Cleric Training: A guide for clerics from a clerics perspective.

Silverish - Sanctuary wrote: »

a very good guide, and +1 to made it within cleric's perspective.

I am thinking of adding some tips on how to do teamwork with 2 or more clerics in squads.

For advanced clerics this won't matter, but for low to mid levels, it is sometimes difficult to decide who will be the main support or what role does every cleric have to make a smooth cleric teamwork, which is often lead to fail squad

I am not an expert on this, but if you consider this is important to put, maybe you can put some advises on cleric teamwork.

I agree! I've met so many other clerics (I seem to attract them o_o) that simply don't know what to do if there's more than one cleric in a squad. One of my favorite bh51 runs was with 3 clerics and a barb! =P

I personally always--ALWAYS--healed, ever since I started to squad, since often the clerics above me have better DD capabilities anyway and my heals are often sufficient on their own I don't complain if other clerics decide they want to heal only too, because it's good healing practice for them without the full risk of there being a slip up, and extra heals are good heals. I've found that always considering yourself to be the healer from the get go clears up a lot of the confusion with the whole "who's gonna heal" debate. Buffing, however, is another matter entirely.

b:chuckle I have been known to throw in an occasional Tempest if a boss only has 20k hp left and I don't need BB later. Just for fun, of course.

Then there are those jealous clerics that wish to be the only cleric in the squad and will ragedrop squad if there's another one...<_< I've not had much experience with those. Might be worth mentioning.

b:victory Glad to see that the guide is growing!

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Thanks Venus. I'm in the process of working on it now. Your work on editing the color scheme for me is VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

@Silverish and Jeremied: I'm going to try to add some more information from working with multiple clerics in the squad as you requested, as well as dealing with certain clerics that have special conditions. They are out here, and speaking of which I've seen a lot of new clerics...and even heard of some level 40'ish and 50'ish clerics whacking mobs with their wands, so I'm probably going to add a section to show the reason why this is not recommeded, and the usage of skills are.

@Everyone: I may go away from my keyboard periodically, so it may take longer to edit the post. Hopefully, it'll be up again by tonight...but do understand if its a little longer. (I do have a life outside of my computer. Lol. Just be patient, and feel free to add any ideas or thoughts that you might have on it in the meantime. I'll try to get it to you all as fast as possible.)

Take care in the meantime.

The exception to the whacking things with a wand thing is the hands in FC if they can get the squad to huddle up and be close to the boss, it goes a lot faster than pulling a perfectly good DD away from the fight. And you're welcome, it didn't take me very long to reformat it.

I wrote a "TW Tips for Clerics" post in Dynasty's forums an eon ago. If I dig it up, I'll post it here for you to use as you see fit.

This is quickly building up to be my favorite cleric guide! b:victory

One thing that might be worth putting in the grinding section are hyperlinks to PWDatabase's mob specific pages.

For example, a cleric interested in grinding Orchid Petalis' would click the hyperlink and see a page that says exactly how much life they have, their phys and mag attack power, how much exp and spirit they give, a map that points out individual spawn coordinates, and a list of what their drops are and the drop rate of such items.

And hyperlinks would look much more smooth than keeping the url in the title space.

I'd be happy to hyperlink them for you if you'd like.

Otherwise, the hyperlink button is that little globe icon with the chain links at the bottom, a little box should pop up, post in the URL, and then it'll format it for you and auto select all the text in the title space where you can type anything you want.

You don't have to add all the Vipions to the list btw, they range widely from levels 30-54 and are generally already there for quests anyway. I just like them because they're poison air mobs and give double the exp that ground mobs do, drop DQ and Fruit which sell well, and are good practice to start using purify at those levels.

why this isn't stickied yet?!?!?!? b:angry

mods do something usefull instead of necro-hunting all day!!! b:laugh

cool guide Serenity! b:victory

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hmm, perhaps a gear progression guide would be nice. :P

I meant to do that a long time ago. Now I haven't the desire or even current knowledge on pricing and ease of attainment to do so anymore.

