r8 recast bow

Thunderbow - Momaganon

well i was thinking on gettign a new bow i have +7 r8 one now and i was thinking of getting r9but that is really expensive so how does r8 recast does against r9 people can it survive few hits? or is it a waste of coins?

Eoria - Harshlands

r8 recast is a total waste at this point unless you're a support class (BM/cleric/veno/mystic/barb) looking for a def level wep or you're a BM/sin looking for int chest/boots.

If you're really that cash strapped, just get a g16 Nirvana sling/bow/xbow.

kawaiijen

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

r8 recast is a total waste at this point unless you're a support class (BM/cleric/veno/mystic/barb) looking for a def level wep or you're a BM/sin looking for int chest/boots.

If you're really that cash strapped, just get a g16 Nirvana sling/bow/xbow.

Pretty much this, except get the G16 xbow or bow. Unless you stack tons of interval the perk for sling isn't worth it.

Thunderbow - Momaganon

someone on my server has http://pwcalc.com/094abb7bdcf73820 i think this is a good bow or am just i thinking that?

kawaiijen

Thunderbow - Momaganon wrote: »

someone on my server has http://pwcalc.com/094abb7bdcf73820 i think this is a good bow or am just i thinking that?

Purge is indeed nice, however it has low end attack levels and tbh, the amount he spent to forge that and probably reroll it for stats he wanted he probably paid more then just getting the r9 bow by itself which is better.

Roslol - Harshlands

Any bow without at least +25 attack level on it is non-competitive. That said any bow without purge suck too.

Save up and go R9. G16 NV shouldn't be realistically considered by archers. I'd rather take a +7 R9 over a +10 G16 bow just because without both attack levels and purge the archer is going to have a bad time in PvP.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

There isnt really any alternative to an R9 bow.

With an R9 bow you get:
1) high attack levels
2) Fast -.1 interval
3) Spirit blackhole

Thats like 3 bows in one. With every other bow out there you have to pick only one of these features (or 2 if you are ridiculously lucky with rolling). R9 also has a long term progression with 2 additional recasts. This is bound to be affordable some day.

You also get max sockets for free.

witniss

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

There isnt really any alternative to an R9 bow.

With an R9 bow you get:
1) high attack levels
2) Fast -.1 interval
3) Spirit blackhole

Thats like 3 bows in one. With every other bow out there you have to pick only one of these features (or 2 if you are ridiculously lucky with rolling). R9 also has a long term progression with 2 additional recasts. This is bound to be affordable some day.

You also get max sockets for free.

isnt as much of a factor for sages

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

witniss wrote: »

isnt as much of a factor for sages

What percentage of a sage's damage comes from auto attacks versus skill spam?
I'd like to hear your estimate.

witniss

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

What percentage of a sage's damage comes from auto attacks versus skill spam?
I'd like to hear your estimate.

well for pvp on a sage archer I don't autoattack due to having no speed boost other than pots. However it could be a playstyle difference among sage archers and I don't know what others do.

Thunderbow - Momaganon

the r8 recast bow the one inmy server paid 100m for it the r9 bow is 525 gold +220 from the ring come on that is ALOT of coin diffrence

Eoria - Harshlands

1. You're probably not going to be as lucky as him.

2. As boogie and Aster say, there really is no alternative to an r9 bow without gimping yourself in some way. Seeing as I assume archer is your main, I would just get the r9 bow. If not, g16 Nirvana is your next best option, but I'd only consider it for an alt you don't want to spend too too much on.

kawaiijen

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

What percentage of a sage's damage comes from auto attacks versus skill spam?
I'd like to hear your estimate.

Well I'll give mine, though I can't say he plays like anyone else I know. I'd say 60% auto attack and 40% skill. Though mostly the auto attack is more or less poking for a purge unless it's AA and some LA.

In a sense though he has a point the -.1 interval doesn't do much to us. Considering all the interval we have stacked going from a .67 base to a .83 base isn't much to me. It would be much more beneficial to a demon archer because quickshot gives you more interval as a % not a solid value which puts you around... 1.1 aps?


But back on topic the best weapon is still R9 despite the cost because of the purge / attack levels.

