Which Class Needs An Upgrade?

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  • Lolegi - Sanctuary
    Lolegi - Sanctuary Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    any1 mind explaining to me why seekers are " a broken" class?
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »
    Mystic since everyone and their mothers say mystic is the lamest class in pvp.

    ^ that! lol

    as for Demon/Sage plants...NO! Wth for? Nobody EVER says what these Demom/Sage plants will do. 0.o

    Id say Mystics need something, but the LAST thing I could possibly want is Demon/Sage plants.

    I had been hoping we'd get Stealth, and was saddened to see it was given to Archers.

    We are supposed to be able to do everything good - so where is our good STEALTH? b:shutup


    Also, a decent Mystic single player buff (other than the Res Buff, which no one can put on everyone hardly until they get the Morai Mass Res). Sure you could say we already have one with Falling Petals, but I would disagree. Falling Petals is just a HoT spell, and a rather weak one at that. What other classes alleged 'buff' wears off in a minute? 0.o

    Please and Thank you. b:thanks
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Lolegi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    any1 mind explaining to me why seekers are " a broken" class?

    Something about them being as tanky as a Barb while using Sacrificial Slash (Gives 'em attack level while debuffing their defense levels) and Quid Pro Quo'ing said defense level debuff (and possibly the "curse" effect from Crimson Soul Powder too) and dropping a Gemini Slash on someone (w/ potential Zerk+Critical as well for wtfhaxdamage).

    Aside from the Apoth usage, its a strong combo that has little cost.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    WTB 30m leaps. Because walking is still faster
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Supposedly, but when I ticketed to ask, they wouldn't tell me.

    Weird. They told me my kill count.
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  • bitewarrior
    bitewarrior Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Skaitavia wrote: »
    Now that all classes got better skills with the Morai content update, as well as the massive amounts of beefing to the existing skills in the recent-ish skill revamp, I think sins are up for a lil boost.

    Venos/barbs get their new animal forms and skills, as well as some additions to their existing skills (if i remember right) in the next content update. Venos also get their pet system updated and new pets. With that guarantee (at least, PWCN has it), I didn't vote for them.

    I didn't mind that sins didn't get any useful skills from Morai and small updates on skills that aren't useful to sins in both PvP and PvE, but if other classes keep getting benefits of change while sins are left out (Psys are even given great additions and skill revamps!) of the majority of everything, then I predict there is going to be quite a lot of QQ about it eventually.

    I just want something new to play with that would change my tactics. It'd be fun! b:sad

    I must agree, Toxic torrent should be an AOE alike Earthen Rift cuz because is range and the way it AOE makes it useless most of the time and that Sins would benefit from decent AOE, now that been said alot of other class got the same type skills has the sin and it got nothing usefull to compete. So sin could maybe get some similar skill has other class too.

    Everyone is complaining about APS but is there anything else if your not R9 and you still manage to nerfed it. If you want to see sin using lots of skill give him the opportunity to do it and give him skills for PvP not sneaky inventory skills or drop DQ BS.
  • IHaxJoo - Raging Tide
    IHaxJoo - Raging Tide Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Something about them being as tanky as a Barb while using Sacrificial Slash (Gives 'em attack level while debuffing their defense levels) and Quid Pro Quo'ing said defense level debuff (and possibly the "curse" effect from Crimson Soul Powder too) and dropping a Gemini Slash on someone (w/ potential Zerk+Critical as well for wtfhaxdamage).

    Aside from the Apoth usage, its a strong combo that has little cost.

    Seekers are broken but so are every other class with r9r2 lol
    -Lol at a wizard full r9r2 JOSD sharded with 37k phy defense 22k magic def with insane magic damage + purify weapon with over 90 defense level
    -Lol at psychics with white voodoo and r9r2(need i say more)?

    and the said apoth + qpq combo cant be used as often as you want...so no point in taking that into account. I m not saying seekers aren't broken but if you compare them with any other r9r2 class out there with JOSD fully sharded, they're all equally broken. Its just that you see seekers zerk crit with insane damage to anyone lower geared than them thts y they're so overexaggerated.

    In all honestly, all classes should be nerfed and all JOSDs should be taken out b:thanks
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Know what? F an upgrade to bm's

    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD can mele range just be made close range?

