r8 recast bow

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

r8 recast is a total waste at this point unless you're a support class (BM/cleric/veno/mystic/barb) looking for a def level wep or you're a BM/sin looking for int chest/boots.

If you're really that cash strapped, just get a g16 Nirvana sling/bow/xbow.

Pretty much this, except get the G16 xbow or bow. Unless you stack tons of interval the perk for sling isn't worth it.

Thunderbow - Momaganon wrote: »

someone on my server has http://pwcalc.com/094abb7bdcf73820 i think this is a good bow or am just i thinking that?

Purge is indeed nice, however it has low end attack levels and tbh, the amount he spent to forge that and probably reroll it for stats he wanted he probably paid more then just getting the r9 bow by itself which is better.

There isnt really any alternative to an R9 bow.

With an R9 bow you get:
1) high attack levels
2) Fast -.1 interval
3) Spirit blackhole

Thats like 3 bows in one. With every other bow out there you have to pick only one of these features (or 2 if you are ridiculously lucky with rolling). R9 also has a long term progression with 2 additional recasts. This is bound to be affordable some day.

You also get max sockets for free.

witniss wrote: »

isnt as much of a factor for sages

What percentage of a sage's damage comes from auto attacks versus skill spam?
I'd like to hear your estimate.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

What percentage of a sage's damage comes from auto attacks versus skill spam?
I'd like to hear your estimate.

Well I'll give mine, though I can't say he plays like anyone else I know. I'd say 60% auto attack and 40% skill. Though mostly the auto attack is more or less poking for a purge unless it's AA and some LA.

In a sense though he has a point the -.1 interval doesn't do much to us. Considering all the interval we have stacked going from a .67 base to a .83 base isn't much to me. It would be much more beneficial to a demon archer because quickshot gives you more interval as a % not a solid value which puts you around... 1.1 aps?


But back on topic the best weapon is still R9 despite the cost because of the purge / attack levels.

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Well I'll give mine, though I can't say he plays like anyone else I know. I'd say 60% auto attack and 40% skill. Though mostly the auto attack is more or less poking for a purge unless it's AA and some LA.

In a sense though he has a point the -.1 interval doesn't do much to us. Considering all the interval we have stacked going from a .67 base to a .83 base isn't much to me. It would be much more beneficial to a demon archer because quickshot gives you more interval as a % not a solid value which puts you around... 1.1 aps?

Quickshot takes me from 0.87 to 1.25 aps (44% increase)

Still a normal pvp engagement would be like a stun arrow + quickshot + like 5 normal arrows after that. That should be like 70% normal attack with 30% from skills? But then you have to factor in damage from barrages.

Maybe I should do a breakdown of my damage from a TW video or something. It would be somewhat useful to have a typical attack profile for build maximization.

0.87 attacks / sec = an interval of 1.15 seconds / attack

1.15 - (1.15 x .3) = .805 seconds / attack = 1.25 attacks / second

OneBeer - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is from ecatomb "Demon version has a 50% chance to increase attack rate by 30% for 6 seconds."

How in the world do you stack aps? or where do you find the missing 14%?

It's the same reason that Demon spark can take someone from 3.33 aps to 5.0 aps (50% more aps) despite ecatomb saying it should only be 25%.

EDIT: Ninja'd by ruvi

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Lunar cape? I can't see where you got .87 otherwise, in which case why that cape over higher survivability capes?

My survivability is fine and I doubt I'd notice an increase in survivability from the cape as much as I'd notice dropping to 0.83 aps (1.18 aps after demon spark).

I do think my cape is weak but I'm too lazy to upgrade to something that is not entirely superior.

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Hm... I recently upgraded my cape/helm from G15 to G16 and despite the large cost (aprox 700mil during chienkun sale). Overall I lost ~2% damage output because of the attack level bonus in g15. But I gained over 1k unbuffed hp and increased accuracy evasion crit and base damage from it.

I can't fathom the .04 drop base (.07 proc/spark) being THAT much of a difference to me. b:surrender

But I can understand the costs of making new gear and refining it and sharding it just isn't worth it in most cases. It also depends on what helm you're wearing etc...

/Shrugs

To each their own right? b:chuckle

Ehh you also lose some PDef and MRes getting G16 helm/cape from G15 so even the added HP comes at a cost. I have kinda crappy MRes at the moment. I'm saving up my coins for R9 3rd cast which will give me a very good MRes boost. I think I'm up to around 8 billion at the moment?

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Overall I lost ~2% damage output because of the attack level bonus in g15.

I am too lazy to calculate the numbers myself, but I am not sure how true that is. g15 hat/cape gives up to 20 dex, while g16 gives up to 60 dex. That a potentially 40 dex advantage. Lets just assume you miss 10 dex due to the cost of recast... that is still a 30 dex advantage. That 30 dex will also be multipled by an r9 arch's 100 attack level. I won't be surprised if 30 extra dex increased my overall damage by 5%. While 5 attack level only account for 2.5% of my damage.

I know that g15 hat/cape also gives 2 crit... but lets not forget 30 dex is guarantee 1% crit... with a possible of a 2nd depending on each individual's dex... so I am just going to call that a wash.

KawaiiJen wrote: »

I think I was running it through PW calc and it came out 1.5% and I just rounded it up when I decided to change it a few weeks ago.

But anyways. I came out with 37 out of the possible 48 dex and 9 out of the possible 12 strength which I'm happy with.

My crit was bumped to 4% where as before I was sitting at 3%.

As well as the other factors I mentioned. But it doesn't matter when We hit like a truck anyways.

g15 http://pwcalc.com/7c57e1270c751407 - 16358-21930 w/ 103 attack levels
final total of 33206-44517

g16 http://pwcalc.com/1cc44ffd24960b74 - 16991-22777 w/ 98 attack levels
final total of 33642-45098


The difference is 581 p.atk at the upper end... with advantage going to g16.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

g15 http://pwcalc.com/7c57e1270c751407 - 16358-21930 w/ 103 attack levels
final total of 33206-44517

g16 http://pwcalc.com/1cc44ffd24960b74 - 16991-22777 w/ 98 attack levels
final total of 33642-45098


The difference is 581 p.atk at the upper end... with advantage going to g16.

Well if you're fighting an R9 with like 70 defense levels I bet the first one will do more damage. Also attack levels benefit high damage skills like barrage more than dex does.

Really though 1% here or there is nothing compared to a real upgrade like R9 third cast which is why I'm not bothering with this junk for now. Dicking around with math is all fun but for it to be enjoyable in game it really has to be noticeably superior

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

I hear Drakeflames would give a pretty big bonus over Garnet Gems yet you've had Garnet Gems for a year b:shutup

It'll be ready for R9 3rd cast.

Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »

so many ultimate fire orbs o.o

Ast really loves that quest. You can find him making love to Sadistic Glee almost every time you check the place. All that "merchanting" stuff is just his cover story.