Which one or two skills tipped sage/demon for you?

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Plus, you can't really complain about Craggs two spark cost when you're recommending replacing it with GF+Thicket combo which requires 2.3 sparks and 5 seconds of channeling time. Not to mention Crag has a few aoes also.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Cragglord usually is summoned prior to the mobs in delta/aoe situations. His aoe damage is basically passive because it requires no channeling or focus really. The only thing that does require focus is resummoning a Mistress to start using her aoes. Plus, you can't really complain about Craggs two spark cost when you're recommending replacing it with GF+Thicket combo which requires 2.3 sparks and 5 seconds of channeling time. Not to mention Crag has a few aoes also.

Which I kind of like demon for the fact that this combo of Cragg->Storm has a 25% chance of costing only 1 spark, and summoning Storm then gives 30 back.

Questions:
~Crags explosion vs GF damagewise? Pretty sure cragg explodes physical and Gale is wood damage.

As others said cragg have a physical and magical attack, but as tweakz said the range is short and for the AOE magic if the target is not close he will walk to the target (when your cragg walk 5 sec to get to a target the 20 sec go fast), but for the physical one he don't move to the target so if the target is to far the skill is cast, but don't damage, it's not like us if the target is far and we use a skill our char walk to the target then cast it, well with cragg it cast it nvm if the target is out of range.

~Can you overwrite Mass Resurrection with Resurrection (buff everyone at the start with MR, then replace as you run)

I can't answer that since I'm sage, but by logic I'm sure demon mystic AOE ress buff the squad and don't waste mana to ress buff people one by one after AOE ress buff and for some reasons some people care about mp, ress buff one by one cost 17.4k mana for a squad of 6, for something like TW/NW that would be 29k (plus one by one is long cause 30 sec of cd) so I guess demon will AOE ress and single buff ress when people die and need it again, I would personally not waste 17.4k-29k mana to ress one by one when I can AOE ress buff all for 3.9k mana.

The reason ''less charm ticks'' is ****, other class are happy to get ress buff so demon or sage people don't care cause they have ress buff, people don't ask me if I have sage or demon ress buff, they say simply ''Yay ress buff'', usually when you die you charm did tick so when I ress myself I trow a BitC and my charm don't tick or same on someone else, the charm have 10 sec cd, so if the person ress ASAP I trow a BitC and the charm don't tick.

~Falling Petals, does it recover your mana or targets?

Our mana, but we recover less then the skill cost, that was a skill people was telling me make them go demon cause it stay 4 more minutes, but at the end if the person get hit 5 seconds after you cast it it will be gone as fast as sage.

~Any of the new pet skills learned at lvl 11 notable?

Salvation got the AOE shield so yes it's useful in PVP and PVE.
Devil got a boost on his attack, I use only devil in PVP for stun so to me the third skill is not useful.
Mistress get a skill that silence, useful in PVP.

~There was an argument the other day over demon Verdant Shell's "status evasion". Its status effects, like Tidal Protection does right? Someone was saying it negates attack like Focus Mind, not TP.

I'm sage so I don't know about that, I'll let a demon answer that.

~Clarifying Energy Leech: sage goes to 9 seconds. Demon has a 50% for to be immune for 10 seconds or just 10 seconds of speed boost.

Demon don't have chance to be immune, they have 50% chance to increase movement speed by 60% for 10 seconds. Sage 9 sec anti stun (total).

mrcharlyplustwo wrote: »

Why do you say it's a fail squad? I use Salvation if I'm working as sole healer - keep shield up on the tank, cast it on the tank before tank pulls etc.

Salvation's shield doesn't pull aggro, so it's useful if a squad member has to pull a boss away - say if the tank dies and someone else pulls the boss so tank can revive and rebuff.

Please bear in mind I'm only lvl86 so not been in instances past bh79 (but have managed to be sole healer in there and bh69).
Rock on sage so I can get chance of purify.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

"Which skill (or two) were the game changers that made you pick sage over demon or demon instead of sage?" What skill are you impressed with, or do you love the most as a sage or demon mystic?

Jelloid - Sanctuary wrote: »

I meant HP charm lol b:surrender

Jelloid - Sanctuary wrote: »

I chose to be demon because of the BiTC and res buff. I could gain chi in between breaks such as before starting a pull in warsong or in between waves in delta.

Kyrael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I chose demon because of BitC, verdant shell, gale force, thicket, and summons mostly.

Honestly, it was a tough choice. I think the two paths are very balanced. BitC and summons let you get a large amount of chi very quickly outside of battle

CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

Does it matter for GV? No. Does it matter for TW and NW? Yes. Every second counts there and the faster you can chi up the faster you can get back into action.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thought I'd update with what I chose and give my reasons. It's been 2-3 weeks since I got most the responses and I've come back to this thread 10-15 times, lol. I've also gone over ecatomb's comparison list 10+ times.

I finally chose demon.

The three skills that tipped it for me fall under the "support" category:

Cloud Comfort- I had to weigh Cloud Comforts 35% chance at a squad purify vs BitCs 25% chance of purify. CC has higher odds, but also a longer cast time, longer cooldown, and cannot be used on member outside a squad. BitC only effects 1 player and has a lower chance or success. I weighed the 35% chance of it working on 6 people vs the 25% chance of having to do it for 6 people individually vs the need to purify only 1 person and having a roughly 3 second channel and cast (after -channeling gear) skill with 6 second cooldown. I chose CC for the higher success rate. When you need something to work its better to gamble on the higher odds for 1 time success, rather than spam success.

Gale Force + Thicket combo- I believe GFs freeze rate is 50%. If demon actually increases it 35% that is an 85% success rate, meaning only 15% of the mobs are running and pissing off my squad mates. If Thicket also has a roughly 50% success rate that means half of the 15% mobs missed will be freezed too, and they may get Thickets 9 second curse effect. So (assuming 50% success rate on both skills, I could be wrong here) thats 92.5% of mobs frozen and 25% of mobs cursed. One of my fears was having a mystic that really can't aoe because it makes mobs scatter but this makes aoeing worth it.



All other skills were balanced enough or chi based and chi management can be done with playstyle. I've played veno and cleric and constantly heal players and pets to keep up my chi. Also, every character I have has a genie with cloud eruption on it except my veno. My mystic will have cloud eruption and will probably spam it, which is what I do on most chars. I'm used to it and its become part of my playstyle. Pets aren't something I resummon often (summon once, keep alive until you need a different summon). So 15 chi vs 155 less mana cost wasn't a big deal. The only pet that I went "ooohhh" for a skill was sage Cragg and I don't use my Cragg enough for that to weigh heavily.

CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes the Comforting Mist procs seperately for each person in squad. So generally two out of six people will get purified in squad with use. Still has way too much cooldown to be of much use.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

So is it 35% chance of proc on each person or 35% to proc then randomly work on some people?