Nation Wars: New Time Slots?
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »About Perfect World Entertainment Inc.
Perfect World Entertainment Inc., a subsidiary of Perfect World Co., Ltd. (NASDAQ: PWRD), primarily publishes online games and provides online services in North America. Aiming to provide the best game services to North American players with the highest level of commitment in localization, quality assurance, and user-friendly publishing infrastructure, Perfect World Entertainment has achieved great success and published a number of MMORPGs, including "Perfect World International", "Ether Saga Odyssey", "Jade Dynasty", "Battle of the Immortals", "Forsaken World" and "War of the Immortals"; and a single-player action-RPG "Torchlight". Perfect World Entertainment also licenses and operates popular games, including an action-based MORPG "Rusty Hearts".
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I should be International or can rename it in PW-NA.
For what pwI have create 2 server in Europe? Time should be fair for european also coz Euro smell like dollar sometime more or should be nice give a chance for who join before EU server to switch NA server with EU so everyone ca be happy with fair time zone.0 -
RexNero - Dreamweaver wrote: »I should be International or can rename it in PW-NA.
For what pwI have create 2 server in Europe? Time should be fair for european also coz Euro smell like dollar sometime more or should be nice give a chance for who join before EU server to switch NA server with EU so everyone ca be happy with fair time zone.
there is more then one nation in NA so it fullfills the international part of the name which has been stated many times not only in this dam thread but in hundreds of others just be glad you can play here and find some other work around like the rest of us and **** or go to the EU servers and be happy with the dam times either way **** about the international **** so sick of hearing thisCollector of pet eggs, armor, weapons, fashion, and mountsb:chuckle0 -
I sell in 5 different countries, yet my company isn't international, nor is my activity qualified as such by the national authorities.
About 30% of my materials come from foreign countries and about 65% of my sales go abroad, yet I've never imported or exported anything.
Plz anwyd or BeLLa, tell me how this is possible b:thanks
I'm seriously interested in your answer, as convincing the fiscal instances would greatly reduce my VAT issues b:surrender
But yeah, the whole "international" debate is completely off-topic to the subject of the thread or the event times topic in general. There is a general complaint by a significant proportion of the playerbase how events are handled. The non-north american players are a reality and a significant number. Even if you argue about the ToS or official statements in the past, that doesn't take away the fact they have to take a decision for the future. Basing that decision on word play or past statement would be dumb. They just have to decide wether or not they want to make an effort to reduce the number of players who can't attend to events, and if yes, in what way.
If they choose to do nothing, fine but at least they should announce it clearly rather then having a bunch of unqualified players defend their lack of action on invented motives.0 -
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »@Accalica
There's still EU people in 2012 that QQ about tigers event time.
Well it's maybe cause for me it's a game and I don't care if someone make 450m in a night will I make 0, I play it to have fun, not to be more rich than other. even if NW wasn't giving reward and was costing money to enter I would go cause I like it for the fun, not for the reward. Same for tournament and TW.
Some people don't like that event cause they cannot farm Nirvana and Caster to make money, in my cast I don't care about the money I'll just miss do caster cause that was fun.
Yes NW is a easy way to make money, but not the only one. Cause anyway the price of cannies/rapts go down so fast than soon than soon a token of luck will worth more money than a canny.
Yesterday I had more fun in NW on HT on my cleric level 73 than on HL on my mystic level 102 3rd recast, so people don't absolutely need to be 100+ endgame gear to have fun in that event.
I believe you answered to all your questions in this post, because your saying that you play game for fun right? Well we EU players also play for fun but what in this game or in other MMORPG game is more fun than events. You make us think that we should get out from leveling, questing, solo FC for coins etc. Why you even keep arguing about this, i just can`t find out. Do you hate EU players or what? You know we deserve better times and i believe if you were in our situation you would do the same.0 -
b:surrender am for another time slot for NW and for Saturday as well. Currently we got only Friday and Sunday. i suggest that there's 2 NW per day in different time slots and 12 hrs apart. Cuz we need to consider other people living in different timezones not just US residents only.0
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OverSlept - Harshlands wrote: »I believe you answered to all your questions in this post, because your saying that you play game for fun right? Well we EU players also play for fun but what in this game or in other MMORPG game is more fun than events. You make us think that we should get out from leveling, questing, solo FC for coins etc. Why you even keep arguing about this, i just can`t find out. Do you hate EU players or what? You know we deserve better times and i believe if you were in our situation you would do the same.
