, sounds like it's the squads fault. I wouldn't blame the sin either since that boss is most easily done when you try to kill the boss in 30 seconds prior to it healing, which is pretty easy to do as long as people start the boss together. Other than the first hit the boss does he really doesn't hit hard again until after the 30 seconds and most people can tank any hit in between.

One of my big pet peeves in there is barbs who pull that boss or clerics that put up bb and ask the barb to pull back. This wastes about 15-20 seconds and if you only have 30 seconds of the boss on easy mode before he starts healing and charging up (boss has an attack similar to Blood Rush where his attack becomes stronger depending on the amount of damage he takes while buffed) and so pulling wastes most of your kill time and makes for a harder boss that takes longer to kill. Sounds like your sin was playing smart and trying to kill the boss quickly. Maybe your barb didn't devour or your squad didn't start together.

When a Barb uses Arma with a sacrificial weapon

When a sin has Frenzy daggers (scares me cuz they instadie if bp runs out)

AOE DDs that stop midway through Delta waves and stand around while I start getting mobbed by the mobs b:surrender

People who don't understand that the flame boss in AEU can instantkill if it steps on them (some ppl just stand in front of it afk or something and get stomped)

Asking for bramble (sometimes it has it's uses) and the veno refusing me

A person in the squad who tries to say they don't need heals and NOT to heal them then runs in and dies, then complains that I didn't heal them

White/red names in Flowsilver that slaughter the squad before they can grab the last rooms reward/split pages

People who agro toad then run towards me for heals, then I get the super AOE to the face b:cry

Other clerics who heal me when I say I do not need heals and I'd rather have them focus on other squad members.

random people asking for buffs

cuz I have heals my goodies only for myselfb:scorn

~people releasing in general....... i did not pay 30 for sage rez for you to go back to town >.> ( especailly after you fight your way to go back to them)

~When people complain how slow i am ( as if i didnt notice)

~when people scream HEAL ME, evn thought i am obviously healing...