Cleric Training: A guide for clerics from a clerics perspective.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

magicsabre wrote: »

Here is answer.

I not leveled Metal mastery or other Metal attacking skills (except cyclone, which was at maximum) because main purpose of my Cleric was healing.

I understand that, but if that's the case, then missed out on the extra power that it allows. Cyclone will hit harder than plume shot normally will due to the increase in damage from metal mastery. As will wield thunder, siren's kiss, thunderball and tempest. All metal damage increases from it, and I do believe that a cleric should be capable enough to defend themselves if need be.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You could add a order of how you should level your skills.
I personally went by:
*Buffs
*IH
*Purify(level 5 is good for a while)
*Wellspring
*Poke attacks (Cyclone; Plume Shot)
*Plume Shell
*Other attacks
*Other heals
*Purify (max it)
*debuffs

This is how i leveled up my skills, and my buffs and ih were always updated.

To be honest, I started to do this, but I stopped for a few reasons. Each person is going to level up skills their own way. I didn't want to be too stringent on it. Some people are involved in faction life, others in lots of squads, and others are solo based. All of those are variables in how the skills should be leveled, so I instead went with things like prioritize, recommended, not recommended, etc. That way, the player would understand that its a good skill, and that it should be gotten, but also giving them more room to work with. (I'm normally solo, so I actually had wield leveled up before SOR. Other clerics may not level wield until some time later, so its partially dependent on whats good for them.)

Im not sure if apothecary was mentioned, but try to make as much mp restoring apothecary for yourself up to lvl 75. Otherwise you gonna be spending tons of money on pots, and i always dug all my herbs.

I agree with this, and if you could give some info on what you used, I'll gladly add it. To be honest, I never really had the patience to master apoth, so I used a lot of pots and meditation for some time. (Mainly used pots during bh, and meditated when questing. Lol.)

As for pdef rings, might wanna add that if you are pure build and have no vit etc it could be very beneficial to use pdef rings. As you have more than enough magic att to make up for the loss.

I'll quote this, and put it in the section where Venus and Decus talked about it.

As for channel orna's.... Dont go all channel when you reach lvl 100 you will automatically have high channeling so it is NOT necessary! Focus on your survival more. Yes i have a pet peeve about channel clerics. You can keep 2 sets if you really want to, like channeling gear and survival gear and just switch around at appropriate times.

^^^^^ This. I agree with fully. To be honest, my ornaments are pdef. The only channeling that I normally get comes from my weapon. Survival is essential. No matter how fast you may be able to heal, a dead cleric heals NO ONE. (I also share the pet peeve about channeling, and agree with the two sets if you really want the channeling.)

Sidenote: Its saying that the message is too short, and to please legnthen it. Lol.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'll re-quote this for you in case you missed it. I should have added a new post instead of editing a previous one of mine.




Also, here's an old post I dug up with some pointers on it as well.

TW Tips for Clerics

@ Decus: Nice. Thanks. I'll add that to it.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Alright, here goes:
*Jade Powder
Recovers 3000 Mp over 30 seconds
Apothecary level 2 required.
Useful till level 40.

*Focus Powder
Use after Guardian seal lol
Increases Mp regen to 50 per second
Apothecary level 2 required.
Your mp will decrease slower with this but to get a full affect of this meditation will speed up your mp regen. Don't have to use this if you dont really want to.

*Soothing Orb
Recovers 6000 mp over 30 seconds
Apothecary level 3 required.
Useful until mid 60's

*Arctic Orb
Recovers 9000 mp over 30 seconds
Apothecary level 4 required.
Useful till you are able to use mp food.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

magicsabre wrote: »

Here is answer.

I not leveled Metal mastery or other Metal attacking skills (except cyclone, which was at maximum) because main purpose of my Cleric was healing.

