Severity of Punishments

b:laugh Bwahaha

is it possible to have a not allowed look on ure character without editing ure ini files?

Dragoneast - Sanctuary wrote: »

is it possible to have a not allowed look on ure character without editing ure ini files?

If a GM is PMSing hard enough, they'll just say your look isn't possible without INI editing and ban you. What're you gonna do, fraps a video of you creating that exact look using the in-game tools only? And even if you do, think they're gonna get any reprimand for banning you?

Edit: the terms of service make it fairly clear that they reserve the right to permaban you at any time, for any reason or no reason at all. (Section 10, last paragraph; section 19, first sentence.) The list of things you're not allowed to do are examples of things they don't like; nowhere in that document do they limit themselves to banning you for ONLY the listed reasons. Which means we, the players, are basically at the mercy of PWE's internal corporate culture, regarding the sorts of things they encourage or discourage their GMs to do, and allow / not allow their GMs to get away with. Us nitpicking the text of the TOS is a hiding to nothing. If we want to be saying anything pertinent we should start talking about how PWE employees view us and how they do or don't get away with treating us, that is, we should be talking about their corporate culture and attitude.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well, alegedly the ini thingy is just a matter of sending in a ticket to get unbanned, so that's really not a big deal. Although I agree e-mails should be sent out informing a player of that, lol.

I can honestly see why PWI doesnt want people playing around in their files. I mean ini, and then what? What else can I manipulate in my files?

But, if other servers are free to do it, all should be free to do it. In the end, if you want EG eyes, just roll a EG char, and wala - you have EG eyes. But, I dont see it being fair for certain groups of players to do, and others be banned for it.

(Nice segway back on topic, btw.)

Also, we're making a policy change - Any player found to be using in-game chat to find or organize an FC glitch group will have his account suspended. This of course includes World Chat.

There is nothing subjective about that. This says is in no uncertain terms you WILL be banned. Even looking for a glitching results in a ban. That is what it is saying. Because PWI said you WILL be banned many, many people who listened to Frankie did not participate. They got screwed over because it was a lie. Even the company admits that they SHOULD have been banned. And that they WANTED to ban them. The only reason they DID NOT was because of mismanagement and failure to properly monitor the situation. They would not have needed tools if they had monitored world chat and banned the first offenders right away. Heck, it wouldn't have even needed to be a permaban for most people then because you didn't get 105 from a single run. They could have just banned them for the duration of the glitch. It's like a thief who gets away because the police didn't properly handle the evidence. People have every right to be upset about it.


And you aren't playing around in their files to ini edit. The original version made those ini files specifically so that they could be modified and have always allowed people to do so. It doesn't require any modification of the files used to make PWI work. Copying and pasting a file there isn't any different than copying and pasting a picture into there. They allow you to use reference pictures and put a picture in there but not a notepad file. It's a double standard and a weird one that is only enforced on people who use the east and west coast North American time servers. It isn't even a PWI rule anymore, since you can modify the files all you want so long as you click European server.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

ini is bannable. Okay, and a thread that told you how to ini edit was closed. Wouldn't that flag that people might already have gone beyond the simple ini edit?

That thread did not tell you how to ini edit. And the reason the thread was not closed is because it violated no known rules at the time of creation. Instead people have been asked to remove the codes at their earliest possible convenience. And to post using sliders if they still want people to use the created characters.

Denaini - Sanctuary wrote: »

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Continue to do nothing and make promises to the players which you cannot fulfill.
This option certainly isn't very good either.

This is the option they choose.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Please note: It's only because you say so that they have to do that. There is nothing written in stone anywhere that says they HAVE to do that.

You are making a demand that has nothing to do with any rule as written. Its an ultimatum almost. You demand punishment be released swiftly, or not be given at all. Okay, you know...*shrugs*

Dumb it down somemore for yourself now. Bwhahaha. b:laugh

P.S. Im sure somewhere in the Agreement we all made when starting to play this game, just like every other MMO, we agreed they had the right to do what they want with their game - including our characters.

Dumb it down for myself? If I have to dumb something down for myself that I already understand..."smarted up"...seriously are you like 12 years old? lol

And if you had read anything that I wrote you'd understand that what I'm arguing is this...

Glitching not allowed + glitching = ban =/= glitching + not ban = glitching not allowed

As it stands PW has claimed it was against the rules and players would be severely punished. However as it stands PW has not punished anyone or done anything to prove that it was against the rules aside from empty statements.

I'm done replying. Next time I want to talk to an idiot I'll call PW support.

Flutterpie - Lothranis wrote: »

if PWE wanted to stop goons they could have had an emergency patch the first week (like they had for r8r soulsphere exploit).

if that was outside their ability they could have had GMs actively pop into instances and ban people in the act (would be pretty easy).

instead they released Charm Sales followed by a Hyper Sale followed by a Rank Sale!!!!!!!!!!!

PWE FULLY SUPPORTED GOONS AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF POWERLEVELING FROM THE START

Frankie just lied about that part about it being against the rules just like how he lied about +11/+12 orbs causing client instability...

he's made lots of lies so it should have been expected!

after it was widely popular for months it would be stupid to go back and claim its bannable a year later.. what a joke

Lies...Lies... Where I have I heard about someone who blatantly lied like that...

Oh. This guy.

honestly I wasn't at all surpised by the whole goon glitching thing and it was more of a two day ban cause the amount of tickets spammed to pw's inbox honestly things like that should be a character reset or a perma ban reguardless of any circumstances or reasons you can find to throw at it to hold your case as to why you should be able to abuse a broken game mechanic.

