Are TT Items Worth DQ Points?

Idea was brought up many times in the past, and theres been very little to none in terms of GM responses.

However, turning TT into a DQ point farm entrance would kill the charm and refine stones market. If it was implemented, the TT mats would need to give very little value for DQ, nothing fancy like 500 points or more.

One way to solve this issue thats been raised. Stop low levels from power leveling in FC till they reach say lv 80. By doing so would increase demand for the green mats market, thus making it viable for those farming TT to make good ammounts of coin. Further it engages players to actually play the game as the game was designed to.

Now some will complain and say that they dont want that. And i understand that view. Though i dont agree with it. But the game has become so focused on endgame that a large portion of the game has become redundant to a large degree, and that imo is a pity.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think the goal here is to find a farming route that involves actually playing the game. While merchanting is probably the most effective coin making strategy it largely means setting up a shop and afking. Or watching WC or other catshops, then afking. And for someone concerned about the welfare of the poor low levels, merchantings core is buying low and holding items till you find a higher buyer and inflating the market.

I stated in the other thread that got lower depthed that if higher levels are selling half their TT mats to players and NPCing the other half for DQ that'll stimulate the market. It'll also make TT worth farming, even if it takes some people longer to do. Right now I'm in the aps crowd and I NPC about 2/3 of my TT mats because they wont sell. If they actually were worth something low levels might farm TT too, even if it took hours to do. I might farm 10 times quicker then them but at least they wouldn't have to level to 100 and start doing BHs before they got some decent farming opportunities. It'd be a little like the old days

People won't do it so long as the costs exceed the value. The reason the costs exceed the value is because high levels undercut the low levels, since they can obtain it for much cheaper and in greater supply. It's not even intentional. The value of the mats to them will always be lower than what a lowbie could possibly hope to sell it at and still recover their costs. The market has dipped because of all the APS farmers crowding the market, now that their market has crashed. Their old market being mostly nirvana. The solution isn't to raise prices on low level gear. It's to put more content in the game that these farmers can do instead, it's to make the low to mid levels more worth doing by adding content to that too. Content that cannot be done with the help of a high level, and that gives items that are worth obtaining. That will increase the price of those mats, because there will be more demand and less supply.

This is a good idea, there are so many HH mats that have no practical use so many times you either don't even pick them up, or they become npc food. I think this would help a lot the economy.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

You mean content that cannot be accessed by high levels, period.

How are they going to make mid level stuff worth obtaining when people all just..rush to high level and QQ about being poor? There has to be content worth farming for and playing with at lower levels.

Yeah. This game is really, really, really new player unfriendly. I can't agree with anything that exacerbates that problem, such as a suggestion that the costs for lowbie basic gear be raised so TT farmers don't have to bother DQ farming.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Yeah. This game is really, really, really new player unfriendly. I can't agree with anything that exacerbates that problem, such as a suggestion that the costs for lowbie basic gear be raised so TT farmers don't have to bother DQ farming.

Sorry, you still have failed to give any reason that more incentive to farm TT would mean higher prices for newer players. If prices rise, people will sell to players rather than npc the items and the price will drop again, simple as that.

And cost exceeding value? TT is cheap to run. If you are talking about time value, then I can't put a price on every single players time. For some level 70's it'd be worth it to spend 3 hours in a TT. For others its not, which is why they buy from higher levels. For most people its low levels getting high levels to help them farm and this would provide incentive for both players since the mats the low level needs can be used in crafting, and the mats no one need can be sold to others or npc'd.

I'd probably continue to just pursue coin anyways, but having the option to npc things for DQ would be nice. Especially some of the things I get hundreds of while farming during 2x, like Iron Plates of Darkness and Evil Minions horns.

No, this should never even be considered. Ever.

Dirtyboy - Lost City wrote: »

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Don't get me wrong but do you even log in game? will affect what refine??? dont be naive there are people wiht literary milions of event gold who do refine service and its not only 1 person i was told about some glich that occured some months ago and aloved peopel to have milions of event gold and they are refining for money to like +9 or so....

Making TT give dq points would make this game again alive and wth u worry about low levels i mean wiht all FCC going and how old this game is everyone is 100+ udner levels are only alts and beside if not alts i always give free mats to lowbies plus dreamchaser gear i mean that can hold till tt90 for pve

Make TT give DQ points and test for 1 week it would make this game again enjoyable and like somebody said people woudl start PKIng more and not going to privat servers to do taht

This will make rich players even more rich and nothing more ...

Green mats will rise in price.

Since my character can't get mats from TT this will be very bad for him.

Dsholder - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There are so many characters over the level of 100 with gears only refined to +5, and I think this could benefit. The players are using their effort to farm these green materials, why shouldn't they be given the full reward from them?

Why are you more worried about two items in a vast market, over the idea of many players being geared up and actually being competition?

I am still trying to find ways to invest in this game, but I will refuse to do so if there isn't sufficient competition among players.

This game is a business, if TT mats were made to have DQ point value, PWI would start to lose money on charms. TT is very easy to farm with 5.0 APS and on 2x, a few TT bosses can easily drop 8+ green mats. If everyone was given access to refine stones for cheap, PWI would lose money in the orb department as well.