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Here are some flying mobs for grinding (including AoE grinding) and other mobs:

Nice list, and I didn't realize you were talking about only mothran dazzlewings. I thought that was how you aoe grinded in general for some reason, my apologies. I will say though that the reason your tempest isn't doing what you wanted is because of how much you've underpowered your metal attacks by not levelling metal mastery. My tempest does almost half-one third (i have pataka so that range is stupid) the mobs health in a single shot when its fully levelled with metal mastery. A tiny bit less than that. And i'm a vit build, I could be doing even more damage if I chose to restat. Would like to point out though that tempest has MORE range than razor feathers. Razor Feather is 4.4 meteres, while tempest level 1 range is 8.4 meters. That's nearly double the range. If you compare level 10 razor feathers to level 1 tempest, razor feathers range is 8.0 meters and level 1 tempest is 8.4. So tempest definitely has more range than razor feathers.

magicsabre

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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Would like to point out though that tempest has MORE range than razor feathers. Razor Feather is 4.4 meteres, while tempest level 1 range is 8.4 meters. That's nearly double the range. If you compare level 10 razor feathers to level 1 tempest, razor feathers range is 8.0 meters and level 1 tempest is 8.4. So tempest definitely has more range than razor feathers.

Again, I mean distance from Cleric to enemy.

For each level 1 attack spell this distance is minimal.

For level 10 attack spell this distance is maximum.

If I have few level 10 attack spells and one level 1 attack spell, then to cast level 1 attack spell I must reduce distance from Cleric to enemy even if my Cleric attacked same enemy before with level 10 spells. This cost time (Cleric would be damaged during those time and may be even killed) and dps of those level 1 spell reduced to minimum.

While Tempest has attack range (distance to target) less than attack range of Razor Feather, Razor Feather is better.

Razor Feathers (Level 1)

Cleric: lvl 23 - Spirit: 7,000 - Coin: 8,600

Mastered at level 68

Range: 18.4 meters
Mana: 103.5
Channel: 2.5 seconds
Cast: 1.5 seconds
Cooldown: 8.0 seconds
Weapon: Unarmed, Magic Instruments
Requisite Cultivation: Aware of Principle

Manipulate your wings to form countless quill blades to attack the target and all enemies within 4.4 meters radius around it. Inflicts physical damage equal to base magic attack plus 110% of weapon damage plus 527.5.

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Cleric: lvl 59 Spirit: 87.000 Coin: 120.000

Mastered at level 86

Tempest Level 1

Range 18.4meters

Mana 354

Channel 4.0 seconds

Cast 1.5 seconds

Cooldown 30.0 seconds

Weapon Unarmed, Magic Instruments

Requisite Cultivation Transcendant

Focus all of your energy to cast down countless thunder bolts at the target and enemies within a 8.4 meter radius around it, inflicting Metal damage equal to your base magic damage plus 220% of weapon damage plus 5343.8. Has a 86% chance to cause a 6.2 second reduction in speed of 60%.

Requires two Sparks

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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Nice list ...

This was quote from The IceDrakes Full Cleric Guide.

I just replaced one mob Minion of Alucard (absent now) by existing.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

magicsabre wrote: »

Again, I mean distance from Cleric to enemy.

For each level 1 attack spell this distance is minimal.

For level 10 attack spell this distance is maximum.

If I have few level 10 attack spells and one level 1 attack spell, then to cast level 1 attack spell I must reduce distance from Cleric to enemy even if my Cleric attacked same enemy before with level 10 spells. This cost time (Cleric would be damaged during those time and may be even killed) and dps of those level 1 spell reduced to minimum.

While Tempest has attack range (distance to target) less than attack range of Razor Feather, Razor Feather is better.





This was quote from The IceDrakes Full Cleric Guide.

I just replaced one mob Minion of Alucard (absent now) by existing.

Range to cast is 18.4 meters for both of them at leve 1, 26.5 for both them at level 10. Razor feathers does not have more range than tempest. Of course a level one skill is less powerful than a level 10 skill. But that's because of levelling, not because razor feathers is better and has more range. It doesn't either through range of attack or range to cast. If you're comparing a level 1 skill to a level 10 skill then yeah, but that doesn't make razor feathers better it just means you're not leveling your other skills. I guess you should note the range thing for people who are deficient on spirit but to tell people razor feathers is better because its got more range isn't true. It doesn't have more range. It has a smaller attack range, and if they are the same level casts from the exact same spot. Everyone levels different thing so its important to note what the skills do, not compare different skills they way you personally leveled them because thats more of a personal playstyle thing than anything to do with the skills themselves. Razor Feathers does less damage, gains no benefit from metal mastery, and has a smaller attack range which means that cleric is not going to hit all the mobs at once, once they've established aggro. This draws out the fight and makes it longer. It also gains no attack benefit to wood mobs. On the other hand, Razor feathers is more spammable as it doesn't cost chi, is much cheaper to level, and is maxxed out more quickly. Making it a very attractive option for low level clerics who want to aoe grind.