I have nothing against EU players, I have great friends from there.
What I don't understand is a EU player coming play a game base in NA for NA players, than QQ about US time of the events.
@Empu: Maybe in EU ''International'' doesn't have the same definition than in America. International mean more than one Nation and EU think International mean global, but it's not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_business 2 OR more is considered International, so no idea why you say your company is not International if you deal with 5 countries.
PWE make games from and for NA (North America), there's around 23 countries in North America, so yes if they want they can call it Perfect world International without include the EU.
A lot of EU love to say Perfect world International is not so International cause they don't make event at EU time, while International could be only 2 countries, example: Canada+USA=International.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »bla bla bla.............
Dont know if you know but they have special prices for eu ppl buying zen, so they are including eu players playing the game ...........
So EU players can have their complaints and its not up to you to answer the questions.
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »@Empu: Maybe in EU ''International'' doesn't have the same definition than in America. International mean more than one Nation and EU think International mean global, but it's not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_business 2 OR more is considered International, so no idea why you say your company is not International if you deal with 5 countries.
PWE make games from and for NA (North America), there's around 23 countries in North America, so yes if they want they can call it Perfect world International without include the EU.
A lot of EU love to say Perfect world International is not so International cause they don't make event at EU time, while International could be only 2 countries, example: Canada+USA=International.
I shouldn't even answer this, but seems I got nothing better to do and it was in the 1st sentence of your link anyway :International business is a term used to collectively describe all commercial transactions (private and governmental, sales, investments, logistics,and transportation) that take place between two or more regions, countries and nations beyond their political boundary.
It's all there.
I do not confound international and global, I just have a modern view of the world. "International" isn't as static as you make it seem. After all, does several states in the USA make a business international ? In this post you seem to say "yes". While in a previous post you indirectly qualify EU servers as "national". Political boundaries evolve. Todays world has more then the old tripple dimension of "local, national, international". It's actually not all that modern, as you could read in BRAUDEL's dynamics of capitalism in the chapter of "world economy" (not sure about translations here).
So, Canada+USA=International ? I'd say no, it's both NAFTA which I consider, with the reserves necessary due to not being on that market, as developped enough to consider as a political hole.
But besides being intellectually entertaining (during my studies my research was orientated to this theme but EU related, so yeah I like this topic b:pleased ), I wouldn't say it's of any influence or coherence to the topic. Since we're in more concrete real life business situations, I'll take an personal example to show how irrelevant the whole "international debate" really is. I work with cheese and, like I said, with several countries of the EU. I sometimes get asked if I could also deliver something like wine or sausages. I do not reply to that looking at my statutes or replies on previous requests. I'm not going to refuse cause it sais "cheese" on my busines card or because I refused something before. I look at the effort and cost in order to compare it with the gain (not just financial). Heck, I've even done financial and legal analysis/advice simply because I can and it improoved a relation. Statutes, strategies and names can be changed. There is absolutely no reason to hang on to it as if it's something sacred and unchangeable.0 -
@Empu
A political boundary is the imaginary lines we draw on maps to showcase where one country's government begins and another one's ends. It's also the imaginary lines we use to separate two places with different jurisdictions. The definition Bella linked would not include States because those were within the same nation-state. Developing an international treaty does not erase a political boundary because it doesn't erase jurisdiction. There are some countries that interconnected as a matter of course by laws, for example the United States and Puerto Rico. Or more contentiously, China and Taiwan. Any relation between them would not be considered international, because they fall within their political boundary. Any commerce interaction between the United States and Canada would be a case of international trade, for example. Because Canadian law no more applies to the US as vice versa. You can see the significance of this with issues like health care. Your example of NAFTA is actually an international trade treaty, and it's not the only ones in existence. The USA is also in FTA with Australia, Bahrain, Chile, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Israel, Jordan, Morocco, Oman, Peru and Singapore. But I doubt anyone claim trade between those countries are not international. Likewise under your definition international would not include many parts of Europe and the USA because of their close relations under NATO, and OECD.
