Epic/fail/weird squadplays collection!

truekossy · October 2012

He's the same guy who said venos shouldn't level noxious because it's useless and defended being called out on it with a calc of his veno... which happened to actually be in gear that was completely stupid.

I'd bet you everything he's said in here is made up junk from a noob that's completely clueless.

mm2000 · October 2012

You're an idiot truekossy, and no wonder why people look at venoes just "runners" for RB delta / gamma, etc. And just forgotten about in AOE in instances where the fun actually starts. Try using noxious gas while tanking 50+ mobs or mobs with a boss or two at a time with just noxious gas that takes 3.3 seconds to cast it with a 6 second cool down just to cast a spell on them and see if you won't get interrupted. Unless you prove me wrong, you're the real clueless moron here.

Mor_Toran - Sanctuary wrote: »

It is, which is why squads that fail silmply because idiots don't know how to play their class, how to play in a squad, or anything about game mechanics is so funny....

This is PWI, this game is catered to mentally challenged folks. BH69 (Or should I say FB69) was done plenty of times without deaths and well with squads of people that are level 70 with TT70 (or 6x legendary) +0 equipment. It is all in the matter of a simple tactic that I won't even share since BH69 is so "hard" for people that are level 80 or above. +8 gear is meant for constant AOEing in dungeons effectively, not doing the same thing as a +0 or +3 would do.

truekossy wrote: »

Wow that guy is clueless. I lol'd at it saying I have no life when I was out because I... have a life that isn't PWI.

Do you go to clubs? Do you go to restaurants? Do you travel? Do you talk to others (I do not even mean only by phone/online either)? If not, then you should know your place.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And just have to address this because this is the most fail thing I've read in a long time. Here's a secret, VIT doesn't change the cooldowns on purify or IH. A vit cleric can heal the same number of people as a pure cleric can without any issue whatsoever. The effectiveness of the heals may be lower but it doesn't change their ability to do so. This proves you know absolutely nothing about the game..

That's exactly what I mean you fool. VIT clerics can heal effectively for less people, I mean heal more people effectively, because VIT clerics have to use IH more than a pure magic cleric would. Pure magic have an easier time doing it, and having more of a balanced overall defense matters more than just a mere 10HP per VIT.

I'm done.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · October 2012

mm2000 wrote: »

That's exactly what I mean you fool. VIT clerics can heal effectively for less people, I mean heal more people effectively, because VIT clerics have to use IH more than a pure magic cleric would. Pure magic have an easier time doing it, and having more of a balanced overall defense matters more than just a mere 10HP per VIT.

I'm done.

Care to put why you put the skill purify in there as something a VIT Cleric can't do as good a pure cleric. It's not affected by magic damage. A cleric with only enough mana to cast the skill when it comes off cooldown would still do it as effectively one who had a million points of mana. You also said that they can't heal 2-3 people but they in fact can, and they can easily keep them alive and keep their charms from ticking. And HP is a more balanced defense than Mag because it absorbs both kinds of damage not just magic damage. Heals can be increased through refining weapons and using magic attack ornaments. Anyone who argues that one build is worse than the other instead of just being a matter of gear and personal preference is being misleading.

See this pure cleric? http://pwcalc.com/4a67368ba7027b20 Chan=21 They have more defense than the vit cleric because that is what they built themselves around.

See this vit cleric? http://pwcalc.com/65d1a64d2d805cc2 chan=36 They have more attack and channeling than the pure cleric because that is what they built themselves around.

These are two clerics that built themselves totally around two different things. One was trying to to maximize chan and magic attack despite being a vit build. One was trying to maximize defense, despite being a pure build. While I wouldn't personally recommend the vit cleric's gear chocies, it proves that in the end what you choose to start with matters little. It's all about gear. And there were actual player calcs I found once.

truekossy · October 2012

@moron2000
Wow...

Excuse me a moment I found an idiot not worth trying to reason with.

mm2000 · October 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Care to put why you put the skill purify in there as something a VIT Cleric can't do as good a pure cleric. It's not affected by magic damage. You also said that they can't heal 2-3 people but they in fact can, and they can easily keep them alive and keep their charms from ticking. And HP is a more balanced defense than Mag because it absorbs both kinds of damage not just magic damage. Heals can be increased through refining weapons and using magic attack ornaments. Anyone who argues that one build is worse than the other instead of just being a matter of gear and personal preference is being misleading.