Here are the main points of a maxxed out Razor feathe and Tempest at level 1

Razor Feathers:.

Range: 26.5 meters

200% of weapon damage plus 2258.2 within 8.0 meter


Tempest:

Rang: 18.5 meters

220% of weapon damage plus 5343.8. within 8.4 meter radius
86% chance to cause a 6.2 second reduction in speed of 60%.

Which means that tempest is doing more damage, to more enemies and even allows for some degree of kiting. Its major drawback of course is that it costs 2 sparks, which you could use to boost razor feather's damage. It takes a long time to channel as well, much longer than razor feathers. So you might be better double sparking and casting razor feathers and siren's kiss. Especially at lower levels where you're better off levelling other things besides tempest. I'm not even sure what level you get cloud eruption to help with the chi. :P But to say razor feathers has better range and damage just isn't true. It has the same range at the same level, but tempest does way more damage and has a broader attack range.

magicsabre

At first level it is 18.4 m.

At tenth level it is increased to maximum - 26.5 m.

So, if Razor Feathers at level 68 has maximum level 10 and range (distance to target) 26.5 m, then Tempest has at same 68 level of Cleric 4th level and range 21.1 m

DPS at those 68 level of Cleric is almost same, even less for Tempest if we will include Double Spark that can be cast before Razor Feathers .

Edit: sorry, not saw all your post, you had described same as my now, even more about spammable Razor Feathers.

anotherwraith

i really wonder why there are so many BoP haters of us over here. let me point out that there are 2 reasonable way of using BoP:
1) to heal yourself after killing mob (i mean fight with a single target, no aoe grinding) - very low mana cost (much lower than IH or WS), and it heals quite enough hp. max BoP lvl for this purpose is 1-3
2) to heal other players who has a lot of hp and who currently aren't being attacked (for example - after they have been resurrected). need to lvling BoP up to 10, but it heals a lot of hp just per 1 cast.
sure, you can't use BoP as your common healing skill, but it's good skill for some purposes.
*sorry my bad english b:surrender*

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

anotherwraith wrote: »

i really wonder why there are so many BoP haters of us over here. let me point out that there are 2 reasonable way of using BoP:
1) to heal yourself after killing mob (i mean fight with a single target, no aoe grinding) - very low mana cost (much lower than IH or WS), and it heals quite enough hp. max BoP lvl for this purpose is 1-3
2) to heal other players who has a lot of hp and who currently aren't being attacked (for example - after they have been resurrected). need to lvling BoP up to 10, but it heals a lot of hp just per 1 cast.
sure, you can't use BoP as your common healing skill, but it's good skill for some purposes.
*sorry my bad english b:surrender*

Why use BoP when you have SoR. BoP is useless to me. BoP wont heal my cata barb from half hp to full hp, BoP doesnt add some heal over time like SoR. I use BoP to get my chi up thats it. I kept it at lvl 1 for a reason.

IH is superior, comparing BoP and IH is just silly. IH => BoP

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why use BoP when you have SoR. BoP is useless to me. BoP wont heal my cata barb from half hp to full hp, BoP doesnt add some heal over time like SoR. I use BoP to get my chi up thats it. I kept it at lvl 1 for a reason.

