State of PWI - January 2014

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hello everyone.





As for the game itself, I see a bright future.

LOL

just another fan-boy who is easily amused b:bye

Good points brought up in this thread, but I would like to know what does a new person think of this game?

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

I tend to like the forum MODs. I only occasionally see them close a thread or whatnot that I disagree with.

I agree that this update has brought something fresh and new. It's a major improvement, and if it actually had few major bugs and glitches. Some may say that the 2nd Rebirth quest is broken, but I think that's simply because the new History Advancement feature hasn't been pushed far enough by all of the players. I think once we open more seals, that will fix itself. You have to consider that hypering in Frost in PWCN is impossible, so it wasn't intended that people would rebirth for the second time as fast as they did.

i know, im just joking about the mods lol.

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i admit pwi has its downsides, but thats pretty much the path that most F2P games go. Its rather amazing pwi has been going this long, expansion after expansion with yes some undeniable power creep but most games that are less of that are the subscription games so we cant really compare, add to that this is basically a foreign import. And of course yes, not everyone is going to be equally satisfied.

Reason why im a little more positive is cause the current stuff is a bit diff. to what we saw in the past changes. Past expansions added new races, new skills, new forges, new drops, new items, designs were different but it seemed like the mechanics were similar. This time it seemed like an overhaul of sorts, in small places here and there.
Like for the first time in these 5 years of pwi since they start 'here', they
- did an overhaul of the character selection screen,
- they actually added xmas deco (aka diff. graphics) in town, yes its surprising lol
- introduced a diff. mechanic to the game (avatar cards)
- incorporated an extra system of leveling (rebirth)
- title system which pops with diff. criteria
- A more detail boutique viewing
- auto culti system
- the every-one-work-or-no-one-gets-anything primal % system
- a map unlocking based on real time server statistics

and prolly alot more i missed

Eledrial - Archosaur wrote: »

Please do not praise the gms as if they're doing anything good. so far i've only seen let downs and no activity from gms on forums or ingame ( they even said they don't have ingame gms on morai )

if you praise them they wont change... not as if it's likely they will anyway

btw why did my other post get deleted? it's valid critique that gms arent active at all on forums.

defender answered and closed a few necro posts just last week. Morai have just employed a GM to replace an exiting one and another will be joining in Feb.

As many have said before and will again if you arent happy then the best thing to do is leave the game and go do something else. I still enjoy playing the game, I think many of the things that have been added with update are improvements and have add to MY enjoyment of the game. Yeah sure things are still glitched/broken but I dont let them bother me, if I cant do something ingame there are many other things I can go do.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

That it is even allowed on these forums surprises me

You wouldn't think it was actually allowed (within reason, of course) and that the mods and staff immediately permabanned and hid any instances of it ever existing with how a large amount of people here behave, though. Especially the conspiracy theorists. b:chuckle

OPKossy wrote: »

Especially the conspiracy theorists. b:chuckle

I knew it! The MODs are invading our free speech with their armies of veno's.

*clutches tin foil hat*

And, and, SweetieBot has become self-aware! b:shocked

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And, and, SweetieBot has become self-aware! b:shocked

Sweetiebot, are you drawing inspiration from SkyNet?

Firstly Thanks, Its nice to know what im doing is well taken and I will do what I can to help the Game via Suggestion Box

Second I just wanna give Credit where it is due. The Name Change Stone was before my time doing the Suggestions so I cant take credit for that. What I do think tho is the Player base Deserves Credit for this and many other things. After all things dont get changed where no suggestion is made!

As for the Future to PWI I hope its strong and i would like to think any work I do will help in the small way it can. PWE do need to get someone in the CM position to help support this game on the forums and I hope when the work is finished on ARC we will see More Focus on the Communication and GMs attending in game.

On my last note I think the Mods Deserve a Pat on the back also. In fact anyone that supports this game in any way does!

thanks,

Heero200.

The state of this game, at least HT server:

PVPers trading one shots and crying about it in WC 24/7

90% of WC (excluding horn spam) is people spamming it looking for barbs for Flowsilver for a chance at their 50th Jaden Qingfu card and maybe an almost worthless page or 2.

The other 10% is mostly QQ about how much the game sucks now, coming from people that haven't logged on in 3 years.

Hardly anyone I know even logs on anymore since they are SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING TO TIPTOE AROUND FREAKING BOTS EVERYWHERE!!

Its nice when there are packs of R9 TW archers mowing down every Goothe on the mountain and squatting all over every drop of yours that you manage to glean.

Its wonderful fun seeing 20 jackasses milling about the spiders in the snow mindlessly fighting over the same scant few that have respawned.

I haven't been to map3 in a long time but I imagine its just a squad of seekers on permanent spin cycle with loot monkeys gobbling up the drops now.

The starter area is apparently full of bots now too, just what new players need to see.

You're not 10 minutes into the game and you already can't tell who is an *******, and who is just a glorified troll NPC...run by an *******.

I'm frankly ASTOUNDED that someone hasn't just created like 1000 accounts and simply blanketed the entire starting areas with bots yet, so that there are literally ZERO mobs left for anyone to kill.

Since there are so many trolls out there that want this game to die, there you go, get to it.

Maybe then the "managers" will talk some sense into the devs and remove this embarrassment of a "feature."