EDIT:

This is for the guide to use as you see fit. I wrote this out a century ago when I led squads for Dynasty on Dreamweaver as a cata cleric (more often than not) or as a defense squad leader. I edited some stuff out because the stats/builds/gear posted were for a different time and a different standard. Even so there's a large chunk of info missing concerning more contemporary tactics (e.g. lvl100 skills, which not many people had when I wrote this). It really isn't very good, but it's something to get the TW aspect started. I am not a great authority in 1v1 PvP or TW as I never considered myself particularly good at either, so if someone disagrees and/or has a way better idea than mine, then go for it. I am sure there are far better people to give insight, but I haven't seen any posting yet :<





1) A cleric's job in TW is varied, but it is squad-dependent

Depending on your squad composition, you will have specific tasks. If you are in a catapult squad, you will be healing/purifying/rebuffing the tank as the primary objective and making sure you remain alive to do so, as the secondary objective. If you are in a defense/attack squad you will either be offensive and help use control skills to gank targets or keep a VIP alive in your squad (similar to a cat cleric). Ideally, you will support your squad to the best of your ability.

2) Survivability

As you can see, both tasks in 1) require you to not die immediately. You NEED to survive more than a few hits for a player of your level and there is really no exception to that. Otherwise, you are a non-factor when getting hit. Sorry, but that's the way it is. If you have **** defenses, you WILL get one-shot and, thus, be useless to the squad. You also have three shields to use: Plume Shell, WoP, and GL. Learn what they do, their limitations, and use them!

3) Be intelligent

If someone is running away, try to freeze them, don't give chase. If someone hit you with a stun, immediately use an immunity pot or Badge of Courage as both break stuns. If a barb is running through to the crystal, immobilize it with SILENT SEAL, NOT SLEEP. Think on your feet and be logical. For example, remember that if it is immune to damage or dies slowly, an archer can BOA it. So don't stand right next to catapults, towers, the crystal, bind posts, or chi posts. You will die if you get purged and BOAed by an end-game archer.

5) Squad Ganking

This isn't so much cleric-specific as it is a general principle for TW. Still I will include it because it merits being mentioned. Team up with others and NEVER 1v1 IN TW. Call out priority targets (cat barbs or clerics, if defense squad. Wizzies, nix venos, VIP players, if attack squad) as a squad and gank them as a squad. As an example, if you have an archer in your attack/def squad, assist off him and tell him to debuff for you. At this point in the game, it is NOT feasible to take on people solo. They have apo, genie skills, gear, and food. They will easily live through your hits unless you are very lucky or the level/gear difference is in your favor.

6) Silent seal > Chromatic seal the majority of the time

I know this sounds ridiculous, but I have found this to be true. Unless you are 1v1-ing someone (read: do not ever do in TW) or only mean to temporarily put a target out of the fight (assuming he won't get hit while out of it), then sleep is just NOT a viable option. Your primary purpose, when attacking, is to immobilize so everyone can assault a target. If you sleep a target, then someone hits it, the sleep is gone and you are left with less chi and a speed reduction. As I said earlier, if a barb is pulling a cat and gets slept, the next thing that will happen is he will surely get hit and you are left the same way as before. Now, unless you suddenly were ninja-ed and need to immobilize that person, freeze is the all-around better skill in TW.

7) Do not be an obvious target

This goes hand-in-hand with 3). Don't sit in the middle of the lane. Don't sit in BB in an easily visible location. Don't stand next to BOA-able targets. Et cetera...

8) ALWAYS BUFF YOUR SQUAD

This is a personal pet peeve of mine. Do NOT ever leave your squad un-buffed. If you all wiped, make sure EVERYONE stays to get buffs before heading out again. Never, ever, EVER leave the spawn without you or your squad members fully buffed.

9) Apothecary items

Learn what they do, when it is best to use them, how to use them, and what they look like when others use them. No exceptions.

10) Genie skills

This was briefly mentioned earlier, but here are some suggested genie skills:

You need some sort of anti-bleed/anti-nix skill --> Blood Clot OR Cauterize
You need some sort of anti-stun skill --> Fortify OR Absolute Domain (These work marvelously well when used right before an immunity pot. I find I use AD less than Fortify, but your mileage may vary.) Badge of Courage is a great skill too, just remember that it breaks out of a stun, it does not prevent a stun.
You need some sort of chi-gain skill --> Cloud Eruption (what I've always used... others exist, but I honestly know nothing about them)
And, of course, you need a speed skill --> Holy Path

Hm i didnt read all of it, but if i was a cleric i would leave revive at lvl 1 even on high lvls.... yes i am retarted and an ****, but that skill wont help me at all, and i refuse to pay money on that... so yesh...

and be4 the rage starts, i never mind to get up when cleric is dead and there was a partywipe, yes if others take aggro and cannot deal with having aggro ** them, they should know better

b:victory I also vote that this gets stickied. It's one of the most complete class guides I've seen, might even convince my partner to make a cleric for when I'm on a different char!