IH is superior, comparing BoP and IH is just silly. IH => BoP

I actually agree with him, if you're not getting attacked and won't be anytime soon BoP is fine. No point in a heal over time in that situation. TW is also a combat situation, so it would be useless there as well. But that is a pretty limited usefulness with no combat benefits, whereas SoR can do the same thing and be used during combat effectively. It's not worth the coins/spirit to level unless you're a completionist or just prefer BoP because it is far more mana efficient than SoR in that very particular situation and small situation. For me, since it has no combat benefits I wouldn't recommend levelling. That said, I did but that's because I am a completionist and will have all my skills sage/demon and have all the 100 skills too, even if they are useless. It would just personally bug me not to do so. But that's just pure personal satisfaction from completing my character, and has nothing to do with the quality of the heal.

Eoria - Harshlands

Noticed the caster Nirvy vid in your OP is from the P.O.V. of a psy. Here's mine from the P.O.V of a cleric. It is a rather OP squad though. :X

Here's a vid of tm89 Eden as well.

I could be convinced to make a proper cleric video guide for Lunar/TT 3-3 too...

anotherwraith

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you're not getting attacked and won't be anytime soon BoP is fine. No point in a heal over time in that situation.

^This. Looks like Mitachi even didn't read my post b:chuckle
BoP lvl 3 mana cost just 70 and it restores 175 HP + 12% of m.att. (~1200 HP for cleric lvl 80+) b:pleased
find a target > cyclone > plume shot > cyclone > target still has some hp and you got 300 dmg > plume shot > find new target or two and repeat > BoP > grab the drop and coins b:victory

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not worth the coins/spirit to level

LVL 1 to 10:
Spirit: 29 200 (89 600)
Coins: 38 400 (114 552)

b:shocked too much!! b:chuckle

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

anotherwraith wrote: »

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Yeah, too much. If you will never use it and gain no satisfaction from having all of your skills maxxed, then no matter how small the amount it's not worth it because for you it's literally worthless.

anotherwraith

well it's the guide for clerics, i guess for a newbie, right? how could you know that they will never use it or gain no satisfaction from it? oh i see, because this (and almost every other) guide says BoP is soooo bad.

Ahira - Lost City

There's nothing really wrong with bop apart from it being slow to cast so mostly everyone uses wellspring by default. I know a few ppl that have levelled it tho. b:chuckle

Personally I found leaving it at level 1 was preferable as its a good skill to use to build chi (15 chi for 10 mana)- i'd macro with IH and afk build chi without worrying about mp charm tick.

(Nice video Eoria b:thanks- I always find it weird looking at how other clerics have arranged their skill bars hehe)

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

anotherwraith wrote: »

i really wonder why there are so many BoP haters of us over here. let me point out that there are 2 reasonable way of using BoP:
1) to heal yourself after killing mob (i mean fight with a single target, no aoe grinding) - very low mana cost (much lower than IH or WS), and it heals quite enough hp. max BoP lvl for this purpose is 1-3
2) to heal other players who has a lot of hp and who currently aren't being attacked (for example - after they have been resurrected). need to lvling BoP up to 10, but it heals a lot of hp just per 1 cast.
sure, you can't use BoP as your common healing skill, but it's good skill for some purposes.
*sorry my bad english b:surrender*

I saw this, and I'm going to explain to you why I did put "Not Recommended" as a healing skill. Firstly, you are right. BOP DOES have its uses. The reason why it is not recommended because its uses aren't very practical in battle. After a battle, you can heal with any method that you want...BOP included. I'm not bashing the skill as a whole, or saying that it has no uses, but its not recommended for a few reasons. Those reasons are:

Low channeling time. (Even SOR wins in this department.)
Does not heal enough for the time that it takes.
Quickly outshined by all other heals.
Not enough spirit at lower levels.


Most people that hate when clerics use BoP normally do when they are running instances with them. Some clerics use it then, during a battle, and that will get the tank and/or DD's killed. I've seen clerics try to use BOP on Rankar, Wyvern, Fushma, Pyro, Gaurnob, Pole, and Eyes of the Krimson Beyond. Those are not practical times to use it, and the other heals have practical uses both in battle, and out of battle. That's why it tends to be bashed by a lot of people. I also don't recommend it because at lower levels, spirit is hard to come by.