Roslol - Harshlands

Thunderbow - Momaganon wrote: »

the r8 recast bow the one inmy server paid 100m for it the r9 bow is 525 gold +220 from the ring come on that is ALOT of coin diffrence

Yeah okay, if the faction wanted to donate/sell R8r mats dirt cheap then they might as well do the same with gold. R8r bow at normal price costs at least 250m on most servers before rerolling.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Well I'll give mine, though I can't say he plays like anyone else I know. I'd say 60% auto attack and 40% skill. Though mostly the auto attack is more or less poking for a purge unless it's AA and some LA.

In a sense though he has a point the -.1 interval doesn't do much to us. Considering all the interval we have stacked going from a .67 base to a .83 base isn't much to me. It would be much more beneficial to a demon archer because quickshot gives you more interval as a % not a solid value which puts you around... 1.1 aps?

Quickshot takes me from 0.87 to 1.25 aps (44% increase)

Still a normal pvp engagement would be like a stun arrow + quickshot + like 5 normal arrows after that. That should be like 70% normal attack with 30% from skills? But then you have to factor in damage from barrages.

Maybe I should do a breakdown of my damage from a TW video or something. It would be somewhat useful to have a typical attack profile for build maximization.

OneBeer - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Quickshot takes me from 0.87 to 1.25 aps (44% increase)

This is from ecatomb "Demon version has a 50% chance to increase attack rate by 30% for 6 seconds."

How in the world do you stack aps? or where do you find the missing 14%?

Ruvil - Sanctuary

0.87 attacks / sec = an interval of 1.15 seconds / attack

1.15 - (1.15 x .3) = .805 seconds / attack = 1.25 attacks / second

kawaiijen

Lunar cape? I can't see where you got .87 otherwise, in which case why that cape over higher survivability capes?

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

OneBeer - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is from ecatomb "Demon version has a 50% chance to increase attack rate by 30% for 6 seconds."

How in the world do you stack aps? or where do you find the missing 14%?

It's the same reason that Demon spark can take someone from 3.33 aps to 5.0 aps (50% more aps) despite ecatomb saying it should only be 25%.

EDIT: Ninja'd by ruvi

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Lunar cape? I can't see where you got .87 otherwise, in which case why that cape over higher survivability capes?

My survivability is fine and I doubt I'd notice an increase in survivability from the cape as much as I'd notice dropping to 0.83 aps (1.18 aps after demon spark).

I do think my cape is weak but I'm too lazy to upgrade to something that is not entirely superior.

kawaiijen

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

My survivability is fine and I doubt I'd notice an increase in survivability from the cape as much as I'd notice dropping to 0.83 aps (1.18 aps after demon spark).

I do think my cape is weak but I'm too lazy to upgrade to something that is not entirely superior.

Hm... I recently upgraded my cape/helm from G15 to G16 and despite the large cost (aprox 700mil during chienkun sale). Overall I lost ~2% damage output because of the attack level bonus in g15. But I gained over 1k unbuffed hp and increased accuracy evasion crit and base damage from it.

I can't fathom the .04 drop base (.07 proc/spark) being THAT much of a difference to me. b:surrender

But I can understand the costs of making new gear and refining it and sharding it just isn't worth it in most cases. It also depends on what helm you're wearing etc...

/Shrugs

To each their own right? b:chuckle

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Hm... I recently upgraded my cape/helm from G15 to G16 and despite the large cost (aprox 700mil during chienkun sale). Overall I lost ~2% damage output because of the attack level bonus in g15. But I gained over 1k unbuffed hp and increased accuracy evasion crit and base damage from it.

I can't fathom the .04 drop base (.07 proc/spark) being THAT much of a difference to me. b:surrender

But I can understand the costs of making new gear and refining it and sharding it just isn't worth it in most cases. It also depends on what helm you're wearing etc...

/Shrugs

To each their own right? b:chuckle

Ehh you also lose some PDef and MRes getting G16 helm/cape from G15 so even the added HP comes at a cost. I have kinda crappy MRes at the moment. I'm saving up my coins for R9 3rd cast which will give me a very good MRes boost. I think I'm up to around 8 billion at the moment?

kawaiijen

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ehh you also lose some PDef and MRes getting G16 helm/cape from G15 so even the added HP comes at a cost. I have kinda crappy MRes at the moment. I'm saving up my coins for R9 3rd cast which will give me a very good MRes boost. I think I'm up to around 8 billion at the moment?