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Actually you do half damage if you attack a mob while in the air so you definitely SHOULD land before you start attacking.

I mean that fight at air can be done without any other mount except flying.


Also not really sure you mean by independent from mob type? Do you mean that metals attacks are strong against wood, but phsyical attacks are strong no matter what? If so you're correct. Its important to note though that the only time that would be useful information is against metal mobs, since our considerably stronger metal attacks do normal damage against everything else and even do enhanced damage against wood mobs.
I mean that physical attack is independent from element of mob.




Actually that would be cyclone. Because it slows the enemy down giving you quite a bit of chance to get some damage in before having to kite. Unless you're referring to opening with plume shot due to the oddity of cyclone causing threat to increase a second or so before the actual hit lands.
I mean that physical attack is independent from element of mob.
And I just used one Plume shot skill after many tries, without cyclone if kitting was not necessary.

It was easy to me press 1 button instead of 2 buttons.

magicsabre wrote: »

If you have not spirit (spent on healing skills) and have Plume Shot, you not need anything else for single target.

no comment


Me too (commented already).



If you're going to be prioritizing aoes for grinding as opposed to high damage single target nukes like wield thunder, then I would definitely recommend getting at least level 1 of Tempest.


I had.

Low damage, low range, eat 2 sparks ...




You're missing out by not having plume shell. Plume shell is really important for absorbing damage, just pop an mp pot to make up for the mp consumed. There are some things IH just isn't going to cut it on, and besides when you're ihing you're not attacking. Plume shell is really very important for being able to take some physical damage and will help you to survive aoes from certain bosses later on as well.



To prevent big damage from physical attacks I used my increased physical defense.

During physical AoE of boss I was so far as possible from him by 10 level of purify and maximum level of other healing skills.

If my Cleric was hit by physical attack(it was not so often), I used HP pot, which was given to me as quest reward.

After level 40 my Cleric had not bought even one MP pot or MP charm ...

And I had about 2 mil MP reserve for fight at level 78.


... And to land before casting double spark, as you do only half damage...

Mothran Dazzlewing is a butterfly.

Here is answer.

I not leveled Metal mastery or other Metal attacking skills (except cyclone, which was at maximum) because main purpose of my Cleric was healing.

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Here are some flying mobs for grinding (including AoE grinding) and other mobs:

Level 37 - 44:
Native Vipion level 41, flying poison mob. Location: North of Swiftwind Tribe.

Level 45 - 52:
Evolved Vipion level 50, flying poison mob. Location: Around the Elf, Untamed and Human starter towns.

Level 53 - 57:
Vipion Revolutionary level 54, flying poison mob. Location: City of Misfortune.

Level 58 - 62:
Foxwing Supreme level 60, flying magic mob. Location: North of Tusk Town, or around the starter towns for non-aggro. Best is north of Broken Bridge Village.

Level 63 - 64:
Vampiric Nightstalker level 62, flying magic mob. Location: Village of the Dreaming Cloud.

Level 65 - 70:
Vampiric Minion level 68, flying magic mob. Location: Swamp of the Wraiths.

Level 71 - 74:
Carrion Vulture level 72, wood element flying magic mob. Location: Fragrant Hills, north of Sanctuary.

Level 75 - 82:
Mothran Dazzlewing level 80, wood element flying magic mob. Location: Lake of Woe, west of Dream Weaver Port. This is where the famous butterfly parties start: A group of 6 people using an exp scroll and killing as many butterflies as they can during 1 full hour. It's considered the cheaper alternative to AoE, as the exp reward is enormous compared to normal grinding.

Level 83 - 90:
Ultrafin Supreme level 88. Location: Sea of Isolation. Fish parties work the same as the butterflies. Alternatively, if you don't find enough people for your squad, you can solo AoE at the level 85 poison mobs called Malicious Cadevil, east of Thousand Streams. Be aware that their stacked poison can be quite strong, so I advise you to max purify to avoid any casualties.

That mob list is from the Caeyon's ancient cleric guide. I'm amazed I remember that

b:chuckle

I'll re-quote this for you in case you missed it. I should have added a new post instead of editing a previous one of mine.

