[Breaking News] Secret Passage Being Reverted

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When was the last time our negative feedback forced the devs to revert a change to this version of the game? Never.

You can thank the chinese players on the chinese servers that the devs are reverting SP back to its original state. PWI players in now way, shape or form had any impact on the decision. We never have and never will.

There was that TT timer increase, Duke shouts too. Though that keeps getting broken.

Lynneya - Sanctuary · September 2011

Really glad to see that this change has been made. Frankly I was stunned in the first place that such a thing would be considered and implemented.

I read the boards much more then I post on them and I've never seen any sign of the "masses" demanding more PvP against lower level players places on a PvE server.

I'm pleased to see the reversal of this ill concieved change happen, it does show that management is listening even if the most vocal posters aren't always the most succient.

Well done.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just when I thought PWI was gaining some of it's potential back, PWI community = killjoy. Nuff said. At least replace it with a PvP area instead, this is such **** as there's nothing now.

And the rules will be reverted too I suppose, still bannable in SP.

Another disappointment I see here, the game catering to early game content and heavy cash shopping rather than offer veterans end-game content.

^
Something finally arrives that has been missing for so long from this game, a 24 hour safe PvP instance, all the community can do is cry about safe pvp because it interferes with a handful of quests. </3 you noob Pkers too for ruining this for everyone else(although I never saw noob PK as badly exaggerated as what people claim was going on in these forums).

You can go kill ur Eido Shade with no pvp threat now, but have fun standing around with nothing to do for hours in a few levels.

Shadane - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Lucretius - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When you say extremely negative feedback, is that including the majority of the community of PWI? Or is it in relation to all these annoying whiners on the forums? I'm going to safely assume it's the latter. One may say in support of your statement, there is the reporting system via to the support staff that does take place, but ask yourself, how many of those are simply a rare and isolated incident? Rare and isolated incident blown out of proportion?

Let's consider a hypothetical situation for the sake of argument. Is there the possibility that a large portion of complaints and tickets are sent on the basis of a very few larger incidences? For example, on a happy Saturday afternoon, 10 people decide to take over SP, then a group of another 10 or 20 or however many people dive in for the enjoyment of PK to overrun those initial 10. Let's say they fail. So they go and send in a ticket then whine on the forums, sounds like a natural human reaction to me. Or let's say they gather a total of 50 people to overrun the initial 10 and succeed. However, in the process spectators and newer players become collateral damage. A fraction of the tickets and complaints on the forums can be attributed to collateral damage in the open PK area don't you think?

People can fly to reduce their death rate in SP. People can use the f9 function to spectate from safe zone in SP. People can use the illusion stone to teleport into the fb29 dungeon.

I'm going to make the next statement from pure suspicion and you people can debate it amongst your small community - small relative to the entire PWI community. A suspicion that a large number of individuals with the negative feedback are NOT even part of the PK environment in SP. They are simply looking for reasons to post on the forums, or complain about this and that, or simply for the thrill of the debate. Also, how often do all these people who are providing the negative feedback legitimately go into SP for a reasonable purpose. Tons right? Looking for trouble is really deemed legitimate? The percentage of people entering SP versus the percentage of people providing negative feedback is some absurd ratio, we all know this. Yet, we seek out a solution for the minority. Strange isn't it.

Besides the pricks who just want to kill everyone, there are such a large number of people who use this area to further develop and improve their abilities. The benefits definitely outweigh the costs by a long shot, when applied properly.

Sorry to break it to you, but there are a lot more pricks then there are people honing skills. I'd love to belive that everyone can be honorable with this, but I've seen first hand people who are just jerks, killing anyone even if all they want to do is go kill a boss or two in there. Oh, and then laughing at them. That's just bad sportsmanship all around.
Also, why do you call those who didn't like it in forums whiners? If they're unhappy, what else are they supposed to do? Aside from not saying anything, which won't fix the problem at all? Simply put, this is a PVE server. If you want to practice PVP, go have fun on a PVP server. Or wait for them to make a less important cave PVP. I dont mind a PVP instance, but one so low level was just asking people to be mean.
Sure there are those who whined about this for whining sake, but when you get such an overwhelmingly negative response to something, there's a problem. I don't mean to be critical, but I think you're kind of making a lot of assumptions here.