What you're speaking about is globalization, and there is a reason it uses the world global. And while it true the whole significance of things like nation-states is decreasing and boundaries are beginning to blur, that doesn't mean that the word international has suddenly come to mean something different. It is still anything that involves two or more independent nation-states. This is the last I'll say about this because I do not wish to derail the thread.
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I agree that there needs to be increased access to NW, some of the bells and whistles like certain events may not be necessary. But important things like the new farming instance should be open to all their customer base, or at least as much of the player base as they can without ruining the economy.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »@Topic
I agree that there needs to be increased access to NW, some of the bells and whistles like certain events may not be necessary. But important things like the new farming instance should be open to all their customer base, or at least as much of the player base as they can without ruining the economy.
This.
Europeans (and not only) complaining about events such as TW, Celestial Tiger, CoA etc. are a bit silly since they should be aware they joined an MMO that is for North America but NW is a new farming instance. It was designed that way and judging on the information leaks from PWCN there will be more things added to NW for people to farm.
And I've already mentioned that the dominating suggestion is Sunday noon which remains an USA time while being EU friendly. Is it a crime to ask for this little change? I don't get all the vibes of hate and opposition this proposal is receiving b:surrender
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@Venus : I agree with the essence of what you write, but as you also show, it's not as obvious anymore as 2 centuries ago. As you show and as I also said, there is actually a part of subjectivity and the importance of threaties. However, I don't agree how you put it on globalization, as it also goes against your examples and as globalization directly affects issues like "independance" and "political boundaries" like you even showed at the end of your demonstration. I didn't really give a definition of "international", but simply showed how subjective and complicated the term really is. I think this is actually a subject that could occupy an army of political, law and economy specialists all over the world for several years without coming with fixed answers and definitions. You already gave an idea of the complexity with all the different themed treaties that exist. I don't see why, or even how, you would want to dissociate terms like "international", "globalization" and "nation-state independance". Things aren't that simple and fixed segmented definitions are rare. We're not discussing mathematics. So even if I agree on the essence, I don't agree on your conclusion.
As for the US states, I simply put that in my post as Bella seemed to put that as an international factor, while putting the EU states as a whole in a post before. I found that rather contradictory.0 -
I'll just post one picture here, that you can find on top of the perfectworld.com page:
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magnified:
http://i50.tinypic.com/20z9rgw.jpg
That icon was there way before Perfect World Europe was established.
And yes, we have Perfect World Europe B.V., that's publishing games in EU, and we also have 2 EU servers, but, PWE do not provide server-transfer option for PWI.
"International" in "Perfect World International" just means that game isn't made for China/Asia.
Stop arguing about what's International, that really isn't important when you talk about PWI.0 -
Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »reduced for ease of quoting
We're finding new terms for things to describe this phenomenon, but if we can't use any terminology just because politics itself is fluid then the whole discussion becomes meaningless because there is no way to accurately describe things. That is why international=involving two or more nation-states has not changed. There are also fixed definitions for nations, states, and countries. Those are all different things. The definition of international has not changed, it's impact on the world and it is significance as a term to describe inter-state relationships has but the definition as purely descriptive term has not. They are two very different things. One provides a framework of reference for others to understand you, the other opens up a lot of debate. Regardless, a company that brands itself international writes in a mission statement about it's work with North American is clearly using a very fixed definition of the term. It is totally absurd argument that it has to cater to the Europe just because it is international, irregardless if it's timezone for events are convenient for most of the 35 countries that make up both North and South America. Since they operate under many of the same time zones. And I think everyone who argues for this change (and I agree with it) should stop throwing it out there. It just seems like a very euro-centric viewpoint on the world and does nothing to further the cause. Especially when there are so many GOOD arguments for more increased access for Europeans players, starting with the fact that a game should provide basic services for all it's paying customers regardless of timezones. They take EU money, they should allow you guys to participate in all the major farming.