When I first started this game, I will tell you that I leveled BoP to 4, hated IH, wielded dual swords for a period of time because I thought they looked cool. (Then figured out that I couldn't use any of my skills.), hated IH (Called it a crappy skill, and had NO IDEA that it could stack), hated wellspring (it's a weak heal...especially at level 1), did not know how to kite (This is the first mmorpg that I ever played), gave 15 dex to my cleric so that I could wield a light armor piece that I thought was an upgrade, and did not have the spirit to level all of my skills. I've since fixed all of those issues. My purpose for writing this guide was to help those who may have encountered the same difficulties, and more. Some clerics may do this same thing that I did, or something even different. Serenity was/is my first character in ANY MMORPG. Cleric was my first class. I think that's why tis cleric is more special then my alts are. I messed up with Serenity. She was the pixelated character that I used to pioneer this game. I want to help others before they make the same mistakes I did, or other mistakes. We're all going to mess up at some point, but sometimes what someone says can help them through it. No one likes to be called a noob, and I'll be real...if you use BoP in a squad, especially at mid to higher levels, you're going to be called a noob by many people. I've seen it happen. Use the other skills in battle. Use whatever you want out of battle. You can heal a random person with BB if you want. Its your character. Lol. I just don't recommend it because its uses in battle are limited, it takes to long and gives to little, its outshined by all other heals, and its not worth choosing them over skills serve to be more important at lower levels when spirit gain is rough.

As Venus said earlier for herself, I will say the same for myself, I am a completionist. My BoP is not level 4 anymore, or even level 10. I have level 11 sage BoP, and I use it sometimes for the very uses that you described. I also use for my chi macro which consists of BoP, and WS. Have I leveled it at this point, yes I have. Will I use it for purposes out of battle? Sure. Whatever I want to, but the guide isn't really aimed at skills during ones leisure. Heck, I randomly BB or RB just because I feel like it at times. When the server went down for maintenance last night, it ended with me BB'ing. I don't recommend wasting 2 sparks, and healing with such a major heal as BB, but it was during my leisure, so I did what I wanted. Lol. Please, feel free to use whatever you want during your leisure. Just try to avoid using bop during battle. It might heal, but its results will not be pleasing to the squad, and they will shout at you to use IH. You don't want that, so please understand what I mean when I say that its not recommended.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

anotherwraith wrote: »

well it's the guide for clerics, i guess for a newbie, right? how could you know that they will never use it or gain no satisfaction from it? oh i see, because this (and almost every other) guide says BoP is soooo bad.

Its the guide for clerics, yes. For exclusively newbies? No. Anyone can use it. Heck, I've learned a few things writing this, and getting information from other clerics myself. Some proof that its not newbie exclusive are that I covered several mid and high level instances...and what is expected from them. For example, Cenquess Polearm is fb69. You won't run that instance until then, and then even in level 80's, this instance will be a pain. I covered FC runs, which you won't do until 70's and onwards. I even have delta up here. You won't run that consistently until level 100+. The guide is not exclusively newbie. Its for anyone who thinks that they can use it. Please, feel free yo use BoP for out of battle purposes, but in battle, it loses its effectiveness. Also, its not coincidence that so many guides, forum posts, forum threads, talks in chat, etc., do not give BoP a lot of credit. There is a reason why we don't recommend it, and that's written in my above post. Please check it. You'll understand moreso why its not generally recommended.

Take care, and have a good time in game.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Noticed the caster Nirvy vid in your OP is from the P.O.V. of a psy. Here's mine from the P.O.V of a cleric. It is a rather OP squad though. :X

Here's a vid of tm89 Eden as well.

I could be convinced to make a proper cleric video guide for Lunar/TT 3-3 too...