    Oh and the grandpa start on leaps (wiz/archer seem to have it to but its the worst by far on leaps)

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  • SxeChik - Archosaur
    SxeChik - Archosaur Posts: 128 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I voted for veno but I want my cleric to have bramble as well b:sad maybe increase the duration of Guardian Light to 20s b:cute and would be great if pwi gives us leaps left/right-back/forth too b:kiss love yall
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  • plusonepostcount
    plusonepostcount Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Most of the problem is the game has become heavily gear dependant and the only way anyone even considers building these characters is with r9 throw on some npc white gears no shards/refines/gems and an npc weapon and go off shear raw stats an skill lvls no charms either then see who's still winning in the fights guarantee it will be the first class to get off a control skill 90% of the time.

    I think theres still alot of frost babies playing as well that don't neccisarily know all the ins and outs of each class as well or different way's to build classes. However there are some skills still coming for barbs/venos transforms and not sure how they will effect those as well as if we will even get the skills that go with them and not just the new look of them. Though a rough translation of one of the veno skills said it increased evasion 400% for a period as well as something bout unable to get a killing blow but dun take my word for it google translate is horrible.

    But again every class or really should be saying player is completely gear dependant nowadays throw on some TT90 greens and go at it and see how well you fair against other players same lvl/gear and quit relying on these op azz stats from r9 weapons with things like crit zerk and purify. The game has been ridiculously broken balance wise ever since the tideborn expansion everyone know's this. However it doesn't matter anymore since the game became extremely gear dependant. Hell players used to run full GV's in TT90 green/golds now players can barely finish it 50% of the time cause they wipe on a stun wave and are like oh well can't get passed this.

    Its more to the fact that now aday's players just want a tank and spank everything including pvp battles instead of just button mashing and expecting to one shot and bypass a charm why not figure out some tactics that allow you to take down some other class at least 50% of the time or more.

    I know on my seek which I've been playing more at the moment in nw gets more kills than any other class I have or play sheerly cause I can one shot several other classes and not by relying on a crit or zerk I wait till they're distracted then find a good target with more of his teamates around him and blade afinity ion spike for decent damage as well as metal debuff and then gemini hitting psy's as well as bm's for 15k+ sometimes and I'm not even full 3rd cast nv just have a 3rd cast nv weap and these are other players that are fairly decently geared its more of knowing when to use skills how they're best used and what situation to use them in instead of just mashing the same rotation of CC skills over and over. I know I'm far from being on par with alot of the other players on lc simply cause I refuse to put out the kind of rl cash it takes to get r9 and dont plan on spending 8 hours a day farming 3 months for it either I much rather spend that time irl doing something productive

    Again however throw on some lowbie gears get rid of the op *** refines shards and charms and see how far it gets you in the game pvp wise and see how your class truly stacks up against others when your not completely reliant on your gear to survive.
  • geestring
    geestring Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    i think sins should be able to see archers same lvl or use sin pots because its stupid that archers get force stealth no1 can see them and they can use sin pots to see sins archers have everything archers are far from needing any upgrade if anything non aps sins and venos need it everything else has every other class has what they need
  • EithanPsy - Heavens Tear
    EithanPsy - Heavens Tear Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    psys def need new skills or atleast take the broke off our morai skill cause it takes too damn long i never use it and make our buffs not depend on soulforce
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The only thing venos need upgrade for is the people playing them.
  • blacks
    blacks Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    veno need an upgrade in skill animation..im tired of shooting different colored dust balls non stop..of all the games i played venos in pwi have the worst looks skills i ever saw
  • kenpachikensai
    kenpachikensai Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    blacks wrote: »
    veno need an upgrade in skill animation..im tired of shooting different colored dust balls non stop..of all the games i played venos in pwi have the worst looks skills i ever saw

    actually, it's not just the venos. all six of the original classes need new skill animations.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    kenpachikensai wrote: »
    actually, it's not just the venos. all six of the original classes need new skill animations.

    At least your class have different animation for skills, mystic have many different skills with the same animation.

    AOE ress buff and Gaia's blessing (huge heal) have the same animation, so people think we just AOE ress buff will we just saved their butt with our heal and we have 2 other skills with the same animation.
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  • taringa181
    taringa181 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    sins need what? who said sins need a buff in class skills is just full ****** either doesnt know how to properly play his class\faced overgeared chars in pvp
    aren't 200 atk lvl 2spark subsea rift torrent aoes enough?

    archers need what? stealth amp nukes 2x no chi leaps 2x anti stuns full chi gain skill are you ****ing kidding me?
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    taringa181 wrote: »
    archers need what? stealth amp nukes 2x no chi leaps 2x anti stuns full chi gain skill are you ****ing kidding me?