It doesn't matter anymore anyways and I know how long it takes to reach 105 I honestly don't think any player other than maybe 10 across all servers may have reached it legitely I've played this game long enough to know when not to step in the bull poo of others when they run their mouth's.

Anyways again READ THE TOS take it and have it notorized and explained to you so that you actually understand all the legalitie's of it i don't care unless someone from pwi officially anounces that your allowed to do something that you may even think to be questionable just don't do it.

Don't like the rules gtfo go play a private server and **** with stuff your not allowed to here b:bye

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

Fyi they didn't fix it, just simply lowered exp to a point where it's useless.
That edit would've taken 5 minutes at most to do.

Plus it's a clumsy, stupid way to fix it.

FC has the same mob (glacix dragoon) in a bunch of other places too, where they aren't spawned by any glitch. The "fix" they used nerfed their XP, too.

The not-so-clumsy, not-entirely-stupid fix would have involved cloning the mob (making a dragoon-prime) and changing the cloned version to give no XP. Then changing the glitched boss (styren) to spawn dragoon-prime, but leave the other dragoons in the instance as they were. Note how the database has two copies of harpy wraith already, with only one of them being the target mob for one infamous quest; clonings-with-differences are clearly possible.

shopitup wrote: »

Plus it's a clumsy, stupid way to fix it.

FC has the same mob (glacix dragoon) in a bunch of other places too, where they aren't spawned by any glitch. The "fix" they used nerfed their XP, too.

The not-so-clumsy, not-entirely-stupid fix would have involved cloning the mob (making a dragoon-prime) and changing the cloned version to give no XP. Then changing the glitched boss (styren) to spawn dragoon-prime, but leave the other dragoons in the instance as they were. Note how the database has two copies of harpy wraith already, with only one of them being the target mob for one infamous quest; clonings-with-differences are clearly possible.

The problem with that is that it would make too much sense...

Fixing the glitch? Too much work.
Making the boss spawn a different id of mobs? Too much work.
Reducing the exp of the mob? Sounds great! Give us half a year to work on it.

Labells - Dreamweaver wrote: »

why does every thread seem to lead back to people crying over goons glitch

Do this

seriously people it's been & gone.... draw a line under the whole episode and move along - for good or bad PWI has dealt & undealt with it - it's not getting any better - if you are unable to cope with this concept go QQ to your therapist.

You don't know! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!!!!!!!!! b:cryb:cryb:angryb:angry

frankieraye wrote: »

I agree with you, changing an eye color is not damaging to the game in any way, and it's unfortunate that so many Customer Service hours are spent on enforcing the rule in this way. The thing is, the rule exists because such changes are covered in the whole "You're not allowed to modify any game files" rule. There have been exploits in the past that involved editing other client-side game files, so that's why the rule exists in the first place, and unfortunately purely cosmetic changes fall under it as well. Another part of it is the possibility that modifying certain game files will keep you from being able to log in to the game.

Honestly, we'd love to allow the harmless cosmetic .ini changes, since it would one allow our GM team to focus on far more important issues like **** accounts etc, and two it would let players achieve higher levels of customization to their own characters, which they obviously are interested in doing. Doing so, though, would require a re-wording of that "modifying game files" rule, along with further clarification into its various shades of grey. Still it's definitely something that's being looked at right now.

Frankie, When I click "Save" to save a character appearance into hard disk, that saved file is not a "Game-System File" That's a User file, its MY file, MY version of MY character. Altering this file won't make the game unacessible nor will grant me unfair advantage over our fellow players. b:shutup

So you saying that when you open a text editor and save an .doc file thats a file of the Text editor not yours?

ponyduck wrote: »

If I were a member of PWE management, I would be wondering why this topic
just doesn't seem to die. Perhaps it's indicative of the impact the whole episode
had on the game & its players? Most businesses tend to notice this level of
discontent among their clientele, and earnestly try to resolve it.

And, btw, this IS my therapy. b:chuckle

You would think a business would want to maintain it's customers...you'd think that at least...

Nymphali - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Frankie, When I click "Save" to save a character appearance into hard disk, that saved file is not a "Game-System File" That's a User file, its MY file, MY version of MY character. Altering this file won't make the game unacessible nor will grant me unfair advantage over our fellow players. b:shutup

So you saying that when you open a text editor and save an .doc file thats a file of the Text editor not yours?

Lessee...

Terms of Service wrote:

PWE is the owner of the Website, the Games, the Software and the Service, which are protected by US and international law including copyright laws. All rights and title in and to the Website, the Game, the Software and the Service, all features and content thereof (including without limitation any user accounts, titles, computer code, files, game software, client and server software, tools, patches, updates, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, storylines, objects, content, text, dialogue, catch phrases, themes, locations, concepts, artwork, designs, graphics, pictures, video, animation, sounds, music, musical, compositions, sound recordings, audio-visual effects, information, data, documentation, , "applets", chat transcripts, character profile information, game play, and recordings )

So no, the text editor does not own the file. The creator of the text editor does.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lessee...



So no, the text editor does not own the file. The creator of the text editor does.

Means you can Make a .rtf file in wordpad but cannot use emacs to edit it?

shopitup wrote: »

Game software companies have very, very different ideas on this than do office software creators. Sort of like this.

Other versions of this same game, created by the same company allows ini modifications under certain rules like: Don't make anomalous ugly looking creepy characters.

Finally, the .INI format belongs to a different company, these files are used to pass parameters to the DirectX and does not affect on the gameplay nor changes the original art developed by our Chinese fellows.