Wonder why we haven't seen a heroic chest promo in forever? It was heavily exploited to the degree where I'm sure some players can remain charmed for years because it gave out Chest of Coins.

Currently, you can gear up for free, via merchanting, farming, or selling Trophy Mode/FC services, many players have and will do so. I'm not sure why "easier" methods are needed.

Dirtyboy - Lost City wrote: »

HUH ????

Don't get me wrong but do you even log in game? will affect what refine??? dont be naive there are people wiht literary milions of event gold who do refine service and its not only 1 person i was told about some glich that occured some months ago and aloved peopel to have milions of event gold and they are refining for money to like +9 or so....

Making TT give dq points would make this game again alive and wth u worry about low levels i mean wiht all FCC going and how old this game is everyone is 100+ udner levels are only alts and beside if not alts i always give free mats to lowbies plus dreamchaser gear i mean that can hold till tt90 for pve

Make TT give DQ points and test for 1 week it would make this game again enjoyable and like somebody said people woudl start PKIng more and not going to privat servers to do taht

What does PW gain out of it?

Eh, if this was to happen I would say don't put anymore points on them than the highest DQ has (35). Honestly, when I run TT for profit I pick a TT that has at least 2-3 mats worth something, so really it doesn't affect me at all having to NPC the junk mats. I still profited from the run, and that was the point of running it. For those that say running TT isn't profitable at all anymore, maybe you aren't running the right TTs. Lots of mats are still pretty high priced. I make quite a bit of money running TTs, when I can be bothered to do so.

They could just make each green mat worth 10k. Then it is like getting more mirages. xD

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yet does it matter anymore? Markets are already crashed. Might as well make TT mats (the ones people would never use in their lifetime) worth something for once or raise the NPC price or something. It would not hurt lower levels more anyway (if they are farming for the mats themselves). You can't merchant certain items that will not even sell for 2,000 coins, or even 500. More items are becoming this way, because they are easier to gain.

There is nothing that can be done for pre-endgame because pre-endgame has been so focused on too expensive/overpowered things and reaching the cap only to be competitive which pretty much dies after a while then goes to the next content to make sure those bored suckers don't leave the game and pay more.

So people don't use TT70 weapons? Lower levels don't grind the 30 and 35 dq point items and sell them to higher levels for 1.5 to 2x the npc price? Because that market would be affected too if they took away a portion of their customers, the people who would rather farm TT and buy their event gold from DQ with the money the earned, then spend all day farming DQ. Which is admittedly a much better use of their time. It does matter. Just because it doesn't matter to you because you have your gear, or because you are too high level to care, doesn't mean everyone does. The mats are about the right price atm. If you need that gear you can grind out mats to sell or do a couple of weeks of JJ orders to get the gear. That's what it should be. The market has set the price of those items, because that's the price point that makes sense based off the supply and the demand. Artificially raising the price by increasing the value, and lowering the supply would OFC help the sellers. But on that same end, it would ofc hurt the buyers. And in this case, the sellers are the high end farmers who already have a decent sized share of the coin in the game. And the buyers are low levels that this game is already hostile towards. It doesn't need to be more hostile to low levels just to give high end farmers a boost.

Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sorry, you still have failed to give any reason that more incentive to farm TT would mean higher prices for newer players. If prices rise, people will sell to players rather than npc the items and the price will drop again, simple as that.

And cost exceeding value? TT is cheap to run. If you are talking about time value, then I can't put a price on every single players time. For some level 70's it'd be worth it to spend 3 hours in a TT. For others its not, which is why they buy from higher levels. For most people its low levels getting high levels to help them farm and this would provide incentive for both players since the mats the low level needs can be used in crafting, and the mats no one need can be sold to others or npc'd.

I'd probably continue to just pursue coin anyways, but having the option to npc things for DQ would be nice. Especially some of the things I get hundreds of while farming during 2x, like Iron Plates of Darkness and Evil Minions horns.

Scare items with decent demand makes items costs more. If they are all sold to the NPC, they wont' be available for purchase. If they aren't available for purchase, they become rarer and the price will raise. They might fall back down later, but never again below the value that was added by the NPC. That's how things work. The lower the supply, and the higher the demand, the more the item will cost. Decreasing the supply, while at the same time adding value to the item, will OFC increase the cost of the item. High end farmers are already making good money off of TT, even nirvana had items that weren't worth as much such as the shards. Complaining that not every last item a high end farmer comes across is worth a lot, is not a reason to **** over low levels and **** over merchants.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

>TT
>Good money

Yeah if you spend 10 hours a day in it.

Or get stupidly lucky.

Or both really.

So people are just doing it for no reason then? Obviously it's worth the time investment or people wouldn't be doing it. Just like full deltas are more rare now, and people complain about free lunars. When before they complained that it wasn't free, because the entrance fee combined with the costs (time, money, supplies) weren't worth the reward.

The underlying issue is there is no instance for farming gear besides TT and warsong/lunar. the warsong/lunar is crippled by design in several ways.

NW is a great farming instance, but its only open 4 hours a week

AEU is likewise very limited and repetitive

BH is pretty much the only available way to farm new coins

with the exception of AEU and NW, there has not been a new farming instance in this game since nirvana.

all gear farming culminates in the cash shop.

bottom line, there is no diversification, no innovation and no customization.