Raging Tide's TW state

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  • skaitavia
    skaitavia Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I was answering your part about PvP being dead. Nothing will solve TW at the point. That's what this whole discussion lead to.
  • Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide
    Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Do you even go to this school?

    Well anyways regardless of who is to blame, pvp is dead. Idk about you but I didn't gear my char up for 5 min wined tws, no pk and face rolling 1 shots in NW.

    The whole competitive aspect of this game is gone. And I'm not just talking about vicious btw.
    QQme rolled Levi too and both factions have ample end game characters.

    Tbh the best thing would be a server merge. But that's out of our control for the most part.
    Can't we just do something as a server lol rather than make this a troll thread of qqme vs vicious.

    then maybe you should go back to Wanted
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Skaitavia wrote: »
    I was answering your part about PvP being dead. Nothing will solve TW at the point. That's what this whole discussion lead to.

    I agree. Perhaps, if some miracle could attract new players (not to be confused with creating new alts) into the game like it was a year and a half ago, the entire game could see a revival, including TW.

    The older players are slowly trickling away from PWI, and with nothing new coming in, the system is what it is unless something player-crafted becomes a good fix. Feining either or happening, you have what you have. Enjoy it! Make yourself love it! Its what was created afterall.

    No one has to change, everything can stay as perfect as it is. b:victory
  • Arawin - Raging Tide
    Arawin - Raging Tide Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Skaitavia wrote: »
    I was answering your part about PvP being dead. Nothing will solve TW at the point. That's what this whole discussion lead to.

    I kinda agree.

    As much as I'd love to "solve" TW... it seems 97% of people are set in their ways.

    There's only 2 ways to solve TW on RT at this point:

    1) PWE does a server merge or major content change.
    2) Enough people care enough (And are willing to make some sacrifices) to do something ourselves.

    For 2, we need a large group to be willing to work together to "balance" out TW. A large group from multiple factions. Especially Vici, Levi and QQ. (Since they're the top facs.) From the responses I've seen, that simply seems unlikely.

    On a positive note, Levi actually seems to be trying to grow stronger. So maybe some QQMe/Levi TW will be possible soon. (I died TWICE in last night's TW. One of levi crit me for 35k! even!!)


    And I 100% agree with Skai. Not only Fac-VS-Fac PK. Player run tournaments could be really fun. Either large scale 10v10 as Nuff is doing, or small scale 1v1 or 3v3. I've been doing 1v1 and 2v2 within QQme lately, and we have a lot of fun. Including others would also be fun. I don't think we need prizes, simply "winning" and having a video posted should be enough reward. At least for me.
  • _VX_ - Raging Tide
    _VX_ - Raging Tide Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Do you even go to this school?

    Well anyways regardless of who is to blame, pvp is dead. Idk about you but I didn't gear my char up for 5 min wined tws, no pk and face rolling 1 shots in NW.

    The whole competitive aspect of this game is gone. And I'm not just talking about vicious btw.
    QQme rolled Levi too and both factions have ample end game characters.
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    why joined vicious when vicious dint need you for TWs? I understand the frustration of vicious original/old members that was on the old times fighting to obtain the #1 spot, but those new vicious members QQing , complaining about lack of tw, they joined when vicious din't need them , when vicious was already in the top and roll qqme in minutes on tws, those persons has no right to talktrash ,demand or QQ.Half of vicious are bandwagoners that only joined vicious in the good times, when the good times end they will jump the ship.

    If you are one of those new members that joined vicious knowing that vicious is the top faction and have problems about lack of fun tw stop talktrashing, QQing and join another tw faction like levi,valk,marines,bloodbath ect . But it seems many of those new members don't want to leave the bandwagon train, will suck if some from the original vicious core has to leave to find fun or keep a balance.

    bahavy leave vicious and join another faction or stop complaining !!!
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    why joined vicious when vicious dint need you for TWs? I understand the frustration of vicious original/old members that was on the old times fighting to obtain the #1 spot, but those new vicious members QQing , complaining about lack of tw, they joined when vicious din't need them , when vicious was already in the top and roll qqme in minutes on tws, those persons has no right to talktrash ,demand or QQ.Half of vicious are bandwagoners that only joined vicious in the good times, when the good times end they will jump the ship.