Pressa - Heavens Tear · September 2011

b:surrender Honestly people they have taken a bunch of things out of the game things they haven't taken out of the game because the yay sayers were higher then the neigh sayers were: anni packs, anything involving packs, and any refinement items those won't get taken out because a lot of people buy them despite what you might see or believe. Say you see 1 person buy an anni pack on any given server on every other server there is going to be at least one other person that does so. I think we are what up to 8 servers or more now? thats at least 8 bucks if they buy 10 each thats 80 bucks.............I'd keep them up just for that :P

But honestly bug fixes are slow processes, sure they could be fixed faster some could have been fixed at all but dammit all its their game to chose if they fix things or not.........plus you guys have to give a new addition to the game to settle down unless it breaks the game like the valentine clothes did they aren't going to do anything instantly

xD ah the valentine clothes that sold for a million coins each players got uber rich and 2 or 3 days after it was out they did a roll back on the server and banned all the little people who used the bug.

they do things you guys just have memories of gold fish

TheDan - Sanctuary · September 2011

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

^
Something finally arrives that has been missing for so long from this game, a 24 hour safe PvP instance, all the community can do is cry about safe pvp because it interferes with a handful of quests. </3 you noob Pkers too for ruining this for everyone else(although I never saw noob PK as badly exaggerated as what people claim was going on in these forums).

You can go kill ur Eido Shade with no pvp threat now, but have fun standing around with nothing to do for hours in a few levels.

If they would introduce another PvP instance to replace it, it would've been cool, but it seems like they have their priorities wrong, and show no motivation to retain the loyal customers / players. Players can power through even with normal game play to 50 in a day, but players playing for years get shafted.

mcfreakie · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

If they would introduce another PvP instance to replace it, it would've been cool, but it seems like they have their priorities wrong, and show no motivation to retain the loyal customers / players. Players can power through even with normal game play to 50 in a day, but players playing for years get shafted.

Lil dan... there is a fun place just for you called a PVP server. Go have fun! I will promise you none of us carebears will EVER say anything bad about you playing there. Promise!

Yamiino - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Sorry to say and sorry if I offend the devs or any gms, but Secret Passage as PVP arena? are you freaking nuts?! I can see a lot of new people quitting because of this thing, good its changing to what it was *soon*.

Thank God the CHINESE people QQed about it.

The best thing to do would be fixing the pvp arena :] - hope this feedback does something *guess not*.

TheDan - Sanctuary · September 2011

mcfreakie wrote: »

Lil dan... there is a fun place just for you called a PVP server. Go have fun! I will promise you none of us carebears will EVER say anything bad about you playing there. Promise!

I hope you're trolling, otherwise *epic facepalm.* It'd take me a year to get to where I am again, whereas it'd take 1 day for someone to get to 30 if they made a new server for carebears with 0 PvP in it, no dueling either.

Don't try to convince anyone that it's logical for a person who spends years to get where they were would easily through away their investments on a server for some people who have been playing the game for 1 day.

Sheshka - Raging Tide · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I hope you're trolling, otherwise *epic facepalm.* It'd take me a year to get to where I am again, whereas it'd take 1 day for someone to get to 30 if they made a new server for carebears with 0 PvP in it, no dueling either.

Don't try to convince anyone that it's worth it for a person who spends years to get where they were would easily through away their investments on a server for some people who have been playing the game for 1 day.

God forbid that you should be inconvenienced instead of the PVE community.

SilentGodai - Lost City · September 2011

Krisnda wrote: »

b:sad Ok, I see how it is... b:cry

Personally i would never kill people in dungeon but i love the idea of able to fly in dungeon cause its makes it so easy.

But Ty to all the mods including awesome krisnda and Gms

Hideori - Lost City · September 2011

yay, we dont have PvP arena anymore, cool b:surrenderb:sad

so what about rules? can we kill in SP anyway?

TevesRagen - Lost City · September 2011

The babies on carebear servers cry about a one small pvp area? If you can't handle that why dont you go play neopets?

TheDan - Sanctuary · September 2011

Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »

God forbid that you should be inconvenienced instead of the PVE community.

I'm part of the PVE community, and represent many of the frustrated people stuck on a PVE server with nothing to do after our gears are complete. You're naive if you think I'm the only one with this opinion, we're also part of the PVE community if you took your blinders off.

If you think the entire PVE community is a bunch of 3x who can't complete their quests, they should all go play hello kitty with the rest. What does a 3x player have to lose besides 3 seconds of their time by clicking the go to town button. Honestly, it takes 10 minutes to get to level 30 in the first place, whereas people seeking real content and PvP would need to reinvest thousands of hours to get back to where they were.

There's plenty of PVE players that enjoy risk-free PvP areas, removing it and offering nothing to compensate for another area is total horse ****.

Sheshka - Raging Tide · September 2011

TevesRagen - Lost City wrote: »

The babies on carebear servers cry about a one small pvp area? If you can't handle that why dont you go play neopets?

The people who play on PVE servers shouldn't have to deal with PK like that anyway.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

If they would introduce another PvP instance to replace it, it would've been cool, but it seems like they have their priorities wrong, and show no motivation to retain the loyal customers / players. Players can power through even with normal game play to 50 in a day, but players playing for years get shafted.

