Plevel noobs

Not picking this post apart, but supporting and adding to it:

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

While I have CE on my genie I raaaaarreeellly use it. Only BB need's chi for healings. And I'd rather have Holy Path to keep up with the pullers than be ready to BB when BB is not needed the majority of the time it is used.

^^ This. Gotta love reading criticisms by ignorant players putting others down -period!

Big full pulls in WS? Okay you MIGHT need to BB in Metal especially. Pull of Fire? Don't' BB it's gonna get interrupted just AoE heal and while is in CD use other heals and skills to save the party.

Read to 3 pages to finally find someone else that caught this. As much as people want to complain about others for using hypers: I have yet to see people learn simple things like putting RA up way back from the womb in spawn RB, wait for magic shell, and BKI before running in Aba, how AoE pulls work in metal, how a sin chasing ranged mobs around in RB is not only a waste of time but counter productive, how aoe stun mobs, or runners in metal stop stunning as much when melee range tanked, etc. It's not noobs: it's people refusing to learn or people just being *****. And closed minded idiots that criticize others. -period (use of word to show their sense of finality on the argument or showing off their own closed mindedness)

I'm sorry but saying its a waste of a cleric to now have CE is stupid. A REAL cleric knows how to heal in any situation.

I wouldn't say they know, but they learn. My first tanking of the new BH SoT on a mage succeeded with IH heals. How many know that the bleed isn't affected by RA's defense, or that the bleed can easily be purged by erupting?

EDIT: As for not waiting if your cleric is ready.... That one is on YOU. If I say "one sec Chi or Genie on CD" and you roll on into the throes of danger I am NOT chasing you. I am going to wait and watch as you die or use up all your own resources to stay alive.

I remember a seeker that said he was going to pull 3 groups in metal then vortex. I said "NO! The squad can't handle 3 groups! He pulled anyway and we all just watched. I was on wiz and he qq'd about not getting help. The cleric had less than 5k hp; so I pointed out that they couldn't have helped. He then qq's that I didn't help. -I wasn't the one with BP! Then he qq's about charm ticks. -Yeah; I treat these idiots the same way. It's like those barbs that would pull all the hell toads in SoT without considering the squad's capability.

Playing in a team is a team effort, I don't have to waste my resources healing you if you don't have the common courtesy to wait if I ask for a second to get ready for the next pull.

People should familiarize themselves with others. I didn't like when sins started soloing the bishops in FFC because we lost that time to familiarize ourselves in the instance before hitting the hard stuff. That said: CE should not be expected. People expect every cleric to play the same way. If I find a superior way to do something: I'm not going to bend over for the idiot that can't adapt; (like those people that tell me to move RA closer in RB instead of moving closer themselves).

I have CE on my cleric's genie, but it shouldn't be needed for anything I do. Maybe some forget that we didn't always have genies.

BB was on a distance because the cleric was expecting you to pull mobs back a bit XD
Say in chat what u gonna do next in a random squad, dont expect everyone to do it in your way b:nosebleed

90% of the time BB is the best way to heal

And you're asking if others are stupid? Let me tell you who dies when bb goes down on BH SoT, Aba boss lately: mystics. You blame RA for not being up: I blame them for being in AoE range being a ranged dd/ healer. -Now who is stupid? I would much rather tank BH / SoT bosses with IH heals rather than RA on Barb, Cleric, Mystic, and Wiz. Use of RA is just catering to the plethora of idiots that can't learn and adapt because they're never made to.

TT has already been pointed out as not ideal for RA. Mobs on the way to cannonfist should be obvious. Snakefist is situational, Lunar is situational.

Saying RA is best for 90% makes me think of all the chromaspammers that never learned IH.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

It's not about they can make it their way, ppl like me, tho I guess there is no other like me really... are like ok you done it...but you could have done this and that better...I analyze ppl all the time. Fine if they are successful in their way, but anyone can do better even if it works just fine. That's what it's about for me.

