Which barebones r9+10 would be most competitive with r9+10/12 fully shaded?

taringa181 wrote: »

gg i wanna reroll seeker

wizards need at least a channelling cut to match up with the other classes

No. We've already established that you just suck at wiz

Skaitavia wrote: »

I don't know any other class that can hit 80k on a full r9r2 barb in invoke fully buffed.

Seekers are brokenly-overpowered. In both the defense department and offense department.

seekers arent OP -.- i only wish.
invoke probably wore off cause i know i dont hit that hard with my R9r3+12 sword....

ANY class that can zerk crit is OP
Zerk critting archers who shoot from 38458 feet away? OP
Psy stunning the hoo haa out of you and critting you? OP

I think some pple fail to take into account that some of these so called super crits that seekers dish out, are combos that take

1- a good while to CD
2- 5-6 skills in succession= takes longer= can be interrupted QUITE often.


In fact i see a few VERY PROMINENT OP pple in this thread that thrive on their characters, soloing pretty much every instance and every boss, every PVP content, complaining about a seeker, a class they will never be even though they have the $$ to fully R9r3 it, cause its not AS good. What is this BS

@OP
Id try a psy or an archer....

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

ANY class that can zerk crit is OP
Zerk critting archers who shoot from 38458 feet away? OP

Um... b:puzzled

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Um... b:puzzled

crit crit :P you know what i mean lol dont point that out

Rerum - Sanctuary wrote: »

The issue with seekers is Quid Pro Quo, that skill MUST be changed so it wont transfer the defense level debuff from Sacrificial Slash to the target. Seekers MUST NOT have a skill that increases attack level and/or decreases target defense level with NO PENALTY, no chi cost and every 30 seconds, lets not even mention critical zerks please.. what are the developers in china thinking?

Regarding the OP why would you play a squishy class when seekers can deal so much damage and tank almost anything? have you seen the damage rankings lately? is either a seeker or arma barb winning every week.

balanced = making it into a class that anyone would be willing to play if it suits their play style. Not nerfing all the traits that you personally find irritating to you and cant work around with.

Every class has their pros and cons. By your description, if i hadnt played the game before, id flock to being a seeker. Only to realize such fantasies dont occur unless i become that 5% of the servers top ranking gears b:surrender

Rerum - Sanctuary wrote: »

The issue with seekers is Quid Pro Quo, that skill MUST be changed so it wont transfer the defense level debuff from Sacrificial Slash to the target. Seekers MUST NOT have a skill that increases attack level and/or decreases target defense level with NO PENALTY, no chi cost and every 30 seconds, lets not even mention critical zerks please.. what are the developers in china thinking?

Regarding the OP why would you play a squishy class when seekers can deal so much damage and tank almost anything? have you seen the damage rankings lately? is either a seeker or arma barb winning every week.

Is it just me or have Seekers replaced Sins as the new QQ class ? b:avoid

Rerum - Sanctuary wrote: »

The issue with seekers is Quid Pro Quo, that skill MUST be changed so it wont transfer the defense level debuff from Sacrificial Slash to the target. Seekers MUST NOT have a skill that increases attack level and/or decreases target defense level with NO PENALTY, no chi cost and every 30 seconds, lets not even mention critical zerks please.. what are the developers in china thinking?

Regarding the OP why would you play a squishy class when seekers can deal so much damage and tank almost anything? have you seen the damage rankings lately? is either a seeker or arma barb winning every week.

Well I agree the ability to transfer the defense level debuff could be changed that it cannot be QPQed, that in and of itself would fix a lot of things for people annoyed by seekers.

Also the fact that seeker can increase their attack levels while decreasing their defense levels is not really OP or broken in my opinion since technically the penalty is the decreased def levels. After all Psychic's voodoos are basically the same thing. Nor do I agree their ability to decrease their targets attack/def levels via SM is OP.

As much as a seeker can dish out huge damage with GoF crits their only fall back in the end is their lack of anti stun, which is what usually ends up getting them killed. And in all honesty the QPQ sacrificial slash set up is quite easily detectable unless your distracted in group PK.The only thing in my mind that is a pain is again the ability to QPQ sacrificial slash.

And yes it is quite funny how seekers are now the new class to complain about. I so sure a few months back it was complaining about how underpowered they are.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Whenever I QPQ/sacrif slash combo onto someone, I always start with BA first for the channeling buff. Then using hot keys it doesn't take more than half second to debuff someone with that combo (particularly since QPQ has an instant cast). Then of course if sage QPQ the person is both debuffed and silenced and thus can't counter unless burn through genie or something.

this +1 only way to block an inteligent seeker comboing is genie, because we can easily drop sac slash and quid in the blade affinity, +gemini and arme nier during BA and the silence of quid

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Whenever I QPQ/sacrif slash combo onto someone, I always start with BA first for the channeling buff. Then using hot keys it doesn't take more than half second to debuff someone with that combo (particularly since QPQ has an instant cast). Then of course if sage QPQ the person is both debuffed and silenced and thus can't counter unless burn through genie or something.

Forgive me I did not clarify what I meant by 'easily detectable'. What I mean is for example in a 1v1 situation once you see the BA followed by SS or just in general SS anywhere in their combo, it is a pretty good indication the seeker is probably going for some kind of 1 shot or charm bypass, hence what I mean by easily detectable. And yes unless you are not stunned initially you will have no other option but to use your genie to shield against their combo or burn an apoth ->IF<- need be.