Agreed b:surrender

More than anything I am embarrassed of and for this community. I had said over and over to PLEASE try to use perspective when thinking about how much possible time in SP could be spent PKing for fun as opposed to doing quests that take one day.
All anyone could do was freak out and come at me with the same asinine rhetorics over and over.

No amount of reason will subdue this mentality they have taken up. And management simply caved to them. Now we, on PvE AND PvP servers alike, are going to lose the only 24 hour safe PvP instance we had, losing potential hours of fun, of practice, of just playing the game, and all the majority can say is: OH THANK GAWD now I can kill my Skelerancs INSIDE the SP instead of killing the ones outside for the 15 minutes it takes to do that quest.

Chadric - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Lucretius - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When you say extremely negative feedback, is that including the majority of the community of PWI? Or is it in relation to all these annoying whiners on the forums? I'm going to safely assume it's the latter. One may say in support of your statement, there is the reporting system via to the support staff that does take place, but ask yourself, how many of those are simply a rare and isolated incident? Rare and isolated incident blown out of proportion?

Let's consider a hypothetical situation for the sake of argument. Is there the possibility that a large portion of complaints and tickets are sent on the basis of a very few larger incidences? For example, on a happy Saturday afternoon, 10 people decide to take over SP, then a group of another 10 or 20 or however many people dive in for the enjoyment of PK to overrun those initial 10. Let's say they fail. So they go and send in a ticket then whine on the forums, sounds like a natural human reaction to me. Or let's say they gather a total of 50 people to overrun the initial 10 and succeed. However, in the process spectators and newer players become collateral damage. A fraction of the tickets and complaints on the forums can be attributed to collateral damage in the open PK area don't you think?

People can fly to reduce their death rate in SP. People can use the f9 function to spectate from safe zone in SP. People can use the illusion stone to teleport into the fb29 dungeon.

I'm going to make the next statement from pure suspicion and you people can debate it amongst your small community - small relative to the entire PWI community. A suspicion that a large number of individuals with the negative feedback are NOT even part of the PK environment in SP. They are simply looking for reasons to post on the forums, or complain about this and that, or simply for the thrill of the debate. Also, how often do all these people who are providing the negative feedback legitimately go into SP for a reasonable purpose. Tons right? Looking for trouble is really deemed legitimate? The percentage of people entering SP versus the percentage of people providing negative feedback is some absurd ratio, we all know this. Yet, we seek out a solution for the minority. Strange isn't it.

Besides the pricks who just want to kill everyone, there are such a large number of people who use this area to further develop and improve their abilities. The benefits definitely outweigh the costs by a long shot, when applied properly.

Surely my voice is of one and the distance in which it will travel in terms of practice and application is incredibly limited. All I'm asking is for people to use their heads and take a different perspective outside of what is in front of them (forums, tickets, etc.). You are all humans, generally speaking, you have the capability to think. Thinking involves the use of reason and the capacity to take things from an objective standpoint, or to be technical inter-subjective, that isn't so easy for everyone to do, but hey, gotta start somewhere

you didnt' read a damn thing in the other thread did you? b:surrender

As for the others now whining that they're puttign it back to normal and aww boo hoo, no more pvp for you... GO TO A PvP SERVER! the MAJORITY (yes majority since there's more PvE servers.. d'oh) dont' GIVE a rat's a$$ that you wanna gank low lvls cause you're lvl 105 and bored off your ****! Or gee here's a idea, bind your gear and go white name. heh...... brainiacs huh?

mcfreakie · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm part of the PVE community, and represent many of the frustrated people stuck on a PVE server with nothing to do after our gears are complete. You're naive if you think I'm the only one with this opinion, we're also part of the PVE community if you took your blinders off.

If you think the entire PVE community is a bunch of 3x who can't complete their quests, they should all go play hello kitty with the rest. What does a 3x player have to lose besides 3 seconds of their time by clicking the go to town button. Honestly, it takes 10 minutes to get to level 30 in the first place, whereas people seeking real content and PvP would need to reinvest thousands of hours to get back to where they were.

There's plenty of PVE players that enjoy risk-free PvP areas, removing it and offering nothing to compensate for another area is total horse ****.

We will let you go play hello kitty since you are the one who cant seem to understand YOU got places to go and IF it was such a big deal you WOULD go roll on a PVP server. Stop being a poosy whip and be a man on a pvp server.

Schznider - Dreamweaver · September 2011

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,

Due to the extremely negative feedback about the recent change to Secret Passage, the developers have agreed to revert it to its original state - the way that it was before the change.

From what I understand, the change is about to be implemented on the Chinese servers, and it will soon take place over here as well.