EU states are very different than American ones, while they are subject to some of the same laws and since some jurisdiction now overlaps there it maybe a mistake to consider them purely international. They are nothing like a US state, they maintain their own military for example. So the EU does not have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. Which is one of the requirements for being your own nation-state. So even if someone went by that definition and considered the EU international (which is open to debate and not totally wrong) they would still be wrong if the applied that same definition to the US states. It is like comparing apples to oranges. Okay last thing for real this time. If you want to discuss it further, take it to pms. b:surrenderDesdi - Sanctuary wrote: »This.
Europeans (and not only) complaining about events such as TW, Celestial Tiger, CoA etc. are a bit silly since they should be aware they joined an MMO that is for North America but NW is a new farming instance. It was designed that way and judging on the information leaks from PWCN there will be more things added to NW for people to farm.
And I've already mentioned that the dominating suggestion is Sunday noon which remains an USA time while being EU friendly. Is it a crime to ask for this little change? I don't get all the vibes of hate and opposition this proposal is receiving b:surrender
I think people object to 12pm because a lot of people are at work. 12pm really isn't a satisfactory time for NA. 9-5 is the typical work hours. A lot of people work through the weekends, a LOT of people. So taking it away from them to give to the Europeans, when the Europeans already have their own server, seems unfair to them. They aren't wrong. Neither are the Europeans. That's what makes the whole thing difficult.0 -
Sorry to say this, but Venus or another mod needs to close this thread, as it has derailed in a very unfortunate and regrettable way, to the point where it's offensive to the human race to read the dejection of half brained people.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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DeffyNature - Archosaur wrote: »Sorry to say this, but Venus or another mod needs to close this thread, as it has derailed in a very unfortunate and regrettable way, to the point where it's offensive to the human race to read the dejection of half brained people.
A thread being offensive to you does NOT mean offensive to the human race. Stop being selfish and ignorant. PWI is made for USA and if your not in the USA then that's your problem. So get over it and move on, there's 2 PW's in Europe as far as I know, and the central and original one is PWCN made for other places in the world, ours was made clear to be for North America, so it is not offensive in any way to anyone.0 -
Play nice guys, since this is thread with GM response, I'd hate to have to close this.0
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inter = between
national = nation
if you have 2 or more nations taking part in an activity, that activity is international.
if that doesnt comply with your personal definition of what international means or should mean, the error is between your ears.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »A thread being offensive to you does NOT mean offensive to the human race. Stop being selfish and ignorant. PWI is made for USA and if your not in the USA then that's your problem. So get over it and move on, there's 2 PW's in Europe as far as I know, and the central and original one is PWCN made for other places in the world, ours was made clear to be for North America, so it is not offensive in any way to anyone.
No.
PWI is not made just of North America. You can use same client for Europe servers.
"Perfect World Entertainment Inc." is publisher for North America.
Please note that there is a difference between PWI = game and PWE = publisher.
And I'll repeat once more, International in PWI means just that it's not made for Asia/China.0 -
If times are made any earlier...Even 20 minutes earlier I will still be at work. Any change in time will effect other people so now the EU people are the ones who are being greedy saying who cares about those it will effect as long as I dont have to get up/stay up to do it. I would much rather go to bed when I get home from work but instead I stay up 2 more hours to do NW. Get over it0
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The only problem I see with this is that we'll have MORE people with MORE alt's in the event and reduce the event rewards even more.0
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FaIIyn - Lost City wrote: »Any change in time will effect other people so now the EU people are the ones who are being greedy saying who cares about those it will effect as long as I don't have to get up/stay up to do it.
I know a change in time will affect people who participate NW on Sunday but it will give the opportunity for a bunch of other people to participate. It's not about "not wanting to get up early" it's about a lot of people not being able to participate at all.
With that in mind, the US people would be the selfish ones since they already have Friday's NW but I also understand how they'd feel if one of the time slots would be taken away from them to be given to others. I think PWE is working on adding a 3rd time slot though.
I wouldn't mind that if it happened to me though, but that's just me I guess. I'm not being greedy, I just want things to be a little fair up to whatever degree it's possible.
I don't want to participate to NW to make coins; The few NWs I was able to do I used the tokens to make cannies for myself, warsoul mats for my belt etc. and soon there will more items added (items for pet upgrades for example).