Guess I'm a perfectionist or something like that. It's not enough to just being able to get the job done. It has to be efficient and perfect xDDDD

Yeah I guess I'm crazy b:surrender b:laugh

That's a cop out, and it's quite sad you view being a perfectionist that way. Your mindset isn't perfectionism, it's ignorance. Ignorance to the fact that you can be wrong just like anyone else, and now that you have been proven wrong you come here with that bs excuse.

You analyze people? I highly doubt it. Analyzation involves knowing how others work, and you seem to lack that basic understanding. If you analyzed people you would know that any cleric doesnt NEED CE. If you analyzed people you would not expect them to do things the way YOU would like them. If you analyzed people you would have realized that your opinion is bs, and would have never even posted on this thread to begin with. See where I'm going with this? If you analyze people so well, I won't have to tell you.

Also have you ever even played a cleric? I've played a barb for 4-5 years, a sin for a year, and a cleric for a year, I think i have a better idea of what they can do. Hell I have no problems healing on my HA cleric even. CE is in efficient in some cases, accept that as a fact, just like BB is in some cases.

This is why Clerics should get a R8r weapon with Infinite, so that if they get agro, they have a small chance of getting half a spark per proc, as well as stack'd IH healing from the proc.

b:chuckle

Joe - Morai wrote: »

No. There is just no reason for not having CE on the clerics genie. Just no. There is no effort in skilling it on the genie and absolutely no other options for clerics that would somehow prevent skilling CE. The only excuse I would accept is if they would at least skill Chi Siphon.

You don't know what other players' reasoning is for doing things. What counts is their competence on doing what they're supposed to be doing, not whether they have a certain ability or not.

Like Venus said, it probably wouldn't have mattered even if that Cleric had CE.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

I don't really care how ppl play and stuff but they should at least do their friggin homework otherwise they deserve it to be insulted as noobs. Noob = newby = newcomer = a little experienced person. Seems appropriate and it's not really an insult.

Newb = New, inexperienced player. Willing to learn from their mistakes and try their best, and if they have a play style you don't accept, they'll more than likely want to stay out of your way.

Noob = Knows next to nothing about the game in question, but insists they know a lot. Does things their way, and insults you if you don't do it their way or tell them they're wrong. Very childish and selfish/insulting. Ironically, loves calling others 'noob'.

Next time it happens, boot, ignore, move on. Don't get so worked up over a game.

Metalogue - Archosaur wrote: »

OBJECTION!!!

Archosaur opened in February or March of 2010.

Grr Edgy!! I was gonna point that out first!

Skaitavia wrote: »

This is why Clerics should get a R8r weapon with Infinite, so that if they get agro, they have a small chance of getting half a spark per proc, as well as stack'd IH healing from the proc.

b:chuckle

I have that on my glaive... but i use it for only aoe farming, or when i know there's aoe that might shoot me some chi. R9rr is nice for other stuff of course b:laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW2m8QQJbD8

I was going to write a lengthy reply.... but i won't...

At the end of the day each has their own way of playing, good, bad, ugly, or otherwise. If they do not meet up to your expectations it's up to you how you handle them. People are still people, some take advice, some take criticism, some will brush you off (or worse).

But beyond all that, they have a right to play, good, bad, ugly... and you have the right to never squad with them again... It's a game.

Happy PWI...

Miss_menace - Raging Tide wrote: »

And i suppose we have the right to not play if they clearly don't know what they are doing... so yeah.

But you have to admit... it sure is fun discussing what does and doesnt work. I'm sure some clerics learned a thing or two here.

agreed.. however I'm sure the majority of the helpful discussion will never be read by the people this article is about, even if this was in the class specific section.

It is good to get an active debate though, rather than the typical "oh no another thread on that... isn't this the 203920349 one now?"

Miss_menace - Raging Tide wrote: »

OMG. do you like NOT KNOW what clerics do?

I heard a barb say once "what's so hard about cleric? just BB and watch your HP." Stupidist thing I've ever heard someone say outloud about a cleric. But yours, HideYo, is a close second.