    lol 'archer nukes'
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    seeker could use more upgrades b:cute ...................teehee
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  • taringa181
    taringa181 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    throwing a ztp bv deadly shot from stealth isnt a nuke? also highest base damage overall

    imo mystics need more firepower, venos need damage sustain skills, wizard need them aswell put their own buffs unpurgeable like psy souls, and all HAs deftly need a nerf especially seeker
  • Tulipia - Dreamweaver
    Tulipia - Dreamweaver Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Mystics. b:cute

    Make my plants not die from boss' aoe mk, mk.
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    zirgogalva1 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    taringa181 wrote: »

    imo mystics need more firepower

    LOL, I steal aggro from 5aps sin/bm with my pro +5 glaive of nirvy, mystic don't need more power they need something epic and OP that people will stop to say mystic is the worse class to play in PVP, something like AOE purge/AMP/DG in one skill with maybe 300 sec cd, but something that people will say ok mystic have something.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    taringa181 wrote: »
    throwing a ztp bv deadly shot from stealth isnt a nuke? also highest base damage overall

    This pretty much verifies how little you know. Please limit your QQ to things that you understand. If you think DS is a nuke, you're sorely misinformed.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This pretty much verifies how little you know. Please limit your QQ to things that you understand. If you think DS is a nuke, you're sorely misinformed.

    But it takes 3 seconds to channel! Stuff that takes 3 seconds to channel does insane high damage right?
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  • taringa181
    taringa181 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    wtf u want to have wizards nuke-like skill damage being able to stealth? then aim low instead of that or w.e.... archer 'nukes' may have high channelling time but cast time is ridicolous in the time of a ztp u can throw bv deadly aim low morai aoe then stun arrow and qs... still not as broken as seekers tho... or barb deaden nerves.... or blade tornado

    then k give stealth to wizards or 30 sec amp to wizards or full chi skill to wizards or 2x no chi cost leaps to wizards or 2x anti stuns to wizards or no chi cost max ranged stun and +crit rate to wizards
  • darknessofmy
    darknessofmy Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Sorry, but to a lot of people, the point of PvP games is the competitive gameplay and for them that means the ultimate goal is to win no matter what. They play not to have fun but to win. They get their enjoyment from winning. It's not wrong to play like this though, that's how competitive games work. I'm sure If you played LoL more and got into the competitive scene, you would understand how they feel.
  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited March 2013
    taringa181 wrote: »
    wtf u want to have wizards nuke-like skill damage being able to stealth? then aim low instead of that or w.e.... archer 'nukes' may have high channelling time but cast time is ridicolous in the time of a ztp u can throw bv deadly aim low morai aoe then stun arrow and qs... still not as broken as seekers tho... or barb deaden nerves.... or blade tornado

    then k give stealth to wizards or 30 sec amp to wizards or full chi skill to wizards or 2x no chi cost leaps to wizards or 2x anti stuns to wizards or no chi cost max ranged stun and +crit rate to wizards

    ... I'm sorry but you obviously have NO clue what you're talking about. I tried to take it seriously but I just couldn't and wound up doing nothing but laughing instead.

    Go reroll an archer and play one for a while. Then try actual PK on it against people who have a brain and are willing to fight at whatever your gear level may be. Come back after they laugh at the stuff you're proposing while you keep losing every fight.
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  • taringa181
    taringa181 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    OPKossy wrote: »
    ... I'm sorry but you obviously have NO clue what you're talking about. I tried to take it seriously but I just couldn't and wound up doing nothing but laughing instead.

    Go reroll an archer and play one for a while. Then try actual PK on it against people who have a brain and are willing to fight at whatever your gear level may be. Come back after they laugh at the stuff you're proposing while you keep losing every fight.

    i was obiouvsly sarcastic...

    then howabout remove close range damage halve, remove 1 spark cost from wog and alacrity and put bv and awaken cd to 60 seconds?
    also why not give 4 leaps right left then forward and backward?

    really LAs dont need any damn buff in their class skills.
  • geestring
    geestring Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    well you should learn to play your class or reroll and as for some skills like the barbs deaden and damage stack i have no problem with that but its more of a tw skill since they get ganked like **** as for normal pvp no otherwise bring back veno reflect which would suck for as a sin but tryin to kill a barb with a deaden and stack damage skill......might as well fight a guard and as iv mentioned about the archers earlier but apart from that i dont mind every other class of what they have. apart from that psy freeze though ad and ig kinda annoying but makes me lol at the same time.b:laugh

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