I consider blocking off people from farming things because of the place the live in is screwed up. Events and whatnot are and should be the privilege of the people who live in the area the server was made for but what about a farming event-instance? If PWI was like that I would have just quit within a few days but for 4 years farming an instance was open for anyone from any continent & country. This is why I find this sudden shift quite unfair. That's all.So taking it away from them to give to the Europeans, when the Europeans already have their own server, seems unfair to them. They aren't wrong. Neither are the Europeans. That's what makes the whole thing difficult.
I don't doubt it but it's just as unfair to tell Europeans to go switch to an EU server "because there you have EU servers now stop QQing!" when server transfer is not available. Mind you, the only QQ I ever supported and support is about NW time change. The rest of events are just being greedy.
EDIT: Or rather, I wouldn't call it unfair. I'd call it being rude.
This whole thing feels like circle US players call EU players greedy, EU players call US players greedy and both keep telling each other to GTFO x.x
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FaIIyn - Lost City wrote: »If times are made any earlier...Even 20 minutes earlier I will still be at work. Any change in time will effect other people so now the EU people are the ones who are being greedy saying who cares about those it will effect as long as I dont have to get up/stay up to do it. I would much rather go to bed when I get home from work but instead I stay up 2 more hours to do NW. Get over it
So the EU people are greedy cuz they would like to have a chance at participating in NW once a week?
You know its easy to tell others to get over it.
You are lucky that you can participate.
I would really like to know how happy you would be to wake up at 5am and go to college after that.Or lets assume u have a job...maybe.
Or could you stay up till 3am /wake up at 5am for the event?
So what if you couldnt participate on one of the days NW is held?
Get Over It.
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Lucy_a - Sanctuary wrote: »So the EU people are greedy cuz they would like to have a chance at participating in NW once a week?
You know its easy to tell others to get over it.
You are lucky that you can participate.
I would really like to know how happy you would be to wake up at 5am and go to college after that.Or lets assume u have a job...maybe.
Or could you stay up till 3am /wake up at 5am for the event?
So what if you couldnt participate on one of the days NW is held?
Get Over It.
They chose to play on our NA timezone servers. For a company that's based on NA time. They can't complain.
As Lelouch said in Code Geass:
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »They chose to play on our NA timezone servers. For a company that's based on NA time. They can't complain.
As Lelouch said in Code Geass:
"You made your your choice, let no one forget!'
They Chosed that timezone cuz they (and me) had no choise.
Now stop being so selfish and think about the auropeans/latin friends you have in-game
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »They chose to play on our NA timezone servers. For a company that's based on NA time. They can't complain.
They can.When most of these players started playing there was no EU server.Same here.
I started on Sanctuary when there were no EU servers.
I have spent around 300$ on zen to get myself a herc and other stuff.
And i would love to change servers but noone will refund the money i spent on Sanctuary.
If Pwi implements an event that is so game-changing ,then they should make sure that this event is "open" for everyone.
NW has become a "farming-instance".
Some people here are just so greedy,that they rather log in their alts 2 times a week,in hopes of getting as many tokens as possible , then giving a chance to others to participate once a week in NW.
"So what if you cant farm? Suck it up."
"We dont need more people and more alts."
(Who the heck told you people to log 23443212432 of your alts? You complaining that NW is full of alts,and that people cant get into fights.And thats why you dont need more people.
Well try this: Dont be so damn greedy and use only 1 char for NW. Yeah..its a crazy idea..but it might work.)
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »They chose to play on our NA timezone servers. For a company that's based on NA time. They can't complain.
Except that four years ago when EU players joined this game didn't know the company will limit a farming instance (a major one at that) to time zones. There were no EU servers then and we were not given an option to server-transfer when EU servers were released.
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Give EU players a transfer to 1 of the EU servers, then all US or w/e people can rot here and enjoy their timezone, telling to start all over from 0? GTFO[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »They chose to play on our NA timezone servers. For a company that's based on NA time. They can't complain.
So if you work dayshift and supermarkets decide to close at 2pm now, you can't complain? Oh cmon, stop being ridiculous.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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