Which Class Needs An Upgrade?

Id much rather see the TW rewards up a little but thats off topic. I think sins should get s little up grade your kind of screwed with purfy skill on casters now.

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have some problems with your points:

While I agree that, of all classes, archers have the best shot at catching a running Purify user, that would mean they have to purge the anti-stun/speed off first (which cannot happen with CC skills, because that quote is wrong, any skill that applies a negative status does not purge) and then lock them down. Once that happens, they need to hope their following attacks do not also trigger the proc. Also, assuming the maximum range possible, 40m (galvanic + sage mastery), you'd need to hope you get that purge in quick or else the caster will be out of your range fairly quickly and you'll need to follow just like everyone else.

Archers cannot really "spam" stun (and certainly not their only other CC skill), but the cooldown is low enough that I'll let that comment slide.

Archers have garbage buffs compared to sins, so I'd gather that either archers are as squishy as sins (given they use the same armour) or sins are slightly superior in terms of survivability.

Purge is not 10-15%.

The fact is, archers are over-powered against opponents with a lower gear standard. That is irrefutable. However, with equal gear, archers are garbage. Ask any endgame archer on these forums if they can 3-5 hit a full jaded +12 r999 wiz.

My % on proc was just quoted from the person i was debating with.

You don't need full 40 meter morai skill range to be better than every single other phy dmg class's 3 meter range.

You don't need to purge their antistun or speed buff to hit them.

You are less likely to proc them than every single other phy dmg class.

Show me some math or at least reasoning behind why you think you're so under powered in equal gear. I read the other thread where Asterelle made that claim but I didn't see anything to back it up there either

XCableX - Archosaur wrote: »

Give blademasters demon/sage sprint skills. xD

Or you know... leaps. lol

If anything, Go Seeker Go!

Leaps....longer leaps. xD
Umm, and longer Reckless Rush distance as well. b:laugh

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

What more could a sin possibly have?... >.>



You already have a seal, a freeze, 2 stuns, heals, oneshot avoidance, negative stat avoidance, evasion of magic and physical hits that didn't miss, crit damage buff, shadow escape, 2 teles, speed buffs, anti stun...ffs what more do you want? what more can you have o.O ?

well well, let's see here,

1st- 1 of the stuns you mentioned are same as one of teles you mentioned.

2- Archers, Bms, Wizzies got teles as will, sins teles got the longest CD among the 4 classes.

3-unlike Archers evasion buff and Bms Buddha, ours are always a chance thing.

4-Archers, seekers, bms, barbs ALSO got anti freeze skills.

5-we are the only class with only 1 ranged Atk and again longest Tele CD.

6-every 3rd cast AA got puri which hits on most of the time, so we just hope we can manage a stunlock, like genies wasn't good to anti that already <.<.

7-WE are the only class that got nerfed.

8-WE are the only class that got nothing but useless skills from Morai, well they are good for laughs to be fair.

really now, should I say more?! <.<........

KingClawX - Lost City wrote: »

you get nothing cos you was op from day 1.

if you stop aps maybe the proc wont happen.

maybe instead of aps you use ur skill you was given.

nw is not 1 vs 1 so you dont need anything.

Stunlock isn't apsing....zzzz

and Yes, Nw isn't 1 vs 1, which is why we have the worst survive chance after clerics, rofl.

As a seeker myself this will probably come across as biased but i really dont care since its my own opinion.

Yes we have own def lvl buff,yes we can zerk magic attacks,yes we have anti stun that costs nothin but all i see is you ppl just lookin at good things we have instead of really horrible sides.

As a previous post said on HL ppl mostly just ignore us,Why you ask? Because our dmg is horrible lol.All you ppl use as seeker eg is r9rr have u ever stopped to consider not everyone has money to get r9 to go r9rr people like me for example are g16 3rd cast nirvana wheres the zerk on that?And i can tell you now with g16 weap my dmg is hardly amazing,If i fight equally geared g16 ppl but wow does my dmg look terrible compared to other classes,On a G16 wiz i can average about 2k hits which trust me isnt impressive since wiz will hit me for easily 3-4k dmg a shot,Unless im charmed i cant tank that where as a wiz can tank my dmg if he has any clue wtf his doing.Same goes for archers hit like hell yes i survive them a little better but dmg comparrsion still sucks a**,Now we go onto sins...im fullg16 seeker i use omley for def lvl if a g16 sin double sparks in stealth and comes out with aps,im normally screwed unless i manage to get away in which case the sin will re stealth and just go again which at that time my skills are all on cd,givin sin upper hand

People need to stop b***** about seekers and GOF on magic and sht coz not everyone has it and not every other class is r9rrr either alot of ppl on HL are g16 now,which im thankful for since we have semi decent pvp now,but as i said compare g16 seeker to any other dd class its horrible,So many ppl tell me in mass pvp i should reroll a dd class coz of seeker dmg.

As for def lvl buff can be purged not like its perma buff,our immobilize skill? well unless you have no swords buffs on its 100% proc but minute you put that buff on u drop to what 50%? Anti stun which btw only comes if u get sage version of unfetter and is only 4 sec lol hardly impressive.

In total seekers have 3 skills that actually do fair dmg gemini-long *** casting unless you use affinity,Ion spike-1 spark every time you use it,Edged blur-2 sparks,rest of our skills deal amazingly sh*t dmg, i wont even mention vortex in this case cause if i see a seeker vortexin in pvp it makes me cry and that person should reroll.

Weve already gotten 1 small dmg increase with one of patches but we need another

DanteLamar - Archosaur wrote: »

Stunlock isn't apsing....zzzz

and Yes, Nw isn't 1 vs 1, which is why we have the worst survive chance after clerics, rofl.

Its about time I introduce you to chill of the deep. Its quite handy since sins are so incredibly nerfed and still able to 1 shot full josd recast with theirs.

Cleric because I kill them all the time.
They are squisy, no survival skill, and they don't hit really hard like Mystics do.
They don't have anti stun skill(as far as I know correct me if I'm wrong).

Voted assassin, cause we need higher grade int gear for PVE 5aps farming(armor).