You know what drives me crazy? When you see cleric AOE heal (BB or chromatic) when the boss has no aoe. Every pro cleric knows that the most powerful heal is the stacked IH. Even with 50% reduction of damage, if you are spam healing a tank, they have a much better chance of staying alive as long as they are not a one-shot (if they are... well then a smart cleric knows it too... and if they are a one-shot, they are clearly more obssessed with damage than staying alive.)

90% of the time BB is the best way to heal? OMG did you just join PWI or something? So the rest of our heals are secondary to BB?? GAWD no respect!

Have a BM friend who says he never kills a cleric in PvP unless they attack first... he says it's bad karma to kill a cleric for no reason. Same goes for underestimating what a pro cleric can do with a genie that hasn't been purged of its energy from spamming CE, and knowing that BB is a secondary option, not the primary. This bad karma will follow you around HealYo.

I disagree with this. Most of the time, BB is better. Most of the time you have aggro ping pong on bosses. Most of the time, you have damage dealers with overpowered weapons but rather weak defenses. Most of the time you are dealing with multiple mobs, like in Warsong BH.

Also, I'm fairly certain that the non-AoE bosses in Warsong are much harder to kill if the cleric only uses IH instead of BB.

Well there are actually two ways how to become a perfect noob.

1) Powerleveling: Doing hardly anything in PVE yourself and gain gaming experience only from checking guides and watching high lvls doing your work. Ending = You have some dungeon and team experience, but no clue what your own job is or how your skills can save your as.s.

2)Questing only : You did your Quest all by yourself except some bosses done by high-lvled friends, got great experience in Solo playing but youre unable to play a certain role in a squad because they want you to use skills youd never use when killling quest mobs. Ending= Venos that dont know when to pass or get chi or dont know how important amplify is, Clerics that never used bb before, barbs playing in human form only and mystics using devil and a NV + AS Combo for every single mob in a dungeon because it worked so well while questing

I usually hate the last ones most because they always get angry when you try to help them.

And CE is a useful skill for classes that have chi problems below 100. A Cleric should be able to at least put up BB again one time if it drops. If the cleric can handle this without CE, great. If not, get CE and then everythings great as well. At 100+ in harder dungeons other genie skills can be waaaay more important and squishy classes /chi-based classes should have bought or made pots anyway, everything is so much easier with them.

The only classes i always had CE and kept it on one genie was Mystic and Archer because ....
Mystics are screwed without chi below 100. I loved Thicket for duels and TW and Cragg as being pro DD below 100. And as an Archer i always feared having not enough chi to stun -> freeze an enemy in PVE if neccesary.

People have some main expectations to someone. It doesnt matter how they do their job as long as theyre doing it. I dont care if the cleric uses pots,Genie skills or chi skills to get up bb as long as it gets up. And i dont mind if i get healed trough BB or IH as long AS i get healed and dont die.

If a class manages to go a different way unknown to me and reaches the same end as i do ( or probably reaches the end even faster) im glad were both there and survived. And i might learn some new ways as well, for example what cleric skills give the most chi if youre in need of it instead always using CE.

when it comes to being a cleric, everyone should learn the basics of good clericing such as IH stacking, aoe heals when needed, and either popping in a wellspring or rejuvenation once in a while to when its needed. BB is needed during certain times such as when you get 2-3 DDs doing the agro ping pong on the tank, to where ya need it for the dmg reduction but that doesnt mean that BB is needed all the time especially when it can and will get knocked out by a bosses aoe. BB shouldnt be substituted for good cleric work when you got other healing skills besides RA/BB to heal the squad as well as individuals. IF DDs do have weak defenses, BB wont save them at all since they can still be 1-2 shotted through bb (even though i havent seen it happen yet). BB isnt the miracle healing skill here so if your a DD who takes agro more times than not from the tank, learn to control that agro stead of relying on the clerics BB healing to help get ya out of a jam. we clerics can be one shotted by a bosses aoe just as easily and then where's your precious bb or healing to keep butt alive if the one who has the healing skills is dead? (assuming there is no mystic in squad)