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is for the guide to use as you see fit. I wrote this out a century ago when I led squads for Dynasty on Dreamweaver as a cata cleric (more often than not) or as a defense squad leader. I edited some stuff out because the stats/builds/gear posted were for a different time and a different standard. Even so there's a large chunk of info missing concerning more contemporary tactics (e.g. lvl100 skills, which not many people had when I wrote this). It really isn't very good, but it's something to get the TW aspect started. I am not a great authority in 1v1 PvP or TW as I never considered myself particularly good at either, so if someone disagrees and/or has a way better idea than mine, then go for it. I am sure there are far better people to give insight, but I haven't seen any posting yet :<





1) A cleric's job in TW is varied, but it is squad-dependent

Depending on your squad composition, you will have specific tasks. If you are in a catapult squad, you will be healing/purifying/rebuffing the tank as the primary objective and making sure you remain alive to do so, as the secondary objective. If you are in a defense/attack squad you will either be offensive and help use control skills to gank targets or keep a VIP alive in your squad (similar to a cat cleric). Ideally, you will support your squad to the best of your ability.

2) Survivability

As you can see, both tasks in 1) require you to not die immediately. You NEED to survive more than a few hits for a player of your level and there is really no exception to that. Otherwise, you are a non-factor when getting hit. Sorry, but that's the way it is. If you have **** defenses, you WILL get one-shot and, thus, be useless to the squad. You also have three shields to use: Plume Shell, WoP, and GL. Learn what they do, their limitations, and use them!

3) Be intelligent

If someone is running away, try to freeze them, don't give chase. If someone hit you with a stun, immediately use an immunity pot or Badge of Courage as both break stuns. If a barb is running through to the crystal, immobilize it with SILENT SEAL, NOT SLEEP. Think on your feet and be logical. For example, remember that if it is immune to damage or dies slowly, an archer can BOA it. So don't stand right next to catapults, towers, the crystal, bind posts, or chi posts. You will die if you get purged and BOAed by an end-game archer.

5) Squad Ganking

This isn't so much cleric-specific as it is a general principle for TW. Still I will include it because it merits being mentioned. Team up with others and NEVER 1v1 IN TW. Call out priority targets (cat barbs or clerics, if defense squad. Wizzies, nix venos, VIP players, if attack squad) as a squad and gank them as a squad. As an example, if you have an archer in your attack/def squad, assist off him and tell him to debuff for you. At this point in the game, it is NOT feasible to take on people solo. They have apo, genie skills, gear, and food. They will easily live through your hits unless you are very lucky or the level/gear difference is in your favor.

6) Silent seal > Chromatic seal the majority of the time

I know this sounds ridiculous, but I have found this to be true. Unless you are 1v1-ing someone (read: do not ever do in TW) or only mean to temporarily put a target out of the fight (assuming he won't get hit while out of it), then sleep is just NOT a viable option. Your primary purpose, when attacking, is to immobilize so everyone can assault a target. If you sleep a target, then someone hits it, the sleep is gone and you are left with less chi and a speed reduction. As I said earlier, if a barb is pulling a cat and gets slept, the next thing that will happen is he will surely get hit and you are left the same way as before. Now, unless you suddenly were ninja-ed and need to immobilize that person, freeze is the all-around better skill in TW.

7) Do not be an obvious target

This goes hand-in-hand with 3). Don't sit in the middle of the lane. Don't sit in BB in an easily visible location. Don't stand next to BOA-able targets. Et cetera...

8) ALWAYS BUFF YOUR SQUAD

This is a personal pet peeve of mine. Do NOT ever leave your squad un-buffed. If you all wiped, make sure EVERYONE stays to get buffs before heading out again. Never, ever, EVER leave the spawn without you or your squad members fully buffed.

9) Apothecary items

Learn what they do, when it is best to use them, how to use them, and what they look like when others use them. No exceptions.

10) Genie skills

This was briefly mentioned earlier, but here are some suggested genie skills:

You need some sort of anti-bleed/anti-nix skill --> Blood Clot OR Cauterize
You need some sort of anti-stun skill --> Fortify OR Absolute Domain (These work marvelously well when used right before an immunity pot. I find I use AD less than Fortify, but your mileage may vary.) Badge of Courage is a great skill too, just remember that it breaks out of a stun, it does not prevent a stun.
You need some sort of chi-gain skill --> Cloud Eruption (what I've always used... others exist, but I honestly know nothing about them)
And, of course, you need a speed skill --> Holy Path

Also, here's an old post I dug up with some pointers on it as well.

TW Tips for Clerics