Yep I lost 200 Pdef and Mdef, but in the big scheme of things that isn't much. And my M Def isn't glorious either. I sit at I think 10k Mdef.

The 65% Magic Damage Reduction charms work out nicely for that though since you can see when most ulti's are coming. There's also winged shell as a ditch effort.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

KawaiiJen wrote: »

Overall I lost ~2% damage output because of the attack level bonus in g15.

I am too lazy to calculate the numbers myself, but I am not sure how true that is. g15 hat/cape gives up to 20 dex, while g16 gives up to 60 dex. That a potentially 40 dex advantage. Lets just assume you miss 10 dex due to the cost of recast... that is still a 30 dex advantage. That 30 dex will also be multipled by an r9 arch's 100 attack level. I won't be surprised if 30 extra dex increased my overall damage by 5%. While 5 attack level only account for 2.5% of my damage.

I know that g15 hat/cape also gives 2 crit... but lets not forget 30 dex is guarantee 1% crit... with a possible of a 2nd depending on each individual's dex... so I am just going to call that a wash.

kawaiijen

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am too lazy to calculate the numbers myself, but I am not sure how true that is. g15 hat/cape gives up to 20 dex, while g16 gives up to 60 dex. That a potentially 40 dex advantage. Lets just assume you miss 10 dex due to the cost of recast... that is still a 30 dex advantage. That 30 dex will also be multipled by an r9 arch's 100 attack level. I won't be surprised if 30 extra dex increased my overall damage by 5%. While 5 attack level only account for 2.5% of my damage.

I know that g15 hat/cape also gives 2 crit... but lets not forget 30 dex is guarantee 1% crit... with a possible of a 2nd depending on each individual's dex... so I am just going to call that a wash.

I think I was running it through PW calc and it came out 1.5% and I just rounded it up when I decided to change it a few weeks ago.

But anyways. I came out with 37 out of the possible 48 dex and 9 out of the possible 12 strength which I'm happy with.

My crit was bumped to 4% where as before I was sitting at 3%.

As well as the other factors I mentioned. But it doesn't matter when We hit like a truck anyways.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

KawaiiJen wrote: »

I think I was running it through PW calc and it came out 1.5% and I just rounded it up when I decided to change it a few weeks ago.

But anyways. I came out with 37 out of the possible 48 dex and 9 out of the possible 12 strength which I'm happy with.

My crit was bumped to 4% where as before I was sitting at 3%.

As well as the other factors I mentioned. But it doesn't matter when We hit like a truck anyways.

g15 http://pwcalc.com/7c57e1270c751407 - 16358-21930 w/ 103 attack levels
final total of 33206-44517

g16 http://pwcalc.com/1cc44ffd24960b74 - 16991-22777 w/ 98 attack levels
final total of 33642-45098


The difference is 581 p.atk at the upper end... with advantage going to g16.

witniss

My input on the interval is it comes on the r9 bow so....
yeah. Its there but I don't utilize it.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

g15 http://pwcalc.com/7c57e1270c751407 - 16358-21930 w/ 103 attack levels
final total of 33206-44517

g16 http://pwcalc.com/1cc44ffd24960b74 - 16991-22777 w/ 98 attack levels
final total of 33642-45098


The difference is 581 p.atk at the upper end... with advantage going to g16.

Well if you're fighting an R9 with like 70 defense levels I bet the first one will do more damage. Also attack levels benefit high damage skills like barrage more than dex does.

Really though 1% here or there is nothing compared to a real upgrade like R9 third cast which is why I'm not bothering with this junk for now. Dicking around with math is all fun but for it to be enjoyable in game it really has to be noticeably superior

Quilue - Sanctuary

I hear Drakeflames would give a pretty big bonus over Garnet Gems yet you've had Garnet Gems for a year b:shutup

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

I hear Drakeflames would give a pretty big bonus over Garnet Gems yet you've had Garnet Gems for a year b:shutup

It'll be ready for R9 3rd cast.

Ruvil - Sanctuary

so many ultimate fire orbs o.o

truekossy

Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »

so many ultimate fire orbs o.o

Ast really loves that quest. You can find him making love to Sadistic Glee almost every time you check the place. All that "merchanting" stuff is just his cover story.