In a group setting of course you really have to learn to pay attention to your buff tab to ensure you have not been hit with it, aka learning what the debuff icon looks like. But of course if you have already wasted your genie/apoth and are stunned and get hit with that combo. You can only pray you have enough survivability and the seeker does not land a GoF on you.

As a heavy armour class 1v1ing a seeker, it is easy to forget you can make use of a very nifty genie skill called heart of steel(if I got the name right). It is basically Metal immunity for 8 seconds and can be spammed. If you see a seeker using that combo chances are they are planning to drop metal attacks which would make sense against HA. If they have already used Ion spike, battousai or Edged blur,you can consider yourself a little bit safer from that combo for about 30 seconds. All they would have left is Battousai and a few physical attacks which I don't believe would have the damage capable of dropping you fast enough give or take.

As an arcane of course you just have be able to seal/stun the seeker given your opening to avoid that same combo but followed by Gemni/Arma Nier.Which in the process if you are stunned you will not be able to use your apoth/skills. The thing about seekers though again is they lack CC and anti stun abilities so keeping them pinned so you can kite is not a huge problem, especially if your a cleric. You can easily make use of Seal of the Gods and Sleep and in the process form your own opening for a combo.

Again to comment on 1v1's, I notice sometimes people forget they can make more than 1 genie for any specific class they wish to target. And I believe for HA's heart of steel can work wonders against a seekers if your timing and openings are taken advantage of. Also if I am correct the genie skill Belief can purify the debuff+immune to debuffs for a few seconds, so that also might help.

@Zanryu and yes as I said, the only thing I think that makes it a problem is the ability to QPQ the defense level debuff and could/should be changed.I Loled at 1 shotting with plants XD. thanks for that laugh :P.

Also if anything I said above is inaccurate please correct meb:thanks.

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

First off, "we" is not 3rd person. It's still 1st. Thanks for trying though. Gold star for effort.

And the entire wiz forums came to a consensus you don't know how to play at all. Wizzies as a class do not need to be buffed. You're just terrible.

Weird you know what faction I'm in.

We don't need to be buffedb:cry?

I've always wanted to try wizard or seeker for a pk event, with the influx of archers and psychics would be fun to change things up a bit.

Also because they are the classes that always kick my butt....

taringa181 wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/f956b765b81c0022

this is the worse seeker scenario, i added 10 def lvl on ring from krag maga sage unfetter and eventual engraves...

this can afktank anyclass anygear

seekers are truly overpowered... a seeker like this autoatks and afk tanks you till you are 60% hp

then

telestun->sac ***, crimson powder, fortify, frenzy -> qpq -> switch r999 belt weapon and jones blessing.>instachannelling ion spike debuff and gemini slash

gg i wanna reroll seeker

wizards need at least a channelling cut to match up with the other classes

dph sins just 2spark subsea mire rift toxic torrent from stealth to take down groups

I was going to say something...but

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

No. We've already established that you just suck at wiz

he said it instead.

Hooray for being a cleric, I purify this sorta stuff off... well no actually I don't because with qpq I'd be sealed.

One thing I'd like to train myself to do is to learn intuitively the animations and steps a seeker takes when prepping to qpq. If you can accurately predict when its coming, will surge before he qpqs. Then go for the stun/sleep/seal of your OWN... and if you do it right, the seeker is stuck with all the deadly dangerous debuffs he was about to give to you, lol! Pew Pew.

If you will surge but he gets the qpq off anyways, go into avoidance mode. As a cleric, that would mean purify and plume shell. As an archer, leaps. As a sin, probably triple sparking. As a wizard, leap. As a psychic, that immune to physical dmg skill. As a bm, leap. As another seeker... qpq those deadly debuffs back to the seeker who gave em to you!. As a veno, 79 skill to become immune to dmg. As a mystic.... either 79 shell, or ... yeah I'd use salvation pet in a fight against seeker, put some shields onto yourself.

Counters!

Predictability!

Yes seekers are dangerous when you aren't keeping an eye on them but geez, so is any class. If you don't watch that bm he'll hf you. Don't watch that wizard he'll genie spark > fire skills. Don't watch that psy will tear you apart with raw dmg... don't watch that mystic and he'll fire off some absorb souls... sin will triple spark dps you if you aren't watching... veno will purge, amp, suck your chi, then debuff your magic, physical defenses plus give you HF debuff... barb will arma you if you don't keep an eye on him... oh yes the cleric will do the healing debuffs which are actually incredibly dangerous.

See what I mean?

In the case of seekers their combo is always the same, so if you are fighting against just the seeker, you know exactly what he's gonna do, it doesn't matter how dangerous it is, if you know whats coming, you can always block it somehow. If you don't bother to take the time to devise strategies or prepare your genie to combat this one tactic, then you deserve to fall to it.

Also, very important: quid pro quo has a ONE MINUTE cooldown, NOT 30s. Sacrificial slash can be used every 30 seconds, but without qpq it, its actually quite dangerous for seeker to use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzXvF54o_i8

full r9 +12 JOSD Seeker vs bezmor, WHO didn't even had full r9 gears that time :P
Seeker has great def lvls esp with JOSD, and they got zerk crit too, but they can't do much vs a psy if psy use def charms and appropriate skills.
I one shotted full r9 seeker with only stonesmasher lvl 100 psy skill, which was crit.... and so many other full r9 seekers, and got many times one shot by them too when they zerk crit and i'm in blackvoodoo..
Seeker is an OP class, but can't really do much vs a sage psy with 50k+ SF, with over 13 sec stun skill ROFL. b:thanks