Another thing regarding CE (aka cloud eruption), a cleric doesnt need CE just to be qualified in a bh squad, a cleric can go without that genie skill as long as he/she can know how to build chi up it doesnt take a high IQ to see that. i dont have CE on my clerics genie and im able to have 2 sparks for bb when its needed. Plus not all clerics will have CE on their genies, some perfer survival and defenses more than getting a chi skill that they wont be using that much anyway. CE does and might help some clerics, but it wont help any cleric that dies from a bosses aoe. what do you want them to do huh, use CE while they are dead? duh, they are dead which means that their genie is completely out of energy and unable to be used. if you want the perfect cleric, have pwi add a genie skill that revives fallen players while giving them 2 sparks upon being revived.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I disagree with this. Most of the time, BB is better. Most of the time you have aggro ping pong on bosses. Most of the time, you have damage dealers with overpowered weapons but rather weak defenses. Most of the time you are dealing with multiple mobs, like in Warsong BH.

Also, I'm fairly certain that the non-AoE bosses in Warsong are much harder to kill if the cleric only uses IH instead of BB.

The only reason you get aggro ping pong is because people bend over for those idiots that show off that they can get aggro. If we start leaving them dead until boss is dead; they stop. I'll take aggro with my mystic, but I'm also able to solo the bosses which is what should be expected of aggro thieves. It's not hard to look at a barbs weapon, or observe the skills they're using to see how well they'll be holding aggro. It's also not hard to use Subsea, HF/GS, etc instead of erupting. If Cleric doesn't BB on Snakefist: I don't try to tank on my Assassin -that simple.

Imagine street racers with 1,800 horse power. Do they win the race by going all out the whole time? -No; and neither should DDs with great weapons that can't handle tanking. If a cleric has time to drop RA to revive someone; they also have time to cast debuffs and dd.

How does RA help kill a boss? If the 1-1 bosses main dmg is phys: Sage Vanguard Spirit every 3-4 IH's -"Sage version grants an additional 100% physical defense for 10 seconds". Demon Clerics would likely use Stream of Rejuvenation: "Demon version temporarily grants the target an additional 100% bonus to equipment's physical defense."

tweakz wrote: »

The only reason you get aggro ping pong is because people bend over for those idiots that show off that they can get aggro. If we start leaving them dead until boss is dead; they stop. I'll take aggro with my mystic, but I'm also able to solo the bosses which is what should be expected of aggro thieves. It's not hard to look at a barbs weapon, or observe the skills they're using to see how well they'll be holding aggro. It's also not hard to use Subsea, HF/GS, etc instead of erupting. If Cleric doesn't BB on Snakefist: I don't try to tank on my Assassin -that simple.

Imagine street racers with 1,800 horse power. Do they win the race by going all out the whole time? -No; and neither should DDs with great weapons that can't handle tanking. If a cleric has time to drop RA to revive someone; they also have time to cast debuffs and dd.

How does RA help kill a boss? If the 1-1 bosses main dmg is phys: Sage Vanguard Spirit every 3-4 IH's -"Sage version grants an additional 100% physical defense for 10 seconds". Demon Clerics would likely use Stream of Rejuvenation: "Demon version temporarily grants the target an additional 100% bonus to equipment's physical defense."

My statements were not made to describe the ideal world, but to describe what actually happens. It is clear that you are not representative of the typical player within random groups I join or most people join. Congratulations. You are not part of the 90%. For those of us who regularly experience the 90%, Regeneration Aura is almost always better, unless it gets interrupted, as it provides a high benefit-to-cost ratio. The cost (2 sparks and inability to damage / debuff) to use the spell is fairly small compared to the benefit (everyone gets healed, aggro ping pong disasters get averted).

As for 1-1 bosses, it helps b/c 50% damage reduction is a lot more beneficial than 100% bonus to equipment's physical defense. If you go with the traditional decently equipped Barbarian as a tank, then the point is moot as any reasonable method of healing will work. However, the number of individuals who can tank such bosses increase if you use Regeneration Aura because they will have an easier time surviving. 50% damage reduction makes a huge difference against a boss if the tank is 2 or 3 shot. Having a tank like this happens more often than many people think, especially for individuals in small factions or dislike randoms.