Thank you for all of your feedback on the matter

OMG THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU FRANKIE! THANK YOU DEVELOPERS!!! -histerical shout and jumps- I LOVE YOU ALL!b:dirty

Dralighte - Harshlands · September 2011

I loved this place

( I never pked any lowbies >.>)

seitori · September 2011

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,

Due to the extremely negative feedback about the recent change to Secret Passage, the developers have agreed to revert it to its original state - the way that it was before the change.

From what I understand, the change is about to be implemented on the Chinese servers, and it will soon take place over here as well.

Thank you for all of your feedback on the matter

LoLzZ did they tell you if the chinese players reacted like everyone was doing on PWi ??

Woud be interesting to here how they reacted to the SP change...b:chuckle

TheDan - Sanctuary · September 2011

mcfreakie wrote: »

We will let you go play hello kitty since you are the one who cant seem to understand YOU got places to go and IF it was such a big deal you WOULD go roll on a PVP server. Stop being a poosy whip and be a man on a pvp server.

I'm not the one that's afraid of PK, I'm just the one who doesn't think it's worth it to start over, there's a difference, little man.

Being a man on the internet isn't enough of an incentive to restart over 3 years of gaming. You on the other hand have no time investments to lose being a 3x for 1 day.

mcfreakie · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not the one that's afraid of PK, I'm just the one who doesn't think it's worth it to start over, there's a difference, little man.

Being a man on the internet isn't enough of an incentive to restart over 3 years of gaming. You on the other hand have nothing to lose being a 3x for 1 day.

I have no problem with PVP. I have played other games on PVP servers and did quite well. I made a CHOICE to play PVE on this game and do NOT see PK harassing low levels as real PVP. No matter how you or the other people wanna cry to try to convince us it is not harassment. No skill or uber gear needed for anyone over 90 to kill people under 70. So yes lil man... ball up and move or keep QQing but in either case we arent forcing you to do ANYTHING unlike what was happening to others in SP. Happy Hunting!

DaKillanator - Raging Tide · September 2011

Dear Players of PWI:

Feel free to be happy about this change if it's what you wanted.

However, do not think your feelings/complaints had anything to do with it. Don't thank the devs, thank the players of PW-China for their complaints b:cute

Sincerly,
PWI Staff

lolol jk I'm not pwi staff and they'd never be that straight forward

KageNoHana - Heavens Tear · September 2011

not to rain on any parades, burst any bubbles, or take a dump on somebody's spaghetti, but it sounds more like that the only reason SP is being "put back to how it was before" is because china is doing it.

not because we wanted it.

DarkPlaces - Harshlands · September 2011

Thanks PWE, this is good news!

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Another disappointment I see here, the game catering to early game content and heavy cash shopping rather than offer veterans end-game content.

Lol, endgame content is 1-shotting blue names? There is actually quite a lot of content for higher levels, but the difficulty level is higher than lurking in SP and killing lowbies.

TheDan - Sanctuary · September 2011

mcfreakie wrote: »

I have no problem with PVP. I have played other games on PVP servers and did quite well. I made a CHOICE to play PVE on this game and do NOT see PK harassing low levels as real PVP. No matter how you or the other people wanna cry to try to convince us it is not harassment. No skill or uber gear needed for anyone over 90 to kill people under 70. So yes lil man... ball up and move or keep QQing but in either case we arent forcing you to do ANYTHING unlike what was happening to others in SP. Happy Hunting!

Am I the one QQing? Or is it the lowbies who accumulated a 200 page thread about the most trivial content. ~10 mins.

I don't care about the instance being PvP disabled, never had a problem with that, the problem is nothing is replacing it for a PvP instance elsewhere.

DarkPlaces - Harshlands wrote: »

Thanks PWE, this is good news!

Lol, endgame content is 1-shotting blue names? There is actually quite a lot of content for higher levels, but the difficulty level is higher than lurking in SP and killing lowbies.

Did you even read my full post? Or are you another person with huge blinders on? I was talking about there being no replacement of a PvP arena elsewhere, I don't care about blue names. You shouldn't assume everyone who likes PvP areas are noob harassers, that's very close minded of you.

VenoMKII - Harshlands · September 2011

***..

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Am I the one QQing? Or is it the lowbies who accumulated a 200 page thread about the most trivial content. ~10 mins.

I don't care about the instance being PvP disabled, never had a problem with that, the problem is nothing is replacing it for a PvP instance elsewhere.

Did we see anywhere that it will never be replaced? IIRC, Frankie can't discuss plans in the idea stage, he did however ask for ideas on where to move a pvp enabled area in this weeks maintenance thread. Let's hope that it's a hint of where the devs minds are currently at.

KageNoHana - Heavens Tear · September 2011

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

***..

oh! oh! i wanna play 'guess the obscenity'!

lets see, 3 asterisks....hmmm....

[Breaking News] Secret Passage Being Reverted

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