If you did I would send lots of forum cookies your way. I'll even give you a techno flower! XD

Decus - Dreamweaver

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you did I would send lots of forum cookies your way. I'll even give you a techno flower! XD

In my day, we didn't have guides for those things! We just did it and died a bunch till we figured it out! (Shoveals in Lunar anyone?)

b:angry


I kid. It would be beneficial to do so

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

stuff

Sorry for shortening your post lol, but wanna make sure you saw my apothecary listb:cute

As for BoP maybe its good for you, but im a tw thinker/cleric so i guess this is the reason why i see no use for it, and for this sole reason i kept it at lvl 1 only to gain chi. Also im a perma cata cleric and healing a barb with boP is just lol, i usually use one soR and switch to ih instantly. Maybe for PvE situations its good, but not for PvP in my opinion.b:surrender

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sorry for shortening your post lol, but wanna make sure you saw my apothecary listb:cute

As for BoP maybe its good for you, but im a tw thinker/cleric so i guess this is the reason why i see no use for it, and for this sole reason i kept it at lvl 1 only to gain chi. Also im a perma cata cleric and healing a barb with boP is just lol, i usually use one soR and switch to ih instantly. Maybe for PvE situations its good, but not for PvP in my opinion.b:surrender

Its not good for PvE either. Just non-combat situations. So like maybe in-between aoe grinding when you're waiting for mobs to spawn. Or after a barb buffs you so you're the only one that needs healing. Or if you want to build up chi and have the time to continuously cast it. Maybe to one off heal a bm or seeker while you're running through a wined instance and thus shouldn't be running into too many mobs in pre-100 bhs. :P Like I said I did level it but only for the satisfaction of saying "I have all my skills at least level 10" since it's really not THAT expensive. Not because it's actually a quality heal. It is by far the worst heal period. But if you can't tell I do very much enjoy being honest, and saying things okay so its not totally worthless, its just not worth the cost.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Other than being a completionist, I see no value in leveling Purehearted past 1. It's like archers leveling Stormrage (or hell, even acquiring Stormrage) or serrated arrow...

You'd better only get level 11 when you have virtually every other skill learned...

Need to quickly heal yourself? WS Need to heal a tank for a big chunk? SoR

WS and IH both cost less mana and channel much faster than Blessings (even sage Blessings costs more mana than the aforementioned skills, even if they are all level 11, and that's with it's 25% mana cost reduction).

Otherwise, macro it with IH or WS for chi and that's it. All your other heals are superior in every way, shape, and form.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Other than being a completionist, I see no value in leveling Purehearted past 1. It's like archers leveling Stormrage (or hell, even acquiring Stormrage) or serrated arrow...

You'd better only get level 11 when you have virtually every other skill learned...

Need to quickly heal yourself? WS Need to heal a tank for a big chunk? SoR

WS and IH both cost less mana and channel much faster than Blessings (even sage Blessings costs more mana than the aforementioned skills, even if they are all level 11, and that's with it's 25% mana cost reduction).

Otherwise, macro it with IH or WS for chi and that's it. All your other heals are superior in every way, shape, and form.

Once again you said it better than I did....I bought sage for 50k and I will not actually learn it until I have acquired all other sage skills, all my level 100 skills, and have a better genie. Until then it's just not worth it.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

Hey all. I haven't forgotten to upgrade the guide. Sorry that I haven't as of yet. I've been with family, and I've also spent some time enjoying the game again after months of not playing. I am going to upgrade it soon. Thank you all for your patience. Your work and effort towards it will not be in vain.

Merry Christmas to you all, and have a wonderful holiday.

Fulcanelli - Raging Tide

bump of justice b:victory

please Serenity PM a mod to finally sticky this thread or I will start to spam the forums shouting how fail they are b:angryb:angry

b:laugh

Crystyl - Dreamweaver

Thanks for putting so much work into this guide. There's a wealth of information here. Now if we could only figure out how to get all the "non-clerics" to read it and GET IT!

Liiving - Sanctuary

Oh my gosh. You are fantastic for writing this. This is the MOST thorough, BEST cleric guide I have seen. I literally just spent like, 2 hours reading through this entire thing.

Only thing that has been bugging the **** out of me: you've spelled advice wrong every time. :P "Advise" is the verb.

But then again, maybe it's spelled differently in different places? Eh, i dunno.

You're still fantastic.

Aezwen - Archosaur

Great guide
But you were really too hard on the archers
They actually make great tanks on magic bosses
Pretty much any melle class with aoe skills (sorry sins) can tank

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

bump for justice

Decus - Dreamweaver

Vote for sticky status.