    If you are one of those new members that joined vicious knowing that vicious is the top faction and have problems about lack of fun tw stop talktrashing, QQing and join another tw faction like levi,valk,marines,bloodbath ect . But it seems many of those new members don't want to leave the bandwagon train, will suck if some from the original vicious core has to leave to find fun or keep a balance.

    bahavy leave vicious and join another faction or stop complaining !!!


    +1. That's what everyone should do. Do something or be quiet, lol. b:chuckle
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I kinda agree.

    As much as I'd love to "solve" TW... it seems 97% of people are set in their ways.

    There's only 2 ways to solve TW on RT at this point:

    1) PWE does a server merge or major content change.

    I think that would be a last minute effort to delay an inevitable game crash in population. Creating servers makes a game look prosperous, removing servers does not.

    Personally, Im not against the idea, except that its reductive and not progressive. I can say that as 1% of what makes PWI what it is (the players), if I lost one coin or any of my hard earned stuff it would probably end my game play for good.


    2) Enough people care enough (And are willing to make some sacrifices) to do something ourselves.

    That's always a good option. Anything player-created is usually better than anything 'dev' created anyway. Not to dis the Devs, but players can become pretty intimate with a game. b:chuckle

    For 2, we need a large group to be willing to work together to "balance" out TW. A large group from multiple factions. Especially Vici, Levi and QQ. (Since they're the top facs.) From the responses I've seen, that simply seems unlikely.

    On a positive note, Levi actually seems to be trying to grow stronger. So maybe some QQMe/Levi TW will be possible soon. (I died TWICE in last night's TW. One of levi crit me for 35k! even!!)


    And I 100% agree with Skai. Not only Fac-VS-Fac PK. Player run tournaments could be really fun. Either large scale 10v10 as Nuff is doing, or small scale 1v1 or 3v3. I've been doing 1v1 and 2v2 within QQme lately, and we have a lot of fun. Including others would also be fun. I don't think we need prizes, simply "winning" and having a video posted should be enough reward. At least for me.


    Sorry for interrupting your post before. You are very 'on topic'! b:thanks
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    then maybe you should go back to Wanted

    I would still be there if everyone hasn't joined Levi.
    And the reason I joined vicious was because I didn't want to be anywhere else. I have never joined a faction based on whether they need me or not.

    You talk as if I foresaw this outcome. I did not. Neither am I "QQing" but I'm not the only one complaining.

    You expect me to leave my friends to save the server?

    It seems Raging Tides has selected their champion.. b:shocked

    Or scapegoat.

    Either way it takes more than one man, no matter how epically red his hair is and like so many have said, it's not just vicious. When you point your finger there's 3 pointing back. QQme are going to have to relinquish players as well as vicious to balance tw. Maybe not by so much.

    Not only this, where do you geniuses propose I go? I am loyal to factions im in. its unfair of so many to say its my fault for being a new member of vicious so i should be the one to leave and apply somewhere else - most likely leviathan. Or is that the point. The self sacrifice I'd have to make for being Raging Tides saviour is that I don't go anywhere at all and remain factionless?

    Aw shucks you guys know how to make a man blushb:cute
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    It's all good, Vicious with their OPs, QQme with theirs.

    We got to the conclusion that after 3x pages...about state of TW on RT, that nobody is willing to do anything so the state stays the same.

    Good constructive conversation. :) It helped alot. At least you guys manage to insult me at large, ofc, under the watchful eye of Skai.


    I do hope Vicious never has a good TW. I do not believe you deserve that yet.
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Bah... What I think we should do, is like vici members were talking about on the official pw rt forums... our faction needs to "nut up" they said. They said we have the members to compete vs them in tw, and I think, if we do have what they claim... what we need is a new tw tactic... And this is should work, they'll never know what hit them!

    We will send one third of our members down lane B. The other two thirds down lane D! We will be unstoppable! b:victory
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  • Lecus - Lost City
    Lecus - Lost City Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Because one archer going back to Wanted is going to change the TW state. That makes so much logical sense.

    Also if QQme wants to wine TWs I don't mind walking to their crystal and taking free coins from them at a cost of nothing to me other then me moving my character down B lane well I read a book or something.
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I would still be there if everyone hasn't joined Levi.
    And the reason I joined vicious was because I didn't want to be anywhere else. I have never joined a faction based on whether they need me or not.

    You talk as if I foresaw this outcome. I did not. Neither am I "QQing" but I'm not the only one complaining.

    You expect me to leave my friends to save the server?