If you care to know why, then I'll say that keeping the squad and yourself alive is the most important thing for every class (yourself). You can use IH less often, and that would give you time to purify faster. I forgot to mention that they can't heal / purify as much as a pure cleric can because of that reason and this is without CHB or BB. Also refined weapon on pure magic gets more magic attack than VIT which means they get more damage and have more time to DD without **** the squad up when they set IH buff on.

I'm done with you guys now.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · October 2012

mm2000 wrote: »

If you care to know why, then I'll say that keeping the squad and yourself alive is the most important thing for every class (yourself). You can use IH less often, and that would give you time to purify faster. I forgot to mention that they can't heal / purify as much as a pure cleric can because of that reason and this is without CHB or BB. Also refined weapon on pure magic gets more magic attack than VIT which means they get more damage and have more time to DD without **** the squad up when they set IH buff on.

I'm done with you guys now.

Bzzt wrong again. You should be casting purify when you see it channeling, not when the debuff icon is up. And neither cleric should be casting IH when the debuff icon is up, they should be purifying it and then healing. There is no difference at all between a vit cleric purifying and pure cleric purifying. It all comes down to the cleric's ping, reaction time, and skill.

truekossy · October 2012

You already said you're done, nonfactor guy2000. If you had a life you'd have left there and then instead of coming back. b:bye

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · October 2012

truekossy wrote: »

You already said you're done. If you had a life you'd have left there and then instead of coming back. b:bye

Pfft I'm happy to clear up common misconceptions about vit clerics. A lot of people blame being a bad cleric on vit. But bad clerics are simply more likely to need vit because they are constantly **** up and need the HP. It's not because vit in and of itself is some terrible thing that automatically wrecks a cleric's ability to heal.

truekossy · October 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Pfft I'm happy to clear up common misconceptions about vit clerics.

I love how easily you're disproving the junk he comes up with.

Yet he claims to be so skilled and the like. I:d do the same for his nonsense about veno, but laughing at him is much more fun.

mm2000 · October 2012

truekossy wrote: »

You already said you're done, nonfactor guy2000. If you had a life you'd have left there and then instead of coming back. b:bye

Yeah, you're right, I'm done, continue your "QQing" on fail squads, sorry to burst your QQbubble. Not my fault you have been in fail squads and been a victim of it. Maybe you should try stop using noxious gas on your veno and see if the squad doesn't wipe by then. I got a club to go to in two hours truenonfactor. I will just play the game an hour more then go back out instead of spending another hour bashing on you failures, keep failing then. It is not my fault you fail so hard and joining fail squads and being caught up in squad wipes, that is your fault, not mine. Blame yourself for the bad experience that happens to you regularly.

truekossy · October 2012

And it still keeps raving about a life it's imagining after saying it was done.

Difference between us: I don't need to brag about my life and, like a few hours ago, will go live it without announcing to everyone when I have stuff to do. You, on the other hand, can't even leave a topic you claimed to be done with multiple times. Maybe if you got a real life you wouldn't care so much about how horrible you are at an online game or the fact that those of us who aren't idiots can freely call you out on it.

Colum - Raging Tide · October 2012

No-one here is QQing, we are having a good entertainment of squads who just don't simply work.

BH 69 is a dungeon which shows your player skills and we all should know that. It's how the team works. If it doesn't, squad is dead.

As a player of each and every class here are some statements I have made out of 69 BH.

1. Equally geared lvl 70 barb with 7,6k HP and 81 barb with 8,5k HP. Lvl 70 barb tanks better. He uses alacrity to cancel debuff so if cleric mistimes purify, squad won't wipe
2. A barb with 13k HP goes and lures a boss. He leaves lagging around and comes with half HP back, debuff on. One or two hits from pole and he is dead meat, no matter the gear. Defenses are 0. Cleric purifies, barb runs in panic. Cleric gets aggro because no-one has actually attacked the boss - squad wipe.
VS.
Barb with 6-7k HP or a seeker with 5-6k HP or less goes to lure pole like it should. He comes back, cleric IHs, tank runs to grab aggro and either 1. turns debuff back to boss or 2. cancels it or 3. cleric is ready to see the boss cast and purifies before the squishie is squishied.

Do I need to put more examples to show up WHY people die in 69? Because tank-cleric lack the skills to manage their class. Not because of gear. People powerlevel, and they do not know their class.

What comes to aggro management and stealing...

lvl 8x barb might have no chances against a sin with 80 wrists, TM robe, H&T, 60 rank robe. They get the aggro, no matter how much barb flesh realms. They should use worse daggers, a bow or chill of the deep.

Other option would be to make the sin tank INCASE cleric can handle it.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Mor_Toran - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is one, frankie put a link to it recently.. give me a min and I'll go find it.