Of course that wouldn't stop power leveling in frost, but it would stop the legitimate new players that PWE claims both exist and are in fact valued in any way.

I also see improvement from PWE's side and I think there has never been as active and fun moderators as there is now! Since v4liance was a CM the game has got some pretty neat new content and fixes to certain long-existing bugs.

There are still a lot of bugs to be fixed and a lot of improvement to be done and there have been several hiccups from PWE's and Wanmei's part but I believe most of these issues will get sorted out.

We also should remember that there are also things that we players cause by ourselves that decreases the fun in-game. This would include too greedy merchants, scammers, heavy botters that do not think of others, WC drama, PVP drama, forum drama, bullying, rushing newbies to powerlevel etc etc.

Can we blame PWE for us players being immature and selfish? I think not.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Which brings a fair point:
The whole "max 2 clients at any given time per IP" should really be enforced by the server now. That would -REALLY- clean the game up (but cause some crying by folks claiming to have their mom, dad, brother and four little sisters all wanting to play on their machines at once - because they looove to beat up one mob after another on their archer/bm/sin for entire days without getting any sleep. Really!).

Is it that impossible for you to believe that some households would have more than one PWI player? Obviously someone has never had a significant other who plays with them. :P

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

The problem isn't botting. The problem is players getting excessively greedy in doing so and stepping way outside the boundaries of what is acceptable, both rulewise and common sense wise.

While this is true, it really just comes back to the age-old debate of who's at fault... the purveyor of bad ideas, or the customer who indulges in them?

Is wanmei at fault for power creep due to offering R9, or are the players at fault for buying it?

Is wanmei at fault for the cheapening of levels due to failing to restrict Frost entry, or are the players at fault for performing powerleveling "services?"

Is wanmei at fault for all the botting woes due to creating the auto-bot system, or are the players at fault for failing to use it in a civil manner?

There are a lot of factors at play here, but ultimately both parties are clearly at fault. Take R9 for example... a gear set that far outshined anything that came before it, crippled the role of individual skill, introduced to a market of players who had grown to love a highly competitive (but at that time, balanced) PVP system. So most people had no choice but to jump on the bandwagon, or give up on serious PVP entirely, yadda yadda yadda... we all know this story.

So why'd they do it? Ignorance? A misguided belief that it would make the game better? Good old-fashioned greed? It doesn't matter. We spend way too much time ranting at PWE/wanmei as the sole negative force in the matter, when the truth is that regardless of their intent or shortsightedness, the success of R9 and the "death" of the game would not have happened if the majority of the playerbase hadn't latched onto those terrible ideas.

You, the individuals, have always had a choice. You could've quit in 2010, like many did. You could've stayed and made a conscious decision to focus on the parts of the game that didn't require R9, and not take PVP so seriously. But if you did indulge in R9... whether farmed, cash shopped, pulled magically out of the air, whatever... that, too, was a choice. A choice to support the very same BS people have ranted about for years.



The state of the game? Well, it's far too early to see the extent of Archosaur Studios' impact. It dismays me that they've gone for a misguided "revamping" of the lowgame complete with that trippy, inconsequential starting zone... but the only thing I find truly objectionable is the removal of low-level molds and the way they're throwing Dreamchaser gear at you. Other than that, the game is still playable and you can still pitch it to your friends... just with a ton of little "asterisks."

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Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

I completely agree. Can we blame PWE for their mistakes, when we can't take responsibility for our own? We constantly bash and put down the Devs, GMs, and MODs for these problems, but have we ever stopped to think that we're only making things worse? I have to admit, I've vented my frustrations a select few times, but I can count how many times on one hand... and I been playing for almost 4 years.

Well damn, I've been ninja'd. XD

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

With that being said, we need more people that are willing to step up and communicate directly with GMs and CMs, and be mature about it. By this, I mean:

Not crying over everything that isn't being done,

Giving them direct, solid, and accurate information.

Being polite and respectful.

If the GMs and CMs would allow us that are willing to help to have a more direct line of communication, this would help many issues, not just reporting bugs and glitches. It could help keep other problems, such as keeping scammers out of the game, and keeping the various forms of bullies out. It really kind of reminds me of the Game Advisor program that they were trying to come up with. I wonder what happened to that. b:question

I believe there are certain people who were associated with it that couldn't keep up with the project, for various reasons. That's all I know. And of course v4liance's departure didn't help any.

While it would be great to reboot that project and I'd be all for it, the problem is not so much communication with the CM (because let's be honest, only the CM is really supposed to be our representative per his job description). The problem is that even if the CM supports what we want to do, s/he has to play telephone with wanmei, and the likelihood of anything substantial being fixed at that point is next to none. Issues like power creep / gear disparity and Frost powerleveling have been given CM attention in the past, but nothing ever came of it. Ultimately, the problem is that no one on our side of the pond makes the decisions... it all comes from the wanmei devs, who get their instructions from the top brass in Beijing. What we need is a clearer, more consistent line of communication with that top brass... but after five years around here I've never seen it happen.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

werent the original devs who came back also talking about a new graphics engine for pwi

if so that would shine light on some lag issues

I'm not terribly familiar with that depth of coding, but it sounds like what you're describing would require completely redoing the game engine (y'know, Angelica, the 10-year-old one), and probably the whole map with it. At that cost, they may as well make an entirely new game.