    It seems Raging Tides has selected their champion.. b:shocked

    Or scapegoat.

    Either way it takes more than one man, no matter how epically red his hair is and like so many have said, it's not just vicious. When you point your finger there's 3 pointing back. QQme are going to have to relinquish players as well as vicious to balance tw. Maybe not by so much.

    Not only this, where do you geniuses propose I go? I am loyal to factions im in. its unfair of so many to say its my fault for being a new member of vicious so i should be the one to leave and apply somewhere else - most likely leviathan. Or is that the point. The self sacrifice I'd have to make for being Raging Tides saviour is that I don't go anywhere at all and remain factionless?

    Aw shucks you guys know how to make a man blushb:cute


    No one said you had to do anything, but if no one does anything, who really has a right to complain?

    If your love for Vicious and your factionmates is greater than you love for a good TW, thats just fine. Embrace it! Roll with it! Tell everyone how great it is. Its what you like, and you are certainly entitled.

    Its hardly fair to put the end result on your shoulders, however, since you are complaining, it sort of comes to rest there anyway. b:chuckle
  • Phobik_ - Raging Tide
    Phobik_ - Raging Tide Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Good talk rt, next time maybe we can approach a complicated subject like which colour is better pink or green....
  • Arawin - Raging Tide
    Arawin - Raging Tide Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Because one archer going back to Wanted is going to change the TW state. That makes so much logical sense.

    Also if QQme wants to wine TWs I don't mind walking to their crystal and taking free coins from them at a cost of nothing to me other then me moving my character down B lane well I read a book or something.

    lolol
    says the level 2.

    Sorry, I hate to troll, but this one realllllly made me laugh. I keep my coins in the bank, thank you very much. :)
  • Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide
    Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I would still be there if everyone hasn't joined Levi.

    lol everyone joined levi? when did that happen and where are all these supposed people hiding.. cuz last i saw, they went to vicious and qqme..
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    lol everyone joined levi? when did that happen and where are all these supposed people hiding.. cuz last i saw, they went to vicious and qqme..

    +1Tony b:surrender
    If someone hates you for no reason, then give that **** a reason!b:chuckle
  • BungaSakura - Raging Tide
    BungaSakura - Raging Tide Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Maybe vicious will be dead cause of we are so good. Maybe vicious so evil cause of answering all the envy with trolling and raging. everything is maybe. once vicious dead, maybe those people who cant win in TW will be happy.

    But some of the faction who get benefit from vicious dead, will never be better if never learn the mistakes they created and blaming outsider. these faction might be bigger after vicious dead. But it wont be long, cause lack of learning their own mistakes.
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Maybe vicious will be dead cause of we are so good. Maybe vicious so evil cause of answering all the envy with trolling and raging. everything is maybe. once vicious dead, maybe those people who cant win in TW will be happy.

    But some of the faction who get benefit from vicious dead, will never be better if never learn the mistakes they created and blaming outsider. these faction might be bigger after vicious dead. But it wont be long, cause lack of learning their own mistakes.

    Could you be a little more specific. Some of what faction gets benefit from Vicious dead? I dont think anyone is asking Vicious to die - at least not seriously, lol. b:chuckle

    Does any TW faction really benefit from another faction up and dying?
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Does any TW faction really benefit from another faction up and dying?

    Of course, but it's only a temporary gain. They have learned nothing from it and it wouldn't take long for a more experience or ambitious faction to take them out just as easily.
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  • BungaSakura - Raging Tide
    BungaSakura - Raging Tide Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Could you be a little more specific. Some of what faction gets benefit from Vicious dead? I dont think anyone is asking Vicious to die - at least not seriously, lol. b:chuckle

    Does any TW faction really benefit from another faction up and dying?

    i dont have to name a faction. BY saying happy is not real happy and wants vici dead. NO, but get the benefit by vici gone.

    how long have u been playing this game? i can see u haven't explore and see history of RT much. vicious rich cause we have many lands, helps alot their member to improve their gear. tourney give good coin too. also give benefit to members. if vici gone, those money should go to faction that have the land. Dont say those faction don't want lands and only vicious wants it. cause u can see the map, some faction still have lands.