Edit: Found it....
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist

Doesn't work for me. Seems to have been broken for ages, only allowing certain names.

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear · October 2012

mm2000 wrote: »

If you care to know why, then I'll say that keeping the squad and yourself alive is the most important thing for every class (yourself). You can use IH less often, and that would give you time to purify faster. I forgot to mention that they can't heal / purify as much as a pure cleric can because of that reason and this is without CHB or BB. Also refined weapon on pure magic gets more magic attack than VIT which means they get more damage and have more time to DD without **** the squad up when they set IH buff on.

I'm done with you guys now.

I have a vit build cleric and i do just fine with him. purify is solely based on how much chi you have and when to time it in a 69 run. keeping the tank healed is the first priority, as for the DDs of the squad they should fend for themselves less they assist or help the cleric get out of a jam which the cleric will generously offer to heal em. Plus IH isn't kept on constantly like a buff, it stacks and lasts only a short while till the time runs out and then you have to re stack it. Also a vit cleric can survive boss aoes alot better than a pure mag can. a vit built cleric loses bout a third of their hp from an aoe, a pure mag loses bout half of their hp from the aoe. If you want to talk bout a cleric DDing, keeping the squad healed comes first and if there is an opening for it then they can take a 1-3 shots but they have to quickly lock back onto the tank and start IH stacking again. Being a cleric and doing a cleric takes skill and focus more times than a DD does in using his or her skills. a sin you practically dont need skill since you can just autoatk mobs and bosses mostly, but it takes someone with real skill to control their own agro stead of having agro ping pong with the one who is tanking. if you want to play agro ping pong then try tanking the boss yourself and see how far you really get.

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721 · October 2012

Kitty was today healing BH/FB/Culti 59 with her 65 cleric. The squad consisted of lvl 70 barb, 2 well-geared 79 and 71 sins, 73 archer, 59 mystic and Kitty. Those casters were both undergeared and Kitty had only 35 mana pots left, when starting BH. Ofc we did that unwined, wines cost like hell.
Our speed didn't lose much to wined squad that collected tokens too(we didn't waste effort on those). As 79 sin made massive dmg, bosses were much aggro pingpong between sin and barb, Kitty confused of who tanking when and healed one taking dmg atm(almost got sin killed once or twice for slow reacting). As Kitty was almost out of pots, Kitty didn't use BB but IH'd to save mana. Managed to keep all alive on bosses(and excluding both casters, on mobs too).
Weaker sin failed cornering some times and squad got a group of mobs against it. That resulted in Kitty's cleric dying 4 times and mystic dying 2 times. Others survived those situations as Kitty used IH's to keep everyone alive and if someone had close call, mystic emergency healed so that IH had time to take effect.

Not bad run. And that was Kitty's first unwined 59. Hope next time goes as well.

Colum - Raging Tide · November 2012

* Facedesk *

I was in BH 39 with my lvl 59 BM as a tank. We had also 5x seeker, sin, veno, mystic and cleric.

Others did their job semi well but the cleric.. eh..

She didn't buff everyone. We contacted her several times with issues in squad chat and whisper. She read and reacted to some messages somehow but seemed to ignore/react slowly or decide her way to do things is better. Anyways, then she started spamming buffs randomly - during boss fights too.

At EXPLODING mobs she DDed instead of heal and killed my BM when I was pulling 3 mobs and the cleric did not heal. When she healed, she always used CHB or SOR - never IH. Not to mention she didnt even stack SOR + IH or something.
Also she randomly purified us but when we'd have really needed it - at poison mobs/mana drainers/calcid - no purify. At bosses she also DDed a LOT and at calcid DD died due to mob explosion and cleric did not res the dead one. I said I can handle tanking without heals for while, res the sin, nothing happens. Sin leaves.

At herc same happened to veno - she accidentally pulled agro and died, no res.

The funny thing was that at farren when he was mispulled and cleaned half of squad off, cleric spammed res on seeker who went for a little brb at that time. She kept spamming and spamming the res. Errrr...

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · November 2012

3 Psys (lvl 98 I believe) me on my Mystic (also lvl 98) and a cleric (lvl 93 I think).
Forming an FC squad. So we try abit to find a puller, barb joins.

Waaay to predictible he claims we don't have enough APS and leaves again.

So we shrugged, and went ahead with the FC anyway. The cleric had like 7.5k HP with barb bufs and pulled the halls (some high refined ornaments and stuf from main), one of the mystics tanked the bosses, and we were done in roughly the same speed as a 6 man squad with 3 sins (no deaths). It was fun b:laugh

Euthymius - Heavens Tear · November 2012

Last night in Warsong

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Pavillion defence goes without a hitch.
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No problems in Metal, and we move onto Earth while a Sin clears fire. We do the pulls with little trouble and make it to Shadowskull Lich...who proceeded to 1-hit everyone because one of the wraiths had reset during the pulls and left the kill-counter uncompleted.
We go back and fix the above before engaging him again. The fight goes smoothly aside from me taking a lot of damage from being a bit close to his clones while AoEing, till he made his last appearance (and Frenzied I think) and kills a few of us. He still dies from whoever was left alive and we kill Vile Shadowskull without any difficulty

We start Fire. I got roasted once since the puller never indicated exactly how many groups they were doing till the final push to the boss. Somewhere around this time, our BM had to afk suddenly, and we had found a new one who was on the way.

In any case, we start Cannonfist...the two sins and the archer pokes him a few times, everyone sparks, BM HFs I land three crits and die instantly. (I should have waited a bit longer before attacking. Fair enough...). We then face Vile Cannonfist, who immediately aggro'd onto the cleric and 1-hit her before going on to kill everypony else. Lovely. We come back and defeat it on the second attempt.

Then there was Wood/Water...multiple deaths due to Occult Ice and me being unable to remember that there was a White Voodoo for whatever reason. I think I even walked into one of those wraiths who's attention I had gained and got Melee'd for a 1-hit KO as well <_>

The rest goes on without anything notable occurring, but looking back at that, I really made a lot of mistakes to have died as many times as I did...

akosireann · November 2012

Nearly all of the best runs I had on my veno, bm, myst and my retired barb NEVER included a sin.

Lucrecia - Momaganon · November 2012

A few days ago i was on fcc trip with an pro archer, a cleric, 2 sins (one and myself) and 2 Psys. The other sin was the tank, everything went well, bosses died in a few seconds.
So we decided to go on a full run, with the floraboss, phoenix and holeen too what is pretty uncommon on my server below 100. Thats why only me and the archer knew the bosses.

At the flora boss:
4 people are in pk mode, me and the cleric are not. They decided to duel each other because cleric was afk. Got swords, couldnt be healed anymore.
I went in pk mode for fun as well, used bp and got swords. Cleric returned and is like "WTF???"
Sin attacked anyway instead of relog and so did we. Cleric didnt have to heal and was happy with dding. Sin died and could be rezzed just before the boss went down, i was the second tank.

At Holeen:
Sin:Someone pull one
Others: ...
Sin:Its easier!
Others: *looking in bag for zeals*
Psy: Lets begin without pulling *attacks*
Sin: Come to me on the rock here!

So we went on the rock

Archer(whisp): "Why are we on a rock?"
Me(whisp): "I dunno. Never did it like that before"
Archer(whisp): "Me neither. Maybe its a new glitch"
---Squad stays on that rock for a about 1 minute without attacking, very confused while taking damage

Archer:WTF are we doing *switching on fists and attacks, we joined her*

...

After lil Holeen are dead, true Holeen comes up.
Psys: WTH IS THAT b:shocked ????????

That run was so funny, i didnt even care we wasted about 2,5 hours in there xD

Colum - Raging Tide · November 2012

Go to BH Aba with r9 sin and r9 +12 archer.. mobs drop before I touch them, boss drops... ... fast.

SabanwolfxXx - Archosaur · November 2012

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

* Facedesk *

I was in BH 39 with my lvl 59 BM as a tank. We had also 5x seeker, sin, veno, mystic and cleric.

Others did their job semi well but the cleric.. eh..

She didn't buff everyone. We contacted her several times with issues in squad chat and whisper. She read and reacted to some messages somehow but seemed to ignore/react slowly or decide her way to do things is better. Anyways, then she started spamming buffs randomly - during boss fights too.

At EXPLODING mobs she DDed instead of heal and killed my BM when I was pulling 3 mobs and the cleric did not heal. When she healed, she always used CHB or SOR - never IH. Not to mention she didnt even stack SOR + IH or something.
Also she randomly purified us but when we'd have really needed it - at poison mobs/mana drainers/calcid - no purify. At bosses she also DDed a LOT and at calcid DD died due to mob explosion and cleric did not res the dead one. I said I can handle tanking without heals for while, res the sin, nothing happens. Sin leaves.

At herc same happened to veno - she accidentally pulled agro and died, no res.