    Coin, e-power those things are tends to corrupt. i remember once,i had leader that MIA with coin and items worth 1 billion, or i saw a faction almost dead cause of bad leadership etc.
  • Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide
    Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Could you be a little more specific. Some of what faction gets benefit from Vicious dead? I dont think anyone is asking Vicious to die - at least not seriously, lol. b:chuckle

    Does any TW faction really benefit from another faction up and dying?

    when infamy died.. qqme gained the power
    when qqme semi died.. levi held the power
    when qqme rose.. they took it back
    when qqme semi died again.. vicious took the power
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  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    when infamy died.. qqme gained the power
    when qqme semi died.. levi held the power
    when qqme rose.. they took it back
    when qqme semi died again.. vicious took the power

    qqme didnt need to "semi die" for vicious to take the power. your a smart guy tony, you know better than to let your personal feelings cloud your judgment. when it boils down to it, vicious busted their ***** against all odds to achieve what they have. simply put, vicious is not going to give that up. if a faction wants to be #1, they have to earn it from vicious, not hope we roll over and die, because it isnt going to happen.
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  • Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide
    Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    qqme didnt need to "semi die" for vicious to take the power. your a smart guy tony, you know better than to let your personal feelings cloud your judgment. when it boils down to it, vicious busted their ***** against all odds to achieve what they have. simply put, vicious is not going to give that up. if a faction wants to be #1, they have to earn it from vicious, not hope we roll over and die, because it isnt going to happen.

    so im just imagining the whole zoo thing.. not saying qqme was putting up a fight but still.. that did happen
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  • Madrigorian - Raging Tide
    Madrigorian - Raging Tide Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 2013

    then you sent your pawn madrigorian to harrass farseer



    ROFL,...
    Pawn? What are you on about? I am Spell_Castro's Alt. Duh...

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  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    ROFL,...
    Pawn? What are you on about? I am Spell_Castro's Alt. Duh...

    ~Mad

    i used to respect you mad until i heard you made farseer quit the game. he was one of my best friends on PWI.
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i dont have to name a faction. BY saying happy is not real happy and wants vici dead. NO, but get the benefit by vici gone.

    Hey, you know more than I do about the politics, no doubt. Im not sure that knowledge really reaches beyond the top 2. From my prespective, it will never benefit either Vicious or QQme for either one to die. Sorry, if Im sadly mistaken, but I dont really see how.

    how long have u been playing this game?

    Ive been playing a little under 2 years. Sorry if thats supposed to mean I dont count. I know anything. I may not know what you know, but I am certainly not looking through your eyes either.


    i can see u haven't explore and see history of RT much.

    You have no clue what I have and havent done. What you see is only reflections that exist in your mind only.

    vicious rich cause we have many lands, helps alot their member to improve their gear. tourney give good coin too. also give benefit to members. if vici gone, those money should go to faction that have the land. Dont say those faction don't want lands and only vicious wants it. cause u can see the map, some faction still have lands.

    Coin, e-power those things are tends to corrupt. i remember once,i had leader that MIA with coin and items worth 1 billion, or i saw a faction almost dead cause of bad leadership etc.

    Okay, right. b:chuckle
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    lol everyone joined levi? when did that happen and where are all these supposed people hiding.. cuz last i saw, they went to vicious and qqme..

    2 people from wanted went to Vicious
    6 went to QQme.
    The rest went either factionless or to leviathan before wanted died.. you were there in wanted. Now you're in levi... see how it works?
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  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    so im just imagining the whole zoo thing.. not saying qqme was putting up a fight but still.. that did happen

    We were beating them before the whole Zoo dilemma and before the whatever that faction name merge was but good observation, I see that you make sure you get facts before typing nonsense.
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  • Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide
    Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    2 people from wanted went to Vicious
    6 went to QQme.
    The rest went either factionless or to leviathan before wanted died.. you were there in wanted. Now you're in levi... see how it works?

    There were a handful of people in leviathan 4 months before last map reset (before \/atican took lead of levi and went afk) left to rebuild Wanted.. those same people kept alts in Levi.. and i guess those are the people you claim came back to Levi.. which was like 2-4 people.. and you know how many apps we had in like the last 3 months.. less than 20 i can tell you that.. and none of them list wanted as their previous guild..

    Leviathan is my original guild.. been here for 96% of my time on this server..
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  • Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide
    Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We were beating them before the whole Zoo dilemma and before the whatever that faction name merge was but good observation, I see that you make sure you get facts before typing nonsense.

    yea that Zoo debacle cost QQme their #2 spot.. and the Zoo breakup gave Vicious more members.. further increasing Vicious power..
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