The funny thing was that at farren when he was mispulled and cleaned half of squad off, cleric spammed res on seeker who went for a little brb at that time. She kept spamming and spamming the res. Errrr...

yes exactly i cannot stand clerics that dd or rb when they should be using ih or surge heal or bb most of the cleric that i find that do this are level 100+ but some are under that level, if they wanna dd then they just need to leave the squad and go outside and kill some mobs they are plenty of quests for that, a lot of people dont realize that their role needs to be different in a dungeon then it is for solo quests

mrcharlytoo · November 2012

bh59, unwined

Me "someone have zeal to pull Zimo and I'll catch?"

seeker "Yes"

Seeker attacks zimo with ranged seeker attack. all the mobs come tumbling down . . .

I managed to FR the mobs off the cleric, who was spamming IB on the seeker.

Later on, another seeker "Do seekers need STR or Vit?"
lvl 93 and he didn't know. That's plvling for you.

_Shui - Harshlands · November 2012

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

* Facedesk *

I was in BH 39 with my lvl 59 BM as a tank. We had also 5x seeker, sin, veno, mystic and cleric.

Others did their job semi well but the cleric.. eh..

She didn't buff everyone. We contacted her several times with issues in squad chat and whisper. She read and reacted to some messages somehow but seemed to ignore/react slowly or decide her way to do things is better. Anyways, then she started spamming buffs randomly - during boss fights too.

At EXPLODING mobs she DDed instead of heal and killed my BM when I was pulling 3 mobs and the cleric did not heal. When she healed, she always used CHB or SOR - never IH. Not to mention she didnt even stack SOR + IH or something.
Also she randomly purified us but when we'd have really needed it - at poison mobs/mana drainers/calcid - no purify. At bosses she also DDed a LOT and at calcid DD died due to mob explosion and cleric did not res the dead one. I said I can handle tanking without heals for while, res the sin, nothing happens. Sin leaves.

At herc same happened to veno - she accidentally pulled agro and died, no res.

The funny thing was that at farren when he was mispulled and cleaned half of squad off, cleric spammed res on seeker who went for a little brb at that time. She kept spamming and spamming the res. Errrr...

This is why girls shoudnt play Clerics...

Colum - Raging Tide · November 2012

I was in 39 with my archer, 6x archer, 5x cleric, sin, barb and wizard

The barb was a freaking idiot. He didnt know how to keep aggro so we adviced him to go in tiger form and use flesh realm because it takes aggro, and also roar surrouning mobs and fr them too.
No. He said human form is stronger. At first he fully stayed in human form and we archers kept pulling aggro at mobs so basically we tanked them.
Then barb started to believe a bit and went to tiger form to fr, then switched right back in human and started to loose aggro again. We told him to stay in tiggy, he said he is not a tiger form barb.

Err... you can guess how it went at farren. Bigger archer pulled aggro and squad wiped. Cleric ragequit and I brought my barb to solo this instance.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · November 2012

Lucrecia - Momaganon wrote: »

At the flora boss:
4 people are in pk mode, me and the cleric are not. They decided to duel each other because cleric was afk. Got swords, couldnt be healed anymore.
I went in pk mode for fun as well, used bp and got swords. Cleric returned and is like

I'm almost sure that sword or not people can be buff and healed in FC cause it's not a safe zone...

Samaela - Dreamweaver · November 2012

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm almost sure that sword or not people can be buff and healed in FC cause it's not a safe zone...

Not on a PvE server unless the cleric is in PK mode as well I believe.

Labells - Dreamweaver · November 2012

Tigriss_o - Raging Tide wrote: »

Only weird one I had was a bunch of Veno friends and I **** around in TT squad mode way before any of our pets was ready. Started out 3 of us trying to take out drum. Party wiped. From there we kept adding 1 veno at a time to squad till the squad was full trying to see how many we would need to keep an under leveled herc healed long enough to kill drum.

The things you do when the game gets boring I swear.

try this using the chickens from BH59 it's hilarious playing who's chicken has agro

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · November 2012

Samaela - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not on a PvE server unless the cleric is in PK mode as well I believe.

Really? On PvE servers people cannot heal and buff outside safe zone if they have sword? Wow good to know.

truekossy · November 2012

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Really? On PvE servers people cannot heal and buff outside safe zone if they have sword? Wow good to know.

Yeah. The only way to heal/buff someone with swords is to also be in PK mode. I figure it's there to stop blue names from being able to interfere in PK since it'd be kinda stupid if you could go PK and have some blue named cleric or w/e constantly healing you so that the only way for you to actually die is to get 1-shot.

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